X1900XT/XTX on Air

Hi , lets post Air o/c and benchmark results for X1900XT/XTX in this thread guys :toast:

FX57 @ 3157MHz , 1.50V , 263x12.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 263MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.4V
Saphire X1900XTX , 729/891 (stock cooler , Def. Voltage , normal room temp)
Win XP Pro SP2 (for now) , Drivers that came on CD (modified 6.1 ? )

3DMark05 :13023

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2994/130237an.gif

3DMark06 : 5710

SM2.0 : 2590
SM3.0 : 2757
CPU : 1252 :slapass:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9458/57109qw.gif

3DMark01 : 39604

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/385/396047xb.gif

3DMark03 : 21491 (having some issues with 03 - so cpu only 3.1GHz for now )

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/545/214911sf.gif

nice !

Gorod, are you using 6.1 Cats or the ones on the install CD (6.1b)?

Good GOd....so 13k on air is done !!! And now he's shooting for 40k on air !!!! NICE !!! :woot:

Perkam

Great results Gorod.:)
I have a XTX that should arrive tomorrow and we have similar CPU clocks. Hoping to hit 13K in 05 on air also, so chances look pretty good.
Any idea of the limit on the core yet w/stock cooler? I see you're still on default voltage.

So 13k on air 24/7 rigs are beginning to happen then ? :)

Perkam

Very nice Gorod:clap:

i had major issues with the X1900XTX Cat 6.1 that was on the ATI website. Says no VGA detected... using omegas for now :(

all the OCAU users are pissed about the lack of drivers for these things......which ones are you using Gorod

can you upload them.....those modified drivers

Im using the HIS drivers now seem to work better than ones on disc.

Heres....on air @689/799
With more clocks it will beat 7800 256 sli :)

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/830...shot1825yg.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/648...shot1844az.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/798...shot1830hr.jpg

Thanks guys , those X1900's are some nice cards indeed :toast:

FlyBoyGeo

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Gorod, are you using 6.1 Cats or the ones on the install CD (6.1b)?

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Exactly :toast: , the ones that came with card on CD . Not sure what Ver. they are , Futuremark says that Driver Version is 6.14.10.6587

gjwild

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I have a XTX that should arrive tomorrow and we have similar CPU clocks. Hoping to hit 13K in 05 on air also, so chances look pretty good.

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Shouldn't be very hard to hit 13K on stock air hopefully :) , just don't forget to set FAN Speed to it's Max (around 5000RPM ) - it will help a bit to keep it cool ;)

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Any idea of the limit on the core yet w/stock cooler? I see you're still on default voltage.

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Not yet , i will try that soon :D

dinos22

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which ones are you using Gorod

can you upload them.....those modified drivers

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Sure :toast: , just let me find out how big they are , i hope they are not too big for free hosting sites i know lol

Dumo I see u can run Aquamark3 :eek: - for some reason i can't :( , i'l try to reinstall it :rolleyes:

Gorod, extract this patch file to your Aquamark3 folder dll.file.....http://www.overclock.net/664693-post6.html

X1900XTX arriving monday.

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Gorod, extract this patch file to your Aquamark3 folder dll.file.....http://www.overclock.net/664693-post6.html

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Thanks Dumo :toast: , will try it soon :)

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all the OCAU users are pissed about the lack of drivers for these things......which ones are you using Gorod

can you upload them.....those modified drivers

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Here they are - Saphire X1900XTX drivers from CD :toast: (only Display Driver - 12.9Mb ) : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PBE81QOF

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Not yet , i will try that soon :D

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Keep us up to date on your progress, if you don't mind.:)

x2 4400+ @ 2800--2900MHz , 1.557V , 253-260x11.0 , HTT x4
modify typhoon /w 120 enermax fan
DFI LP UT nF4 ultra , 623-3
2x1024Mb , 250-260MHz @ 3.0-4-4-7-1T , 2.7v
Saphire X1900XT, 722/805 stock cooler ,
Win XP Pro SP2 tweaked

3dmark 06 : http://home.no/smy/dataromme/6135%20i%203dmark06.jpg

3dmark 05 : http://home.no/smy/dataromme/12400%2...dmark%2005.jpg

Congrats Gorod on nice scores !

Gorod what PSU are you using for that setup ?

Very nice 05 and 06 scores Gorod!

Can't wait to see what you can do with 01, 03, and AM3 when you get all the kinks out.

Hey, how much are u getting default?

