Exclusive : Tagan 1100

Hello ladies & gentlemen..:D

Let's take it from the start..

Everything started from this german company www.tagan.com ..:D

Two new models developed :

Tagan 1100Watt or else TG1100 - U95 Turbojet :

• Compatible with Intel EPS12V Ver.2.9 and downwards
• Universal motherboard support due to 20+4 pin main power as well as 4-pin & 8-pin +12V power connectors for 20, 20+4, 24+4, and 24+8 configurations
• Four 6-pin PCI Express connectors with REMI technology reduce EMI and support multible graphic cards
• Combo-S2M (SATA to IDE) connectors empowering all types of hard drives
• Universal AC input range for all countries: 110~240VAC
• 36 months warranty

there is also an 900W model:

Tagan 900W Turbojet or else TG900 - U95 Turbojet

• Compatible with Intel EPS12V Ver.2.9 and downwards
• Universal motherboard support due to 20+4 pin main power as well as 4-pin & 8-pin +12V power connectors for 20, 20+4, 24+4, and 24+8 configurations
• Four 6-pin PCI Express connectors with REMI technology reduce EMI and support multible graphic cards
• Combo-S2M (SATA to IDE) connectors empowering all types of hard drives
• Universal AC input range for all countries: 110~240VAC
• 36 months warranty

Let's begin with some photos from the case of the PSU :
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/c18961ef.jpg



Leather case :

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/90b89cbb.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...CASE_FRONT.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...E_OVERVIEW.jpg


Doors @ Opened

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/a9b55a1a.jpg

4 X 12V rails @ 20A each..

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/83fa77e0.jpg


2 x 8cm fans are settled on the front and the rear of the PSU..:D

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/7da06de1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/c0b49884.jpg

And last of all the rails :

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/b5ce2fba.jpg

Looking to the specs...the PSU seems quiet...:D

After monday it will be tetsed with high load and i will post the results..:D

:D

MONDAY??? WHAT. TEST NOW :D

Any news about price? I find the PC & P cooling VERY expensiv :(

Looks nice but the package is overkill it will just add to the cost...you won't need to carry a PSU anywhere lol.

Other than the suitcase it looks really promishing.

^^ I was thinking the same thing...why not test now?

400 euros

630 bucknicks in Sweden :x

If it wasn't so expensive I would have wanted one for sure.

-k0nsl

Why buy that one when you can have the PC & P cooling with an effeciancy pg 79 % at 970 Watt :)

Doesn't this run at 1100W all the time? if so this will increase electricity bills :(

Damn, they only had a few for Europe ... pretty lucky you got your hands on one :). Could you please take a few pics of the internals ? Any clue on who makes the electronics for these ? I'm guessing it's a new Topower design ... U25 / U35 / U95 all use two chopper tranformers BTW.

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Why buy that one when you can have the PC & P cooling with an effeciancy pg 79 % at 970 Watt

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because this may have the same efficiency at 1kw+?

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Doesn't this run at 1100W all the time? if so this will increase electricity bills

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NO.

This psu looks similar to the Mushkin Enhanced 650W, which is also got 4x12 20a rails. But then they say the 12+12 are 44amps. So Im confused where do you they get the figures
Thanks

This PSU can actually do all four rails at 20A a piece at any given time (and all at once if necessary). These four can not be 'fused'.

The Mushkin has four separate rails for when the 12V line draws <20A (each rail can do 20A at any given time, but not at the same time), but when 12V line needs >20A, all four 'fuse' into 1 44A line. This is for efficiency as very large rails are VERY innefficient at lower amperages. Under no circumstance should you expect to draw 4x20A on the Mushkin. That alone is WAAAAAAYYY past the 650W spec and not the design of the PSU.

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Originally Posted by Micutzu

I'm guessing it's a new Topower design ... U25 / U35 / U95 all use two chopper tranformers BTW.

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And it seems i'm right :) Topower P9 series = Tagan U25 / U35 / U95

http://www.topower.com.tw/product/po.../iframe_p9.htm

Claiming an efficiency of up to 84% in full load, either the regulation is poor or we're dealing with awesome electronics.

I have the 900w version, unfortunatley mine is from a faulty batch, which is known to have a cold start issue, it is being collected and a replacement is already on it's way.

