Feedback needed from everyone here PLEASE!

Since i've moved back to the Atlanta area, I haven't been able to find any work. This has been for 8 months now. I just got back my tax return, and was HOPING to have this little amount of money start a little, yet "successful" business, however this won't happen without EVERYONES FEEDBACK, so please continue to read this:

I have been dealing w/ building computers for 10+ years (like most of us here have) I have been pondering an idea of making / producing external W/Cing solutions much like the Koolance Exos units, but ones that perform exceptionally well w/ high OC's My units will all feature pumps, radiators, tubing, blocks (which might be optional) that are well known, and perform extremely well!

I am undecided about the case to house this all into, but am working REALLY hard trying to find something that is aesthetically pleasing, yet not to overly big. I would like to make it out of aluminum, but metal / plexiglass is possible as-well.

I would like feedback from everyone here if this is something you would be interested in, and or would be interested in purchasing? My target prices should fall into the 275-350 range if all goes right. Any tips or case ideas would be MUCH appreciated And if all works out perfectly (which I REALLY HOPE) my customer service will always be TOP NOTCH as im a very personable type of guy!

Thank you for spending the time to read this

Seth

so you want to build custom WC setups? sounds like a plan:)

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Originally Posted by Nooc

so you want to build custom WC setups? sounds like a plan:)

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Thank you:) . Just having a REALLY hard time finding the right case, and or building it. I bought a metal break, but cant bend it just right, and am getting really upset cause I really want to make a really nice looking case, but it isn't easy.

The case, maybe something like a Vapochill case be nice!

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Originally Posted by Pete

The case, maybe something like a Vapochill case be nice!

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It could be, but I find that rather "bulky" and really to big for what it needs to be. I can keep costs down considerably if I can just find the right case, or build it right....

CM stacker is super easy to setup for OC, might be a little expensive for you?:confused:

PS check out Raidmax Katana series cases

It'll all come down to a rad, pump, res, whats used/offer then to house around it! Get that sorted, then do some layouts on paper and draw round them then draw a box around them.

Hope it works out for you dude. I just started to make my own MTB frames. 2 protos out being beatne now and all is looking good

I really think you need to think about this a bit more. Most people here don't buy pre-configured water cooled systems and those that do end up building their own eventually anyways.

I don't know, maybe it's just me and I don't want to burst your bubble, but I have virtually no interest in pre-configured external setups. And I think that most here would agree. Now maybe if you put together setups like Petra does and offer his level of support but then of course you'd be competing against Petra and that would be tough.

It comes down to the design really, a rad is probably straightforward and pump too, if you're not stupid. If you're making a housing then a res should be no problem either. But a problem with these things is that they're sorta, well non-versatile, and the user has less flexibility to adapt the stuff to their own use. I think an attractive case design with some kind of digital controller that tells you the temperature of the water, air, and tells you the pump speed as well as voltage, fan voltage, and pressure maybe would be really cool, squeeze it all on an LCD. Of course that would be pretty hard to do.

Maybe, but Petra is constantly bombarded with PMs and half of the stuff is out of stock in his online shop...

I'd say if I were to look for a custom wc setup, I would choose the guy who is just starting and has everything in stock and ready to go (you).

Come out and show people your work, if people will admire you, they will want to buy your setups. I've never heard of Vadim computers until of late, but once I saw their custom WC systems, I was sold.

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Maybe, but Petra is constantly bombarded with PMs and half of the stuff is out of stock in his online shop...

I'd say if I were to look for a custom wc setup, I would choose the guy who is just starting and has everything in stock and ready to go (you).

Come out and show people your work, if people will admire you, they will want to buy your setups. I've never heard of Vadim computers until of late, but once I saw their custom WC systems, I was sold.

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Thanks bud. Tomorrow im going to start another case design and see how it goes. This is obviously going to take some time, but i'll make it work:cool: goiing to make dinner now, i'll talk to you all later.........

I've actually gotten a few pm's on forums here and there from random people asking for my opinion on basically the same thing you're trying to do. So it sounds like a lot of people are trying to do the same thing. What you've said so far sounds like you're willing to go a lot more in depth though, which is a good thing.