FX57 2800MHz
200MHz FSB 2,5-3-3-5 or smth
X1900XTX default

i have a question :

unlike SLI where 2 cards of same type are used

Crosffire needs a master card and ?
so i buy master card and another XT
or do i have to buy 2 crossfire edition cards?
and do crossfire cards also work in single?


i am asking thats because i wont start directly crossfire (dont have the money - and i need to know wich card to get first)

greetz and thx

1) yes and a 'Crossfire compatible' card

2) yes

3) no

4) yes (they better!!)

http://www.ati.com/technology/crossf...ldyourown.html

Club3d X1900XT on stock volts and cooler:
3DMark01
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55...Z/3d01-36k.jpg

3DMark03 @ 650/1600
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55...3d03-19287.jpg

3DMark05 @ 670/1600
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55...score11790.jpg

Aquamark3 @ 650/1600
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55...amark3-97k.jpg

3DMark06 @ Stock GFX (625/1450)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55.../3d06stock.jpg

Nice Ari score, but that fan is loud as a plane turbine!!

Gorod, can you tell me what your score is w/everything default. 3DMark 05
CPU @ 2.8 and XTX out of box..

Awesome scores guys. Would you guys mind posting what voltages you used with your X1900's? Even listing what the default voltage is would be beneficial since I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Xt flashed to XTX.....No OC other than bios flash........Stock cooler...the slower score is my max clocked x1800xt 06 record

http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/...ersus19003.bmp

My CPU is such a bottleneck, with 2.8ghz and 680/1600 my score was lower than 2.9 ghz and 670/1600 :| and with several hundred points!

What are the best tools used for voltages/clocks and the X1900???

Core/Mem speeds = ATI Tray Tool?
Core/Mem Voltages = ATI Tool 12 Beta?

690/800mhz

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...txfatality.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...a/8eb8d58b.jpg


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...00xtx21375.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...00xtx37314.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...900xtx6185.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...00xtx11658.jpg



im rebuilding the OS for benching

3DMark06 5471
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/264...rk065yn.th.jpg

3DMark05 12431
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/219...rk056ly.th.jpg

3DMark01 37953
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/803...rk014of.th.jpg

All at stock voltages. 708 Core & 810 Memory

Just a small update , been trying to clock the card higher by upping volts with no positive results at all :( In fact any volts higher then stock just made the things worst :confused: And ya , i tried to actually lower volts - it didn't help too ... :rolleyes: Benches done with open window , ambient temp outside right now here in Atlanta is 53° F , probably around only 65° F in my room :(

FX57 @ 3157MHz , 1.50V , 263x12.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 263MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.4V
Saphire X1900XTX , 735/900 (stock cooler , Def. Voltage )
OCZ Power Stream 600W , OCZ-600ADJ SLI
Win XP Pro SP2 (for now) , Drivers that came on CD from Sapphire (modified 6.1 ? )

3DMark01 : 40010
3DMark03 : 21784
3DMark05 : 13088
3DMark06 : Failed :slapass: After 45min i gave up :stick: , it wouldn't pass Forest or Proxycon tests with 735MHz on GPU ... :(

Aquamark3 : 109.154

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8113/400107us.gif
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/939/217841mx.gif
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8812/130885yl.gif
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4292/1091541dj.gif

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Very nice 05 and 06 scores Gorod!

Can't wait to see what you can do with 01, 03, and AM3 when you get all the kinks out.

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I need to get a second hard drive to install Win2K for 2001 first (don't wanna mess my 24/7 win install i have right now cause i need it to play Battlefield2 lol :lol: ) - should help a lot hopefully may be 41.0-41.5K with same settings right ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gjwild

Keep us up to date on your progress, if you don't mind.:)

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I don't mind at all m8 :D - but it looks like i found cards limit for stock cooling , it's time to move on for water cooling and after that for some DI :) Just waiting for ORB to add X1900 official support first :slapass:

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Congrats Gorod on nice scores !

Gorod what PSU are you using for that setup ?

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It's an OCZ Power Stream 600W (SLI Ready model)

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Gorod, can you tell me what your score is w/everything default. 3DMark 05
CPU @ 2.8 and XTX out of box..

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Originally Posted by PlatoonSgtElias

Hey, how much are u getting default?

FX57 2800MHz
200MHz FSB 2,5-3-3-5 or smth
X1900XTX default

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Let me see , give me a sec. plz :)

Here are my results.

