our captain, Rod, has decided not to leave/sink the XS ship..
don know about u guys, but im not gonna leave my captain behind..
while others have switched, even i did, ill return
wat about u guys?
i say lets stick with our captain
wat say u?
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our captain, Rod, has decided not to leave/sink the XS ship..
don know about u guys, but im not gonna leave my captain behind..
while others have switched, even i did, ill return
wat about u guys?
i say lets stick with our captain
wat say u?
Everyone on XSTC/CM read stuff and while basic plan is the same, discuss the direction please. We now return to our regularly scheduled chaos :wierd:
Thats a shame, I guess since DDTUNG and our vietnamese friend left, still do not know why, we have no chance of taking #1 while members here but we do if we ALL follow them. The combined output of the 2 teams will do the one thing at this time that needs doing, putting those people in first place into 2nd which is probably 20 higher than they actually deserve.
I don't know about you but I don't like being kicked in the face and then just walking away with my tail between my legs!
Last point: I admire the people on this team, from the top down, great people, but I would like to see you fight back. There is a principle here and the point needs to be made to them that sometimes you have to stand up, think about your options and fight like hell for what you beleive in.
Yea, I'm Irish, pissed off beyond belief at whats happenned in the last 24 hours.
They cheated, we lost, it's over. To late to make a comeback with everyone leaving.
/quit
mad mikee, sorry bro, just trying to help.. confusion couldve been averted in the 1st place!!!
movieman, thats wat i thought was happeing, thats why i switched
afireinside, no we did not lose! DPC did! no matter wat
I will stay.
To the lastest member.
XS are the main forum for me and there are all world BEST overclockers ever.
Thanks man. That's really cool of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
All I have to say
"Captain, my Captain." If you've never seen the movie White Squall, go out and watch it now!
I'm going over in the morning. I want to see what the general consensus is here first, but if at least 1/2 the guys here go( there are a huge amount of inactive members on the team with large amounts of points attached to their names) it can be done and think on this: How long would the smile stay on your face if 2 days from now on Jan 1,2006 the Cows were NOT in first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Just ponder that thought for 10 seconds......
If we had stayed, they would have remained #1 in 2005. That would mean they got away with it. I agree with you MM, can't let that happen. So I picked the option that would have them beaten, if only enough decided to follow. I did not sink all my time and resources into this to lose like a fool. When you fight against evil, you have to use unconventional means. By switching, I uphold the principle you refer to. I open the only door that'll lead to their well deserved defeat in 2005, and that door is still open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
DDTUNG:cool:
come on captain, im getting misty here.. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rodzilla
rain or shine u got my loyalty :)
I would much rather see XS remain it's own team and remain in 2nd.
DDT.. for once i think you may not be enough....the only people close to you passing now is us here @ XS... your 1 million behind.... i want XS to be #1 not FDC ( no offense as they have welcomed us with open arms)
DDT.. give us a straight answer... will you be back as the #1 Member of XS d2ol?
Rod.. im with my Mafia Brothers 100%... we've got your back ;)
same here, even if we all decide together not to continue d2ol and join rosetta, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodzilla
Yeah so we can see the remains of all our hard work we put in d2ol as a great team! It shouldn't be forgotten.
what is this about. just logged on and see this... well, i just lost motivation for this now. i`ll quit again. this happend in my last team to.
I understand your thinking and in my heart I agree with you totally. I sat here this evening with nothing but anger in my heart and anger clouds your thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDTUNG
My first thought all night was what is needed to beat the Cows but after hearing the hurt and emotion in Rod's writing at what had happenned this evening I decided that what was more important than winning was loyalty.
There's an old expression here in the US that I think is fitting for our situation.
It pertains to a woman going to a dance with one guy and seeing another man who is interested in her. The saying goes like this:
" You go home with the one that brung(brought) you"
You have my best wishes and I sincerely hope you accomplish your goal!
One last thing: Win or lose, you wouldn't look like a fool. You made a tremendous outlay of time,effort and probably quite a bit of cash and all without looking for any personal benefit that I can see.
Those are all admirable qualitities in my opinion. A person's or a team's character is much more important than any number on a web page. When this is all said and done we can say we fought the good fight, I doubt that the others in question can say the same.
If there is one thing that I am sure of, that's my loyalty to XS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
XS_DDTUNG:cool:
And anyone else who cares to listen... (Please drag everyone over to read this if you think I'm doing any better than usual :nuts: )
We are suffering from a crisis of conscience and faith here (me included :hitself: )
The choices we have:
1. Beat DPC @ any cost, even the effective dissolution of the XS team. I'm seeing Rods view that we sorta lose our soul then, even if we make DPC 2nd. OTOH we get past the frustration of watching apparent (since we have no absolute proof) evil intention, however much we believe.
