http://www.swiftnets.com/products/storm-r2.asp
Very interesting idea, what do you think?
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http://www.swiftnets.com/products/storm-r2.asp
Very interesting idea, what do you think?
If they would cut second outlet in upper coat that would increase flow through the block making it less restrictive - like Antarctica.
So Nicksterr (I think it was him) was right after all...
I'm amazed, swiftech did an optimization on there own.
Isn't that taken from the G7?
Huh, they didn't forget Storm, glad to see that ;) I hope we'll see some new radiators soon (Maybe MCR-320?) w/ low price and DDC-Plus based pump
hopefully the price drops again.
If I ever get one for some wierd reason, like I get money in excess amounts, I'd drill thru that extra spot and get dual barbs going.
You should really take a look at the G7 thread over at OCAU. Cathar explains why he didn't go with dual outlets in the thread. The internal combining is the same as using a 'Y' adapter outside the block.... makes for a cleaner installation and just as effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
Suffice to say that Swiftec didn't really come up with this optimization on their own.... Cathar had shown the world this feature several months ago on the G7.
Waiting impatiently for March 1st for Swiftech's comparison. Hopefully it won't be complete crap since they should be comparing the old Storm to Rev. 2. Max get your test rig running and put this new block through its paces so that we can all have an unbiased look at it.
How much will it cost ?
If i had a storm, I'd run paralel 50z's from a single res, each pump into a Y into the storm and out to seperate rads then back to the res. The storm woudl benefit from so much flow/velocity/head.
lol.. far from it. as others have said, Stew did this with the G7 a number of months ago.. Swiftech has just now gotten the siwftech version of the G7 mods done and ready for sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by noob of 1337
Anyway, its nice to see that Swiftech is keeping up with Stews advances with regards to the Storm
What you just described is the poster child for a parallel system, and is totaly useless for the storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by noob of 1337
^^^ I wonder if the top and midplate will be available for purchase at a discounted price for existing storm owners :/
I asked gabe just that and he said yeah, hell let me know when theyve counted how many spares they have.
creidiki: Please keep us informed on when we can get the new top and midplate. I just got my Storm 2 weeks ago and would like to have the new pieces w/out having to throw down a chunk of cash. Thanks for getting us this info. it really eases my mind to know that we can hopefully upgrade.
I'm from Bulgaria and I purchased my Storm with so much efforts, but now I want the new plates. Why Swiftech doesn't ships internationally?
Well guys my rev.2 Storm will be here tomorrow (22nd Feb). I'll take pics and post 'em on here. I will post my new results asap but you have to keep in mind my setup and the hardware I'm using before you make your assumptions.
Maxxx will be able to provide much more error-free results im sure.
Ugg. Just got my Storm the other day too...
Hope that midplate's a lot cheaper than the rest of the unit was..
why do i suspect we're talking well below the 1C margin here? just getting a good mount will be more benificial than a new top plate.
lol bloody.. u do have a point.. BUT with a good mount and the new top plate you could get 2C instead of one 1... thats twice the performance ;)
I suppose that might depend on your system in general. Any comments from the real WC champs?
I'm not shure of this, but the the biggest difference between this and the original will be on systems with many blocks and or systems with weak pumps.
and in my experience, getting a mount is nearly a miracle, much less a good mount :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
every little bit does help, though. I'm just waaaay too cheap to shell out the money for it (the original parts were not with my money ;) )
Are you robbing little old laddies again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody_Sorcerer
i hope by "laddies" you mean "ladies" ;)
and if you want to call my parents that, then sure. twas my birthday present from when i turned 16 6 or so months ago
i'm definitely not pulling a max bialystock :)
Here, you can compare Cathar's own G7 prototype pictures to the Swiftech plates. :)
http://www.employees.org/~slf/g7/
Mike, it looks to me like swiftech did a little extra flow optimizing with the rev2 plate compared to the G7.
lol bloody.. ya i meant ladies..
Looks very similar IMO.
indeed it is, but in the Swiftec version, the inlet and oultets of the channels are larger than the rest of the channel to facilitate flow.
Well, got the Storm rev.2 early!
Here you go:
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9ldhy.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9le76.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9ledl.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9lehj.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9leoj.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9leug.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9lf1u.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9lf7s.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/o9lglf.jpg
Very nice, give us some results.
sexy,
keep us posted!
anyone knows who sells these tops and for how much?
Cheers
sexay beast
so if you have swiftech storm rev1, can you just purchase the 2 layers that are different than rev1?
If swiftech has extras.. yes. atleast thats what I percieved from gabes previous statement.
