Hot hot hot! The new CPU AMD can be unlocked to 4 core!

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05-28-2009, 10:14 AM
leonarderman

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05-28-2009, 10:15 AM
perkam

This a dual core for $120 being unlocked to Quad Core? 0_o

Please tell me this is a joke.

Perkam
05-28-2009, 10:18 AM
geo

^^ according to Fud its $100
05-28-2009, 10:19 AM
Zaskar

Was any stability tests ran though? the locked cores might of been untested or just defective. Cool either way though.
05-28-2009, 10:28 AM
G.Foyle

It takes the crown of cheapest quad-core on the market from X3 720 BE :D
05-28-2009, 10:28 AM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Was any stability tests ran though? the locked cores might of been untested or just defective. Cool either way though.

:up:

And I thought the tri-core unlocking was cool!
05-28-2009, 10:30 AM
haschioz

how can amd make a quadcore for 100 dollars. this is just stupid.
nevertheless its cool.:cool:
05-28-2009, 10:35 AM
informal

Oh my oh my :D. i5 what? :D

If ACC can unlock Callisto to 4 cores and it happens to be 4 stable cores(in majority of cases),then new Phenom II X2 will become THE CPU of choice for enthusiasts given the great performance,4 cores for the price of 2,extremely low price and no cold bug! Awesome value.:up:
05-28-2009, 10:38 AM
Easybeat

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Originally Posted by haschioz

how can amd make a quadcore for 100 dollars. this is just stupid.
nevertheless its cool.:cool:

They can't that is why they continually lose money.
05-28-2009, 10:54 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by Easybeat

They can't that is why they continually lose money.

Nope,the 2 cores did not meet the frequency or TDP targets so they "turned them off" and launched a dual core. Usually this happens when the wafer that was meant to be "tuned" for high performance yields a number of dice that fail to meet the targeted specifications.There is also a "tune for low power" option that AMD uses for EE Opterons and Phenoms with "e" letter in product model number.

Anyhow,no matter what it is(DC,Tri or QC) amd does make money on every Deneb die they sell.The cost is roughly 50$ (total) per chip,so you can see they do not lose money because they sell it with a loss.They lose money because their server sales slowed down last 2 quarters(nehalem and economic crisis) and they pay off the credit they took to buy ati.
05-28-2009, 10:56 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by haschioz

how can amd make a quadcore for 100 dollars. this is just stupid.
nevertheless its cool.:cool:

If a CPU doesn't follow up to AMDs standards its being derived to a Tri/quad-core.

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Originally Posted by Easybeat

They can't that is why they continually lose money.

Go find a clue.

OT: This is pure sex, absolutelly something i'll test!
05-28-2009, 10:57 AM
spursindonesia

Losing money or not, they might get MY money soon enough, since Intel decide not to ever decrease the price of Q9650 and no other 45 nm Core2 Quad with 9x multi is available and affordable from them.
05-28-2009, 11:03 AM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by informal

Anyhow,no matter what it is(DC,Tri or QC) amd does make money on every Deneb die they sell.The cost is roughly 50$ (total) per chip,so you can see they do not lose money because they sell it with a loss.

Where are you getting your $50 cost figure from? I hope you are not making this figure up.

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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

If a CPU doesn't follow up to AMDs standards its being derived to a Tri/quad-core.

If they don't have a separate mask for Duals, and when one takes into account Duals currenty sell in far greater number than quads, then AMD's yield of Quads must be pitiful or they have been forced into using perfectly good quads as low ASP duals.

Either was it doesn't bode well for them.

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Go find a clue.

If you weren't such a committed AMD fan, Informal the hypocrite would be highlighting this post, but you are safe.
05-28-2009, 11:05 AM
Caveman787

Seems kinda like a good publicity stunt following how their tri core unlocking helped boost their sales.

It's a good idea if it works but I also heard of issues with not only stability but unlocking the extra core burning out the chip with x3 to x4. Therefore this seems even more dangerous with x2. But if it works yay.

Besides saving the parts that don't meet quad or tri core standards and selling them seperately whether than just throwing them out is a wonderfully smart business decision in my mind.
05-28-2009, 11:11 AM
Etihtsarom

Hm. MY question is: Do I spend $ on this and an AMD board? Do I just upgrade to Intel Quad using my current 775 board?
05-28-2009, 11:15 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by informal

Nope,the 2 cores did not meet the frequency or TDP targets so they "turned them off" and launched a dual core. Usually this happens when the wafer that was meant to be "tuned" for high performance yields a number of dice that fail to meet the targeted specifications.There is also a "tune for low power" option that AMD uses for EE Opterons and Phenoms with "e" letter in product model number.

