I'm planning on overclocking an opteron 170. Is this motherboard worth it considering it's drawbacks?
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I'm planning on overclocking an opteron 170. Is this motherboard worth it considering it's drawbacks?
My personal opinion . . . Absolutely! I have never had a board that could do this . . .
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5...s3iv0yp.th.jpg
What drawbacks are you referring to? And yes, I think it's worth it. Good voltage regulation and it usually has no htt wall, like the above poster showed. BTW, what ht link were you using? I hear 2.5 is good for that sort of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by foodfightr
I'd say its worth it. The issues look to be fixed. A few rare cases and that was it.
I like the Expert a lot over my Ultra and SLI DR. Stable voltages, better layout, solid HT bus speeds, and awesome BIOS tweaks. If you're not hardcore it may not be worth the bump from an older DFI Nf4 board. But, if you want every advantage, its has a few of them.
Is there really THAT big of a diffrence? I ran 480HTT through my mobo aswell and MRICE did 500 on his... big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
I find that the AD0 revision SLI-DR is actually better than the eXpert board in terms of voltage stability, high HTT and "overclockability."
:woot: i got a AD0 tooQuote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10101962fh.jpg
YES, the Expert is definately better than MOST of the older DFI boards. BUT the exception is the rev AD0 boards recently released. Where did you guys get yours as I'm currently on the hunt for one ;)
Did you even read my post? Did I say there was a "big" difference? No I didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by eBoy0
Not to mention that high HTT speeds was only one of several advantages I noted. The biggest advantage is layout which no other NF4 board matches at this time. Next is the jumperless SLI and Vdimm settings. Then the better voltage stability. Last on the list is HTT speeds...lol:)
How many Expert mobos did you try? I say this because any single mobo can be a good clocker or not. I've now gone through 3 Experts, one was fair. It didn't out perform my old modded DFI Ultra. But, the next 2 boards rocked. Both outperformed my golden Ultra board (no small feat as that Ultra took me to the top of the ORB last February).Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
Anyway, with the improved layout of the Expert, I wouldn't even waste my time with the old SLI DR. Compared to the Expert, the layout simply sucks. Just my opinion of course.
That said, if I was looking for a non SLI board where layout didn't matter, I'd certainly consider the new SLI DR.
Good point there, but let me just say that the RevAD0 DFI boards are quite a bit different than all the prior rev boards. This time, there were some major HW changes which vastly improve the boards' stability and voltages ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
3 Expert boards and 12 SLI-DR boards, does that qualify? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
Actually, I think a lot of the component changes on the rev AD0 SLI-D(R)/Ultra-D boards are the same as those found on the Expert boards...
Hmmmm...I wonder where you'd get an idea like that??? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
From looking at a rev AD0 and Expert side by side ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Hmmm..ok then...I wonder where I'd get an idea like that????? lol.....Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
From....looking...at an AD0....and....Expert side by side?? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
look, stephen, i can't teach you everything... ;)
Hahahahha....wow I must be good, especially considering I don't even own a rev AD0 (but am actively seeking one)......Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
hehehe, so what has changed on the new AD0 revision boards?
i've been thinking about getting an expert board too, but i'm not sure if i should just get an sli-dr :confused:
The Expert and the old SLI-DR are the same price anyway, so why not go with the Expert? And back at the guy who got a AD0 SLI-DR, where'd ya get it from?:slobber:
Newegg has AD0 SLI-DR boards now.
You can get the RevAD0 in the ultra-d's as well ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
wonder if you ment me? I got it from Mwave bout a month back.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
are the new expert boards much more difficult to set up compared to the older dfi's?
i've read a few posts where people have had trouble with the memory settings, or say they haven't been able to clock as high as with a normal lanparty board
i wanted the dr model for the extra sata ports :)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
what's been changed on the AD0 boards?
is it just things like the capacitors?
interesting my DFI NF4 Ultra-D is R.AD0 as well
tell s7e9h3n where you got that eva2000...he's been looking for one
Ummm, I'm not about to buy one from Australia...:slap: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
LOL.. must be old revision as my NF4 Ultra-D is several months old now :)
Where do you look to find revision???
on the sides of the pci slots
^^
I checked but all it has is numbers on it. No model or revision, and I checked all slots...
what about the UT RDX200? How well does this board work?