It could also have meant that the midplates are for sale and that any extras willl be sent out for free to current storm owners, so long as they contact siwftech and request one.
you can now buy the upgrade kits for $53.50 :eek:
http://www.swiftnets.com/store/category.asp?CatID=2
http://www.swiftnets.com/store/produ...asp?ProdID=407
they maybe a little steep, but i'd still like to order one
rip off... :mad:
manufacturing wise price is "ok" but still a lot since a new one costs 85$...
maybe swiftech could receive old tops and machine them for less price ?... ok... now i'll stop dreaming :D
yikes... thats a bit steep for the plates.. but I must admit most of the machine time involved in the storm is from the midplates and not the baseplates.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
Man thats an Bullshiet Price. RIP OFF!!!
ya know how big [ID] the nozzles are?
do u mean the 35 small ones?
Nice one Nicksterr.
I look forward to seeing some sort of comparison between it and the old revision. I wounder if RoboTech is getting his hands on one?
I am getting my hands on one and will do a comparison between it and the Storm Rev1 as well as 7 other blocks.
good to hear... $53 is way too much for me, i might as well sell my Storm and get an entire new one...
$53 is too much for me too, the two I have now were less than that shipped for the whole schmagig.
-pickles
Thats 30£ when the whole block cost me 50£ >.>"
Guess I wont be getting one now, heh!
50 pounds! thats about 90 dollars.. what a rip.. Glad im in the US.
Ah, but how much is a PA over there? Cause over here theyre cheaper than a BIP...
PA's are up the but expensive.. dam import exports..
~80-89 for the PA160.. 120-130 for the PA120.3
47£ for a 120.1, 51£ for a 120.2, 55£ for a 120.3 ^^
So you see, you win some you lose some ;p
I just paid €60 for a second hand storm and I'm gonna pay about €80 for an AQX 50Z. WC prices in europe can suck my fat one...
At least my PA will be kind of cheap-ish.
Yeah, european watercooling prices isn't funny at all. Translated to USD my Swiftech Storm Rev 1 cost me about 100$+ I'm not kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonOfTheFall
I also paid more than 100$ for my Storm rev1 and now if I want to take the rev 2 plates I'll have to pay more than 70$ :nono:
yeah, or are they too small to measure?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
possibly. i will try my caliper on them tonight when I get home.
I was going to buy a Storm, so I guess I have to wait for rev. 2.
creidiki: Do you know some good and cheap UK shops for watercooling components (Storm, MCP655 and Thermochill PA120.3), that ships inside EU?
Cheers Monge
Check the sticky for UK shops.. i bought my AX stuff from E-P, and my thermochill stuff from O-Cuk... aaaand i cant remember where i got my storm from >.>"
Thanks :) I saw the sticky now.Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
Cheers Monge :toast:
Hey Maxxx, have you tested the blocksyet ? Would be fun to see some results !
vik, I havnt even recieved all of hte blocks, much less all of the equipment yet. lol
Oh, okey then I understand. My bad. :P
A lot of money indeed for a few plates... PS what does PA stand for?
I know it must be a radiator, just don't know the abbreviation :D
I never noticed how few jets the swiftech storm had. How many did the G4 and G% have and how many will the G7 have. I rmemeber counting them all but do not remember and am not in the modd to do so now.
Its not an abbreviation. Its the name of the series of radiators that thermochill makes. Thers the PA series and the HE series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
Swiftech Storm = 35
Storm G4 = 35
Storm G5 = 52 (its ieither 52,51 or 55)
Storm G7 = 117
From CatharQuote:
Just to recap what the G-numbers mean 'cos there's still some confusion over this:
G1 = 1 jet
G2 = 7 jets
G3 = 19 jets
G4 = 35-37 jets (implemented G4 has 35 jets)
G5 = 55-61 jets (implemented G5 has 59 jets)
G6 = 85-91 jets
G7 = 117-127 jets (implemented G7 has 117 jets)
G8 = 155-169 jets (could only machine on aerospace quality equipment)
I have only seen the G4 w/ 35 jets. Are the G5,G6,G7, & G8 special order blocks or are they Cathar's roadmap for WB's to come in the future?
The G1, G2, G3 are theoretical designs, never implemented. Same goes for the G6 and G8. The G5 is a limited run silver waterblock, and the G7 has been prototyped.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCme
He is making a run of the G7's for $229 USD and estimates 35 of the 39 pieces of silver he have will turn out right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
Thanks for the specs on the jets guys. Saved my eyes a lot of ache and for some reason I thought G4 had more jets.
if someone will get me exat dimensions on the diameter of the new hole, exact width and depth of the new grooves, and the diameter and depth of the hole recess, i can mill your rev. 1 plates out.
Yes you are correct. close to 70% of the cost of the storm is in the mid and upper plates. For the record, I truly did not like calculating this MSRP either. It is a painful reminder of how much of a challenge these parts are to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
I read at the beginning of this thread some nasty remarks about who is (is not) the author of this Rev. 2 mod. I posted elsewhere (OC forums maybe, or was it here, I can't actually rmember) that this idea was Stew's. We only got around implementing it once our inventory of the original Storm was exhausted.
