New better thernal paste

Compound X will be revealed at the bottom of the post 8-)

Well, its not new, and it isnt actually meant to be used as a thermal interface material, but it sure does KICK ASS.

I have tested it on:

(1)XP 1800+ Palomino @ 1650-1683 1.8v
- Dr. Thermal TiV77n w/ Delta 60 7krpm 38cfm
(2)XP 1800+ Palomino @ 1320 1.75v (230 watt PSU :rolleyes: )
- Chrome orb + 35cfm 60mm thermaltake fan
(3)XP 1700+ T-Bred A @ 1740 1.65v
- Dr. Thermal TiV77n w/ Delta 60 8krpm 41cfm or so
(4)XP 1700+ T-Bred B @ 1812 1.6v (mobo limited 8-/)
- Dr. Thermal TiV77n w/ Delta 60 8krpm 41cfm or so

1 - 35c load 1650, 36c load 1683 (unstable) - AS2/Nanotherm blue
--- 30c load 1683, stable... with compound X.
2 - 55-60c load 1320... AS2/Nanotherm blue
--- 50c load compound X.
3 - 33c load 1740 AS2/Nanotherm
--- 31c load 1812 compound X.
4 - 34c load 1812 AS2/Nanotherm
--- 31c load 1812 Compound X.

1 - Shuttle AK11 rev 3.2 mobo.
2 - Epox 8KTA3 w/ 230 watt PSU. Mobo limited to 120mhz FSB due to psu 8-/ Damn those mosfets get hot!
3 & 4 - Different Epox 8KTA3 w/ 350 watt PSU. Mobo limited to 145 FSB due to ram.. at any settings 8-/

each heatsink and cpu was cleaned with isopropal alcohol between tests. I know they arent perfect tests, but it gives us an idea as to what this stuff can do 8-)

Compound X is:

Permatex Anti Seize Compound (a product of loctite technology).. part number 133H. Ammount: 113g :slobber: Price: $13 CDN :toast:

Links:
I think this is the same stuff.. its in a different bottle, though.. mines fat and shorter.. and only rated to 870deg C.. that stuff goes to 1315deg C!
http://ken-co.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=133H

There is also some copper based stuff out there.. might be even better 8-)

I dont know if it is electrically conductive, though... I have tested it with my digital multimeter and have seen no numbers pop up... but you never know until you run a bit of power or so through it.. 8-)

Is nail polish electrically conductive? Might be good for covering ram leads/gpu tops/whatnot..? 8-)

EDIT

Results comming sometime in the next 3 or 4 days (?) on 1700+ T-Bred B with TiV77n and 7k screamer on 8K3A+ 8-)

Wont have AS2/Nanotherm results, though.. I ran out.. 8-/

EDIT 2

Oops. I thought I put it in the overclocking forum.. shows you what playing loud music to break in a new subwoofer will do to you.. lol 8-)

A scan of the said good TIM 8-)

How does it perform compared to tooth paste though?

dude.. you scanned that stuff :D
you compared it with AS2.. but what about AS3?

Permatex®. A highly refined blend of aluminum, copper, and graphite lubricants. Use during assembly to prevent galling, corrosion, and seizing, and to assure easier disassembly. Temperature range: -60° F. to 1200° F. Salt, corrosion, and moisture resistant; ideal for marine use. Non-aerosol version meets Mil Spec No. 907E. Suggested applications: For easy removal of spark plugs and cylinder head and exhaust head bolts. Lubricates sliding caliper disc brakes.

They forgot to mention cooling processors. ;) So what possessed you to try this as a thermal paste? BTW, a one ounce tube is about $3.69 US. Not bad :)

It looked like AS2 and I was nearly out.. lol 8-) Was worth a shot, anyways, heh.

No as3 on hand. Thermal paste is expensive.. 8-/ That Nanotherm blue is from the review I did for Nanotherm..

EDIT

If a moderator wants to move this to overclocking, I would greatly appreciate it.. posted in wrong forum by mistake 8-)

Update on sub - I took my digital multimeter and measured my AC output on the amp to see what kind of power im dropping onto the poor Jensen XS1212 (175RMS is what it handles I think)...