2. Get / keep together and keep D2OLing with faith that something will be done to allow confirmation/identification or disallow completion of invalid / massively redundant data. The timeframe for this is uncertain @ best.
3a. Drop D2OL altogether now but keeping XS points in XS and keeping most of our XS soul, but acknowledging the real possibility of the failure of the D2OL project and leaving ourselves open to being called quitters. Which leads to...
3b. What do we all decide to do next?
Deciding which of these directions to focus on comes down to a personal decision whether D2OL is a valid fight or a futile and useless one. The data we question is not bad, just possibly redundant. We have vengence and competition vs. project integrity and our level of commitment to the XS name. Each of us has to decide where we stand in our hearts and minds.
I've tried to follow what is happening and I think the :cow:s have won in this in that they have divided us and made us lose our focus. We know what both sides think and we just have to decide who to follow. It is time to think for a moment, then do whatever we think is both right and relavent
I've also tried to expose the main elements of this this division and I hope that this will help you each best understand them and in turn your feelings relating to them.
I am thinking that I just want to keep going where we are and see where the path we started leads for abit further. (D2OL under XS)
Let me know what you think, just like before. Then we can go from there. Together I hope :)
We need to push for an anti-cheating software/system, cant be that hard to do. If they are cheating, find proof and let the d2ol people deal with it by kicking them out, dont just give up. nobody said it was going to be easy? Life wasnt meant to be easy. Did we think the cows were going to roll over and die? its disheartening to think that my hard work/resources crunching 24/7 is being made a mockery by some dip:banana::banana::banana::banana: re-uploading cans and then laughing at us:upset:
This should be the start of a new page, not just for xs, but for d2ol, they need to pull up their socks and get with it and realize that the cheating is hurting their program and do something about it!
how long does it take DDT to do 1.6 million cands?Quote:
OTOH we get past the frustration of watching apparent (since we have no absolute proof) evil intention, however much we believe.
I'd like to figure out what kind of cpu power they have behind all their projects.
Since this has now been brought into the open, I copy and paste one of my posts for those who missed it:
I am not going to repeat the reasons why I am convinced that the ICA_COWs are cheating. I do, however, owe my teammates an explanation of why I decided to switch to FDC under XS_DDTUNG.
Having considered the options of 1. quitting D2OL 2. doing the same as ICA_COWs, either alone or with the help of other teammates 3. inviting outside help(ronbo, etc) 4. switching but carrying the XS name, I decided on switching.
The ICA_COWS did this to stay in #1 for as long as they can. This 1. hurts the project by distorting the results 2. is not fair to other participants, not only XS but all the others who contributed truthfully 3. insults my intelligence.
Switching to FDC under XS_DDTUNG 1. reaffirms my dedication to XS 2. continues to help the D2OL project 3. puts the cows in #2 position where they should be 4. draws the attention of other participants 5. is reversible if we ever decide to do so.
If you agree with my thinking, you are most welcome to join me, with XS in front of your username of course.
DDTUNG
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DDTUNG:cool:
this tells me that, when it comes to competition`s there will be cheaters. And when nothing is done to prevent it it will continue.. therefor i dont feel to "compete" in this enny more
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Originally Posted by STEvil
4 months approximately, or 3 months with the office P4s.
DDTUNG:cool:
no ones doubting u DDTUNGQuote:
Originally Posted by DDTUNG
for a good reason ur called our spiritual leader around here..
lets look at it this way, since much of it is out in the open, it wud've taken only 1 from free-dc to come over and sunk DPC to 2nd place, not a whole team to go over to free-dc
ronbo couldve come over and we couldve stayed away from this storm
i have alot of respect for u DDTUNG, thats why im saying this,
you and nhenhophach and everyone else that went over to FDC....
GET YOUR BUTTS BACK OVER HERE AND LETS FINISH THIS!
DONT LET XS DISOLVE LIKE THIS, COME ON DDTUNG
its in your hands
Hmm I just got up. Everything I know atm is that the cows were/are cheating (I already thought that somehow).
But the thing I dont get is, why is everyone leaving XS? Nobody of our team cheated ?!? or did someone???
If the reason for this was to stop DPC from cheating, what do you think will they do when another team comes close to them?
I am quite confused and somehow pissed off, as I told a lot of people to install D2OL on their machines. I have no idea what I can tell them now :(
OK... now that this turned into a somewhat a farce... there's no point with D2OL... atleast to me.
Had to ad this has been really fun occasionally:) because of the people here:clap:
just keep going for now, things are getting worked out.