The curves should be posted Monday evening. It really is an incremental improvement (read "minor"). But given how restrictive this block is, everything helps in the context of a system.
Cheers
Gabe, would you say its worth getting the new midplates in a loop where the storm is the only majorly restrictive piece?
Is it "worth" it is a very subjective question. In general terms, anything you can do to increase the flow rate in a system using a Storm w/b will improve system performance. In terms of value, the "bang for the buck" factor resulting from an incremental improvement such as Rev 2 is very low. But if money is no object, then Rev 2 remains an improvement, however small. In auto racing people sometimes spend thousands of $ on parts made of Titanium alloy to shave a couple of lbs off the weight of the race car. Is it worth it?Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
The answer really depends on what context you are in :-)
Gabe, thanks for taking the time to respond :toast:
I'll buy the new plate only because it's designed by Stew :bounce:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Thanks Gabe for sharing this info with us.
lol V I P E R.. now that is dedication.. be it blind or otherwise
It doesn't matter so much the price. It will be good to be 20$, but if it can't be we will have to accept it. The performance will be identical I think, but if it is designed by Stew why not buy it. I will want the G7, even that I know that the performance will not differ much from the Storm. This is the limit and it will not change any more, so why not buy the best when it is still available.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
sorry to go slightly off topic
Just a quick a question about the Storms mounting hardware, im currently looking at choices to cool my Dual Opterton 275 machine, currently using 2x swiftech 6002 ( i think thats the name 1/2" dia), the mounting holes on the MSI K8N Master Far2 are infact xeon (603/604) holes, im just wandering if the swiftech comes with all nessersary mounting hardware for Xeon setups, i.e 4 threads 4 springs 4 nuts.
Thanks
Not sure about the rev 2 but no reason to differ from the original version that comes with the 4 threads 4 springs 4 specially sized nuts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smurfy
amen to that m8 http://img252.echo.cx/img252/4391/msmiley18xh.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
yes, the storm comes with all hardware for 603/604. If you need mounting for some other type, contact Swiftech and they will custom make it for you, atleast thats what their website says.
they mention t hat they have Itanium mounts if needed (although im not sure if the storms baseplate is big enough to accomdate the new itanium core)
Does anyone happen to have pictures or (preferably) design specs for the G5/G6/G7/G8? I would be really interested to actually see these things (I know 3 of them havn't been implemented, which is why some design specs would be good). Are they basically just the same thing as the G4 but with smaller pins (smaller so that more can fit in the same area)? Are there material differences beyond the G5 being made of silver (does it have to be silver, or is that just because you might as well use it when you're getting this kind of custom work done?)?
It's sick, but I just bought a G4 and am already looking at what's next for me.. and I'd like to see these to get some ideas as to where the industry is going.
Serra
G5/6/7/8 all would use Silver(no material change), and yes the pins fit in the same area as the pins for the G4, otherwise they would be rather useless.
IIRC, Stew wont release the design specs for his waterblocks. On occasion I have know him to give a few details about certain specifications about the Storm, but nothing to the extent that you would be able to make a working copy of it.
Lets jsut sit and ponder one thing for second. If they infact have been released then why arent we as consumers able to get the blocks or mid plates. except in a a few rare instances?
- Brandon
Brandon, you can order the midplates from Swiftech, as well as the Storm Rev2, so it has been released. Whether or not the retailers have recieved it yet, I do not know.
Hmm I tried, almighty Maxx...
Can't seem to find anywhere I can just order the midplates...
Only the whole thing...
you can order them from swiftech... atleast thats what gabe said.
They're in their online store for $53.50.
-pickles
that's still pretty expensive for a mid plate... you can order whole waterblocks for that kind of money
tahts why they are 50 dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I understand the reasoning, I still think it's just too expensive for a mid plate.
i dont mind buying it for 40 shipped, but 62 shipped? NO WAY IN HELL!
Mike, while I agree that its too expenisve, think of it this way
Storm is 80 dollars right now..
80*.7 = 56 dollars.. I use this equation because gabe said 70% of the machine time is dedicated to the mid plate.
Another thing to consider.. Acelt is about the same price per volume as copper.. Atleast that is what I found when looking at a few suppliers.
save that money, keep working, pile up the money and then go order yourself a g5/g6/g7 (the silver ones) :P
so, maxx did ya get the measurements they would be extremely helpful while making an impringement block [which i'm doing]
thanks
i doubt you're going to get them. what we do know is 36 jets in the G4, 100-some jets in the G7 (in a space the size of a dime). baseplate has "cups" with little pins in the middle. the jets in the midplate extend into the cups by ??? mm.
which measurement do u want best?
the id of the nozzles
thanks
I'm not saying they aren't justified in charging that price if it's the actual cost. I believe you and Gabe. If I already had a storm block, I don't think I could convince myself to pay for the new mid plate at that price for a probably marginal improvement in performance. If I was buying a new block then I would just get the whole thing together.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer