Nvidia slideshow, can you say...

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02-10-2006, 11:14 AM
ahmad

Nvidia slideshow, can you say...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...LaunchAnalysis

Er.. ehim. :banana:

Lets not forget:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=12

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/..._nvidia_sli_aa

So much for the superior SLI :slapass:

And that 7800GTX 512MB hardlaunch.. (as in, 5 per continent :slap: )

Good for a laugh.

EDIT: I guess I'll put this in for good measure:

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_...bf21600x16.gif

..... is all I have to say. 36FPS vs 85FPS at the settings that really matter for a dual GPU setup. And the worst part is, thats not even the x1900 :stick:
02-10-2006, 11:22 AM
ingentingmendeg

haha, owned.
02-10-2006, 11:24 AM
n00b 0f l337

And the slides with circled numbers... Look at the drivers.
5.13b for ati?
How bout 6.2's.
02-10-2006, 11:29 AM
sin0822

non of this is our data
02-10-2006, 11:36 AM
Hicks

With Dual GPU's at extreme IQ, the ATI cards, piss over SLI.
02-10-2006, 11:48 AM
Turok

nVidia made a slideshow just to brag about the early release and success of the 7800 series, and now that ATi has CF and the x1800 and x1900, they just find excuses to say nVidias verry expensive and scarce 7800 GTX 512mb is better than anything ATi has :stick:

Right now ATi is beating nVidia in speed, IQ, and price.

I think nVidia is having some trouble with the 7900 and are scared of the x1900 series, so they released that slideshow to brainwash some n00bs.
nVidia may be woried that the 7900's performance could be a bit lower than they expected, or the price to produce a 7900 could be really high comapred to the benefits in performance, or availability may be an issue.
02-10-2006, 12:08 PM
Starscream

has alot of similarities with the ATI slides we saw a while ago on techpowerup.

:banana: so maybe ATi and Nvidia use the same company to develop their crappy slideshows.

if they r from nvidia its a really stupid move by em :slap:

hope it doesnt mean that the 7900 sux ass.
02-10-2006, 12:25 PM
turtle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turok

I think nVidia is having some trouble with the 7900 and are scared of the x1900 series, so they released that slideshow to brainwash some n00bs.
nVidia may be woried that the 7900's performance could be a bit lower than they expected, or the price to produce a 7900 could be really high comapred to the benefits in performance, or availability may be an issue.

I agree with your post. I think yields are an issue for one reason or another, not just because vr-zone said so...but the speak of April (March Cebit "launch" former-ATi style) availability now, where it used to be Cebit. That being said, there will prolly be a heck of a lot of 7900gt's (or some lower bin), come march 20th.

I don't know about ya'll, but I was sure a while back this thing was going to stomp the x1900...now I think it might just tiptoe across it. The wind def seems to be changing, at any rate.
02-10-2006, 12:40 PM
perkam

Drivers was the first thing I thought of too...not to mention cf for X19 is quite young.

**NOTICE**

JUST wanted to point out that discussion over the need for the slides or bashing the rationale behind the existence of the slides is counter-constructive. Only dicussion regarding whats in the slides is allowed...all other whining about "Ha !! See Nvidia has slides too !!" belongs in Wamps.

Ahmad, good find. Good for a laugh indeed.

Perkam
02-10-2006, 12:46 PM
n00b 0f l337

Is ther any proof that nvidia actually did these?
02-10-2006, 01:12 PM
perkam

They Missed a slide too ;)

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3...ngslide8fk.jpg

Couldn't Resist :rolleyes:

Perkam
02-10-2006, 01:23 PM
n00b 0f l337

Hahahaha nice one perky!
02-10-2006, 01:32 PM
Pinnacle

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

They Missed a slide too ;)

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3...ngslide8fk.jpg

Couldn't Resist :rolleyes:

Perkam

:devil:
02-10-2006, 02:11 PM
sin0822

nvidia recognizes the existence of these
02-10-2006, 02:31 PM
Cooper

Nice find Perk.
Heh I remember one member selling his GTX512 for about a month here - maybe this chart requires additional column for most wanted :D
02-10-2006, 02:32 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

They Missed a slide too ;)

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3...ngslide8fk.jpg

Couldn't Resist :rolleyes:

Perkam

That is priceless...
Now we just need ATi to actually get a working Linux driver and I will be happy with them...
02-10-2006, 02:42 PM
Cooper

May I ask what for do you need R580 and Linux ?
Don`t tell me it`s for gaming :D
02-10-2006, 02:46 PM
Turok

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

They Missed a slide too ;)

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3...ngslide8fk.jpg

Couldn't Resist :rolleyes:

Perkam

And the GTX 512mb price is BS, BTW
It's supose to be > $750.
It's $100 off :stick: I guess they wanted to make the situation look less horrible than it is :rolleyes:
02-10-2006, 03:15 PM
n00b 0f l337

Turok. I think that's a slide made by Perkam. Not one of the slideshow. Its for :banana::banana::banana::banana:s and giggles.
02-10-2006, 03:32 PM
perkam

lol Love to see ppl take my stuff seriously...:p:

But yes i goofed up on price...can't change it now though :p

Let's just say I gave them the benefit of the doubt ;)

Perkam
02-10-2006, 03:32 PM
Turok

Quote:

Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337

Turok. I think that's a slide made by Perkam. Not one of the slideshow. Its for :banana::banana::banana::banana:s and giggles.

oh! :slap: :P
But it looked like something you would see on that slideshow :D
02-10-2006, 03:35 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turok