I woudlnt get it. Get the a8n32-sli deluxe. i threw out my expert and got one of these and so far i am loving it!
But can´t be overstated enough. Don´t get A8n32 if you plan on SLI. Then you can´t use your X-Fi or any other PCI cards you have :(. The problem with the Expert though is that you can´t fit any other PCI E card if you have SLI either. Unless you somehow can fit that AGEIA physics card in between :p. But I guess you can´t do that with Asus a8n32 either...
DFI SLI-DR in that case have a better layout then both the expert and the a8n32 deluxe... Also the old Asus a8n deluxe is better if you look for expandability.
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Originally Posted by oqvist
Not true! I was able to fit both of my 7800GTX 256's both outfitted with Zalman coolers and my X-Fi card. There is a capacitor that touches the card, but no problems.
Also, the Expert! has a MUCH better layout than the SLI-D(R) boards. With the earlier boards, you could only use 1 PCI slot with SLI. With the Expert! you can use 2 PCI cards.
Plus if you use WC they will fit no problem.
I have seen quite a few people getting experts shipped with battery/battery holder problems, bent ics, bent backplate!, etc
if you have a dual core the a8n32-sli deluxe limits the vcore :(
i'm sticking with dfi, i'm just not sure which one :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by SVTSnake
Yes you get free PCI slots but 0 free PCI E slots with the Expert. For now I preferr the extra free PCI slot for my tv tuner even if that means I need to ditch my Xcard :(.
But the airflow must be crap for that second GTX with a X-Fi that close to it. It´s full size after all.
Well I'm looking to get either the Asus A8N32 or the DFI Expert, to be honest I can't make my mind up, I won't be using SLI but I enjoy overclocking currently have a DFI SLI-D and I have an AMD X2 so will the Asus be good for overclocking or will it have to be the DFI?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
Asus is a great overclocker from what I have heard. Some say if you get a solid DFI board it clocks better but there seem to be many that get crappy experts. So a bit of a gamble...
Now there is people having issues as well with the new Asus.... Safe bets is probably still the older Asus/DFI models...
But every mainboard seem to have some major drawback if you run SLI :(
whats the OC ability like on the Asus A8N32 if you have a single core, for instance a single core opteron?
Also what is the probable max HTT on the Asus 32 if running a Single core opteron?
thanks
agree. i cant get more that 270x10 1t on expert with tccd 2x512. for tccd overclocking i dont sugest expert board. dont know about b/ch5/6/utt.Quote:
Originally Posted by oqvist
but... now im testing 290x10 2T 2.5-3-3-6 with very tight subtimings - and so far it seems at least benchable :) will post screenshots if it will be so ;)
Go with the a8n32 trust me I was down the same path and felt like a retard for getting the expert. First of all I always felt a little nervous whern hitting the power button hoping my cpu wouldnt fry lol. Also they shipped the board with a broken battery holder, cmos would reset each time I powered down pc and turned off atx power button. Some guy got his board and the back plate was bent. I am not happy with the way they ship the boards and the whole random cpu vcore boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
A8n32 will overclock like a champ but it will be much more stable/solid than the expert.
Mike(mdzcpa) said the ea8n32 is okay for oc and expert will be much better but after testing the board i doubt it. once i get my vapo mike im going to have to give your highest oc a run :D this board can deff. push my fx57 to its limit.
you can run sli no problem will be a little tight though. if you have WC its great
only guys like opp/pedro/OPB need the expert for all of the crazy adjustments cause they shoot for over 3.7ghz ocs. few people here are going for those speeds and its only for benchmarks. but when you run 24/7 no one can sustain those speeds and thats exactly why the asus is better, it is much more stable and when we are looking at 24/7 overclock it will do just as good as dfi but with more stability
Ummm....these are my 24/7 settings ;) :Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4...x26232m4bl.jpg
I've got $20 that says you won't even be able to boot at those settings on the Asus board :D
Very nice... What mem are you using.