2 other issues that have surfaced over the past 2 days (I've had it for just over a week), the fan has began to make a clicking sound, the speed seems to fluctuate making a slight noise as if the voltage to it is being cut.

The second is that the rocker switch has stopped working, and the unit can only be switched off at the mains instead.

I do hope the next batch is better. I spoke to the UK distributer/service centre on Friday about the cold start issue (the other 2 problems had not surfaced at the time), he assured me the cold start issue had been fixed.


I guess I'll find out in a couple of days.


Regards
Raja

Looks like an awesome PSU, I definately like the classy little leather case that they ship it in, awesome!

Lets see some sexy rail tests :slobber:

Gorillakos, that sure looks like my next PSU if those specs really works IRL :)

Well I've rma'd 1 unit already, recieved a replacment and other problems have arisen. It seems the 900w version has seriously exaggerated specs. I get lock ups in games and benchmarks when I overclock my cards using CCC, and this should not be the case as even the Seasonic was able to run @ 690 gpu and 800 mem. If i return to stock then I find things will run. There is supposed to be 18 amps on each pcie rail. There are 4 connectors for pcie, 1&3 on one rail and 2&4 on the other. I have contacted the retailer for an rma, so fingers crossed.


Raja

I was interested in this power supply but I am rapidly going off it ....

Regards

Andy

Hi,

Okay I ran some more tests tonight, I connected a seperate psu to the pcie cards, just to make sure that the problem was not something other than the psu.

The problem of lockups persisted, which left me baffled for a while.
I checked the temp of the 1900 mastercard and it was really high (would go into the 90's). So I removed the heatsink remebering that I had lapped it a couple of months ago and used a minimum of TIM. I found that the contact between the surfaces was not good and that the TIM (Arctic Silver) had cured in patches on the die and heatsink surface. Cleaned and then applied a generous amount, back in and temp at load have stabilised in the 60's. ANd the benchmark run fine now.

So IT WAS NOT the psu, I am sorry to have come to the wrong conclusion in the first place, sorry guys my mistake!!


Regards
Raja

what happened to the testing and results?

They finally managed to send me the spec sheet that I requested to see rail distribution, crossload requirements and thermal spec.

Except what they sent me doesn't have the info on rail dsitribution, crossload requirements and thermal specs.

I ordered the new OCZ...

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Originally Posted by uOpt

They finally managed to send me the spec sheet that I requested to see rail distribution, crossload requirements and thermal spec.

Except what they sent me doesn't have the info on rail dsitribution, crossload requirements and thermal specs.

I ordered the new OCZ...

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Smart move.. if they feel like sharing the info you need.. that can go :banana::banana::banana::banana: themselves.

TBH, I have not come accross any cross loading requirements so far. However perhaps that's something that only surfaces when full power is demanded from a rail?

The only other multi rail psu I know of that can provide it's rails at full regardless of loading in the new Silverston ST75F, it was allegedly designed from the ground up for the purpose.

I think our friend above who started this thread may well have had the same issue I had with the first unit, the first batc had a startup current issue, which has been fixed in a subsequent revision, perhaps he's awaiting his replacement..


Raja

still go for a Pcp&C 850 or 510, due to sheer class of the product.

to be honest, how many real users would consder Quad SLI? ATM, Bit-tech say that X1900 XT-X crossfire is faster due to driver error ect.

also, i think the packageing is a complete over kill. In a Hiper Type-R 580W Modular, the packageing isn't as flashy, but displays more info, and at the moment, im using it as my tool box.


AJ.

(sorry if slightly off topic)

tuned....but who cares for the leather case ??

or perhaps is done for wives....you catch the PSU and you give girlfriend or wife the case (for jewels, make-ups...), so it seems you spend better your €€€

:D

eeeerrr.. i gave my girl friend that as a present, i would be slapped and she would block my calls.

most of us teenagers have lives that dont run around PCs (i have a seperate private life for my PC) mso anything that came from a PC (leather PSU case) isn't really fansied.

apart from Processor keyrings.

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MONDAY??? WHAT. TEST NOW :D

Any news about price? I find the PC & P cooling VERY expensiv :(

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Tagan 900W: around $250

Tagan 1100W: around $300

These prices are direct from Tagan for resellers though. From a store, it will be more.