FYI ronbo54 has not agreed to come over yet, or I and the others would be back already.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Why is it that everyone thinks XS is dissolving? Those who went over are carrying XS before their names, and will be back in a heartbeat. All the core members of XS are still around, though some are starting Rosetta and would have done so even if this incident had not taken place. By continuing we would have invited the ICA_COWS to 'dump' more cands, thereby hurting the project more than they already have.
Just sit tight. One of three things can happen:
1. Enough XS folks go to FDC to knock DPC out of #1
2. Ronbo54 or one of the other heavyweights comes to XS and we knock DPC out of #1
3. Neither of the above happens, but at least ICA_COWS have stopped 'dumping'
On Jan 1 we can decide whether TEAM XS has dissolved. I think not.
DDTUNG:cool:
DDTUNG! Now thats the best damn suggestion I've heard all night!Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
C'mon back, bring a clean plate and lets sit down and carve up these bas..whoops, I can't say that on a forum!
And I should clarify one thing: I wasn't questioning your loyalty in the least.
What I was saying is my feelings after a roller coaster night of wondering what the heck was happenning to this team.
If thats what came through, you have my public apology.
C'mon back, bring nhenhophach and the rest of the gang and we'll do this the way it was meant to be.
If that emotional speech didn't get to you, how about some logic:
XS right now is 1.2 million ahead of FDC, thats 1.2 mil LESS that have to be crunched to beat these fools. So bring your 3,190,850, nhenhophach's 288,981,LV_Dicedealers 139,279 and anyone else that can be talked into coming. Find one big player there to come and help out and we got them by the short..well we got them.
Now thats Irish logic I admit, but the numbers don't lie!
And besides, I would miss that picture of that beautiful roast in your avatar!
Makes me hungry every time I see it!
I can't think of anything else to try and talk you into it so I'll just say this:
Think about what I said for 2 mins and run the numbers yourself.;)
I'm still an XS member, just not inviting ICA to dump anymore false canidates...
Now there's a man with a clear head.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by lv_dicedealer
DDTUNG:cool:
Oops I spoke too soon. ICA_COWS are dumping again.
ok im kinda confused, thanks DDTUNG for letting us know whats going on but how do you know they'r dumping fake cands?:confused:
/Ed
and it's all on the same 117749 node that they dumped 152,000+ on yesterday!Quote:
Originally Posted by DDTUNG
How about a phone call to D2OL that we "feel" there is something fishy going on and have that node and all further results for it removed!
Mad_Mikee has already spoken to Charles B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
DDTUNG:cool:
We don't want to discuss this here and now, but it will become clear in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddieate
DDTUNG:cool:
well me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodzilla
I don't care about nr.1 2005 or not, but I care about team_xtremesystems.
have to read all this in detail later but atm I'm little bit confused 'bout what's going on here.
if team_germany stays free-dc I will make my own way and come back to team xs at the very beginning of the year.
I'm not at home now so no cands anyway from me atm, will wait what happens here the next days.
Greetz SoF
You're not the only one that's confused here...Quote:
Originally Posted by SoF
We have some that have moved over to FDC and Haven't moved back. Not sure what there intentions are at this point.
They will all be back shortly. Some are at New Year's Eve parties, some are having hangovers. Don't forget different time zones.:)
DDTUNG:cool:
Well you have less then 2.5 hours before the D2OL site changes over to the year 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDTUNG
OPP
- the time the stats need to show the changes
Thats what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr3ak
When this clock hits 24:00, it's all over:D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136084008
OPP
looks like things are in order then... Time to make my dump!
sheild thine eyes!!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136087472
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just checked stats.. holy crap rodimus... er rodzilla :D
anyone know Windforce or who XS_jikdoc is?
we need to fill them in on the move.
thats 1.2 mil between them
Yep, somebody better wake them up:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Less then 45 minutes left.
OPP
wish I knew them, I'd make a call! wakey-up, we neeeeeed you!:stick:
Just ICQ'd windforce..no response..no leads on jikdoc..looks like he might be in Germany from his avatar but no email or anything else to get to him..
maybe if I call all the Dr.'s in Germany!:rolleyes:
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Windforce must've got the message! He's back!
Find jikdoc and we are over the top!!!!!!!!!
There is about one more update left in 2005. When the minute hand hits 52 then that will be it for the year.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136090657
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One thing I have to mention, is that I'm impressed that the servers have, for the most part, not had any noticeable(from our end) trouble.I think Charles B. deserves some credit for that.
Just for the record.
We didn't make it in time, did we?
heh i was out, but got the pm's several people left. brought my cands back approx 3am EST. depending on when d2ol updated the switch, i think it was still 2005 somehwere in the world when i switched.