Voltage went between 20 and 60 staying around the 33-46 area a lot 8-)

That means im stuffing 200 (20) to 1800 (60) watts RMS down its throat... with an average of 544 (30) to 1058 (46).

All this out of a lowly built by MTX Rockford Fosgate 200x2 from about 1997... 8-)

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Originally posted by STEvil
Is nail polish electrically conductive? Might be good for covering ram leads/gpu tops/whatnot..? 8-)

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I remember reading that nail polish eventually becomes corrosive might eat a trace ect ... probably would just trap more heat anyway.

Thats a great find lot's of auto parts stores around, no waiting.:)


Edit: No nail polish isn't conductive, don't know about metalic nail polish though?:)

Nice find STEvil. Keep running it, and tell us if it wears out with time. As to moving your thread, I can't since I'm not a moderator on the AMD forum :(.

STEvil, one other question. How easy/difficult is it to clean off your cpu?

I never used anything but Threadlube (copper -based) until the socket A came out. It is a bit coarser than the Locktite stuff so it doesn't work that well on really small surfaces but otherwise..

I used to use that stuff all the time when I was doing truck mechanic stuff, good stuff.

There are other products out there that do the same thing....
JetLube has a bunch of different variations also like Kopr Kote ,that I used to use on ground leads ( I used to do alot of Wireless Telecom cell site building) to prevent corrosion..
That stuff can be found here( the white papers):

http://www.jetlubecanada.com/AS.html

Thats just the canada branch.........

I never tested this stuff for this application, as I never had it just laying around, and I don't do that kind of work anymore.

Good job Stevil:toast:

muzz

I dont think it will wear out anytime soon.. or else it wouldnt be on the market as an anti-seize compound.. lol 8-)

Removing it was just as easy, if not a bit easier, than removing AS2. Wiped off really nice.

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Originally posted by STEvil
Removing it was just as easy, if not a bit easier, than removing AS2. Wiped off really nice.

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I've never used AS2 or AS3, just AS1 which as far as I'm concerned is a §§§§§ to get off. You say wiped off really nice, do you mean with just a clean rag and nothing else, or did you have to use some sort of solvent?

easiest way to get the stuff off is handwhashing paste that you get in any auto parts store. Just rub it on with your finger and rinse the entire CPU under lukewarm water. Works for AS -XXX thermal pads, any other compound I have tried.

wipes off with a rag.

Never tried AS1.. 8-)

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wipes off with a rag.

Never tried AS1.. 8-)

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Sounds good. May have to drop by the auto parts store soon :D

UPDATE

Running it on my 1700+ JIUHB at 2ghz 1.7v....

50cfm sunon 80mm hot glued to a Dr. Thermal TiV77n..

35c Load 8-)

Gotta give 12.5x166 a try.. this 7.5ns Micron stick is going like crazy, even if I do have to force 3v down its throat, lol 8-)

Did you ever figure out for sure whether it's electrically conductive?

Anything copper or silver-based will be conductive. Once got some threadlube between the legs of the L2 cache of the SlotA Athlon which was not good..

1.75.. mobo overvolts slightly 8-)

Sweet.

Ah, so you got the 12.5X multiplier working. Excellent. Those temps are pretty good, but it's at idle there, not at load.

Thats load.. seti@home in the bottom righthand corner with the grey dish 8-)

Ran some prime on it and didnt get any hotter, so I guess its pretty close 8-)

Your year/week is backwards in your sig 8-)

Bump

This should be in the OC'ing forum, btw... maybe a sticky? 8-)

bump for update from ya STEvil

I'm looking around town but they seem to be out for the moment - any other brands of the same thing?

you still getting good results in the long term?

A heavy duty blend of aluminum, copper and graphite lubricants in a petroleum base.

is your stuff in a petroleum base? Mine is but it doesn't work at all.

copper

nickel

Hmmm, plenty of auto parts stores here. I'm gonna take a crack at that stuff.

Thanx for the great info STEvil :)





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napa branded silvery goo

Tonight I bought and tried the same "napa branded silvery goo" that seversphere mentions. Did (still doing!!!!) a trial on my hottest rig, one in serious need of better cooling.