According to Tagan, a cheaper alternative is the XScale 750. They are pushing that ATI uses it for internal testing. It's about 50 bucks cheaper than the 900W and comes with the split-combine 12V switch.

I was considering ordering some for testing, but I think I'll wait and see what the people with the nice testing equipment have to say.

Not impressed until I see the testing.

I'll stick with my PCP&C 1KW, thank you.

tagan/fortron/ocz/mushkin hhmm...... ...... .....

Announced for testing some 2 weeks ago but still nothing?

..if it crapped out on you we deserve to know ;)

Hi Clint,


I still have my 900w version (which is revised), I had a few problems with the first supply but the second one seems ok. I had suspected (if you read earlier in the thread), that the second unit was under spec in terms of wattage to the pcie rails. However I later found (have been testing for 3 solid days now), that my case and Crossfire system do not got too well with each other (to an extent). Trouble is that ATI have really relaxed the fan speeds of the 1900, in order to keep it quiet. This works fine @ stock speed, but if you overclock (using CCC) the combo of my case and the overclock results in the temps of the gpu's to hit 90 degrees. At this level lock ups during games and benchmarks can take place. I removed the case side panel and the issues went away. So to date I have increased the cooling around the cards and also used ATI tool to create a custom fan speed config, which ramps the stock fans upto full speed at 70 degrees celsius. The initial problems have now gone.

In terms of rails, I have a multimeter so if you tell me which pins to place the probes on I can try. If I find it too fiddly though I may not bother as I don't want my rig to go lunar.

ITE shows the 12v rail at 12.09 and it drops to 12.03 upon heavy load.
Obviously things may be different for the 1100w version.

Regards
Raja

edit actually running the cpu at 100% load in the Stress test (S&M does not lower the reported voltage in Smartguardian, stays steady at 12.09)

no load readings on Smartguardian

slight gfx load, no real change the 12v fluctuates slightly between 12.09 and 12.03, the cards are on seperate rails, so I assume it's the fans that create the slight drift as they ramp up and down, nothing major though no real dips.

Thanx for sharing the info :)

It looks like it's doing pretty good there, how is the noise levels?

Hi

Clint, the noise is pretty quiet in my system, I'll try and stop all the other fans for a bit to see how much noise it really makes. ATM I have to put my head right next to the outlet fan to hear it working. Remember I have the 900w version, so the 1100 should be even more stable. One thing I have noted even when running 3d mark 06 with 1900 Crossfire the air out of the psu never gets really hot, which means it handles the load really well.

Regards
Raja

Yes, thats what I thought..such high output and only 2 x 80mm fans spinning slowly...that calls for a very high efficiency.

Very nice looking indeed, I'm still on my 480w'er, it has served me well until today and are the quietest moving part in my system (well, the fan is.. :))

Hi

just unplugged every fan from my case, at idle it's not as quiet as the Seasonic with it's 120mm fan. I can hear it from my seated position (1 metre away), but it's not annoying, I'd say it's around 20db or so. Only completley silent systems would be concerned, even then I think there are louder supplies out there.


Regards
Raja

edit I reckon it would take a couple of 80mm Akasa Ambers for nigh on silence. For me it would not make any difference as the 1900's make more noise at idle than the psu (higher pitch).

Now THAT is stylish. More stylish than most girls :toast:

Hi,

I wonder where our friends evaluation has got to?

My small test is only for the 900w version, I would be interested to see how well the 1100w version performs..


Regards
Raja

I want one.

One online store in Norway is stocking these... Price is insane thou... It will set you back a whooping $645 at the current exchange rate :eek:

:eek: the 900W is £150 inc. VAT over here
http://www.cclonline.com/product-inf...ufacturer_id=0

it seems to be about £165 in the other main shops

the 1100W versions seem to be sold for £200-£235
£223.19 : http://www.chillblast.com/product.ph...1&cat=0&page=1

http://www.overclock.co.uk/home.php?cat=416
http://www.savastore.com/catalog/bro...%A310%2C000.00
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...Thumbnails=yes

raju, what motherboard are you using?
has anybody tried these supplies on a dfi expert or venus board?

DFI CFX3200-DR...

