That's what I am talking the no cold bug

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03-11-2006, 10:01 PM
Onepagebook

That's what I am talking the no cold bug

CPU :4600+
LDBHE 0540 VPMW
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8311/4600vpmw3np.jpg

unload with PCICE Cascade -100c reading:

bios: -70 core temp:

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4...apn100c3sd.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/255...oretemp5pt.jpg

loaded with 3d05, 300htt 1:1:

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4...0p3d05a2gw.jpg

3d03 as well

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8...0p3d03a4cu.jpg

working on 3d06, but most likely I would like to wait until next Monday to run "OPB edition DDR520 2gb set 2-3-2" with that.
03-11-2006, 10:02 PM
Major

Nice going !! I'll bet your a happy camper :toast:

You seem to have alot of luck with 4600 ! ;)
03-11-2006, 10:16 PM
blind_ripper

nice none coldbug there , hope to have the same here with my 4400+ :D still need to test max htt under -30°.then dice the cpu ^^ , can boot @ -42°c core in windows max with mach2 @ cpu stock :D
03-11-2006, 10:20 PM
JasonDTM

Nice kevin.... any plans on going balls to the wall? :D
03-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonDTM

Nice kevin.... any plans on going balls to the wall? :D

Oh ya jason,let's wait and see, lots of something going on, Dave is gonna send me Sual head cascade soon, dual -100c..
03-11-2006, 10:31 PM
Absolute_0

whoa OPB, that is one nice chip, -70c core! No bug at all, that's wicked, long live LDBHE. Now, give it some volts! You got plenty of cold ;)
03-11-2006, 10:34 PM
zabomb4163

think you can pass jason?
03-11-2006, 10:37 PM
Onepagebook

well you run it and you will know, that's 20 c delta when star to finish

forgot to post this:

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/loaded.jpg
03-11-2006, 10:45 PM
runmc

Great Cascade - way to go Dave. Nice find on the chip OPB:slobber: Now lets see your magic;)
03-11-2006, 10:46 PM
JasonDTM

Wish I had money for a guranteed LDBHE 3800 X2, Kevin, you're making me want to take up Capt. Insano's offer on "testing" a PC Ice LN2/Dice container.

But anyways, keep up the good results ;)
03-11-2006, 11:37 PM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonDTM

Wish I had money for a guranteed LDBHE 3800 X2, Kevin, you're making me want to take up Capt. Insano's offer on "testing" a PC Ice LN2/Dice container.

But anyways, keep up the good results ;)

Thanks the old bro Ron,

Jason, you absoultely need to play that..:toast:
03-12-2006, 02:35 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Wow that's nice for 1.4v :slobber:

And I want a pair of those sticks too lol!

It would be really really interesting to see that chip under stock air, water, single stage, all max stable at 1.4v. Just to see how MHz/volt scales with temperature.

I nearly started a thread about temp differentials under cold too. That's 30C between evap and core when idle - what's your thermal offset? i.e. what is the most accurate figure? If you get it naked, that figure will drop, right?

Only asking because I have CDBHE 4600 under SS (which has no sign of coldbug at all grin).
03-12-2006, 03:38 AM
Kesnel

:slobber:

Looking forward to more reults. :toast:

Would it be reasonable to expect other 'BH' steppings to be without coldbug?
03-12-2006, 06:27 AM
Dumo

Wow, another strong 4600 OPB:toast:

Mine need better mobo.....Heres 4800 with a 'little' bug:)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/167/113wc.jpg
03-12-2006, 06:51 AM
v0dka

Wow very nice! Congrats!
03-12-2006, 07:12 AM
GoThr3k

OPB is that voltage right??
only 1.4V??
that would be amazing, i want a chip like that :)
03-12-2006, 07:20 AM
Dani

Nice CPU you got there!
..are you on Venus, EXPERT or Ultra-D? :)
03-12-2006, 08:16 AM
Piotrsama

So you could try LN2 on it? or not?
03-12-2006, 08:36 AM
kiwi

Nice! How many X2s did you try before finding the right one? :D
03-12-2006, 03:12 PM
Onepagebook

So far, I played 17 x2, 19 fx57, 9 OPtron
only 0530 tpmw 170 is the good one, others ...no comment
x2 no cold bug---> Adbhe 4600+ ,LDBHE 0540vpmw no CB.
FX57, 0520MPMW, 0522TPMW, 0524 VPMW all w/o CB

FX60.. All I can say is some of them(ACB2E) 0536 spmw or wpmw do NOT have CB.

