Initial 955XE PCMark05 results

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12-20-2005, 12:50 AM
mike

Initial 955XE PCMark05 results

After playing with the INtel 955XE for just a couple of hours I decided to give it a bit of a cold treatment - this chip looks like a winner! 11222 points so far.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9766/112225kk.th.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/1...ults4ue.th.jpg

Going to push it a bit further later! Intel finally looks to be on top of things!

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9618/2115nj.th.jpg

Still preliminary testing! Motherboard ( Asus P5WD2-Premium - 955)giving me some cold-boot trouble...
12-20-2005, 01:12 AM
Kunaak

I don't see anything there to make me think that score is from the CPU alone.

your General Hard drive usuage is about 4 times higher then the current highest PCmark2005 score... and that guys using some seriously insane SCSI stuff...

your start up score is also about 4 times higher then the current top.

your hard drive virus scan is also twice as high as his...

his HDD Start up score... 23.9

yours... 79.2

heres the score I am looking at, the current top for the ORB.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=199017

as far as I can see... no one can seem to match your hard drive scores on the front page of the ORB.
also, I see, that a 3.3 ghz X2 seems to be able to match your CPU portion of that benchmark...

so it would seem, your score is mainly from whatever hard drives your using, and from the looks of it, it looks like a Ram Drive of some sort...
but thats just my guess.
12-20-2005, 01:20 AM
mike

Yeah - it's pretty close - not sure - think the Intel has the upper hand - CLocks are not nearly maxed out on that run either - SLI helps the X2 score for now - here's the comparo

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2...paro5nu.th.jpg
12-20-2005, 01:31 AM
Kunaak

I'd say that it's that 2 gig ram drive thats giving you those scores.

don't get me wrong, I am stoked to finally see a 5+ ghz P4 Dual Core thats benchable, and not just a screen shot with LN2.
these new 955XE's look like a whole different league, then previous P4 DC Chips, which honestly I would have said to avoid at all costs if your a overclocker... they are just too damn hot, and don't OC all that great.
but this is definatly something different.
12-20-2005, 01:34 AM
mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

I'd say that it's that 2 gig ram drive thats giving you those scores.

don't get me wrong, I am stoked to finally see a 5+ ghz P4 Dual Core thats benchable, and not just a screen shot with LN2.
these new 955XE's look like a whole different league, then previous P4 DC Chips, which honestly I would have said to avoid at all costs if your a overclocker... they are just too damn hot, and don't OC all that great.
but this is definatly something different.

I'll run it with s single drive in a few should give a less screwd result - once the friggin mobo starts again. Has the coldbug...

Aprt from the SLI advantage only multithread #1 is faster otherwise the Intel is ahead
12-20-2005, 01:46 AM
Kunaak

out of curiousity, what are you using to cool this CPU and what kinda temps are you seeing??
12-20-2005, 01:52 AM
mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

out of curiousity, what are you using to cool this CPU and what kinda temps are you seeing??

Running dry ice atm - 1M @ 5.85GHZ was -60C inside the container and -49C on the bottom of container. With the PD 820 there would have been a 20-30C difference.vs the ~10C dfference with the 955xe. Chip runs a lot cooler compared to the old heater...

The PCMark05 run I only ran ~ -30C on the container bottom - beacuse the motherboard is acting strange. I have a feeling that there is a setting in the bios that shuts down the system - have to look into that.

Board will not let me boot with CPU temps below -35C...can't see CPU temps - can't see anything below 0C with the asus tool - and bios only until -20C I believe

Temps are pretty low compared the 6X0 and 8X0 series chips. HUGE improvement
12-20-2005, 03:35 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

I don't see anything there to make me think that score is from the CPU alone.

your General Hard drive usuage is about 4 times higher then the current highest PCmark2005 score... and that guys using some seriously insane SCSI stuff...

your start up score is also about 4 times higher then the current top.

your hard drive virus scan is also twice as high as his...

his HDD Start up score... 23.9

yours... 79.2

heres the score I am looking at, the current top for the ORB.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=199017

as far as I can see... no one can seem to match your hard drive scores on the front page of the ORB.
also, I see, that a 3.3 ghz X2 seems to be able to match your CPU portion of that benchmark...

so it would seem, your score is mainly from whatever hard drives your using, and from the looks of it, it looks like a Ram Drive of some sort...
but thats just my guess.

