So much for 3DMark06's good fps on today's hardware

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12-18-2005, 03:15 PM
Tim

So much for 3DMark06's good fps on today's hardware

http://resources.vr-zone.com//eventp...y/IMG_9087.JPG

Last but not least, a live demo of the upcoming 3DMark2006. This test is certainly longer than the current GT3 of 3DMark05 with much HDR effects in it. Even with a pair of 7800GTX in SLI, the average frame rate is a mere 11.2 fps.

VR-Zone coverage on HKEPC tech day 2005, scroll to bottom

I thought 3DMark06 was all about being "playable" on today's hardware? :confused:

They must be making very good progress when they already demo '06, hopefully they didn't cover optimizations yet :eh:
12-18-2005, 03:16 PM
vapb400

Ugh. Well that is certainly dissapointing.
12-18-2005, 03:19 PM
STEvil

were they running AA, Aniso, etc?

wait until we've got facts before we speculate.
12-18-2005, 03:21 PM
eBoy0

11 fps?:eek:
12-18-2005, 03:24 PM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

were they running AA, Aniso, etc?

wait until we've got facts before we speculate.

True, but still, two of today's high end GFX cards can't even manage more then 15fps....

For instance, 3DMark05.....the hardware at that time (6 series nVidia, ATI X800)couldn't run '05 properly too, to me it's all abit too crazy... so considering Futuremarks trackrecord...it isn't looking to well at all TBH....I can't comment on '03, because I wasn't really into high end PC's back then...

But I agree, let's wait and see :)

(rofl @ No photo allowed on A4 sheet :p:)
12-18-2005, 03:25 PM
Kunaak

3dmark always sucks for the first year you have it...

hell, 3dmark2003 is only now getting fun to do ;)
3Dmark2005 is bearable, but not so fun to do, cause it's choppy sometimes still.
12-18-2005, 03:41 PM
RAMMAN

can you say really long slideshow on non-sli/crossfire systems?
12-18-2005, 04:12 PM
perkam

Check the last line in the little white paper next to the lcd :p: Naughty Naughty :slapass:

Lets see what FM does when they get wind of this :p:

Perkam
12-18-2005, 04:13 PM
brickout

At least it's going to be a pretty slideshow. Maybe not on my 6600, as I'd rather see more than 1 fps!
12-18-2005, 04:18 PM
eBoy0

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Check the last line in the little white paper next to the lcd :p: Naughty Naughty :slapass:

Lets see what FM does when they get wind of this :p:

Perkam

Wut does it say? I don't have zoom-in extension installed:(
Edit: Ok now i do but i can't make out wut it says.
12-18-2005, 04:20 PM
WarAnakin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

3dmark always sucks for the first year you have it...

hell, 3dmark2003 is only now getting fun to do ;)
3Dmark2005 is bearable, but not so fun to do, cause it's choppy sometimes still.

Dude, you don't know how right you are !!
On my old graphic card, a GeForce FX5600 XT, 3dmark2003 was bearable but not fun to do . 3dmark05 was unbearable at all with 1 fps !!!
Now, i have an ATI 9800 PRO AIW. I find 3dmark03 fun ! But i find 3dmark05 as 3dmark03 for the old graphics card. This means that 3dmark06 will be unbearable at 1 fps !!! :D lmao
12-18-2005, 04:33 PM
Fr3ak

Quote:

Originally Posted by eBoy0

Wut does it say? I don't have zoom-in extension installed:(
Edit: Ok now i do but i can't make out wut it says.

It says "No Photp Allowed" ;)

I was happy that 05 aint that choppy with my new upgrades and now 06 will be most likely another (nice) slideshow ;)
12-18-2005, 08:25 PM
Stuperman

well, my 9600XT gets about (slightly worse actually) that in 05, so does that mean we will have to wait 2 generations of cards (or for quad cfire/SLI) to break into 5 figures?
12-18-2005, 08:47 PM
perkam

Traditionally...3dmark score from one generation to another have dropped to a 1/3rd...10k in 01 means 3.3k in 03 which means 1.1k in 05...which is about right for most. This however is not completely accurate due to varying cpu/shader dependencies of different versions.

But if we use the 1/3rd method for the moment, a X1800XT would score a 3k in 3dmark06 and the GTX 512MB to score 3.3k. Though we should see the R580 and the G71 hitting 5k+ on 3dmark06...

Perkam
12-18-2005, 08:49 PM
Dissolved

3dmark 01, 03, 05, 3dmark06?

they havent used an even year since 2000.
12-18-2005, 10:04 PM
Cybercat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dissolved

3dmark 01, 03, 05, 3dmark06?

they havent used an even year since 2000.