Anyhow,no matter what it is(DC,Tri or QC) amd does make money on every Deneb die they sell.The cost is roughly 50$ (total) per chip,so you can see they do not lose money because they sell it with a loss.They lose money because their server sales slowed down last 2 quarters(nehalem and economic crisis) and they pay off the credit they took to buy ati.

You forgot the chance of faulty cores that are unstable at any frequency.
05-28-2009, 11:19 AM
alfaunits

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Originally Posted by informal

Nope,the 2 cores did not meet the frequency or TDP targets so they "turned them off" and launched a dual core.

This is BS (as an idea I mean). It would be better of being sold as 150W QC than a DC of any kind.

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Anyhow,no matter what it is(DC,Tri or QC) amd does make money on every Deneb die they sell.The cost is roughly 50$ (total) per chip

I hope you're wrong, at that price, after retail margins, transport and VAT, they'd be left with no cash per chip, rather a loss.

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so you can see they do not lose money because they sell it with a loss.

LOL badly put man :D "One does not loose money because he sells at a loss" ;) (ye ye we all know what you meant)
05-28-2009, 11:23 AM
LinusTech

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Originally Posted by alfaunits

This is BS (as an idea I mean). It would be better of being sold as 150W QC than a DC of any kind.

BZZZZZT! Wrong.

It would be utter chaos if AMD/Intel just decided to change TDPs on their chips willy-nilly.

Imagine HP's reaction when 1/4 of their quad core desktops using an OEM cooling solution that was specced for 125W TDP start coming back with overheating issues or blown PWM...

In fact, one of the most LIKELY reasons for the cores to be turned off is an inability for that chip to meet the desired clock speed target in the desired power envelope.
05-28-2009, 11:29 AM
Easybeat

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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

If a CPU doesn't follow up to AMDs standards its being derived to a Tri/quad-core.

Go find a clue.

OT: This is pure sex, absolutelly something i'll test!

Nice attitude.

Rather than a flippant comment then I would like you to tell me how AMD are going to make money on selling a quad core as a dual core. Anyway you cut it they are losing money on this chip, selling this as a dual simply makes them a smaller loss.
05-28-2009, 11:33 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Where are you getting your $50 cost figure from? I hope you are not making this figure up.

Your hope has nothing to do with it.It's an "insider" info I got back in the day of 65nm wafers.The picture hasn't changed much,if at all,on 45nm node(it can only be cheaper).

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

If you weren't such a committed AMD fan, Informal the hypocrite would be highlighting this post, but you are safe.

I see you are going strong on your bitter road there ... One more to add to the list of personal attacks made by C.Boga.

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Originally Posted by Easybeat

Nice attitude.

Rather than a flippant comment then I would like you to tell me how AMD are going to make money on selling a quad core as a dual core. Anyway you cut it they are losing money on this chip, selling this as a dual simply makes them a smaller loss.

Read my previous post to see why AMD is not losing money on this chip.

@alfaunits

You didn't understand one important bit when it comes to "tuned for performance".If a die fails to meet the targets and was made on the wafer with before mentioned optimization,it will fail either as high TDP part or a low EE part.AMD does have certain TDP segments and it can't go beyond them due to design constraints on the motherboard level.
And sorry i put it badly at the end,I see you get what I wanted to say :).

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Originally Posted by RagzaroK

Hm. MY question is: Do I spend $ on this and an AMD board? Do I just upgrade to Intel Quad using my current 775 board?

You upgrade to a better CPU in your existing s775 board,an easy solution ;).
05-28-2009, 11:35 AM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by informal

Your hope has nothing to do with it.It's an "insider" info I got back in the day of 65nm wafers.

Oh that is real credible considering your posting history. :ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:
05-28-2009, 11:35 AM
G0ldBr1ck

This was kind of expected, no real surprise. Now if somone could mod a bios so we can sellect the cores we want, the odds of making a good tripple core would be great.
05-28-2009, 11:40 AM
Zeus

Holy smoke! Worth a try for such little money! To the OP, what CPU is it exactly?
05-28-2009, 11:43 AM
trueg50

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Was any stability tests ran though? the locked cores might of been untested or just defective. Cool either way though.

Yea, exactly.

If the chip is so bad that 2 cores are faulty/not up to spec, wouldn't the chances of it being exceedingly unstable with +2 cores be quite high?
05-28-2009, 11:43 AM
leonarderman

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Holy smoke! Worth a try for such little money! To the OP, what CPU is it exactly?

I think you knew this CPU! :D

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