Twinmos old BH5Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
Well that's it then it'll be great for what I want, as I said I'm not after every MHz possible but I enjoy overclocking to be honest I'm frightened of the DFI with the way it sets the CPU voltage I have killed 2 CPU's in my current DFI board and now looking at how it applies the voltage that could have been what caused it like I was running a 1. something volts plus 123% as I remember plus I was astounded when angry-games slated onepagebook that to me was plain wrong of him, what on earth would he say to someone like me who by comparison to onepagebook is a complete noob?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
I was really hoping to see a real overclocker like yourself recommend the Asus. I look forward to seeing your results under vapo.
Cheers.
Yes me too. I have gotten dribbled here and there. Expert in dangerous I has to wait. No it´s maybe okay only 1 in a thousand that has issues, normal for a launch.
No wait there is more people getting issues all the time. But I must have the Expert for it´s design. Hard time get my PSU to fit over the evaporator tube...
But no damn the Expert there is just to much issues... But I still must have that PCI slots available at least two and DFI is said to be more overclockable...
But damn I do think it´s either DFI older version or Asus A8n32 deluxe now but then I need to decide about power supply. Had pretty much decided on a 510 ASL because it was the most compact of the high end PSUs but that won´t matter if I don´t get that perfect layout of the Expert I am screwed anyway...
So now wondering if I should sell my Vappo and go air/water cooling instead. Just because of dumb mainboard layout and to cramped case design by Asetek... If they just had added more width to the case. I mean they already have the front that is wider than the rest of the case for no reason than for looks I guess. Could as well make the case that wide to begin with...
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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I've got $2000 that says that is nowhere near stable.(sp32mb? ROFL) :stick:
Go prime or go home. :slapass:
Stability is measured is many different ways but I'll tell you what if I were you I'd reduce the amount of the bet, that guy really knows what he's up to and could prbably take your money off you.:D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Aviator
Heh, +1.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
Chances that it's Prime stable on a 800MHz+ OC under phase are high imo.
Chances that you could repeat that on an A8N32 are pretty high too, from my limited experience of the board on phase. Prime stable 900MHz OC on a Venice 3000+ E6 wasn't at all shabby.
You got that bet I hope you have paypal because once my modded LS is here your $20.00 is mine. I will boot at those settings no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I am using a CABCE 0516 which thrives on cold temps :)
Maybe I will even beat your SPI score while I am at it. This can ram do 290+mhz
I'm siding with s7e9h3n on this one. He is using an auto cascade which is much colder and has a 0516 aswell as a 0513 and 0512 iirc. You underestimate his power.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
negative. you need to find some decent bh-5 before you can beat his pi ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
long way to go
Hmm how good are the Experts vdimm after 3.9v+? do it work well or will it crap out like on the lanparty nf4-d?, any one have testet that yet?
/me takes ringside seat. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
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Originally Posted by kimandsally
Glad to help bro. Will try to get the vapo back asap its undergoing some mods like I said before. I will give you guys a little taste of what the a8n32 sli dlx can do on air. Since I have a 0516 i am guessing it will be a piss poor oc on air but i can still show the potential.