System:
Opteron 146 @ 3.4Ghz - Mach II GT
1GB Mushkin Redlines @ 243mhz 2-2-2-5
ATI Sapphire X1900XT-X @ 729/891 - Stock cooler
DFI Ultra-D
OCZ Powerstream 600w

3dmark01: 38,834
http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/cl...ark01_38k1.gif

3dmark03: 21,387
http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/cl...ark03_21k1.gif

3dmark05: 13,017
http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/cl...ark05_13k1.gif

3dmark06: 5,674
http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/cl...mark06_5k1.gif

I couldn't get the card to clock any further either, it topped out at the exact same speed as Gorod's.

So far can't use ATI Tool...:( 689/799 on ATI OD..

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3...shot0017fd.jpg

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Here are my results.

System:
Opteron 146 @ 3.4Ghz - Mach II GT
1GB Mushkin Redlines @ 243mhz 2-2-2-5
ATI Sapphire X1900XT-X @ 729/891 - Stock cooler
DFI Ultra-D
OCZ Powerstream 600w

3dmark01: 38,834
http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/cl...ark01_38k1.gif

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I think your 3D01 should be higher at those clocks. Did a quick run with stock X1800XT and NO lod. Maybe its a CCC setting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...X1800stock.jpg

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Originally Posted by loc.o

I think your 3D01 should be higher at those clocks. Did a quick run with stock X1800XT and NO lod. Maybe its a CCC setting.

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I was also thinking that. Would you be able to post your CCC settings up please? If you could that would be great. :)

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I was also thinking that. Would you be able to post your CCC settings up please? If you could that would be great. :)

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Was just going to post the same question. What are the best CCC settings? Thanks

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Gorod, can you tell me what your score is w/everything default. 3DMark 05
CPU @ 2.8 and XTX out of box..

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Originally Posted by PlatoonSgtElias

Hey, how much are u getting default?

FX57 2800MHz
200MHz FSB 2,5-3-3-5 or smth
X1900XTX default

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Everything Default :

FX57 @ 2813MHz , 1.36V , 201x14.0 , HTT x5
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 201MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.2V
Saphire X1900XTX , 648/774
OCZ Power Stream 600W , OCZ-600ADJ SLI
Win XP Pro SP2 (for now) , Drivers that came on CD from Sapphire (modified 6.1 ? ) , Def. CCC settings (Balanced)

3DMark01 : 32679
3DMark03 : 18711
3DMark05 : 11289
3DMark06 : 4929
Aquamark3 : 94.727

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1774/326790ew.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7924/187118px.th.gif
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3016/112898un.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4914/49296rd.th.gif
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8597/947275vc.th.gif

A64Tweaker & CCC Settings:

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1204/default9ir.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4910/clocks3yo.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/363...core5pp.th.gif

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Everything Default :

FX57 @ 2813MHz , 1.36V , 201x14.0 , HTT x5
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 201MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.2V
Saphire X1900XTX , 648/774
OCZ Power Stream 600W , OCZ-600ADJ SLI
Win XP Pro SP2 (for now) , Drivers that came on CD from Sapphire (modified 6.1 ? ) , Def. CCC settings (Balanced)

3DMark01 : 32679
3DMark03 : 18711
3DMark05 : 11289
3DMark06 : 4929
Aquamark3 : 94.727

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1774/326790ew.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7924/187118px.th.gif
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3016/112898un.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4914/49296rd.th.gif
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8597/947275vc.th.gif

A64Tweaker & CCC Settings:

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1204/default9ir.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4910/clocks3yo.th.gifhttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/363...core5pp.th.gif

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You have to set the AI to Advanced and not standard in CCC, and also mipmap to performance:) thats were you loose your points:)

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You have to set the AI to Advanced and not standard in CCC, and also mipmap to performance:) thats were you loose your points:)

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Ya i did that already (few posts above - post#32 ) :) , guys asked me to run with Everything Default - (i believe it means CCC settings set to Default too ? :confused: - may be i am wrong :))

That's exactly what I aked for Gorod.:)
Thanks, just wanted to see where you were at w/defaults..

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I was also thinking that. Would you be able to post your CCC settings up please? If you could that would be great. :)

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Mine:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/Viss1/CCC3.jpg

Thanks for the help. :)

I'll check my settings and do another set of runs when I'm back home with my rig.