1600+@1.7GHz, 1.750 Vcc, 200 FSB. running f@h/100% CPU. Cheap CoolerMaster CUD-725 HSF.

Average temps, 1 hour -

Thermal paste: 33c sys/46c CPU
NAPA/Permatex Item# 765-1674: 33c sys/54c CPU

Umhh, NG on the NAPA/Permatex...

errr.r......i would just stick with AS3 :)

Results are still great 8-)

Heres the stuff you want, its just an a newer version of the stuff I am running, as mine was old stock, hehe.

This is the stuff you are looking for:
(Go to www.permatex.com and search "Anti-Seize")
http://www.permatex.com/products/pro...lty+Lubricants

Specs:
http://www.permatex.com/products/ind...duct=Permatex, Anti-Seize Lubricant
http://www.permatex.com/products/ind...duct=Permatex, Copper Anti-Seize Lubricant
http://www.permatex.com/products/ind...duct=Permatex, Nickel Anti-Seize Lubricant

The copper and the nickel ones are the ones to keep your eyes on 8-)

EDIT

This post took a while to write cause I am at a lan party right now... we have been having some... contests... I guess 8-)

Contest 1
- First person to finish 2L of warm fizzy Diet Rootbeer wins. (10ppl)
- I got 3rd
Prizes - a couple of girly posters for 1st and 2nd 8-)

Contest 2
- Eat a can of SAFEWAY SELECT dogfood. (6ppl)
- I got 3rd again 8-) I let the other guy win cause he was really trying and it wasnt hard for me at all.. tasted like cold gristly gravy, lol! 8-)
Prizes:
1st - Cold cathode, full case vinyl wrap(?) and an applique thingy
2nd/3rd - case vinyl wrap and an applique thingy

EDIT 2

Those links sure didnt work too well.

Make sure your heatsink is extremely flat, I noticed a 3deg C temp drop just by lapping my heatsink... but this was also before I tried out the anti-seize compound, too..

EDIT 3

Never realized there was a second page to this thread, lol 8-)

That looks like the correct stuff, sever, but its going ot be trial and error with the likely 100s of different types out there by every manufacturer. The stuff I got could have been a fluke, too 8-)

EDIT 4

Oh, its in the air cooling forum.. no wonder I coudln't find it 8-) This works good, too, I guess, hehe 8-) No more editing now 8-)

Thanks for the update!

I'll be getting copper and nickel stuff to try soon.

The napa branded stuff is in a petroleum base and I had doubts about the oily look of the goo but had to try. I think your "old stock" is different somehow. The part number 133H makes me guess it's the nickel stuff but the only thing that makes me wonder is the temp rating of 870 C on your bottle as that would be very low for the nickel stuff - even if it is old nickel stuff that could be discontinued as the only part number that shows up now is 133K. All the 870 C rated stuff is supposedly exactly like the napa stuff (petroleum based). Anyways I'll see what else I can find out and test. :)

nickel pdf

regular pdf

I think its nickle based, but could always be wrong 8-)

EDIT

I've had 2 cokes, misc cookies, chips, etc and the taste of the dog food is still in my mouth..... man that experience is gonna stick with me for life I think 8-)

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Originally posted by sjohnson
Umhh, NG on the NAPA/Permatex...

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Was what you tried any of the products here?

http://www.permatex.com/products/pro...lty+Lubricants

if so, which one?

Maybe this is why it was "old stock".. was cause it was too close to AS2/3? hehe 8-)

I had a talk with my friend who supplied me with the napa bottle and he said this was nickel stuff. So I can't go by any labels - I'm just gonna try everything. :D

Try getting samples maybe.. then you wont have to buy 14 different types, heh.

my first sample request is to you! PLEASE!!! :D

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Originally posted by BrainStorm
Was what you tried any of the products here?

http://www.permatex.com/products/pro...lty+Lubricants

if so, which one?

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The local NAPA didn't have any copper anti-seize, so I bought this one: http://www.permatex.com/products/pro...&item_no=81464

Plenty of uses for it outside of cooling my PC's so it wasn't a total waste anyway :)

Where do I send it? Hope i've got some cash sitting around... been broke lately 8-/

Seversphere wants more info.. so heres more! 8-)

Place of purchase: Magrath Trading Co. (Magrath, Alberta, Canada)

Item code:19-80558-3 (?)