The first version of these supplies had a known issue upon startup, the switch on current limiting was set too low. Tagan recalled the inital supplies. The new revision has no known issues, at least with the newer DFI boards.

Regards
Raja

Thanks Raja, thinking about ordering the 900W version :)
i think i definitely need a new one, i'm having problems running everything overclocked when i use 4x512mb of bh5

Don't seem to have the 1100W version in the US. Anybody knows where to get one?

wow , so many cables :P

there's around 20 sata connectors, it becomes hard to tuck them all away if your not using them. I wish that Tagan had made the sata and molex cables modular, so you could plug in as many as required.

Thanks for that raja, i think it's an good PSU, with a big bundle :clap:

Lots of cables indeed.
Isn't it better to pair 2 SPu's from let's say 600 watt each, instead of buying such a monster ?

Perhaps it would be better, the only trouble is when watercooling, most nice looking cases don't have the room required for 2 seperate supplies.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...0/b5ce2fba.jpg

OK...Is it just me, or does Tagan need to buy themselves some calculators?

3.3v * 28A = 92.4W
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5v * 28A = 140W
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232.4W :confused:

Combined output is always gonna be lower than the two individually.

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Combined output is always gonna be lower than the two individually.

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Do the math on the 12v rails ;)

My guess is that its actually a single rail with the four outputs balanced as necessary; similar to what Fortron/OCZ have.

Nm, I guess not.

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This PSU can actually do all four rails at 20A a piece at any given time (and all at once if necessary). These four can not be 'fused'.

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Nm, I guess not.

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My guess is that its actually a single rail with the four outputs balanced as necessary; similar to what Fortron/OCZ have.

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The FSP Epsilon/OCZ GXS does not have a single-rail with 4 outputs. They are 4 true rails.

That single-split rail rumor has been spread by soem crazy Russian writing from review and since then it has seen a lot of mouth-to-mouth propaganda. It is not true.

I guess that answers everything except HOW they accomplish that. :p:

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The FSP Epsilon/OCZ GXS does not have a single-rail with 4 outputs. They are 4 true rails.

That single-split rail rumor has been spread by soem crazy Russian writing from review and since then it has seen a lot of mouth-to-mouth propaganda. It is not true.

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Yeah, figured as much. I actually spoke with an engineer from Fortron, and he made it sound like that was the case. :shrug:

All I know is that those four rails could NOT sucessfully power my 1900's in crossfire...

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OK...Is it just me, or does Tagan need to buy themselves some calculators?

3.3v * 28A = 92.4W
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5v * 28A = 140W
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232.4W :confused:

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WTF? :lol:
well spotted s7e9h3n

so how did they come up with those numbers??????

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OK...Is it just me, or does Tagan need to buy themselves some calculators?

3.3v * 28A = 92.4W
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5v * 28A = 140W
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232.4W :confused:

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The 3.3V rail CAN DO 92W and the 5V rail CAN DO 140W, but both at the same time can only do 180W .. they're not fully independent.

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Yeah, figured as much. I actually spoke with an engineer from Fortron, and he made it sound like that was the case. :shrug:

All I know is that those four rails could NOT sucessfully power my 1900's in crossfire...

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Odd. I was afraid of the 4 rails, too, but it works fine for my Supermicro H8QC8, after going through 5 PSUs. I have the OCZ variant, though, it's possible they played with the protection levels.

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The 3.3V rail CAN DO 92W and the 5V rail CAN DO 140W, but both at the same time can only do 180W .. they're not fully independent.

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Yes I understand peak output vs. rated output, but then is Tagan saying that it's possible to have 4x12V rails @ 20A each at the same time????

I guess it must be if they're independent regulated. Perhaps they're actually capable of more, and overcurrent protection is just placed at that point?

Of course we've all been dancing around the obvious, they could just be embellishing the truth.

uOpt, your results with the GameXStream, and the fact that you picked it over the 6701P tempted me quite a bit to go PSU hunting YET again (have the 6701P myself)...but I've decided I'll just stand pat with my Zippy and switch out them noisy fans. It powers everything its been given and I guess that's the important part. I dunno what went wrong for me with the Fortron, I'm beginning to think that I just happened to get a bum unit so I haven't been terribly vocal about it. I'll admit though, it did really shy me away from the whole quad rail thing. I still feel that it's somewhat of a cheaper alternative on the manufacturer's part than providing a single solid rail.