I like to think that graphics technology is moving so fast, that 3DMark05 became obsolete faster than they expected, and they're quickly having to release a new one that won't be CPU limited for an entire generation of cards.
12-19-2005, 02:29 AM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybercat

I like to think that graphics technology is moving so fast, that 3DMark05 became obsolete faster than they expected, and they're quickly having to release a new one that won't be CPU limited for an entire generation of cards.

That's right...one big factor for them is that we are already very very cpu limited :)
12-19-2005, 03:39 AM
MaSell

I want faster cpus, not vga... Why?
WRs:
3DM01 - ~50k
3DM03 - ~40k

Cpus was too slow:(
12-19-2005, 04:48 AM
Flox

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaSell

I want faster cpus, not vga... Why?
WRs:
3DM01 - ~50k
3DM03 - ~40k

Cpus was too slow:(

Faster CPUs to be faster at 1024x768? :rolleyes:

Why not bench at higher resolutions to be less CPU-bound? 1280x1024 is standard right now, so why are there still these low-res-benches? :p:

Greetz, Flox
12-19-2005, 11:49 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaSell

I want faster cpus, not vga... Why?
WRs:
3DM01 - ~50k
3DM03 - ~40k

Cpus was too slow:(

lol, cpus havent been limiting the cards at all... :P
check sli and crossfire scores, even running 2 cards in 1024x768 isnt limiting the cards at all, so cpu power is not whats keeping the scores low, its the vpu power!

11fps... well if its not optimized yet we might see 13fps or 15fps, but it wont go much above that if you ask me... :/
but since nvidia is showcasing this they have had it for weeks if not months and its already optimized...
12-19-2005, 12:14 PM
Cybercat

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

lol, cpus havent been limiting the cards at all... :P
check sli and crossfire scores, even running 2 cards in 1024x768 isnt limiting the cards at all, so cpu power is not whats keeping the scores low, its the vpu power!

SLI is especially CPU limited, and since there's so much driver overhead involved with it, multithreaded 80 series Forceware drivers paired up with a dual core CPU give you some good improvements over single core.
12-19-2005, 12:36 PM
biohead

didn't I read somewhere that the amount of pixel-something processing affects 3dmark06 the most? something R580 will have (48 something, fill me in please) and ofcourse nvidia will follow.
12-22-2005, 06:44 AM
Kriller

"We've misunderstood, and thought we saw one of the machines running 3DMark 06. However, upon clarification, it's actually a game/demo that resembles that 3DMark version, and it's filled with various visual effects, including HDR bloom effects."
12-22-2005, 07:02 AM
SoF

this is crazy!
I was lucky to finally manage '05 with good fps rates and now this?
but it is the same everytime...remember 01' on my TNT2 ^^
Then finally got Ti4400 - everything was good...
then '03 came...
even with 9800Pro it wasn't really satisfying, 6600GT came and it was good again...
then I started '05 and saw <20fps in the first test....
finally got my current X800GTO, modded it and finally constantly >25fps in the first test, second one with critical, but enough fps.
and now this.........
12-22-2005, 07:04 AM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kriller

"We've misunderstood, and thought we saw one of the machines running 3DMark 06. However, upon clarification, it's actually a game/demo that resembles that 3DMark version, and it's filled with various visual effects, including HDR bloom effects."

Haha, what a poor excuse... :lol2:

It was 3DMark06....no doubt about it....not a SINGLE doubt :p: :)

The new nVidia drivers have a 3DMark06 profile in them...interesing
12-22-2005, 07:06 AM
[cTx]Philosophy

LOL in 05 on last one I see 3-4 fps all day, I know this is all cpu driven but still, I bet this is gonna be what 06 is like for me...
12-22-2005, 08:12 AM
arisythila

most 3dmarks are horrible when they come out, but they get better. They show Nvidia and ATI what they have to do to get higher scores.. Just another generation. a Generation to were you'll have flies flying around, and all around BETTER graphics.

~Mike
12-22-2005, 02:45 PM
freecableguy

so i should be able to get 30FPS... :p:
12-22-2005, 04:11 PM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

so i should be able to get 30FPS... :p:

You can only hope at this point :banana:
12-23-2005, 03:25 AM
Kriller

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim

Haha, what a poor excuse... :lol2:

It was 3DMark06....no doubt about it....not a SINGLE doubt :p: :)

The new nVidia drivers have a 3DMark06 profile in them...interesing

We still can't be sure thou... :D
12-26-2005, 07:45 AM
Stumpjumper5200

Last time I checked, [the most recent versions of] 3DMark was a benchmark designed to beat the most powerful systems to a pulp.