Going to post mine ASAP, just hopes that the Club3D will rock as much as the rest :/

howcome you guys are using ATI OD and not overclocker tool for clks. :)

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howcome you guys are using ATI OD and not overclocker tool for clks. :)

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Overclocker relaxes timings on the ram significantly to acheive high frequencies. ATI Tool does not and acheives it's true overclocking potential.

Improved my score a little bit, but take a look:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55.../3d0511679.jpg

Now at 2.9 Ghz:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55.../3d0511888.jpg

This is sick, singlecores really suck, give me an X2 :slapass:

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Overclocker relaxes timings on the ram significantly to acheive high frequencies. ATI Tool does not and acheives it's true overclocking potential.

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With overclock tool you can clk core alot higher then OD lets you.
Relaxed timings you can just clk mem. higher thats all.

I use overclock tool for clks and ati tool for voltage,
been doing this with both X1800/X1900 cards and works like a charm. ;)

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Originally Posted by ShaidarHaran

I just benched @ 750/1800 with no difference from the results below @ 690/1600. My rig is cpu-limited w/a 2.6GHz dual-core Opty :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1600-11567.jpg

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You are still benchinng at 690/1600, coz you unlock the CCC overdrive:D ;)
However, I also want to see how to control those voltages.
Setting with overclocker tools in 3D mode? then need to also adjust the Vgpu...etc???

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I just benched @ 750/1800 with no difference from the results below @ 690/1600. My rig is cpu-limited w/a 2.6GHz dual-core Opty :(

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What tool are you reading & setting 750/1800 with ??

You should not use ATI OD, disable ati hotkey and use
oc tool for clks and ati tool for voltage. :)

I just benched @ 750/1800 with no difference from the results below @ 690/1600. My rig is cpu-limited w/a 2.6GHz dual-core Opty :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1600-11567.jpg

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With overclock tool you can clk core alot higher then OD lets you.
Relaxed timings you can just clk mem. higher thats all.

I use overclock tool for clks and ati tool for voltage,
been doing this with both X1800/X1900 cards and works like a charm. ;)

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Yes thank you for restating what I just said. However lowering memory timings decreases performance, not increases. Why do you think the memory manufacturer battles are over timings. Any joe schmo can create ultra fast memory with high timings.

I dare you to try starting over with ATITool and running those frequencies. You'll never make it at least with that setup and voltages.

Well the X1900XTX has arrived. I'm having issues with getting the beta ATI tray tools to work right now, so I settled for the CCC overdrive limits. In CCC the overclocks are limited to 690mhz core and 1600mhz memory, which is what I set it at to run 3Dmark 06. Specs the test was run at below:

Opteron 170 @ 2.8Ghz
2x1Gb @ DDR 510mhz (2.5-3-2-6)
X1900 XTX @ 690mhz/1600mhz

3Dmark06: 6013

SM2.0: 2402

HDR/SM3.0: 2564

CPU score: 2043

I'll update with further results once I top out my overclock.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...Wreck/3D06.jpg

Heh i was saving this screenie.....I'll see your 6013 and raise ya by 50.

http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/6k3d06.bmp

Still not maxxed on air or in CCC OD, just screwing around.

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Heh i was saving this screenie.....I'll see your 6013 and raise ya by 50.

Still not maxxed on air or in CCC OD, just screwing around.

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Mine is all air results and only using CCC overdrive to overclock. ;)

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Mine is all air results and only using CCC overdrive to overclock. ;)

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My card is on air to....and only using CCC OD to OC and not maxxed in OD.........I can do 3.0 gig on air but don't feel like killing cpu with 1.6 volts..and i sure as heck aint pulling mach 1 off to prove it, took forever to get it insulated good........not to mention the 1mb l2 makes a diff in 06....2.8 dualcore 1mb l2 is worth 200 mhz roughly......versus 512kb..... basically saying there are tweaks you can use that will net you 50 more points at the same clock speeds your at right now......

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My card is on air to....and only using CCC OD to OC and not maxxed in OD.........I can do 3.0 gig on air but don't feel like killing cpu with 1.6 volts..and i sure as heck aint pulling mach 1 off to prove it, took forever to get it insulated good........not to mention the 1mb l2 makes a diff in 06....2.8 dualcore 1mb l2 is worth 200 mhz roughly......versus 512kb..... basically saying there are tweaks you can use that will net you 50 more points at the same clock speeds your at right now......

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I'm not much on tweaking the scores. All I need is an overclocking tool that works for my X1900 XTX.

Ati overclock tool works fine.......Just likely at the max of your card on air...My x1800xt was the same way.....Once on water it cooperated.