hopefully i can do something like 285*11 or atleast 280x11 or so ;)
Try 250 x 12 first:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
Here's a little shot of stability @ stock volt:)
fx-55 - ballistix l503 2gb - pc p&c 1000 watt - expert mobo:) - chilly1 vapochill
Just a tryout shot how my expert is doing.. once I conclude it is stable
I will let my crazy fx-57s go on tonight:D
Also I tried a8n32 and 1009 bios enable and it let me use dividers I couldn't use before. Good news for a8n32 users:)
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5650/29jp.jpg
Why would a 0516 oc bad on air. They are all around good clockers. All 57's are. And why is the Vapo already back at the shop? you just bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
LOL...only after you volt mod it and put heatsinks on it. The Vmem sucks for anyone with BH5, and the Vcore limitation for X2 core chips is simply ridiculous. No offense, crash, but your not out there on the edge yet if you haven't found the limits of that Asus board.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
I'm not surprised you didn't care for the DFI. It isn't a plug n play board like the Asus is. But that's why you won't see an Asus at the top of the heap either. The Asus has far too many short comings to be a serious contender. It makes a better "vanilla" board for those looking for an easier time with things. Although the Asus may be a good fit for you (easy overclocker), it has serious shortcomings for others with different plans or hardware. For those with a X2 core, or BH5 memory, volt modding is a must. If you have SLI and want another PCI slot you can forget the Asus as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
C'mon crash, the layout BLOWS. If you water cool the cards you can forget about using any other PCI slots (unless you use the terrible low profile blocks that kill flow rate). If you run two dual slot vid cards in SLI you're hosed as well. The second vid card in SLI covers the cmos jumper for godsake!!! Sorry, no matter how you slice it, the Asus layout sucks big time.Quote:
you can run sli no problem will be a little tight though. if you have WC its great
Hardly. In fact, this is the exact reason I dumped the Asus...it just came up short for serious 24/7 clocks. I didn't have time to waste for volt mods, heatsinks, dividers that didn't work, RAID that didn't work, and constantly having to clear the cmos from overclocks that didn't work (which, BTW, is a total pain in the butt on the asus. You actually have to remove the second vid card to get to the cmos jumper!! And when you have water cooling, its a total pain in the A$$!! What a joke. Asus blew it big time on the layout). All this and waiting on BIOS updates to fix issues that shouldn't exist in the first place on a 24/7 gaming rig (RAID problems, divider problems, etc).Quote:
only guys like opp/pedro/OPB need the expert for all of the crazy adjustments but when you run 24/7 no one can sustain those speeds and thats exactly why the asus is better, it is much more stable and when we are looking at 24/7 overclock it will do just as good as dfi but with more stability
I live for serious 24/7 overclocked gaming rigs. I gave the Asus its fair shot and it came up short.....yet again. For serious 24/7 duty, with SLI and all the trimmings, the DFI still rules. You just have to invest time to get it to run stable. Now, if you don't want to invest that kind of time to tweak the DFI, the Asus is there for those who want things a little more plug n play (and who don't have to worry about that ridiculously screwed up layout).
Mike I have one thing to say about that........:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
It's a great view from the sidelines. I have neither the nads or the funds to play in this game......:) :) But my money is on s7e9h3n and DFI. :cool:
Perhaps this is a competition of clockers, but, to be honest, I don't even see this as a competition of the boards. Both have strengths and weaknesses in very different areas which make them a really bad match up.
As you can see from above, I've had my own personal frustrations with the Asus for the reasons mentioned. A board like this could never be in my case. ( I apologize, crash, if my response seemed to grumpy. I think you know the feeling after dealing with your dfi :) )
I don't think the DFI is without serious issues either...that's without a doubt. I'd certainly prefer a much larger portion of stability and safety to go with my overclocking options...thank you very much. But, in the end, for me, I guess I'm willing to weather the risks and tame the BIOS for the performance and layout.
Certainly others have their personal "best fit" as well. So the Asus can indeed fit better as well for some....perhaps many.
This is why I'll take issue with any clear "board of choice" right now. They all have issues.
EDIT - And, oh, BTW, I'd have to put my money on s7e9h3n :D
Hmmmm....well then - how long does prime need to run? ;) The reason I ask is because I have to do "maintenance" on my board if I let it run for extended lengths of time. Here's what happens after 30min of running:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviator
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1...ofrost15qq.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/364/moboall5qj.jpg
I've just been lazy, but for $2000, I'd be happy to reinsulate :D
Get ready to put-up or shut-up........