But it looked like something you would see on that slideshow :D

Why...Thank You :D

It was made on an Apple G5 with 21" Cinema LCD (in school) :p So I had the resources to match the background, font, fontsize and format of the original slides :D

Though the origin of the quote at the bottom right gives it away ;)

Perkam
02-10-2006, 03:42 PM
[XC] leviathan18

he is so ati that he jsut rant about the slideshow without reading xD

omg funny indeed
02-10-2006, 03:49 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooper

May I ask what for do you need R580 and Linux ?
Don`t tell me it`s for gaming :D

Reaper Mod is only for BSD/Linux ;)
I have to mod it to get it to run on Windows.. and right now even with 2 X1900XTs in crossfire and latest drivers.. I can't get it to do 40pfs...and I can get 2 7800Gtx in SLi in linux to do 38fps.. SO I would love to see what they can really do...
02-10-2006, 09:05 PM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by turtle

I don't know about ya'll, but I was sure a while back this thing was going to stomp the x1900...now I think it might just tiptoe across it. The wind def seems to be changing, at any rate.

Well I wouldn't take this as a sign of weakness . I mean right now they are just trying to do whatever they can to not let people buy ATI GPU. It could mean that the G71 will be delayed even more than we expect (no launch date set yet and nvidia hasn't said anything about sending samples out).

But even at 750MHz on the core and 2000Mhz on the memory of the 7800GTX 512MB with 3.7GHz x2, we see a score of 13093... (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1596172) and this has already been done with an x1900xt on air quite easily (with clocks no where near that high). I mean these better be some serious clockers (those 7900Ultras) to really compete here.

Even kingpin managed 819MHz/2.1GHz on the memory of the GTX and he only got 13493 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1483430).. again with a very heavily overclocked CPU as well. So from this we can guess the stock score for the G71 would be roughly 11-11.5k I would guess.

That said, I still think the G71 will be close in performance to the x1900.
02-11-2006, 02:55 PM
einCe

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

They Missed a slide too ;)

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3...ngslide8fk.jpg

Couldn't Resist :rolleyes:

Perkam

im so tempted to make a sig out of that
02-11-2006, 03:06 PM
perkam

Hmmm...Ahem...*cough*

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3...e8fk1gr.th.jpg

:p:

Hopefully it'll be price drop galore once the 90nm G7's hit.

Perkam
02-11-2006, 03:50 PM
Cybercat

Quote:

Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337

And the slides with circled numbers... Look at the drivers.
5.13b for ati?
How bout 6.2's.

some of them apparently used v6.1 catalyst though, assumably the newer X1900XTs.
02-11-2006, 03:56 PM
Turok

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Hmmm...Ahem...*cough*

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3...e8fk1gr.th.jpg

:p:

Hopefully it'll be price drop galore once the 90nm G7's hit.

Perkam

I think they will discontinue the 7800 GTX 512mb when the 7900 series releases, which is the smart thing to do.

The GTX 512mb would lower in price if there were more GTX 512mb available, and that would mean that more 1.1ns ram has to be poduced, which I dont think is going to happen anytime soon.
Even if that 1.1ns ram is abundantly available, they will probably use it with a lower-gen g71 core instead of the less powerful g70 core
02-11-2006, 04:00 PM
Turok

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybercat

some of them apparently used v6.1 catalyst though, assumably the newer X1900XTs.

This review was made with Catalyst 6.2 Beta and ForceWare 81.98
http://www.behardware.com/articles/6...-in-tests.html
You could compare with this to see if that Cat 6.1 benchmark is true
02-11-2006, 04:06 PM
Cybercat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turok

This review was made with Catalyst 6.2 Beta and ForceWare 81.98
http://www.behardware.com/articles/6...-in-tests.html
You could compare with this to see if that Cat 6.1 benchmark is true

um, no, because they're from two different websites, using two different systems, using different benchmarking conditions...
02-11-2006, 04:37 PM
[XC] leviathan18

the 7800gtx 512mb was only made to bring the crown to nvidia... so it was limited production... now the g71 is another history
02-11-2006, 05:26 PM
Turok

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybercat

um, no, because they're from two different websites, using two different systems, using different benchmarking conditions...

I know that. I just gave you the link so you could see if the performance difference on that certain game or application is as the slide says to be.

Even if that benchmark is using a different CPU, mobo, memory, etc. My point is to compare the two cards and see if in actuality that benchmark you mentioned is true. To see if nVidia's GTX 512mb is ahead of the x1900xt on both the newer and older drivers.
02-11-2006, 05:49 PM
[XC] leviathan18

to do that you need same cpu same mobo and same ram to have a exact result...
02-11-2006, 07:05 PM
Pinnacle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turok

This review was made with Catalyst 6.2 Beta and ForceWare 81.98
http://www.behardware.com/articles/6...-in-tests.html
You could compare with this to see if that Cat 6.1 benchmark is true

Great review :toast:
02-11-2006, 10:22 PM
Cybercat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turok

I know that. I just gave you the link so you could see if the performance difference on that certain game or application is as the slide says to be.

Even if that benchmark is using a different CPU, mobo, memory, etc. My point is to compare the two cards and see if in actuality that benchmark you mentioned is true. To see if nVidia's GTX 512mb is ahead of the x1900xt on both the newer and older drivers.

I don't know what improvements the 6.2s bring. I can't just look at performance and say "yep, they are or were using the newer drivers."
02-11-2006, 11:35 PM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Great review :toast:

I second that.