Mike's not running a Ramdrive (at least I'm pretty sure he's not). From the looks of it, he's running an LSI Logic Scsi Raid controller with a nice array of drives. Setting a partition just large enough to run PCMark is optimizing his score even further. Those controllers aren't considered cheats and they're not exactly cheap either ;) Nice work Mike....maybe I'll have to send you my sample PCI-E Sata2 RAID controller which I should be getting soon......:toast: .
12-20-2005, 04:11 AM
Kunaak

show me how to do this and I will believe you...

I've done this almost always for the last 4 years.
it's never once given the kinda scores I am seeing here...
I have a raptor drive here, so speeds not a huge issue.
I also have 2 more coming this week.

I want to see this then...
12-20-2005, 04:26 AM
VictorWang

hey mike, very nice scores
you put it under LN2 or something ?
besides... ur ram ... 516mhz 4-3-2-4.......... crazy !
12-20-2005, 04:51 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

show me how to do this and I will believe you...

I've done this almost always for the last 4 years.
it's never once given the kinda scores I am seeing here...
I have a raptor drive here, so speeds not a huge issue.
I also have 2 more coming this week.

I want to see this then...

If you've been using onboard RAID, there's no way you'll ever see scores that even enter the same league as Mike's. Onboard stuff all runs through an asic which in turn requires cpu resources making it a further disadvantage. If you run a separate controller card, you free up those resources and also gain the ability to run configs which aren't possible using software controlled asics. 3 74G raptors running sofware Raid5 looks like a snail when you compare it to 10 15k u320 SCSI drives in Raid10 on a PCIE LSI Logic controller. To give you an idea of just how much processing power is required to run such an array, my SATA2 pcie Raid controller is supposed to be powered by an Intel onboard processor running in the neighborhood of 500-600 mhz.....;)
12-20-2005, 01:25 PM
freecableguy

glad this CPU is working out for you, mike

you're right, does look likethis ones a winner :D
12-20-2005, 01:37 PM
Major

Well i've not built a new Intel rig in quite some time, BUT this is looking very interesting !! :D
12-20-2005, 01:43 PM
Gautam

Very nice work Mike, though I do sorta want to see what you could do with an X2 matched with those hard drives and cooling. ;) Interesting cold bug though...

Edit: Damn, it's that pi score that looks most impressive to me...sooo close to 21 sec range!
12-20-2005, 01:45 PM
vanovich

nice ,what ram are u using? with those timmings . nice to see intel scoring good .what about any 3dmarks tests?
12-20-2005, 03:10 PM
mike

Very nice chip FCG- TY!! Doesn't do too well on air ( Miami tropical air...) - compared to the other 2 I see here on XS - but under cold it does fairly well.

I haven't even touched the limits - since I basically can't get a reboot done @ -40C without the motherboard going on strike. Not sure if it is the 606 bios - or the board is just a dud- well was a egg refurb - will have to look for another one soon...

Incredible chip - so far it has been the most exciting CPU I have been playing with in a while. The overclocking potential is just amazing.

Compared to an X2 @ 3.3GHZ the chip is doing about 400-600 points more PCmarks wise - but like I said - I don't think that this is nearly the limit of clocks that I reached so far and the differnce could become bigger.

I have a feeling 3DMarks wise the X2 could potentially be stronger- but I will look into that in the next few days.

The HDD socres were I-RAM but can be beaten with a serious U320 array and some deep tweaking - which also helps more on virus scan than I-RAM. My 2nd channel died for some reason and now 40mb/s is max I could get on XP start-up - until I get the LSI repaired...

The ram - can't talk too much about it yet - but i can go to a much higher level if pushed on voltage some more - 1040mhz DDR2 was the max @ 4.3.2.4.2 with 2.25V ( Bios 2.3V) on the stock mobo

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5...0mem8vl.th.jpg

SuperPI should be easily in the 20s and lower- was not optimzed just a quick run to see how far I could go
12-20-2005, 03:16 PM
zakelwe

Can you post a Hexus version pifast score so I can compare to FX-55/57?