Looks like it works to me.
12-27-2005, 06:27 AM
Geforce4ti4200

LOL dont get in a hissy, thankfully 3dmark does not correlate to todays games. Well 3dmark 2001 does correlate the most but at this point 2001 probably corelates more to superPI LOL! 11fps with two 7800gtx sli? thankfully todays games run great on a $50 video card!
12-27-2005, 06:40 AM
flopper

Good thing 3dmark isnt a game ;)
12-27-2005, 09:16 AM
Hicks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

LOL dont get in a hissy, thankfully 3dmark does not correlate to todays games. Well 3dmark 2001 does correlate the most but at this point 2001 probably corelates more to superPI LOL! 11fps with two 7800gtx sli? thankfully todays games run great on a $50 video card!

maybe on your 7" LCD, with your world record 9700pro run on a Pentium 1 200mhz:D

you are so obessed with 3dmar 2001, get over it, it correlates more to my bell end, than it does to modern games.
12-27-2005, 10:12 AM
zicl

hmmm, i remember when i first broke 10k in 3dmark2000:) i had a little party im sure

i dont know why but i get this strange addiction to these damn benchmarks!
12-28-2005, 07:17 AM
perkam

Have you guys been wishing for this ??? lol It seems we'll be seeing it quite soon. Courtesy of HKEPC.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments...n20UmqToIL.jpg

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments...jvaoZmRhcc.jpg

Quote:

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- More then 350 Million Transistors
- Formal Launch in January
- Low clocks in the beginning, not final product - 650/1550 ?? :confused:
- The X1900XTX will require a Minimum 450W PSU
- Crossfire for these will require a 550W PSU as minimum
- Or A PSU with minimum 38A 12v Rail

Rest of it I can't decipher.

Perkam
12-28-2005, 07:28 AM
M.Beier

- The X1900XTX will require a Minimum 450W PSU
- Crossfire for these will require a 550W PSU as minimum
- Or A PSU with minimum 38A 12v Rail

Cant they just put the last sentance, dont care about PSU W, how much they drain from rails, thats more like it :D

I just hope they get away from CF / SLI soon - 2 freakin' expensive :P

Hicks, Im not tryin' to defend Ti4200, but, 01SE is still the most fun IMO, reason?? - The score depends on tweaks / HW skills, not just equitment.. :)
12-28-2005, 10:46 AM
Arctic_rYzom

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.Beier

I just hope they get away from CF / SLI soon - 2 freakin' expensive :P

yep. just too expensive for normal people...

@ Thread;

damn 11 fps with these cards .. i wont believe it :stick:
12-28-2005, 11:35 AM
Always

Here are the changes added to the x1800xt pcb:

Circled in blue are the elements added in the x1900 "hkepc edition" pcb

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4120/gpun16638qh.jpg
12-28-2005, 04:42 PM
megatron

From:
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3073

Our friends over at HKEPC has got hold of a X1900XTX card already and the R580 die size is noticeably larger than the R520. If the process technology remains at 90nm for the R580, the estimated number of transistors stand at 350M or more compared to 321M for the R520. Radeon X1900 XTX will be clocked at 695MHz core and 1550MHz memory while the Radeon X1900 XT will be clocked at 625MHz core and 1450MHz memory. ATi has revealed that Radeon X1900 XTX will require at least 450W PSU with 30A in 12V rail. If in Crossfire setup, the system will require at least 550W PSU and the 12V rail will need to provide 38A.
12-28-2005, 04:52 PM
Squid_Spit

Those power requirements are insane, damn.
12-28-2005, 07:13 PM
Blaster

well i do know that my OCZ 600w couldnt keep my pair of 512's running in SLI even with no overclock or vmods

had to use a separate PSU for the GFXs only to be able to 3D bench hehehe :slapass:
12-28-2005, 07:42 PM
Morgoth

I think it's a good thing, what good would it be to bring out a 3dmark that runs well? Noone would be compelled to buy new hardware, that is probably the major purpose of 3dmark, to get people buying newer stuff, it works and it looks like it will work again...
12-28-2005, 09:41 PM
FireDragon

this will run fine one next gen cards in sli cf and that is what they and the vid card manufacts want...01 is by far the best tweaking windows and so on u can see what u change and how it effects it...03 is only starting to necome fun...