@ Dani bro,
I was on the Venus...and I start feeling that someone's DS/DDS theory is BIG BIG BS...
IF you feel not good for the BIOS on Expert, go flash the Venus BIOS into Expert.
NP at all.;)

Sorry about typo..
03-12-2006, 03:21 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

IF you feel not good for the BIOS on Expert, go flash the expert BIOS into Venus.
NP at all.;)

you mean use Venus bios with Expert without issues :eek: pls confirm this dude or show results with your expert :p: :eek:
03-12-2006, 03:24 PM
dinos22

in terms of that CPU...............great find once again OPB

i would actually test it with LN2 to be 100% about no cold bug :D i mean it can't hurt to have a dual core benchable in 3.6/3.7Ghz territory :toast:
03-12-2006, 03:41 PM
psy^

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

[COLOR="Red"]go flash the expert BIOS into Venus.
NP at all.;)

I think he means the other way around dinos
03-12-2006, 03:45 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by psy^

I think he means the other way around dinos

when you think about it........if one can use the other's bios there should be no reason why the latter cannot use former's bios too.........i'd say you can go either way.....would like confirmation from OPB
03-12-2006, 03:54 PM
kLLa142

OPB didnt you already have an awesome 4600+ that got killed by the eXpert?
03-12-2006, 04:35 PM
psy^

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

when you think about it........if one can use the other's bios there should be no reason why the latter cannot use former's bios too.........i'd say you can go either way.....would like confirmation from OPB

Considering nf3 250gb bios works pretty fine on nf3 ultra-d, i'd say you're right.

You'll have to ask DeNs about that one though heh :p:
03-12-2006, 05:29 PM
Cpt Twitchy

Quote:

Originally Posted by kLLa142

OPB didnt you already have an awesome 4600+ that got killed by the eXpert?

It was victim to one of the early experts taht had some voltage regulation problems. The 4600+ along wiht a FX57 but I think his new 4600+ is nearly as strong if not more.
03-12-2006, 06:02 PM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

in terms of that CPU...............great find once again OPB

i would actually test it with LN2 to be 100% about no cold bug :D i mean it can't hurt to have a dual core benchable in 3.6/3.7Ghz territory :toast:

I think I can do 3.6g, just wanna confirm I can do that before I post anything
I won't hide anything without sharing.

** yes, S7e93hn and I have done that. try or not is up to you guys;)
03-12-2006, 06:05 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

** yes, S7e93hn and I have done that. try or not is up to you guys;)

Expert became Venus :D any improvements that you can tell at all

great chip there dude :eek: 3.6 :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
03-12-2006, 06:06 PM
Onepagebook

well, it might be the way improved by DS/DDS
03-12-2006, 06:11 PM
[XC] moddolicous

I cant beleive through this whole thread no-one took notice of the OPB special edition 2gb set (2-3-2) @ 260. Its truly a race to 20k. With those cards under some LN2, you could get 20k!
03-12-2006, 06:13 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

well, it might be the way improved by DS/DDS

care to explain pls
03-12-2006, 06:15 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by moddolicous

I cant beleive through this whole thread no-one took notice of the OPB special edition 2gb set (2-3-2) @ 260. Its truly a race to 20k. With those cards under some LN2, you could get 20k!

didn't see that BUT i did see a 3D stable 2GB kit of RAM running at DDR600 :toast:
03-12-2006, 07:39 PM
dinos22

i bought a BH CPU today....i'll see how this one goes on the weekend under single stage phase :)...........anyone clocked these under phase

ADA3800DAA5BV
CDBHE 0527UPAW
03-12-2006, 07:44 PM
Cpt Twitchy

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

i bought a BH CPU today....i'll see how this one goes on the weekend under single stage phase :)...........anyone clocked these under phase

ADA3800DAA5BV
CDBHE 0527UPAW

Chew might of. I kow he has played with a 3800+ under phase. If not I'm losing my mind once again.
03-12-2006, 07:47 PM
dogsx2

Quote:

Originally Posted by moddolicous

I cant beleive through this whole thread no-one took notice of the OPB special edition 2gb set (2-3-2) @ 260. Its truly a race to 20k. With those cards under some LN2, you could get 20k!

Quote:

working on 3d06, but most likely I would like to wait until next Monday to run "OPB edition DDR520 2gb set 2-3-2" with that.