Bar code: 68161 80558

Code on top of the bottle (dunno what its for): 1fk15120


And thats about all I can find with closer inspection..

Oh, and an update!

With the original application still, I am currently:

2253mhz 2.0v for 57c load average.. bet it might drop a degree if I cleaned the dust out of my case.. hehe.

I was just wondering if any probs have shown them selves yet.

It dries out, but takes forever to do so.

Stick with normal stuff, but i've got another thing i'm working with for now.. getting it a little more thoroughly tested this time, hehe.

Moved thread to OVERCLOCKING with a redirect :D

hehe 8-)

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Originally posted by BrainStorm
Permatex®. A highly refined blend of aluminum, copper, and graphite lubricants... Suggested applications: For easy removal of spark plugs and cylinder head and exhaust head bolts. Lubricates sliding caliper disc brakes... They forgot to mention cooling processors. ;)

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Since Loctite is also in the business of making thermal interface materials, perhaps there is a good reason, STEvil, why they didn't adapt this particular compound for use as a TIM.

Let me explain something. Almost any liquid, paste, cream, grease or whatever (yes, even peanut butter and jelly) can act as a thermal interface material - and maybe do a halfway decent job for some period of time. Any material that effectively eliminates "Air" from the thermal junction, fills in the macro / micro imperfections on the mating surfaces and allows for optimal contact of the mating surfaces will work. The questions are, how long will they be effective as an air gap, and how efficiently do they promote heat transfer from the "hot" to the "cold" surface?

Per the re-quote excerpt above, Permatex Anti-seize contains aluminum, copper and graphite among other things. Are these thermally conductive materials? Sure they are. Are the particle sizes optimized for use as a thermal compound? Most likely not. Are any of these materials electrically conductive? Yes, all of them are.

If Permatex Anti-seize Compound works for you and you're happy with it, then you should continue using it. I experimented with it some time ago and wasn't too impressed with it, but, heh, whatever trips your trigger. Personally speaking, I think that are better TIMs out there than Anti-seize ;)

There definately are (i'm using something right now).

The problem, however, is that this "anti-seize" really isnt anti-seize. It dried up.

"If at first you don't succeed, then try, try again" - and I'm sure you will. Have fun, but get some sleep will you?! ;)

Sleep? Hugh!?:D

Hell no, I would have missed the prize give aways and a person eating dog food for $200 CDN worht of stuff and cash, lol.

ooh.. BF'42 tourney is starting now!

Hey stevil that was a quick turn around.
You just said its the bomb now you say it blows???
I heard you're review and it you made look great so i bought some, what a waste of my $$.

Quick?

Look at the first post date:

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and the last one:

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And do you know why it took so long?

Its because I did some more testing using chips with heatspreaders. They cannot squeeze the excess TIM out as easily as a bare core usually can and therefore more was left between the heatsink and the IHS. It dried out, and temps went through the roof, whereas on my AMD they stayed the same even with it dry..

I'll stick with Radio Shack goop... works well enough on my rig!

To each, their own - and STEvil continues the quest for his own. You gotta love STEvil's passion for the quest... ;)

Heh... gonna switch out the PCM+ tomarrow for something else again.. the consistancy of the PCM+ got me to thinking..

now how about something that goes to -100F temperatures??

Thats easy.. in fact i'll run outside right now and check the stuff i've set out to cure for 24 hours...

EDIT

Your 2k1 score is making me drool while I wait for my 8RDA+... lol...

EDIT

Looks like all the glycol has evaporated from the stuff, should be safe for use in a puter now.. although I doubt this specific material would get much below -50c without the glycol.. 8-/

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Originally posted by Stang_Man
now how about something that goes to -100F temperatures??

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Why would you need something that goes to -100'F - are you doing cryogenic work?

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Originally posted by Nanotherm
Why would you need something that goes to -100'F - are you doing cryogenic work?