Awsome results there guys :clap:
But is R580 OCing differs from R520 by used software, action manual :) Really curious

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Ati overclock tool works fine.......Just likely at the max of your card on air...My x1800xt was the same way.....Once on water it cooperated.

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Thats rediculous. If I adjust the frequency in ATI tool 25 beta 12 even under stock speeds it freezes up. To me that means it's not working.

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Thats rediculous. If I adjust the frequency in ATI tool 25 beta 12 even under stock speeds it freezes up. To me that means it's not working.

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you have to disable the ati2evxx in processes for overclocking with ati tool in 2d mode:)

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Thats rediculous. If I adjust the frequency in ATI tool 25 beta 12 even under stock speeds it freezes up. To me that means it's not working.

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It does the same to me as well.

does it happen when you hit 630mhz? or 650mhz?

C-BuZz

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you have to disable the ati2evxx in processes for overclocking with ati tool in 2d mode:)

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Yeah, I don't have that starting up anyway. Still doesn't work.

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does it happen when you hit 630mhz? or 650mhz?

C-BuZz

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I tried 650mhz in 2D and it froze.

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Thats rediculous. If I adjust the frequency in ATI tool 25 beta 12 even under stock speeds it freezes up. To me that means it's not working.

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maybe you misread......ATI OVERCLOCK TOOL not to be confused with ATI TOOL. use ati tool to set voltages use ati OVERCLOCK tool to set frequencies.
Disable ATI hot key poller service disable ATI smart service disable ati2vexxe.........Manually type in desired clocks in ATI OC tool do not use slider..........etc etc.

For the last time, the ATI Overclocker relaxes timings and that is the ONLY reason you are acheiving such high frequencies. It may show performances increases, but you are counteracting it more than anything.

My Results

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...4/2dmark06.jpg

Can any of you guys send me an url to download the X1900XTX/XT beta catalysts?

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For the last time, the ATI Overclocker relaxes timings and that is the ONLY reason you are acheiving such high frequencies. It may show performances increases, but you are counteracting it more than anything.

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Really? I suppose it slacked my cores timings to? Wait core doesn't have timings....... ok then how do you explain 823/981 on a x1800xt...record score mind you (wonders why people with lower mem tighter timings didnt take my 3d06 title away, also wonders how with just 10 mhz increases over stock in testing how memory was helping score at crappy timings) Amazing that ATI tool only users cant reach that core speed...........Anyway whatever. You do it your way. As for me i do it the way I know works. Just FYI I'd rather run TCCD at 2.5-4-4-8 at ddr 660 then 2.5-3-3-6 at ddr 550....overalll speed overcomes timings at a certain point. Looks to me like acen /\ is listening and proof is in results.....hmm ddr 800 tight timings get beat by ddr 820 crap timings......amazing......

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maybe you misread......ATI OVERCLOCK TOOL not to be confused with ATI TOOL. use ati tool to set voltages use ati OVERCLOCK tool to set frequencies.
Disable ATI hot key poller service disable ATI smart service disable ati2vexxe.........Manually type in desired clocks in ATI OC tool do not use slider..........etc etc.

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Do you have any links to these utilities. I have ATI Tool, but cannot seem to find ATI Overclock Tool. There seems to be alot of confusion between the two.

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Do you have any links to these utilities. I have ATI Tool, but cannot seem to find ATI Overclock Tool. There seems to be alot of confusion between the two.

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http://www.driverheaven.net/zardon/overclocker.zip

In service manage in windows disable ATI Smart and ATI Hotkey services and reboot pc. You loose temp reading in CCC but can use ATI Tool to view temps.
Use X1800 Oc'ing tool and set 3D desired clocks using the 2D panel by TYPING in the clocks DO NOT use slider!
Use ATI Tool to only verify and view the 3D clocks are set correctly. So should be same as what you set in X1800 Oc'ing tool.
Whenever you set the mem clock, remember to set the GPU core clock again, or it will fall back to lower clocks and when you set the GPU core clocks again, remember to set the mem clock again, or the same will happen.
Setting voltages, OC'ing tool reports wrong voltages so DO NOT use OC'ing tool to set voltages, use ATI Tool to set voltages. Example, GPU voltage reported in ATI Tool is 1.275v will show in OC'ing tool as 1.3v. Set ATI Tool GPU volts to 1.3v will show OC'ing tool at 1.325v but the real voltage measured by DMM is closer to 1.3v as set in ATI Tool.