Maybe because he's not going to run them until Monday. Hard to talk too much about them until we see the benches.
03-12-2006, 07:55 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

i bought a BH CPU today....i'll see how this one goes on the weekend under single stage phase :)...........anyone clocked these under phase

ADA3800DAA5BV
CDBHE 0527UPAW

here we go again :)
03-12-2006, 07:55 PM
Absolute_0

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

i bought a BH CPU today....i'll see how this one goes on the weekend under single stage phase :)...........anyone clocked these under phase

ADA3800DAA5BV
CDBHE 0527UPAW

I ran my CDBHE 0526 under phase. 3 Ghz very easily, 3.1 with some volts.
03-12-2006, 08:37 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

here we go again :)

my first phase attempt so not sure about again bit heheheheheh
i'm kinda kicking myself cause i could have also bought a mousepot (i think kyle's one it was) but didn't really show enough interest D'oh!

absolut0....that's good to know :toast:
03-12-2006, 08:45 PM
NiSMo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy

It was victim to one of the early experts taht had some voltage regulation problems. The 4600+ along wiht a FX57 but I think his new 4600+ is nearly as strong if not more.

wat revision was this that had voltage regulation problems? im gettin my DFI expert soon... dont wanna be a victim...
03-12-2006, 08:56 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

my first phase attempt so not sure about again bit heheheheheh
i'm kinda kicking myself cause i could have also bought a mousepot (i think kyle's one it was) but didn't really show enough interest D'oh!

absolut0....that's good to know :toast:

i mean yet another cpu purchase :D
03-12-2006, 09:06 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

you mean use Venus bios with Expert without issues :eek: pls confirm this dude or show results with your expert :p: :eek:

The Expert runs fine with the Venus bios. Here's just a little test with a crappy 4600+ and the ExpeNus (Expert using the Venus bios..lol):

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1504/12x2658m2dy.jpg

TCCD isn't a problem either @ 1:1 -

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7049/11x3008jj.jpg

Please excuse the garbage cpu - I'm just using it until I get a special FX60. Tomorrow I'll try another ADV4400 ACBWE..............
03-12-2006, 09:13 PM
Onepagebook

there are lots of Acbwe or ADBHE on ebay right now..
03-12-2006, 09:22 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

i mean yet another cpu purchase :D

oh :doh: it's all your fault dude :slapass: :D

nice ExpeNus you got there s7 :D

can you or OPB pls tackle this comment in some meaningful detail here or PM whichever pleases you :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

well, it might be the way improved by DS/DDS
03-12-2006, 09:50 PM
STEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

The Expert runs fine with the Venus bios. Here's just a little test with a crappy 4600+ and the ExpeNus (Expert using the Venus bios..lol) snip/snip

does that mean its a girly board now?? :eek:
03-12-2006, 10:16 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

oh :doh: it's all your fault dude :slapass: :D

nice ExpeNus you got there s7 :D

can you or OPB pls tackle this comment in some meaningful detail here or PM whichever pleases you :)

DS/DDS = Drive Strength/Data Drive Strength. OPB's referring to how the Venus bios sets these values differently than the "conventional" Expert settings. In the Venus bios, it seems that Drive Strength values 1-4 correspond to 5-8 on the Expert. As a result, I'm running a DS/DDS of 3/3 on the Venus bios - > which corresponds to 7/3 in the Expert's bios.....
03-12-2006, 10:18 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

does that mean its a girly board now?? :eek:

Nah, it just means that the board's now set so it can't d1ck me around anymore :p:
03-12-2006, 10:56 PM
mag|c

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Nah, it just means that the board's now set so it can't d1ck me around anymore :p:

what do mean by that steven? :confused:
does the eXpert have any benefit of the venus bios? :D

anyway kick some ass kevin! :slapass: :toast: :clap: :woot:
03-12-2006, 11:30 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by mag|c

what do mean by that steven? :confused:
does the eXpert have any benefit of the venus bios? :D

anyway kick some ass kevin! :slapass: :toast: :clap: :woot:

Doesn't mean anything....the bios doesn't do any "miracles" for the Expert board besides giving it a different boot screen :D

OPB's currently playing with his FX60 on his single stage. Things look promising so far ;)
03-13-2006, 12:12 AM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Doesn't mean anything....the bios doesn't do any "miracles" for the Expert board besides giving it a different boot screen :D

OPB's currently playing with his FX60 on his single stage. Things look promising so far ;)

so basically venus and expert pretty much perform the same according to you
03-13-2006, 12:48 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

so basically venus and expert pretty much perform the same according to you

Well, the BIOSes seem to perform similarly - in no way was I suggesting the BOARDS performed equally.
03-13-2006, 01:30 AM
Highland3r

More success from the LBDHE's under cold :D

Have an LBDHE 0601 UPMH (its with Persivore for testing atm) which runs 2.9ghz SP2004 stable @ 1.5v (water) can't wait to get it under SS/DICE :D