Something I've been thinking about myself is how to design a case such that space is extremely efficiently used, while at the same time, no one component blocks access to another. For instance, in my current setup (using a free ultra wizard), I've got the radiator fitted nicely at the top of the case. However, to remove the motherboard, I need to remove the rear fan, psu, and radiator. When I had my ds3, I was able to finesse it out by using a dremel to make a notch in the lower inner lip of the case. To remove the psu, I need to drop the rad, and remove a fan. Everything is a real pain, but I can't see any better way to do it in my current case.

That's why I need choosing / making a good case design is so important. It's kind of like buying a poorly designed car, where changing the alternator will end up costing a grand in labor alone, because of all the work involved.

I wish you the best of luck.

An idea I've been having is to have the main side case panel actually be two pieces instead of just one. That way, you could have a lower or upper compartment with just a radiator on there, and it wouldn't get in the way of things. Hell, I've even thought about using a push-button controlled latch, and pneumatics to open the panel and support it open.

Good luck and keep us updated!

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Originally Posted by ziddey

I've actually gotten a few pm's on forums here and there from random people asking for my opinion on basically the same thing you're trying to do. So it sounds like a lot of people are trying to do the same thing. What you've said so far sounds like you're willing to go a lot more in depth though, which is a good thing.

Something I've been thinking about myself is how to design a case such that space is extremely efficiently used, while at the same time, no one component blocks access to another. For instance, in my current setup (using a free ultra wizard), I've got the radiator fitted nicely at the top of the case. However, to remove the motherboard, I need to remove the rear fan, psu, and radiator. When I had my ds3, I was able to finesse it out by using a dremel to make a notch in the lower inner lip of the case. To remove the psu, I need to drop the rad, and remove a fan. Everything is a real pain, but I can't see any better way to do it in my current case.

That's why I need choosing / making a good case design is so important. It's kind of like buying a poorly designed car, where changing the alternator will end up costing a grand in labor alone, because of all the work involved.

I wish you the best of luck.

An idea I've been having is to have the main side case panel actually be two pieces instead of just one. That way, you could have a lower or upper compartment with just a radiator on there, and it wouldn't get in the way of things. Hell, I've even thought about using a push-button controlled latch, and pneumatics to open the panel and support it open.

Good luck and keep us updated!

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You got it;)

I can see something like ddc2+ pump, double rad and a nice controller fit inside an aluminum box. if you can make it as compact and as good-looking as Exos 2 (performing MUCH better of course), I can imagine a lot of people showing interest in it, especially those who are too lazy to learn about the whole deal and just want a simple straightforward kit. it shouldn't be that hard...

I'm not convinced this will ever fly.
Personally, this is a hobby. As such, buying a kit would take all the fun out of it. I mean how do you justify a simple CPU block when there can be no agreement on this forum as to how the FuZion compares to the GT. If there is no standard, how do you measure the alternatives available in a kit. Just not sure of the value add you would bring to the table. If you provide multiple blocks in your kit, why would'nt I want to buy them from the manufacturer at likely a lesser cost ???

Then again, I've been wrong many times and just may need to chalk this up to ignorance.

Best of luck.

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I'm not convinced this will ever fly.
Personally, this is a hobby. As such, buying a kit would take all the fun out of it. I mean how do you justify a simple CPU block when there can be no agreement on this forum as to how the FuZion compares to the GT. If there is no standard, how do you measure the alternatives available in a kit. Just not sure of the value add you would bring to the table. If you provide multiple blocks in your kit, why would'nt I want to buy them from the manufacturer at likely a lesser cost ???

Then again, I've been wrong many times and just may need to chalk this up to ignorance.

Best of luck.

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There are still rich little teenagers who want the coolest (no pun intended) of things, and they'd be probably the biggest target audience. However, the problem with this is that they'll usually go for the more name brand assemblies, and as of such, most of them end up with a koolance or something and suffer poor performance, but yet could care less because they've got the coolness and can't be bothered to actually learn how to make it better (or actually want to make it better).

Hmmmmm. Rich Teenagers.
Being a father of one of those, I think I can understand.