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For the last time, the ATI Overclocker relaxes timings and that is the ONLY reason you are acheiving such high frequencies. It may show performances increases, but you are counteracting it more than anything.

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Tell 3dmark that........I rest my case with this screenshot. This is a XT btw not an XTX. It's flashed to an xtx though........

http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/x1800xtmethod.bmp

Really? Wait? Did you actually try comparing the two and see what occurs? Don't attempt to talk down to me, because you're clearly reaching. I never said anything about the core. Here are three sets of results from three different owners of x1800xl on techpowerup. Granted they are not x1900xtx but the same deal appplies. I've also had similar results with my card and I will do a comparison when I get home from work. You would think one trying to obtain the absolute best performance, such as this forum suggests, you would be more open to other ideas. I'll tell you right now, Overclocker relaxes timings A LOT more than your example. Enough to effect performance. I'll be eagerly awaiting your well thought out response.

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Ummm discovery... big one

OC tool
625/750 3D Mark 05 8710

ATItool
625/650 3D Mark 05 9083!!!!

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Same thing here with an x1800XL.

729/855 with ATI OverClocker set clocks = 10,184 in 3DM05

729/729 with ATItool set clocks = 10,362 in 3DM05

Viper

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Very interesting about those memory timings:

For me it has raised some strange questions about the two tools we now can use:
Upon installing ATI Tool, I immediately set my X1800XL (with stock cooler) to 600/700, and it gave me onscreen corruption!
600/675 then also locked during 3Dmark!!
With the Overclocker utility I could run 3Dmark at 600/700 with a score of about 8700.

So deciding ATI Tool must still have a bug in it, I ran some benchmarks anyway.
Look and be amazed:

Overclocker 625/666 = 8663
Overclocker 607/702 = 8715

ATI TOOL 602/603 = 8728
ATI TOOL 604/634 = 8922
ATI TOOL 610/648 = 9072

Reading through this thread again, I now saw W1zzard's comment about memory timings.

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Really? I suppose it slacked my cores timings to? Wait core doesn't have timings....... ok then how do you explain 823/981 on a x1800xt...record score mind you (wonders why people with lower mem tighter timings didnt take my 3d06 title away, also wonders how with just 10 mhz increases over stock in testing how memory was helping score at crappy timings) Amazing that ATI tool only users cant reach that core speed...........Anyway whatever. You do it your way. As for me i do it the way I know works. Just FYI I'd rather run TCCD at 2.5-4-4-8 at ddr 660 then 2.5-3-3-6 at ddr 550....overalll speed overcomes timings at a certain point. Looks to me like acen /\ is listening and proof is in results.....hmm ddr 800 tight timings get beat by ddr 820 crap timings......amazing......

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Really? I suppose it slacked my cores timings to? Wait core doesn't have timings....... ok then how do you explain 823/981 on a x1800xt...record score mind you (wonders why people with lower mem tighter timings didnt take my 3d06 title away, also wonders how with just 10 mhz increases over stock in testing how memory was helping score at crappy timings) Amazing that ATI tool only users cant reach that core speed...........Anyway whatever. You do it your way. As for me i do it the way I know works. Just FYI I'd rather run TCCD at 2.5-4-4-8 at ddr 660 then 2.5-3-3-6 at ddr 550....overalll speed overcomes timings at a certain point. Looks to me like acen /\ is listening and proof is in results.....hmm ddr 800 tight timings get beat by ddr 820 crap timings......amazing......

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Well it does on the X1800, so i doubt it doesn't relax the timmings on the X1900.

Do a search for it, it's been discussed many times.

Why do you think ATI decided to use 900mhz rated RAM at only 775mhz? The Samsung RAM timings are completely programmable. If you read into the PDF Datasheet you will see a chart relating CAS latency to operating frequency. ATI obviously saw benefit in lowering frequency to obtain lower latency. It's not coincidence that they ship these cards with super high performance RAM at seemingly lower than spec.
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semi...K4J52324QC.htm

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You would think one trying to obtain the absolute best performance, such as this forum suggests, you would be more open to other ideas.

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Heh, Why would i need to be open to ideas.........You guys are the ones complaining that you can't OC with ati tool + x1900xt, and when i mention a way you can OC and prove it and show gains you still complain... If ati tool is so great how come you guys cant clock CORE or Memory. Anyway enough said. I can only lead a horse to water, I can't make it drink. GL with your Overclocking Efforts, I'll see yah at the top of the orb.

