my first Cascade is born :-)

On Fri Jan 27 2006 i decided to build my first cascade!
i bought two nice comps from a friend and a plate hx from egay. the rest is from cold_ice who was and is a great help!

here are the parts that i used:

1st stage:
Mitsubishi RH-421-VH (rotary)
Verflüssiger: 0,88kW
30g Filter/Dryer
evap: PlateHX 4kW
refrigerant: R507
.7mm captube

2nd stage:
Rotary 7200BTU
Condenser: PlateHX 4kW
30g Filter/Dryer
selfmade evap
.7mm captube
refrigerant: R1150

the first idea of how i could arrange it...
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the two compressors on the mounting plate
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i like playing with CAD... :)
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thats gonna be the evap:
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some parts arrived :)
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i'm brazing with propane+oxy, green bottle is nitrogen for purging and pressure testing
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this is the finished cascade, partially insulated, wireing is not done but i only have to connect the cables with the relais...

my cute assistant :P
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a psu for the fan controller and for the relais, the right one is an empty psu case, i will put the relais inside it
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these are two relais, one is missing (sry 4 quality, cell phone nokia 8800 is cool, but cam is really crappy)
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the danfoss kp17, 2nd stage high pressure cut off
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desuperheater, 1st stage compressor, some piping and the condensor with 230V fan
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left upper corner of pic: here goes the cap into the suction line...
right ... oil sep
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insulating was hell!
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the front, forgot to rotate the pic CCW
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front view
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overview...
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here is a plan of the electric wireing of the cascade
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i had the idea (i know, some did already before i did) of building a box, which is filled with nitrogen, where the mobo is mounted inside, so that i wont have condensate...
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i hope you like it, and way more important, i hope i will crack the -100°C with that thing :D

any questions, tips ... ?

Nice work ;)

I hope it cracks the -100ºC too :)

Nice work, specially that table for mobo is nice inovation :)

I wish You have better cam :D

Regards
Peter

looks good

good luck :)

Very nice.:clap: I have a ways to go before i can build(afford) my first cascade. How much do you figure was your grand total? (without tools)

I hope you mean you braze with propane+oxy and not purge

WOW:eek:

Nice Cat:cat:


:up:

mmmmm......cascade :) nice work, quality parts

great work dude (including drawings), but yeah u need a good camera :)

Nice work. But dude, drop the ISO on your camera to atleast 200 ><

nice man, to bad with the pics, would like to see it with better quality, but i know how it is, i also just have a :banana::banana::banana::banana:tycam

nice work mate. Hope the temp it pulls backs up the effort.:clap: :clap:

I dont think its a shiity camera. from the looks of it if his ISO is set prety high. Check what it is set at, if pics will still look like this with it set to 200 then yea its the cam, but that will probbably fix it.

thanks for your comendation!
this is a handycam, i really dont know how to set anything except the nightmode (which is quite worse)...

i just borrowed a digital camera from a friend, i think i will make a small vid where you can see 360° of the cascade... (and maybe the cat :D )

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Originally Posted by Unknown_road

I hope you mean you braze with propane+oxy and not purge

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yes i meant brazing (sometimes i mix some words up :slapass: )

looking good :)

how many plates is that HX ?

it has got 12 plates ~4kW (should be enough)

i edited the wireing plan. here's the new one:

hey man NICE work, good luck with it....if you have cold_Ice helping you it'll be a success for sure!!! And yeah I think you are rivaling and maybe surpassing Gray mole on the photography front :p: haha Just kidding man, keep up the awesome work!

Brandon J

thanks man! i know, i definately need a digi cam...

Nice job...
Thats one sexy :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:... cat...

right now 2nd stage is beeing evacuated.
later on i'll charge the it with propane (just 4 fun)...

i have done a little change at the electrics, i took the one relais out of the 230V circuit, so that the whole control circuit is 12V which is much better!

so here you have some pics...

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yes, yes, yes ... i hate the cam too :( (send me money, and i will buy a casio exilim ex-s600 ;D)

nothing wrong with the cam, just whiny people who seem to think we need ultra high clear pics to share builds.

Does the job what more do you need?