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err ever heard of the prometeia + phase change system? :D

Gee - you got me there. Of course I have, but the Prommie doesn't require a TIM that goes to -100'F. You'll have trouble finding any type of TIM that will function effectively at temps below - 80F. And if you do, it won't be inexpensive ;)

-70C perhaps is a bit too much.... may be they wanna use LN2/Dryice ?

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Originally posted by Nanotherm
Why would you need something that goes to -100'F - are you doing cryogenic work?

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dry ice:stick:

Ah, yes, dry ice - the next evolution of cooling... :cool:

In practice, dry ice gives a -50C cooling "head" with unloaded temps of -40ishC
:D
C

And this stuff performs better than Arctic 5?!

It did a couple times but subsequent testing proved getting it to seat is not very easy..


This is what I am playing around with now.. I actually sent a couple samples out to a couple people but havent heard anything back.

http://www.wcroller.com/los/linkpics/unitol.jpg

LoL, I see someones foot! :p:

Hows it workin so far?

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Originally Posted by STEvil

It did a couple times but subsequent testing proved getting it to seat is not very easy..


This is what I am playing around with now.. I actually sent a couple samples out to a couple people but havent heard anything back.

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Keep up the great tests. I'm willing to fight to the last drop of your blood. (hattip: Three Stooges).

holy thread resurrection!

In Russia there is something called "KPT-8". It's sold in huge quantities (like .5KG) and it's VERY cheap. Only a few degrees worse than AS3 :)

Working very well so far.

STEvil
What kind of temps? I am seriously tired of wasting $ on AS5.

a7n8x-dlx 2.0 1007 uber, 2500 mobile @ 12x200 1.75v with coolermaster Jet7 at lowest RPMs it will do: 41c average running seti@home.

nF7 rev2 3.19bpl mantaray XT modded by merlin, 2500 moble @ 2600 2.0v using a Dr.Thermal rip-off heatsink (Arkua something or other) and 50cfm 80mm strapped on top of it: 47c in the bios.

DFI Lanparty-UT (754) 10/15 4.0vdimm with OCZ memtest 1.0, CG 2800+ @ 2400mhz 1.75v and stock cooling: 45c Prime95 load (~24c ambient)

ambient is 20c


Not the most scientific work or exact measurements (darn diodes!) but it seems to be doing as well or better than anything on the market that I can tell.. plus it comes in large enough tubes it can double as socket insulation for going below 0 :D

EDIT

A64 was about 24c ambient IIRC.. sold that setup a while ago.

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Not the most scientific work or exact measurements (darn diodes!) but it seems to be doing as well or better than anything on the market that I can tell.. plus it comes in large enough tubes it can double as socket insulation for going below 0

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You blew it Stevil, you shoulda put this stuff into 3.5 gram tubes and sold it as Stevil's Super-Duper TIM Compound. Coulda made a fortune. :lol:

Keep us advised on this. Kinda need some comparative temps.

I like your socket insulation idea too. But how hard is this stuff to clean off? Silicone grease comes right off with contact cleaner. :confused:

avout the same as2 for consistancy.

I just use a rag for cleaning it off, nothing special.

As to making money.. well i've got another idea for that :D

Updates on testing? :D

How well do you think the core of an A64 would stand up to the H/S being soldered on? Seeing as it's covered by a thin heatspreader?
Silly idea?

Heatsink being soldered to WHAT - to the core or to the IHS? The IHS is not thin, FYI.

Well if you can figure a way to solder using temps lower than 85c you might have something interesting...

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Originally Posted by Rippthrough

How well do you think the core of an A64 would stand up to the H/S being soldered on? Seeing as it's covered by a thin heatspreader?
Silly idea?

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LBJGH - temps around 100c should be fine for a short period. I have some solder that can be melted with a lighter easily.

Not much to update really. Might have a result tomarrow from trevor (guy at local computer store I gave a sample to) if I remember to call him tomarrow.

I know you can get some that melt at ~40*c (not much use), and around ~70*c (this one would be useful). But they are fairly expensive. Then again you only need a tiny amount.
There's a more common one which melts at ~100*c.

LBJGH
As long as the CPU is off, it's ok to expose to about 150C. It has to be even, though, so soldering won't work - temperature differences are baaad.

A low temperature oven should do it.
End of evap mounting problems though surely?