Chew, do you think this card will go deep freeze with cascade? I'm just about to hook it up:)

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Chew, do you think this card will go deep freeze with cascade? I'm just about to hook it up:)

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yes, may have to load it up with volts though. I think it may bug around -75 stock volts.

Open Window :) (+1C / 33&#176; F outside)

FX57 @ 3205MHz , 1.50V , 267x12.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 267MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.4V
Saphire X1900XTX , 749/927 / ( 756/927 3DMark03 )
Stock cooler , Def. Voltage , Cold air (+1C / 33 F outside)
Win XP Pro SP2 , Catalyst 6.1Mod ??? (Sapphire)

3DMark01 : 40719
3DMark03 : 22287
3DMark05 : 13367
3DMark06 : 5847
Aquamark3 : 111.047

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Hi, I'm getting around 9700 points in 3dMark05 with my computer using Omega 6.01 drivers with no overclocking. Are the points what I'm supposed to get or is something wrong?.

I also tried to mod my card to XTX with the Winflash tool but it says that VBIOS can not be found...

I have installed AMD 64- drivers and the Dual-core hotfix but didn't get any difference in my scores.

Henrik

did you check force flash box?????? and that score is about right stock.

Testing Sapphire XTX....@ 690/800

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5418/068xo.jpg

My finals stockooled X1900XTX results :

http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/7k.JPG
http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/14K.JPG
http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/22k3.JPG
http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/45K5.JPG

Open Window again :) (-2C / 29° F outside)

FX57 @ 3252MHz , 1.50V , 271x12.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 271MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.4V
Saphire X1900XTX , 776/945
Stock cooler , 1.525 VGPU / 2.001 VMem
Win XP Pro SP2 , Catalyst 6.1Mod ??? (Sapphire)

3DMark01 : 41533
3DMark03 : 22707
3DMark05 : 13668
3DMark06 : 5973
Aquamark3 : 112.813

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Nothing special , just another 14K 3DMark05 with FULL Air :rolleyes: (both CPU + VGA) with old trusted FX57 0530APMW :fact: and Cooler Master Hyper 6 , VGA Stock cooler and -1C (31 F ) Ambient :D
Winter sucks here in Atlanta :( :slapass: ....


FX57 @ 3300MHz , 1.55V , 275x12.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 275MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.5V
Sapphire X1900XTX , 783/945 , 1.550 VGPU / 2.001 VMem
Stock cooler , Aircooled with cold Air (-1° C ambient)

3DMark05 : 14261

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1798525

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Full Air ( CPU + VGA ) 3DMark01/03 results (-2C / 28 F Ambient today) :

FX57 @ 3300MHz , 1.55V , 254x13.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 254MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.5V
Saphire X1900XTX , 749/945
Stock cooler , Def. Voltage
Win XP Pro SP2 , Catalyst 6.2 , LOD +3.0

3DMark01 : 43081

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8898378

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/9663/430813pw.gif

FX57 @ 3252MHz , 1.50V , 271x12.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 271MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.5V
Saphire X1900XTX , 783/945
Stock cooler , 1.575 VGPU / 2.001 VMem
Win XP Pro SP2 , Catalyst 6.2 , No LOD

3DMark03 : 23183

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4619124

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6.2 driver and card at 702|850. It is using stock air cooling:

3dmark06 6,498
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=118362

3dmark05 12,692
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1792016

With the card at stock clocks, or 648|774, I can still manage to break 12k in 3dmark05.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9...default4rz.jpg

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Full Air ( CPU + VGA ) 3DMark01/03 results (-2C / 28 F Ambient today) :

FX57 @ 3300MHz , 1.55V , 254x13.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 254MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.5V
Saphire X1900XTX , 749/945
Stock cooler , Def. Voltage
Win XP Pro SP2 , Catalyst 6.2 , LOD +3.0

3DMark01 : 43081

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8898378

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/9663/430813pw.gif

FX57 @ 3252MHz , 1.50V , 271x12.0 , HTT x4
Cooler Master Hyper 6
DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-DR , 623-3
2x512Mb , 271MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T , 3.5V
Saphire X1900XTX , 783/945
Stock cooler , 1.575 VGPU / 2.001 VMem
Win XP Pro SP2 , Catalyst 6.2 , No LOD

3DMark03 : 23183

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4619124

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Some nice scores you've got there Gorod..!! I'm very imprest with your ram @271 2-2-2-5 3.5v, what ram is it?