BTW, I'm running out the door right now to pick up one of those Rev. AD0 Ultra-D's. Can't wait to test that baby out:woot:
I just got my SLI-DR from NewEgg and its a AB0 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
I take it I can use standard MCW55 or the overly prced DD blocks NV7800 or whatever without issue on the SLI-DR (non Expert) using dual cards. I dont care about covering up the PCI slots or the jumpers. I will make an extended pcb board for the jumpers anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
Personally, I think the expert is better than Rev.AD0 SLI-DR, Ultra-D. I've tried 3 ADO SLI-DRs, and 3 ADO Ultra-Ds, 3 experts, and came to the conclusion that the expert is better while OCIng with my golden 0516.
The new ADO revision of the old LP NF4 series are certainly better than the previous revision, but still experienced the expert being better. I tried tweaking with all of the boards, and the expert gave me the best 32mb spi result. :)
I am not as concerned with how people say it clocks for them between the 2 boards, we all know both boards are great for clocking. I am more concerned with whether a bios release from DFI has fixed the cpu issue, and the board's layout bonus compared to the SLI-DR.Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
If I get confirmed word from a solid source that the cpu issue has been addressed, you will soon see my brand new SLI-DR up for Sale so I can grab the Expert. I will be running in SLI mode, so space is a premium for me. Dont want the cards right up next to each other if I can help it. Certainly doesnt help the ram temps regardless of the cores being water cooled.
^ Listen to the WR holder of spi32m :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
But I'm still needing/wanting a board to play with using TCCD....and that's one of the Expert's shortcoming. The AD0 should fill that void ;)
May be you need to insulate the back better;)
Can I see some photos of the back of your mob?
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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Me too. I really don't want to put in a golden 170 if the cpu issue is not fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calderbrae
Exactlly.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
Eh, looks like it was a very few boards that did this, but a few is enough for me to consider not buying it. I dont have tons of cash laying around, so replacing a cpu would not be goooood.
Well it would sureley have to be atleast 24 hours minimum. Looking at what happens after 30 minutes I don't know if its phsyically possible for the board to survive for 24h under load like that :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Oooo frost:toast: !
Aviator: You need to read properly!
It is obviously not insulated well enough.. has nothing to do with his "set up."
I am sure it will run 24:D
mdzcpa - always providing a very cival reality check. :D Well at least you let him down easy. I'm still looking forward to the results from CrashOv3r1De. Just some prelude shots on air would be nice at this point. Once the modded Vapo is ready he might make it interesting. But as far as claiming the $20 bet ... file that under smack talk.
Aviator, you're in way over your head.... If you don't mind, post a pic of that check before your send it? That would be as kool as s7e9h3n's screenie... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviator
Trust me I know about insulation and the back of my mobo is insulated more than you can imagine. Just ask chilly1 or njkid. They've both seen my rig. I first coat the back of the mobo with conformal coating, then I lay down a sheet of insulation similar to seal string. After that I cover it with strips of that neoprene tape. Then I mount it the board to another 1/2" piece of neoprene. I'l get pics when I get a chance;) The issue is just that this autocascade is nothing like anybody's ever seen before. It's capacity is absolutely off the charts. At 1.70Vcore the evap is ~-74C idle....loaded you ask? hehehehe....-68C :cool: I get temps similar/better than people using dry ice and the best part of it is that I don't have to keep on filling a cylinder. Chilly1 keeps bugging me to bring the unit back over so he can add some more r14 which he says will allow the unit to HOLD @ -120 evap:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
Hahahaha...I just noticed this part of your post. GL beating that time with your vapo. The only way you'd be able to beat that time would be if your cpu was the best fx57 that anyone's ever seen (which of course may be a possibility) or chilly1 is cascading 2 vapo's for you ;) Here's something else to shoot for after you beat my 32m time :D :Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/6310/14x2658m1ip.jpg
OR just in case your unit can't hold temps for that long.......