Regards

Andy
12-20-2005, 06:13 PM
VictorWang

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeguava

Very nice chip FCG- TY!! Doesn't do too well on air ( Miami tropical air...) - compared to the other 2 I see here on XS - but under cold it does fairly well.

I haven't even touched the limits - since I basically can't get a reboot done @ -40C without the motherboard going on strike. Not sure if it is the 606 bios - or the board is just a dud- well was a egg refurb - will have to look for another one soon...

Incredible chip - so far it has been the most exciting CPU I have been playing with in a while. The overclocking potential is just amazing.

Compared to an X2 @ 3.3GHZ the chip is doing about 400-600 points more PCmarks wise - but like I said - I don't think that this is nearly the limit of clocks that I reached so far and the differnce could become bigger.

I have a feeling 3DMarks wise the X2 could potentially be stronger- but I will look into that in the next few days.

The HDD socres were I-RAM but can be beaten with a serious U320 array and some deep tweaking - which also helps more on virus scan than I-RAM. My 2nd channel died for some reason and now 40mb/s is max I could get on XP start-up - until I get the LSI repaired...

The ram - can't talk too much about it yet - but i can go to a much higher level if pushed on voltage some more - 1040mhz DDR2 was the max @ 4.3.2.4.2 with 2.25V ( Bios 2.3V) on the stock mobo

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5...0mem8vl.th.jpg

SuperPI should be easily in the 20s and lower- was not optimzed just a quick run to see how far I could go

hey man... you are really lucky to have the ram...monster !
my 1gb*2 can only 2.3v 470mhz 4-3-2-4-2 hyperpath3=on, ecc=on :(
12-20-2005, 08:44 PM
Sneaky

DAMN GUAVA! GOOD STUFF!

that PCMark 05 score is pure RAPE

edit: was seeing things
12-21-2005, 06:03 AM
Mathias-K

Very impressive :)

I'm looking forward to seeing 3D scores!
12-21-2005, 06:22 AM
eva2000

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woah that's crazy slaughter's my puny 7,710 score with Opteron 170 @2800mhz http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=195265 :)

i posted a pcmark05 excel calculator here http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=787 you can change each component's results for the suite score and see how it effects the final score... me thinks the hdd scores helped alot for 955XE :)

changing just hdd start up, file decryption, hdd general and audio compression on my excel spreadsheet for my opteron 170@2800mhz to your 955XE values put me at 10,200+ pcmark05 without taking into account virus scan which is a big boost in scores :D
12-21-2005, 06:33 AM
mrlobber

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeguava

The ram - can't talk too much about it yet - but i can go to a much higher level if pushed on voltage some more - 1040mhz DDR2 was the max @ 4.3.2.4.2 with 2.25V ( Bios 2.3V) on the stock mobo

Mike, is that some special ram for you there which would be soon released into retail or are they only exceptional sticks picked out of the existing DDR2 around?
12-21-2005, 09:44 AM
speed bump

Sick sick sick there mike nice job.
12-21-2005, 10:58 AM
DEVIL K-ce

Nice scores :) :clap:

What manufactured memory ?
12-21-2005, 11:36 AM
neoman

Very nice scores idd :O Whit what are u cooling ur CPU ? Vapo or Casecade ?
12-23-2005, 10:58 PM
mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

i posted a pcmark05 excel calculator here http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=787 you can change each component's results for the suite score and see how it effects the final score... me thinks the hdd scores helped alot for 955XE :)

changing just hdd start up, file decryption, hdd general and audio compression on my excel spreadsheet for my opteron 170@2800mhz to your 955XE values put me at 10,200+ pcmark05 without taking into account virus scan which is a big boost in scores :D

LOL - paperbenching doesn't work too well crossplatform - specially not like that;)

Here's a comparo with a only 4.89GHZ on the 955XE with a slow single drive that would score 9mb/s in XP startup compared to the current #1 ( which is on a X2 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=199017 )

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2...dino8iv.th.jpg

As you can clearly see only in test #1 does the X2 @ 3.265GHZ pulls a tiny winy bit on the 955XE - in all other cpu tests the 955XE has the upper hand. and this was ONLY @ 4.9GHZ - I can run PCMark up to 5.8GHZ so far....which would COMPLETELY change the comparo...