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I guess it must be if they're independent regulated. Perhaps they're actually capable of more, and overcurrent protection is just placed at that point?

Of course we've all been dancing around the obvious, they could just be embellishing the truth.

uOpt, your results with the GameXStream, and the fact that you picked it over the 6701P tempted me quite a bit to go PSU hunting YET again (have the 6701P myself)...but I've decided I'll just stand pat with my Zippy and switch out them noisy fans. It powers everything its been given and I guess that's the important part. I dunno what went wrong for me with the Fortron, I'm beginning to think that I just happened to get a bum unit so I haven't been terribly vocal about it. I'll admit though, it did really shy me away from the whole quad rail thing. I still feel that it's somewhat of a cheaper alternative on the manufacturer's part than providing a single solid rail.

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Mod the Zippy ;)

Yep thats the plan. I remember you having one, did you make any changes to it?

(Sorry for the threadjack)

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Yep thats the plan. I remember you having one, did you make any changes to it?

(Sorry for the threadjack)

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Yep....did every mod possible to it - Fan mod, v-mod, re-painted, sleeved, re-molexed, etc....

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9...pysmall7ks.jpg

I would've expected no less. :D Absolutely gorgeous.

...now how about some results on this 1100W Tagan?

Does this psu is neccessary?I dont think so...

If you have 10 Hdd,
4x7950 Gx2 You can buy it lol

400 Euro is very expensive,and I dont understand why they put big suitcase for this psu?Which man want to cary a huge psu with him? lol...

Than,this psu must very heavy...8 cm fans didnt fit I think,8 cm fans are noisy and powerless...Price is 400 Euro,but they didnt put led or colored funs in Psu...Lol

tbh, after putting it in a suitcase they're not going to make it uber tacky thermaltake style.

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Does this psu is neccessary?I dont think so...

If you have 10 Hdd,
4x7950 Gx2 You can buy it lol

400 Euro is very expensive,and I dont understand why they put big suitcase for this psu?Which man want to cary a huge psu with him? lol...

Than,this psu must very heavy...8 cm fans didnt fit I think,8 cm fans are noisy and powerless...Price is 400 Euro,but they didnt put led or colored funs in Psu...Lol

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You could just buy the PCP&P 1000w for 513 Euro's, that comes without the suitcase if you prefer ;)

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Does this psu is neccessary?I dont think so...

If you have 10 Hdd,
4x7950 Gx2 You can buy it lol

400 Euro is very expensive,and I dont understand why they put big suitcase for this psu?Which man want to cary a huge psu with him? lol...

Than,this psu must very heavy...8 cm fans didnt fit I think,8 cm fans are noisy and powerless...Price is 400 Euro,but they didnt put led or colored funs in Psu...Lol

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Harddrives are actually not that bad, if you start them late (which SCSI usually does).

Hi Guys!

Some weeks ago I bought Tagan Turbo Jet TG1100-U95 PSU.

I have question about it.

Whom are meant for these 2x black and 2x blue connectors on PSU?

How I can use them?

thats a beast

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Hi Guys!

Some weeks ago I bought Tagan Turbo Jet TG1100-U95 PSU.

I have question about it.

Whom are meant for these 2x black and 2x blue connectors on PSU?

How I can use them?

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It looks like that your U95 is beeing cross breed with U35?? The 4 pcs modular is exactly the same like the U35

New revision maybe? :confused:

80 amps on the 4 12v rails that support 20 amps each... Is that their peak? Because then you have tons of unused power. Ugh what overkill compared to what it's capable to output. In order to get all 80 amps out of it you'd have to make sure your cpu uses 20 amps the 2nd cpu uses 20 amps plus some sata drives to equal 20 amps. Then everything else... What a piece of crap. IT can output a lot of power but only allows 20 per rail making itso that if you can't get 20 off each rail you can't get the full power it can output. Atleast that's my understanding.