*MIGHT* be able to get some more LBDHE 0601 chips if people are interested... Depends if the shop we got this chip has any more in stock...
Otherwise, those in the UK wanting chips pop to "PC world" (shudder) thats where we found this... Cost a little over the odds, but you get to choose the stepping before you buy...
03-13-2006, 01:43 AM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Well, the BIOSes seem to perform similarly - in no way was I suggesting the BOARDS performed equally.

so there is no point flashing right?.....if there are any noticable differences apart from cosmetics let us know hey
03-13-2006, 02:01 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highland3r

More success from the LBDHE's under cold :D

Have an LBDHE 0601 UPMH (its with Persivore for testing atm) which runs 2.9ghz SP2004 stable @ 1.5v (water) can't wait to get it under SS/DICE :D

*MIGHT* be able to get some more LBDHE 0601 chips if people are interested... Depends if the shop we got this chip has any more in stock...
Otherwise, those in the UK wanting chips pop to "PC world" (shudder) thats where we found this... Cost a little over the odds, but you get to choose the stepping before you buy...

CDBHE's and LDBHE's are everywhere to be found ;) You definately shouldn't allow them to charge you a premium for those steppings. Basically just look for any 2x512K L2 Cache Cpu with an OPN that ends in "BV" and that cpu should be a "BH" memory controller :toast:
03-13-2006, 02:29 AM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

@ Dani bro,
I was on the Venus...and I start feeling that someone's DS/DDS theory is BIG BIG BS...
IF you feel not good for the BIOS on Expert, go flash the Venus BIOS into Expert.
NP at all.;)

THX for that, nice to hear about Venus BIOS to EXPERT, maybe my odd VDIMM is gone with that, dont know..
Do you have something to say, if so visit -> here please

What about DS/DDS on EXPERT with Venus BIOS, is it still same EXPERT DS/DDS or has it changed to Venus DS/DDS?
:toast:
03-13-2006, 06:07 AM
esdee

onepagebook thats a really nice 4600. hope it really has no cold bug at all.

can you do a little test for me? test how high (with a small multi) can you go on HTT, no matter the mem divider

my guess is that if you can do now lets say 380htt @ -65 CPU temp @ -100 cpu temp (LN2) your max htt will be ~300.

:toast: good luck
03-13-2006, 07:33 AM
mongoled

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

CDBHE's and LDBHE's are everywhere to be found ;) You definately shouldn't allow them to charge you a premium for those steppings. Basically just look for any 2x512K L2 Cache Cpu with an OPN that ends in "BV" and that cpu should be a "BH" memory controller :toast:

PC World (they are a UK nationwide store), dont charge premium for stepping, they charge a premium for everything :eek: . Or put it another way, there prices in General really take the biscuit, its a store for the masses, and the masses dont really know when they are getting ripped off.....

:(
03-13-2006, 08:43 AM
Mr_Slinky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

there are lots of Acbwe or ADBHE on ebay right now..

arent those the "ES" of amd the engie samples?
might be worth a look at! :confused:
03-13-2006, 08:48 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Slinky

arent those the "ES" of amd the engie samples?
might be worth a look at! :confused:

He's talking outta his ass :p: There isn't anything there that looks promising. In fact I've messaged a couple of the sellers who were showing the "A" stepping cpu's in their descriptions only to have them tell me that the pic ISN'T of the actual cpu which is for sale :rolleyes:
03-13-2006, 09:06 AM
Highland3r

Quote:

Originally Posted by mongoled

PC World (they are a UK nationwide store), dont charge premium for stepping, they charge a premium for everything :eek: . Or put it another way, there prices in General really take the biscuit, its a store for the masses, and the masses dont really know when they are getting ripped off.....

:(

They do have some good deals though ;) Premium was worth it to get a decent clocking chip like this too
03-13-2006, 10:10 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

CDBHE 4600s seem to have not heard of the cold-bug. This is nothing like my CCBWE. Indeed, inspired by OPB I've been playing at a lower level:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=78728 @ -51C evap, -32C CPU (indicated), screenie available. Wonder if 428x7 is feasible? If you don't see any more from me.... :D

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=78742 well, after a CMOS clear (7.5x to be avoided) and it didn't like any 7x, 400x8 it had to be. -48C evap, -29C CPU (indicated), screenie to follow. :toast:
03-13-2006, 12:36 PM
CCUABIDExORxDIE

awesome job OPB, i wonder what my LDBHE 4200+ would do under dice or a nice cascade like yours.
03-13-2006, 02:31 PM
stone_cold_Jimi