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6149/14x2651hd.jpg
:toast: I'll get to work on that prime as soon as I finish reorganizing my bench.....;)
Okay Expert may be good for benching but how about 24/7 oc on a gaming rig? Is the Expert stable at that?
I guess benching overclocking and gaming overclocking with less then optimal coding often can be quite different things :)
Lol stephen dont make me buy a cascade just so i can get your $20 (atleast it will cover seller fees if i sell it on ebay)
Here my ultra-d and sli-dr with back jacket...3 mos straight with -90C no condensation problem:)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/2...ture0386ia.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9804/im0001867cd.jpg
Black jacket? What is this made from?
Reason I went with the ASUS is because of the condition DFI boards have been shipped to people. That just pissed me off, I dont want to play the lottery and see what I will win, burnt cpu, broken battery holder, missing IC, etc. Once they get that all fixed I will consider going back to the DFI.
Everytime I booted up my computer I was nervous that I would get the one in a billion and blow a cpu or something. I didnt get it because I am dumb and cant overclock and cant figure out its settings. The few days I had before RMA time I played with the DFI and was able to get the FX57 to approx 3.08 or so because the damn room is too hot.. Figuring that board out is no problem for me at all. Another reason I like the Asus is that the mb chipset runs colder than the DFI making the computer quieter overall.
Yes I have to admit the lay out sux but I can live with that because running my XFX GTX512 @ 600/1850 24/7 is more than enough for me. I dont really need SLI. I have Xbox 360. But yes the layout blows that is a weakness however I feel much safer using the A8N32 than the eXpert.
Stephen we shall see buddy :) Im ready for you. Just need that damn vapo wow those chilly1 blocks take a long time to ship. We will rumble yet ;)
My gaming rig runs 24/7 at 288 x 12. That puts my 2 x 1G ballistix at 1:1 288mhz @ 3-3-3-8, and my FX 57 at 3450mhz. My dual GTX 512s run at 630/1900 without volt mods, but water cooled. The CPU is cooled by an unmodded Mach II.Quote:
Originally Posted by oqvist
Full system specs at 24/7 settings:
DFI Expert
FX57 @ 3.45
2G Ballistix at 288 3-3-3-8 @ 2.68v
2 x GTX 512s in SLI
2 x 74G Raptors in RAID 0 for OS and Apps
1 x 300G Seagate for storage
X-Fi sound card for top end sound
NEC DVDROM
Plextor DVD Burner
PCP&C 510 SLI ASL
The system can run higher for benching, but it is run here for 24/7 duty.
The system is fully self contained in the case and is never shut off. It benches in the Top 20 on the ORB and is completely stable. Although it is heavy, it is portable and has been to LAN parties.
Is that what you mean by stable? ;)
Damn show off :p
Sounds good to me :)
I certainly meant no offense above with my comments crash. But, you are kind of changing your story a bit here. In other threads you came right out and said you had trouble getting the board to run right. You also seem to indicate in this thread that the asus "is more stable." Although I can understand that this may indeed be your personal experience, I certainly haven't seen it myself. In fact, there are many folks who have the Expert really humming along nicely now.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
Now this is a very understandable position. I can see how folks would feel this way.Quote:
I feel much safer using the A8N32 than the eXpert
Again, crash, I meant no offense. I said what i did because the expert is a challenging board. Everything we learned about the old DFI Ultras and SLI-DRs can be thrown out the window. It took me serious trial and error time to get my Expert mobos running well. Although my comment may not have applied to you, i am sure there are others that will find the board too much to contend with.
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Originally Posted by Calderbrae
Yes, you can....but it will be very very tight. When I used the MCW55s on my modded Ultra D the top block touched the back of the bottom card. That was okay as it only touched the "rubber nub" on the waterblock back mounting plate.