As far as 3DMark05 I did a comparo with a FX57 on air @ 3GHZ and the 955XE on air @ 4.5GHZ - the FX57 was 300points faster. But I will look inot it some more when I get more time. Think here the X2 and FX57 will keep the upper hand - while 03 and 01 could bring yet a whole other picture where the Intel could get really strong under LN2 or triple cascade

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoman

Very nice scores idd :O Whit what are u cooling ur CPU ? Vapo or Casecade ?

Was running dry ice - but not nearly to it's full potential... only ~ -20C on the cores

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrlobber

Mike, is that some special ram for you there which would be soon released into retail or are they only exceptional sticks picked out of the existing DDR2 around?

Actually it was some ram I got for evaluation - I just got another set thru retail channels which didn't do :banana::banana::banana::banana: - don't want badmouth the company - but bascially it's the same fatty D9 Micron chips that are in Corsair 5400UL and 8000UL DDR2 ram. So yes they were just exceptionally pciked sticks
12-25-2005, 08:59 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeguava

LOL - paperbenching doesn't work too well crossplatform - specially not like that;)

and here i thought it did

Opteron 170 @2800mhz at 1.536v
2GB OCZ PC4000EB @254mhz 3-3-2-5 7-14-2223 at 2.64v
512MB HIS X1800XT @742/881
4X 80GB Hitachi 7K80 SATAII NCQ raid 0

http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...5_10962_tn.jpg

Compare against my 7710 score

http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...2vs7710_tn.jpg
12-25-2005, 09:01 PM
mike

Lol - software ramdrive changes everything yet again - doesn't it? GJ! I also see virus scan, file decyption etc. also got a nice boost! Awesome.

I think the more interesting comparison is X2/955XE on how the score in indivudal tests that are cpu related.
12-25-2005, 09:08 PM
eva2000

yes it does and in the real world now outside of pcmark05, i could use 4GB i-ram drive for windows OS i think and then use my 4x 80GB Hitachi 7K80 SATAII NCQ raid 0 array for data drives for hdd general usage and multi-task'd hdd virus scan (which the raid 0 array gets 101MB/s) like tasks = best of both worlds and higher performance theorectically than what i could get with PCmark05 :D
12-25-2005, 09:17 PM
mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

yes it does and in the real world now outside of pcmark05, i could use 4GB i-ram drive for windows OS i think and then use my 4x 80GB Hitachi 7K80 SATAII NCQ raid 0 array for data drives for hdd general usage and multi-task'd hdd virus scan (which the raid 0 array gets 101MB/s) like tasks = best of both worlds and higher performance theorectically than what i could get with PCmark05 :D

:confused:
12-25-2005, 09:24 PM
eva2000

i mean Futuremark disapproves of software ramdrives officially for pcmark05 but for real world use they're nice :)

my latest

Opteron 170 @2850mhz at 1.6v
2GB OCZ PC4000EB @259mhz 3-3-2-5 7-14-2223 at 2.64v
512MB HIS X1800XT @742/881
4X 80GB Hitachi 7K80 SATAII NCQ raid 0

http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...5_11074_tn.jpg

11,074 vs 10,962 and 11,074 vs 7,710
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...vs10962_tn.jpg http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...4vs7710_tn.jpg

3 way multi compare of 11,074 vs 10,962 vs 7,710
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL.../pcmark05.html

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12-25-2005, 09:25 PM
mike

what point are you trying to make here?
12-25-2005, 09:28 PM
eva2000

1. benching is fun :D
2. for pcmark05 drive speed/performance is heavily weighted some what :)

3d /2d components would be higher if i used my 2x 256MB 7800GTX SLI so well >11,074
12-25-2005, 09:41 PM
mike

so still slower than the 955XE - right? And only if you use software ram drive - not iram...lol
12-25-2005, 09:45 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeguava

so still slower than the 955XE - right? And only if you use software ram drive - not iram...lol

Sorry mike, don't look up, but I think Eva beat your score ;)
12-25-2005, 09:47 PM
eva2000

hard to say you're using 2x 7800GTX SLI clocked at ? as well right ?

