Dothan vs San Deigo!!! Title Bout!!

What do you think is going on here? First of all let me tell you the San Diego system was set up to be the ultimate fast computer for my home, but some strange situations are presenting themself. Let me first tell you each system is built and running perfectly as far as I can tell. (I am not a newbie) :p: The Dothan system does not get as high in 3d01 as I hoped but I assume this about what it should get. It gets about 27k and the San Diego system gets about 32k in 3d01.
Now the story. The feeling in games is immensely different. I have installed virtually every new game out right now on both rigs and the Dothan never lags ever like it is caching textures or really for any reason. The only game I can get it to stumble ever in is FEAR, and that is only at one tiny spot in the demo. Keep in mind that everything in the Dothan system is supposably a slower performer than the SD system. It is a Evga 6800gt that runs pretty well, but most of the time I just leave it at stock clocks because of the heat in the case. I installed Far Cry on the Dothan system last night and I could not believe the performance. I am running 1680x1050 with all of the settings at Ultra and AA at 8 and AS at 6. Quality is set to high on the video card. NO problems at all! My SD system runs @ 1280x720 runs those same quality settings, but it lags at the beginning a little when loading textures and really lags in Fear. No I am not hallucinating. I ran them back to back. My SD system runs it memory @ 247 2.5,4,4,8 and even then @ almost 7000 mb bandwidth, I get these little stops. I have an x800xt in the SD system. Any of these games should not even come close to being a problem. Now on the Dothan system I am running my memory @ 215 and @ 2,3,3,6. Bandwidth is around 4500. What the heck is going on? Does that tiny difference in latency make that big of difference? It can't be the HDDs. The SD system is in raid 0 and performs very nice. I can tell it takes a tad longer loading games on the Dothan system. In windows, they perform about the same with the very slight nod going to the A64. Final stick in the side. The Dothan runs at 2.58 and the SD @ 2.71 p95 stable. Which do you think would game better? :slapass: :slapass:

what about testing with a 6800gt pciex on the SD rig?

what about getting a asus p4gd1 mobo? :)
afaik dothan @ 2.5-2.6 got 32-33k with stock x800xt..

I am going to try the x800xt in the Dothan system tonight. All of this so far has been with the 6800gt in it. Both rigs are AGP....

the dothan 730 i played with was the fastest chip i've ever had, hands down. 3.0ghz

Well the Dothan is obviously the better processor, but this still does not make sense. The benchmarks show the dothan system slower. Should it not result in better performance in games for the San Diego? The stuttering only happens at the beginning when loading textures. Is this memory issue? DO I need to adjust my page file settings?

yes in original is a dothan not faster... but @ even mhz it will slap a a64 in his face!

Stupid question: they're both running clean installs of Windows, right?

It seems to me that a Dothan at nearly 2.6GHz SHOULD be beating a San Diego at 2.71GHz. Remember seeing benchmarks with it against FX-55s?

27k for a stock 6800GT in 3d01 is a great score. 6800s suck at 3d01 while X800s eat it alive.

Yes, yes I know, but you are all evading the question, why in games it seems slower, but in benchmarks the SD is faster?

Then show us the benchmarks ;)

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Originally Posted by zxlr8

Yes, yes I know, but you are all evading the question, why in games it seems slower, but in benchmarks the SD is faster?

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You're misquoting yourself. That isn't the question you asked.

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Originally Posted by zxlr8

Which do you think would game better?

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You must understand that games and benchmarks are two very different things. Games are more of a real-world test of performance, while benchmarks are artificial and more or less non-variable for each test.

You're asking why your car seems different on the race track than when you drive it back and forth to work.

To get the 27k in 3d01 for the Dothan, the 6800gt is overclocked. Same with the SD system. I have seen this stuttering in games before and some people say more memory will solve the problem. Why would a slower system in benchmarks and fps in games, perform better when it comes to stuttering at the beginning of a game. I think this is a simple problem with the memory or page file on my San Diego system. I understand the race track analogy, but the overall feell from the Dothan system is just a lot crisper in games. The funny thing is, it is still using old technology. I can post some benchmarks, but I am not sure how that would help.

I have gotten better since, but here is the sd benchie....
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8598889

and a bench from a similar Dothan system to mine....
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8676295

His is a lot higher, but with a lot more tweaks and better cooling.

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Originally Posted by zxlr8

To get the 27k in 3d01 for the Dothan, the 6800gt is overclocked. Same with the SD system. I have seen this stuttering in games before and some people say more memory will solve the problem. Why would a slower system in benchmarks and fps in games, perform better when it comes to stuttering at the beginning of a game. I think this is a simple problem with the memory or page file on my San Diego system. I understand the race track analogy, but the overall feell from the Dothan system is just a lot crisper in games. The funny thing is, it is still using old technology. I can post some benchmarks, but I am not sure how that would help.

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Alot of it has to do with the 2m l2 9ns cache the dothan has. That really helps out :)


Critical.Arrow

what memory in the A64 rig put in ome UTT at cas 1.5 and the other best timmings for your mobo and chip...do that and you will have NO game lags lat in game makes a HUGE diff...

Dragon

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Originally Posted by FireDragon

what memory in the A64 rig put in ome UTT at cas 1.5 and the other best timmings for your mobo and chip...do that and you will have NO game lags lat in game makes a HUGE diff...

Dragon

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That is the answer I was looking for. I would think 2 gb of memory is not the answer unless you were playing the hog POS BF2. That game is such a piece of sh-- programming garbage. Why in the world would you need to 2 gb to run a game that looks worse than Half life 1 source..... :stick: :stick: I saw 999 mb being used when playing it!!!

So I will put the 2 latency memory in the SD system tonight to test out your theory....

here is my dothan at 2.55ghz 255X10 2 3 3 6 with the ati aiwx800xt
32326

if you use eist and clockgen with good memory, the dothan will eat up the fsb. you can clock 100mhz higher then i do, so that should get you to around 33k+ easy.... 265x10 should do the trick, with as low as you can get on the timmings. the dothan reacts to the timmings alot similar to the a64.

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What kind of memory do you have and what were the settings for that run?

this is a dothan at 2792 279x10 1:1 1gb 2.5-4-4-8

with X800XTPE def

it's a bit high then SD

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Originally Posted by Dragonx21

this is a dothan at 2792 279x10 1:1 1gb 2.5-4-4-8

with X800XTPE def

it's a bit high then SD

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Best SPi 1m?

Dothan @ 210*12 2,2,2,5 stock X800XT PE gets 31.3k on a crappy un-optimised install...
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8636963
Eats alive a mates overclocked A64 system, both cpu and gfx overclocked to unstalbe speeds he can just make 32k... These things pwn for gaming :D Can't wait for 6800LE/ X800pro @ XTPE to arrive this week :D

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You guys just makimg me think of going Dothan :) Which I think I`ll do, cos of games performance.

Well you should. I am thinking of selling my A64 system for another Dothan system....
Should I? Trade new for old?