This is why i like the Expert so much better. There is plenty of room for any type of blocks without having to mess around. Pulling things in and out of the system, or re-configuring the blocks is no hassle now.
aviator> he has the board covered in conformal spray AFAIK and as long as the humidity doesn't shoot up like a rocket and the cooler stays on he could run with it frosted over like that for a long time.
I personally hate my ultra-d's they freak out on me to much. And the power regulation sucks. Other than that they work great. I wanted to try the asus but you don't make it sound to good mike :(
Please don't misunderstand me. The Asus IS a good board. Probably one of the better AMD Asus boards I can remember in a long long time. They definitely got serious about overclocking on the A8N32. Its a solid board that really flys. It only falls short in a few places....and that is in extreme voltage options and layout. Both of these short comings may not apply to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
For example, if you run a single core processor and you are not running BH5, the voltage choices are fine. If you run BH5 you may want a volt mod to push it along. If you have a dual core CPU, you may also find the voltage choices a bit lean for water cooling...and definitely lean for phase change.
For the layout, if you don't have any other PCI cards you want to run, your fine as well. SLI or not won't matter. You can certainly run two cards water cooled, or two dual slot cards air cooled just fine as long as you don;t care about any other PCI cards.
I'm NOT slamming the Asus in general terms. Its a great board that has some shortcomings that just need to be factored in. If the layout and average voltage options aren't an issue, there is no reason not to have the Asus at the top of the list. But, if layout is a concern, and/or you want hearty voltage choices, the DFI is a better option IMOHO. That's all.
Here is a little taste. Notice a few things here I set the vcore to 1.5v for just some quick results because the gf was here. I didnt want any try and fail just a quick stable 250x12. Myabe this could of been done at stock vcore :P Vdimm was at stock. Now the 3dmark score is on the low end because the htt multi is set to 3 have to change this back to 4 and will do another urn in a few min followed ben805's thpost when he said set it to 3x thats wrong
http://images.snapfish.com/3458%3A45...%3A%3A26nu0mrj
will shoot for 3.1G in a few min also please find a way to enlarge the image snapfish wont let me do it i didnt not resize it or anything they are being ghey
whats the best FREE place to host images where they dont resize or do any gay crap
Yup thats why I love the board, I am using ballistix which fly on stock volts and a fx57. Its not like the expert is beyond my understanding or too hard for me to oc, im too l33t to let that board get the best of meQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
LOL...you need a magnifier to see any of those numbers on that screen. Use a photo editor to first crop off that extra desktop space we don't need to see then post it up @ imageshack.us. Maybe then we could compare some numbers. Right now it looks like little ants walking across my monitor :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
Ahahaha, doing it now. 260x12 was a no go. Too damn hot in the room plus stock hsf sux. Oh baby :/
Hmmmm....well I don't own 7800GTX, but I did manage to make a couple of runs with Fugger's 256mb 7800GTX. I had no idea what I was doing with 3dMark so consider this run totally unoptomized. The card was clocked @ 500/1250:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
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You'll see soon than I should come close to this after learning how to tweak for 3dmark using my x850xtpe ;)
my stock fx57 + gtx512 does 9060 so its faster than yours :) i just screwed something up when ocing. still havent had time to play with all fo the settings.
Lol.. how can someone not break 9k with ease when you have 512 GTX in hand!:rolleyes: He used only 256!!
Your not gonna catch steven in spi with asus and ballistix;)
Considering that 3d05 isn't too cpu dependant and a stock gtx512 should blow the doors off any 256mb gtx, that's not saying too much....;) For a little more "fair" comparo of the two procs/mobo's we can turn to 3d01 - This is my x850xtpe....you should at least make up some of the cpu speed with your gtx512 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
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well your gonna have to wait a while i cant bench the damn thing almost shut off at 250x10 cpu is already 52C idle. the room is too hot. need to get a hold of some water cooling or vapo asap.,