Nikita

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Some nice scores you've got there Gorod..!! I'm very imprest with your ram @271 2-2-2-5 3.5v, what ram is it?

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Ya i am happy about Full Air results i am getting too :toast: , VGA clocks real nicely and that FX (God i love that 0530APMW :worship::hehe: ) is a real beast for sure :woot: That RAM is nice too , it's a Mushkin Redlines XP 3500 , i had it up to 275MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5 , 3.5V on my 3DMark05 run :) Funny thing that it will pass 3DMark but won't pass Super PI 1M (!!!) at those speeds (Maxes out at 271-272MHz for Super PI) :confused: 3DMark2001 results are with Win XP so the score isn't maxed out yet and i think 44-44.5K are very possible on air (and i mean FULL Air :) ) , sad thing it's not cold any longer over here :( . Time to move on for some stronger cooling then Air i guess :wave:
And take a look at those Nature (3D'01) scores X1900 are capable off with LOD :eek: Too bad LOD Tweak needs ATI Services to run so it's no way to change VGPU/VMem :( Any tips on that guys ? I am new to ATI .

Is there a 3D voltage difference between the XT and XTX? If there is, then might that account for the poor overclock on my XT?

My memory will go to 797 according to the auto overclock utility in CCC Overdrive, so that's not the problem. However, my core has trouble reaching even 650. Overdrive reckons it can only do 631. It locked up after about 10 loops of Mother Nature test in 3M03 @ 650/775.

If there is a voltage difference, would flashing to an XTX BIOS increase the voltage?

really good numbers....14xxx on air !!...great !

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Is there a 3D voltage difference between the XT and XTX? If there is, then might that account for the poor overclock on my XT?

My memory will go to 797 according to the auto overclock utility in CCC Overdrive, so that's not the problem. However, my core has trouble reaching even 650. Overdrive reckons it can only do 631. It locked up after about 10 loops of Mother Nature test in 3M03 @ 650/775.

If there is a voltage difference, would flashing to an XTX BIOS increase the voltage?

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Looks like you and me have bog standard - speed binned X1900s :( Mine will do 666/1580 (1.400/2.030), 680/1580 (1.425/2.030).

Temps never pass 60C either :slapass:

I got a carp X1900XT = 11.5k 2005 @ 680/1580 :(

Conc

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Looks like you and me have bog standard - speed binned X1900s :( Mine will do 666/1580 (1.400/2.030), 680/1580 (1.425/2.030).

Temps never pass 60C either :slapass:

I got a carp X1900XT = 11.5k 2005 @ 680/1580 :(

Conc

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TBH I'd be happy with what your core can do. I couldn't get 650 stable the other day. I didn't adjust fan speeds or anything, but I'd like to see what my card can do without adding to the noise.

Voltage increases obviously help you a little bit. Do you know what the XT's stock voltage is? Is the XTX stock voltage any different?

Both are 1.4V IIRC.

My core will do 600 @ 1.3V and 625 @ 1.340V.

Im doing some heat testing atm, lowering the settings where my fans speeds up, 62C is the highest its gone through a pass of 2005. I can get 690 @ 1.45V but temps go :O so 680 is fine for me. When this card isnt *so* expensive it'll get a decent cooler and mem heatsinks.

Maybe you should try ATi Tool? You could create a 3D Profile with stock clocks/voltages, then set a constant fan speed or temp controlled one. I haave the latter, @ 60C its 60%, 65C its 70%, 70C its 80% etc.

I wish this would act as my 6800U would, instead of completely falling over it would artifact, make life SOOOOO much easier!

Conc

Yep, I may try that. I just saw your thread over at OcUK.

I'm in the process of a reformat, so it'll be a couple of days before I get time to try it though.

Those who wish to enlighten their XT investment can always add a VF-700...seeing as you have already saved at least $100 from not going XTX, so a $30 investment for higher OCs shouldn't be too much ;)

Perkam

Looks interesting.

How loud are they, do they fit X1900s and how much better than stock cooling are they?

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Those who wish to enlighten their XT investment can always add a VF-700...seeing as you have already saved at least $100 from not going XTX, so a $30 investment for higher OCs shouldn't be too much ;)

Perkam

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Being 16 and skint, Im not gonna attempt to change the cooler until its worth £200 ;)

680 isnt stable, anything over 61C and it locks @ 1.425V.

Back to 666/1560 :(

Conc

cant you at least make it 667? Your core is evil at 666!