Praxis
I see you never ehard of servers and workstations.
And if PSU has 4 rails 20A ea that doesn`t mean it has total 80A on 12V line ;)

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80 amps on the 4 12v rails that support 20 amps each... Is that their peak? Because then you have tons of unused power. Ugh what overkill compared to what it's capable to output. In order to get all 80 amps out of it you'd have to make sure your cpu uses 20 amps the 2nd cpu uses 20 amps plus some sata drives to equal 20 amps. Then everything else... What a piece of crap. IT can output a lot of power but only allows 20 per rail making itso that if you can't get 20 off each rail you can't get the full power it can output. Atleast that's my understanding.

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It's multi rail, so there are no tricks going on by Tagan -it means there are 4 independant rails.

The supply does not consume 80 amps at idle, the current consumed is related to the load (basic electronics my friend), it's a switchmode supply so efficiency is quite reasonable.

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Praxis
I see you never ehard of servers and workstations.
And if PSU has 4 rails 20A ea that doesn`t mean it has total 80A on 12V line ;)

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Nevertheless each rail can only deliver 20 amps unless I was wrong. So wth 4 rails at 20 amps each you get 80 amps max which is what it can supply. If you can't get all the amps off each rail then your really not getting 80 amps. So therefore you must use use every single amp off each rail for it to be worthwhile. Now it doesn't have huge 5v or 3.3v rails so it's an overpowered overpriced psu in comparison to something else to power your machine. Well unless you use peltiers. Even then you can only use something up to amps so that you don't overload each rail. The combined amps of the 4 rails whether they are independent or not makes no difference... I might be wrong. it still says 20 amps on each rail. So in essence it's wasted power. Since you can't tap into it without going overspec.

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It's multi rail, so there are no tricks going on by Tagan -it means there are 4 independant rails.

The supply does not consume 80 amps at idle, the current consumed is related to the load (basic electronics my friend), it's a switchmode supply so efficiency is quite reasonable.

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That was not what I meant... at all lol

It's not advertised as being single rail 80 amps though is it?

It's meant for quad SLI setups or even Crossfire, which it manages quite well.

If you want a supply for 80 amps on a single rail you'd be looking elsewhere off the bat, as this is a multi rail psu - it's advertised that way, so it's a no brainer.

Sure there are situations where one may want a single 80 amps, but for my sytem I'm perfectly content with 20 amps available on each of the four rails. I have 2 1900's in Crossfire, and they draw upto 15 amps a piece, secondly they don't interfere with my cpu rail or with the rest of the devices. So I can't see any real problems.

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It's not advertised as being single rail 80 amps though is it?

It's meant for quad SLI setups or even Crossfire, which it manages quite well.

If you want a supply for 80 amps on a single rail you'd be looking elsewhere off the bat, as this is a multi rail psu - it's advertised that way, so it's a no brainer.

Sure there are situations where one may want a single 80 amps, but for my sytem I'm perfectly content with 20 amps available on each of the four rails. I have 2 1900's in Crossfire, and they draw upto 15 amps a piece, secondly they don't interfere with my cpu rail or with the rest of the devices. So I can't see any real problems.

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I'm talking about how it equates to 4 rails with 20 amps but you can't truly access all 20 amps. Thereby wasting power. So who the hell needs 1100W. I mean only the retarded people who write newegg reviews think they need one. I read a review of a guy who said that the Fortron Epsilon 700W failed to power his 7800gtx SLI because it only had 15 amps on each rail... Then he bought the 1kw PCP&C... Your X1900XT's DO NOT DRAW 15 AMPS APIECE. There is no way in hell it can draw that much. That's greater the 170W! :nono: Nothing would interfere with anything if it was all on 1 rail. Either you get enough power or you don't. There is no crossloading the 12v rail issues.

Read what I'm saying. The PSU cannot be used to it's full potential as each rail peaks at 20 amps. Because it is extremely difficult to get all 20 amps off each rail it's mostly a waste. Sure it can provide 80 amps but only if you manage to find a way to use every single amp. Which I doubt is very plausible or practical for that matter. So simply your only gonna use maybe 40-50 amps with Quad SLI and Crossfire. A single 80 amps means it would have use because it's easy to access al 80 amps. I don't know how many more times I can say this. You aren't gonna get every single amp on this psu even though it can supply 80 amps. Thereby making it quite useless. Your going to have tons and tons of overhead with a huge wad of cash missing from your pocket.