Looks great my friend :toast:

nice work :) I like that wood case.

finally i did somthing again :)

the compressor (l'unite aj5513e, very strong one) got broken (dont know why, but there is a connection between the motor coils and ground... :() .. so i ordered a new one (found a nice rotary on ebay.
last week i got my new rotary. i'm happy with it:

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chaos in the workshop :roll:
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temp :) ... refrigerant is R290 yet, in few weeks R404a/R507a
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Frozen...
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1. the rotary compressor get very hot, but i think thats normal...
2. i mistook the oil-filling-port and the discharge port. is that very bad or is it unimportant?

i had already temps in the range of -55 to -50 but i didnt take a foto (suction pressure ~ -0,3bar to -0,2)


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a few days ago i decided to redo the whole unit. i had a monoblock from ebay, and i took the rotary out of it. i redid all the piping and replaced the filters. i changed the system in both stages from captube to TEV (1st) and CPEV (2nd). i like rotaries, coz threy're smaller, but more powerful than reciproaking piston...

pics without any comment :) :

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i insulated everything, except the piping where the TEV and CPEV is supposed to be.

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http://images.godmod.net/kokue/evap/Bild042.jpg :D

Wohoo, nice! Looking forward to see this one working.

even i thought that thing wouldn't get finished....

but in the past 3 days i worked a little bit on the sweet baby :D

changes so far:

first and second stage compressor is a r407c rotary (~7200 and ~6800BTU). captube on both stages.

I just charged the first stage to look wehter everything works right. second stage is beeing evacuated.

ND pressure is very low, HD too. I charged the first stage to ND-0,3/HD+16,5.
capillary is 225cm long (TC-26).


evacuating . . . . . .
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1st stage running, 2nd stage evacuating
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1st stage hx temp. 2nd stage off
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running pressures 1st stage
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Static pressure of 1st stage (too high.. especially for 15°C ambient temp :rolleyes:)
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temperature at HX (measured at suction outlet of hx from 1st stage)
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sweeet :slobber:
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last but least the evap temp (idle) :toast:
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i have got high pressure cut of, but for tests now its not connected. for bench use and unattended use ill install it.

Scary build...how you tell where stuff is

did you stay with R1150 in second stage

well done on the -105 bet that felt good

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did you stay with R1150 in second stage

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yes. pure ethene, but undercharged, because i havent got enough! *cry*

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well done on the -105 bet that felt good

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yes! that felt VERY good :) :banana:

edit: ethene, not ethane.

Very nice :) Love the 'smoke' on the evap, hehe.. But you got ethane in there? That's R170.

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Very nice :) Love the 'smoke' on the evap, hehe.. But you got ethane in there? That's R170.

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of course ethene. i mistyped...
R1150.
i'm afraid i'll have to buy a 5L ethene bottle... :(
cannbot afford that now :(

Lovely build godmod, good (amazing) job, show to as loaded temps :)

Nice cascade!

But im still unsure about the gas? Is it Ethylene (R1150), Ethane (R170), or that Ethene? Or was that a typo?

Ethene is Ethylene. and thats what im using. the A in ethane was a typo.. i ment ethene.

2nd stage gas is R1150 !

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Ethene is Ethylene. and thats what im using. the A in ethane was a typo.. i ment ethene.

2nd stage gas is R1150 !

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Ah cool :D!

Nice work but on serious question to ask?

What are you going to use it on?

MB, CPU...have you decided?

no. i think i'll hook it up on my E6600...
but i built this just for the fun of building :)

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no. i think i'll hook it up on my E6600...
but i built this just for the fun of building :)

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Well good for you, absolutely beautiful work.
If you got nothing to do with it, I'll take it. :D

Nice one. Especially liking the CAD drawing. Congrats on -105.

the unit is finished. i installed an expansion tank to decrease static presure and and a removed some piping on High side od the 2nd stage to reduce hd volume.
i have to tune it yet, but i'm out of ethylene :(

new assistant :D

Nice picture ;) and nice temps too...

regards

Ive got nice assistant too ! Welcome inda club, hehe !

out of ethylene really sucks, I know that feeling ;/