I guess it's possible that teenagers are making buying decisions in some households, this just isn't one of them. She gets what I hand down.

Are you saying teenagers are dictating buying preferences? I know this to be the case with regard to cell phones, iPOD's but her computer is just what I give her. As a matter of fact, she seems grateful to have her own computer with DSL connectivity.

Just can't see her having water cooling requests, but maybe that is a guy thing to meet our overclocking requirements. Hmm. requests.

The problem is that with such a small niche, you'd need to go national. This would then get complicated if anything got damaged in shipping. Anyone in the market for a prebuilt watercooling setup is probably going to go with koolance.

You're much better off doing computer service and repair. It's pretty lucrative as long as geek squad continues to charge like 180$ to install an IDE cable. Just post attractive looking fliers on busy streets and in outdoor malls and maybe do a little local advertising to get started. Then you can rely on word of mouth to continue your success. Just make sure you're competent, cheap, and a nice person. Also, you may want to consider getting A+ certified or some other BS certification to make things look more professional. Creating a website would help as well. One of the main things you have to overcome is the blandness of most "mom and pop" computer repair/service companies. You're working with technology, so make it look like so. Wear a stylish uniform, use catchy advertising, and if you build computers use sleek cases.

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Hmmmmm. Rich Teenagers.
Being a father of one of those, I think I can understand.

I guess it's possible that teenagers are making buying decisions in some households, this just isn't one of them. She gets what I hand down.

Are you saying teenagers are dictating buying preferences? I know this to be the case with regard to cell phones, iPOD's but her computer is just what I give her. As a matter of fact, she seems grateful to have her own computer with DSL connectivity.

Just can't see her having water cooling requests, but maybe that is a guy thing to meet our overclocking requirements. Hmm. requests.

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I can't speak from the parenting front, but speaking from some people that I know of (probably a little older than your daughter), there are people... For instance, my friend's roommate picked up a large flat screen tv (40" lcd) to one up my friend's 42" plasma, matched up to his 5.1 sound system (why the hell do you need 2 5.1 systems in a triple dorm??), and so on and so forth. Kind of sickening.

Actually rich people don't necessarily treat kids like that. It depends on ethnicity and the parents themselves.
Okay look, theres this kid whos adopted by a super rich guy, and he has a 7000 dollar alienware computer (fx62, 7950gx2 sli), with that stupid koolance liquid cooling ('alien ice') and he's got a 30 inch screen for it. He's got his own 40" tv, a ps3, and his dad has a 72" tv... All in a nice big mansion...

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Actually rich people don't necessarily treat kids like that. It depends on ethnicity and the parents themselves.
Okay look, theres this kid whos adopted by a super rich guy, and he has a 7000 dollar alienware computer (fx62, 7950gx2 sli), with that stupid koolance liquid cooling ('alien ice') and he's got a 30 inch screen for it. He's got his own 40" tv, a ps3, and his dad has a 72" tv... All in a nice big mansion...

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So life is good in your house ??? To bad dad won't share the 72".
j/k I actually like the levity/sanity you bring to these forums.

Man I hear that. And it's even more disturbing to hear that from you, since we're now talking about 13 year olds with that kind of stuff. That's even more gruesome than seeing it from college kids

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So life is good in your house ??? To bad dad won't share the 72".
j/k I actually like the levity/sanity you bring to these forums.

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Why thanks for the complement, they are quite rare...

Don't know if this might help you out, came across it the other day.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/...ase/index.html

Good luck to ya m8.

Coming from a person that owns his own th your ownbusiness knows how hard it is to make a mark. If you decide to go withng with your own rather thenyou own WC system i suggest going on your own rather then selling someone else's. The thing with this is you will need to do a crap load of R&D. Im in the car performance business and it took me 3 yrs to R&D my own turbo kit. In the end your not kicking a ton load of money to a vendor who isnt giving you much of a discount over retail unless your buying in lots of a 1,000. Im not familar with the PC business end but i do know about business period as ive been doing this for 16 yrs. Ive seen guys start a business in their house and they're now one of the leaders in their field


Just a thought........

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