I wasn't talking about a single rail anyway!

A 430W Seasonic can handle an FX-62 and a X1900XT

A Silverstone ST56ZF can handle Crossfire. And it could probably handle Quad SLI as well as long as you aren't overclocking it too much. A 7950GX2 may use 170W max I would think as they downclocked it. Now that's around 14 amps. Double that to 28 amps. Then add a 10 amps cpu if you get conroe less you could do it since the ST56ZF can handle a 38 amp load which peaks at 45amps I'm almost sure.

The 600W GameXstream could definetley handle Quad SLI. And if you are a huge overclocker the 700W would do you just fine.

So unless you are preparing for Dual R600's that take the max 300W each then it's pretty damn useless.

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I'm talking about how it equates to 4 rails with 20 amps but you can't truly access all 20 amps. Thereby wasting power. So who the hell needs 1100W. I mean only the retarded people who write newegg reviews think they need one. I read a review of a guy who said that the Fortron Epsilon 700W failed to power his 7800gtx SLI because it only had 15 amps on each rail... Then he bought the 1kw PCP&C... Your X1900XT's DO NOT DRAW 15 AMPS APIECE. There is no way in hell it can draw that much. That's greater the 170W! :nono: Nothing would interfere with anything if it was all on 1 rail. Either you get enough power or you don't. There is no crossloading the 12v rail issues.

Read what I'm saying. The PSU cannot be used to it's full potential as each rail peaks at 20 amps. Because it is extremely difficult to get all 20 amps off each rail it's mostly a waste. Sure it can provide 80 amps but only if you manage to find a way to use every single amp. Which I doubt is very plausible or practical for that matter. So simply your only gonna use maybe 40-50 amps with Quad SLI and Crossfire. A single 80 amps means it would have use because it's easy to access al 80 amps. I don't know how many more times I can say this. You aren't gonna get every single amp on this psu even though it can supply 80 amps. Thereby making it quite useless. Your going to have tons and tons of overhead with a huge wad of cash missing from your pocket.

I wasn't talking about a single rail anyway!

A 430W Seasonic can handle an FX-62 and a X1900XT

A Silverstone ST56ZF can handle Crossfire. And it could probably handle Quad SLI as well as long as you aren't overclocking it too much. A 7950GX2 may use 170W max I would think as they downclocked it. Now that's around 14 amps. Double that to 28 amps. Then add a 10 amps cpu if you get conroe less you could do it since the ST56ZF can handle a 38 amp load which peaks at 45amps I'm almost sure.

The 600W GameXstream could definetley handle Quad SLI. And if you are a huge overclocker the 700W would do you just fine.

So unless you are preparing for Dual R600's that take the max 300W each then it's pretty damn useless.

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you talk about overhead and using the psu to its fullest potential...
"read what im saying" no one intends to use their psu to their fullest. thats why manufactures make higher rated ones.
so you dont blow up your 430 seasonic.
and let people give their reviews and opinions

It's easy to buy pcie to molex connectors if you want the power to go elsewhere.

Ati are bringing out a 3 pcie card solution this year, even with die shrinks the cards are hungry.

If you don't want/like the supply don't buy it.

3 X1900XT's ok that's around 33 amps give or take a bit. I overestimated too. And this is at load. An FX-62 overclocked. Say 15 amps. A few scsi drives. Say 2 amps apiece startup(not exactly sure). say 4. 4 regular hard drives. 1.5 amps a piece at startup.
so 62 amps... if you started at the same time.... A good 58+ amp psu would handle it... btw if you have such a big rig you'd might as well just buy the single rail zippy instead of this junk. And since hard drives don't even use that much spinning you might as well cut them out and just do a staggered startup. This is 80 amps... great 22 amps overhead... And then you have to try to figure out how the split up the load.

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Ati are bringing out a 3 pcie card solution this year, even with die shrinks the cards are hungry.

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you'll be able to play bf2 AND cook your eggs at the same time!



having a good psu is more about reliability, security and performance then anything else.


a 600 watts supply running at 600 watts isn't going to run as well (with less heat and fluctations) than one rated for 800.

for example. i'm thinking of running three 24w pumps for the watercooling system. add to that the possibility of crossfire with an additional ppu in the future.

wow.

with a chip/drives yadda yadda...


a million fans.... keep in mind what the individual components are rated are at are just a small part of the equation.