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With a bit of luck, there'll be a screenie of my 3.3v rail caving in. At 415x8 lol. No time for validation unfortunately, and not reproducible now, but I'll try with a cold rig tomorrow. Thanks OPB, I've a great laugh with this tonight because of your thread. :D
03-13-2006, 02:32 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone_cold_Jimi

CDBHE 4600s seem to have not heard of the cold-bug. This is nothing like my CCBWE. Indeed, inspired by OPB I've been playing at a lower level:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=78728 @ -51C evap, -32C CPU (indicated), screenie available. Wonder if 428x7 is feasible? If you don't see any more from me.... :D

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=78742 well, after a CMOS clear (7.5x to be avoided) and it didn't like any 7x, 400x8 it had to be. -48C evap, -29C CPU (indicated), screenie to follow. :toast:

i normally use 6xmulti for HTT testing......well all i ever test for is up to 400MHz........if it does that i'm happy........and both my Expert and UltraD have no issues doing that........

your results are remarkable as it is under extreme cold :toast: I will test my BH CPU for cold bug..........i think i can probably get it to -40C idle without raising the volts we'll see

DUDE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR 3.3V RAIL :eek: .....looks like a bug or something hey
03-13-2006, 02:43 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

I will test my BH CPU for cold bug.........

Don't bother, it won't have one :)
03-13-2006, 02:48 PM
stone_cold_Jimi

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

DUDE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR 3.3V RAIL :eek: .....looks like a bug or something hey

"I'm gonna need a bigger boat". Sadly, these CoolerMasters have a bit of a rep with full-power nosediving - I think they've sorted it with the SLi version.

Yeah, my E6 3800 couldn't do more than 290HTT with any multi with those temps - this core's on another planet. I didn't try 6x because 7.5x forced a CMOS reset and 7x didn't boot... so I thought to hell with it, stick with 8x. Gave me the greatest amusement, anyway.
03-13-2006, 02:51 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Don't bother, it won't have one :)

that's abold statement

how come none of you people are freezing them with LN2 and -198C or whatever the boil temp is
03-13-2006, 02:56 PM
esdee

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone_cold_Jimi

With a bit of luck, there'll be a screenie of my 3.3v rail caving in. At 415x8 lol. No time for validation unfortunately, and not reproducible now, but I'll try with a cold rig tomorrow. Thanks OPB, I've a great laugh with this tonight because of your thread. :D

now thats a CPU that really like cold

the problem is it's multi now.if you had unlocked multis you could easily run this chip on ln2 at it's lowest temps. if your cpu can do 300mhz @ ln2 then you should have some nice ln2 runs.

unlocked multis are such an advantage of FX chips. even if you are cold buged at a given temp at 270htt you can still use the next multi!
03-13-2006, 03:35 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

that's abold statement

how come none of you people are freezing them with LN2 and -198C or whatever the boil temp is

Trust me, if you've seen as many of these BH controllers as I have, you'd feel the same way as me ;)

LN2 isn't necessary since we'll hit a point where the cpu simply won't clock any faster because the silicon just isn't capable of it. Basically, the cpu will max out speed-wise before even the -150C mark is reached.....
03-13-2006, 03:37 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Trust me, if you've seen as many of these BH controllers as I have, you'd feel the same way as me ;)

LN2 isn't necessary since we'll hit a point where the cpu simply won't clock any faster because the silicon just isn't capable of it. Basically, the cpu will max out speed-wise before even the -150C mark is reached.....

why not just try for the hell of it :D
03-14-2006, 12:25 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Do you think popping the top on this chip would be advantageous?
03-14-2006, 01:01 AM
alpha0ne

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

and both my Expert and UltraD have no issues doing
that........

When did you buy an eXpert ????? why wasnt I told :confused: :rolleyes: :D
03-14-2006, 03:22 AM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

What about DS/DDS on EXPERT with Venus BIOS, is it still same EXPERT DS/DDS or has it changed to Venus DS/DDS?
:toast:

Can someone confirm this to me:stick:
03-14-2006, 03:44 AM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpha0ne

When did you buy an eXpert ????? why wasnt I told :confused: :rolleyes: :D

mang mine was one of the first expert mobos that was sold in arsetralia dude
03-14-2006, 07:13 AM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

Can someone confirm this to me:stick:

no it's way more diff.
03-14-2006, 01:58 PM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

no it's way more diff.

What ever that means, THX :)
03-14-2006, 02:12 PM
Onepagebook

Ozzimark, I did it again:D

working on 3.55g ~3.6g 3d stable ATM..

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2497/4600pwr8zv.jpg

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