that's a hefty component too i loose 800pts from changing from 2x 7800GTX SLI stock speed to 1x HIS X1800XT in pcmark05 as well
12-25-2005, 09:49 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

hard to say you're using 2x 7800GTX SLI clocked at ? as well right ?

that's a hefty component too i loose 800pts from changing from 2x 7800GTX SLI stock speed to 1x HIS X1800XT in pcmark05 as well

Well, to be fair, you're not using DI either eva, and if you are, it's time to get yourself a better container cuz +36C won't cut it :p:
12-25-2005, 09:54 PM
eva2000

Corsair Hydrocool 200 1/4" tubed water cooling
http://www.fileshosts.com/watercooli...4_SLI_DR/html/

in 35+ C weather but got portable air con to drop room temp to 28-30C heh

i can certainly see that 955XE has improved alot compared to other intel cpus though
12-25-2005, 10:03 PM
mike

Well - sorry if I stepped on your toes - didn't mean to. I was referring to your initial post that using my HDD startup and HDD useage on your system would never score you 10700points - espcially not giving you ANY gains in any of the other test you were referring to.

I never looked at your claculator - I only assumed that this was what your claculator gave you as a result - which again in real world would have been wrong.

Espcially using the score of a Intel system can be applied to a AMD system. I have run very extensive test on both platforms and this was simply a wrong statement.

RE dual cards:
No, I am running a single GTX, and not nearly at what it can do. My single 256mb card easioly scores over 12k and my 512mb card scores easily over 13k. If you want to compare each others scores on by one - let's do that. Sorry I don't have a X1800XT at the moment. But if that's what you are intending to do - let's play
12-25-2005, 10:07 PM
eva2000

no no.. no toes stepped on... all is fine :D

Just responding to kunaak's and others comments on the boost the hdd start up and general hdd usage does to your Pcmark05 score not any other benchmark :) For 3dmark05 you easily beat me my X1800XT stock hsf air in the system @2800mhz only does 11,058 3dmark05 heh
12-25-2005, 10:10 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeguava

Well - sorry if I stepped on your toes - didn't mean to. I was referring to your initial post that using my HDD startup and HDD useage on your system would never score you 10700points - espcially not giving you ANY gains in any of the other test you were referring to.

I never looked at your claculator - I only assumed that this was what your claculator gave you as a result - which again in real world would have been wrong.

Espcially using the score of a Intel system can be applied to a AMD system. I have run very extensive test on both platforms and this was simply a wrong statement.

RE dual cards:
No, I am running a single GTX, and not nearly at what it can do. My single 256mb card easioly scores over 12k and my 512mb card scores easily over 13k. If you want to compare each others scores on by one - let's do that. Sorry I don't have a X1800XT at the moment. But if that's what you are intending to do - let's play

Uh oh....Mike's about to take out the big guns ;)
12-25-2005, 10:24 PM
Charles Wirth

We know who is gonna win at PCMark. ;)
12-25-2005, 10:26 PM
eva2000

well not me on my current cpu cooling LOL
12-25-2005, 10:27 PM
mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

i can certainly see that 955XE has improved alot compared to other intel cpus though

actually the score differnce clock for clock is alomst non existent - similar like the difference between a 4600+ and a 4800+ - the huge imporvement is that the 955XE can bench @ around 6ghz while the 8x0 line was only able to bench around 4.5GHZ
12-25-2005, 10:35 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeguava

the huge imporvement is that the 955XE can bench @ around 6ghz while the 8x0 line was only able to bench around 4.5GHZ

that's as well, but what i was talking about was the 955XE air/water results posted on this forum too much better than previous intel cpus on the same cooling and running cooler apparently

because i only have air/water cpu cooling i rarely look at phase change results to determine what cpu is best for me heh
12-25-2005, 11:02 PM
mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

that's as well, but what i was talking about was the 955XE air/water results posted on this forum too much better than previous intel cpus on the same cooling and running cooler apparently

because i only have air/water cpu cooling i rarely look at phase change results to determine what cpu is best for me heh

gotcha - and I can assure you that the 955XE on air is faster than the current X2 on water - on the all the cpu relevant scores . Let's see what AMD will come out with soon. Tide can always turn quickly

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