Well there aren't many single rail psu's about are there? There is the Zippy, but how many online stores have it in stock? Least of all in the UK, lets all take the risks of always ordering from abroad shall we, that'd be great for rma simplicity when something goes wrong....

my 900w works fine, and I have the ability to re-route power if I wish.

Wow... This is super nice!

~Mike

Where is this Tagan available in UK? not OcUK though!

You can search for it on google, quite a few different vendors should have it in stock.


The rma process is handled direct in the UK and the company is great.

Also check the new pcp&c 750w (single rail 60 amps) unit, good price to, extremeprometeia have it on preorder..

Let`s keep this thread clean from personal insults, off-topic and other non-related things.

Hi Cooper,

Is it possible that if someone has a problem with a product, or an issue with it's specs they should start up a seperate thread elsewhere?

It would at least keep the tit for tat away from the USERS impressions, rather than the opinions and views of someone who does not even own the product.


regards
Raja

We have Computer related open discussions or General Hardware sections for that.

Beautiful!!!
But for now I can only dream a PSU like this:(
Too many expansive:(

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Hi Cooper,

Is it possible that if someone has a problem with a product, or an issue with it's specs they should start up a seperate thread elsewhere?

It would at least keep the tit for tat away from the USERS impressions, rather than the opinions and views of someone who does not even own the product.


regards
Raja

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I am discussing this product. It's the review section. I say it's quite useless due to rail distribution. Noone has yet to prove to me that the rail distribution is effective and the power is needed.

That is what I said in the first few posts I made. People disagreed but I've still yet to see proof.

It seems to me that just because I do not own a product I shouldn't talk about it. However I doubt you own this 1100W psu. I think we are allowed to disagree in this thread. I mean if we didn't then what is the point? So people can say "it's a beast" and I can't disagree?

Cooper it's up to you. I mean I never insulted someone first unless they posted complete lies or insulted me first. If we aren't allowed to express our opinions in this thread what's the point? just to say "good review, oh it's great, awesome, etc..." Cause in all honesty that's as useless as this psu.

no-one ever wants to use every amp their supply can provide, that would mean running it at it's limits..


see Cooper, here we go again..

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no-one ever wants to use every amp their supply can provide, that would mean running it at it's limits..


see Cooper, here we go again..

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I pm'ed cooper a very very very long post of what I'm talking about among other things.

You can't even elaborate... No-one ever? Wrong. I'm not talking about running it at it's limits. This isn't even close to it's limit. Because how much overhead do you want? Just say it. Percent? Set amount of amps? What? It's not even the fact that we don't want to use it all. IF lets say one day in the future this power supply is still running and I need those 80 amps I want to be able to use them. But withthis power supply the reality is in most situations it will say only supply 60 amps. Which then you might as well buy a power supply that supplies 60...

The rail distribution is flawed. Tell me how it isn't.

we get your point about the rail distribution. (i agree)

its why i purchased a zippy 850.

HOWEVER,

power to spare is something many ppl want. especially when building a (powerfull) computer.


as for buying a 60 amp psu if you only need 60 amps....


think of it this way. say you want to do the quarter mile in 20 seconds....

you buy a car that does it full out in 20 seconds. (honda civic let's say)
it'll be able to do it but you'll be revving the engine to redline on every shift and using every component to its maximum capabilities.


eventually. that car will breakdown due to wear and tear.

now.... imagine you still need to do that quarter mile in 20 seconds. since you know that even if a honda civic can do it, you decide to purchase a car that can "easily" run that quarter mile in 20 seconds. (

(you buy a corvette)

what you end up with is a car designed and manufactered with higher performance in mind and thus, will be able to handle that 20 seconds quarter without much stress on the components.

it will last longer, you'll have peace of mind and chances are....

you'll be able to drink a coffee on the way down.

Thanks for seeing my point of the rail distribution!

I see your point of the car.

However the price vs performance ratio does not justify it's cost especially with crap like a leather case... wtf?

How can this be reccomended or even be that great if other power supplies are within it's price range and can supply more power than it can due to the rails?

That's why I'm saying it is useless...