DRAGON
12-28-2005, 09:47 PM
saaya

can you say 140W of heat? yay!
and i think 2k6 will not be a benchmark only, there will be a game based on that engine i think :D
wich will be really nice!!! :D
12-29-2005, 02:33 AM
Willis

is it me or did they use low mega pixel cam to disguise the writingvs on the ram....

my guess---> 0.8ns

:D
01-08-2006, 06:21 PM
lio256

No such thing as 3D Mark '06

did you check out the last line in the link.

That is not 3D Mark '06. It's a joke. And the next version should be '07 if you follow the number sequencing.
:clap:
01-08-2006, 06:25 PM
M.Beier

Quote:

Originally Posted by lio256

did you check out the last line in the link.

That is not 3D Mark '06. It's a joke. And the next version should be '07 if you follow the number sequencing.
:clap:

PCmark 2002
PCmark 2004
PCmark 2005

3Dmark 2000
3Dmark 2001SE
3Dmark 2003
3Dmark 2005

Now why shouldnt there be a 3Dmark2006? - that thing with ATI cat 5.13 is a bit :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed though :S (13th month on a year, huh)
01-08-2006, 09:37 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster

well i do know that my OCZ 600w couldnt keep my pair of 512's running in SLI even with no overclock or vmods

had to use a separate PSU for the GFXs only to be able to 3D bench hehehe :slapass:

is it still the same case for X1800/X1900, that separate PSUs for nvidia cards are okay but separate PSUs for ATI cards can potentially kill ATI cards due to the electronic/power circuitary on ATI?
01-09-2006, 12:31 AM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willis

is it me or did they use low mega pixel cam to disguise the writingvs on the ram....

my guess---> 0.8ns

:D

Why would they use 0.8ns ram and clock it THAT low?

It's the same ram on that's on the X1800XT, 1.2 - 1.26ns...

0.8 isn't even in production phase, much less mass production, so there's no way we're going to see a X1800xt with anything remotely close to that.

1.1 is entirely owned by NVidia, as reported by the Inquirer.

It's definitely 1.2 or 1.26ns... A pity really, this thing is going to cry for more bandwidth!
01-09-2006, 12:46 AM
200%absolut

11fps is quite good for a next generation card's benchmark :D
01-09-2006, 06:51 AM
neoman

Is there any dateline out or when should they release it?
Could it be at the end of January?
01-09-2006, 07:03 AM
perkam

First 3dmark05 score by Digital Info for the X1900XT thx to news staff member onethreehill:

http://img2.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/.../000219388.jpg

Compilation of ALL Pre-Release Info on X1900: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=84940

Above link includes spec sheets, 3dmark numbers, pictures of the card, the core, the mem, the waterblocks, the slides showing final specs etc etc...

Neoman, it looks to be end of jan/beginning of feb. Though Jan 24th has been said many times, no hw website is taking a chance in saying that IS the date :p:

Perkam
01-09-2006, 11:15 AM
DilTech

VR-zone took the risk to say that is the date perkam, in the x1800xt top review.
01-09-2006, 11:21 AM
Willis

ok now a real score at stock and with a average A64 cpu aka 3200+/3500+

thank you come again :)
01-09-2006, 11:37 AM
Calderbrae

To funny.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAMMAN

can you say really long slideshow on non-sli/crossfire systems?

:lol: :hehe: :ROTF:
01-15-2006, 04:46 PM
vol2005

a pair of x1900 managed to get near 30 fps in that test. This info was somehow disappeared from here now.
01-15-2006, 07:29 PM
cMw

damn that looks crazy for the x1900s and the 3dm06 :O
01-15-2006, 11:28 PM
Flox

Quote:

Originally Posted by cMw

damn that looks crazy for the x1900s and the 3dm06 :O

I hope X1900s will be more than just good benchmark-cards... :p:

Greetz, Flox
01-15-2006, 11:48 PM
Kenetixx

Crazy!!!
Does 06 have DX10 support as i thought they would have waited for that, or maybe thats why the scores are so low?, Still looks like ill be spending more money soon LOL
01-16-2006, 12:09 AM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenetixx

Crazy!!!
Does 06 have DX10 support as i thought they would have waited for that, or maybe thats why the scores are so low?, Still looks like ill be spending more money soon LOL

Nope, thats for later. This is only to expose some of the newer SM3.0 features + HDR and of course use a ridiculous number of polygons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willis

ok now a real score at stock and with a average A64 cpu aka 3200+/3500+

thank you come again :)

It was done and the score was still above 11k (I think 11.2k or so). But that seems extremely useless because for use xtremers we like OCed scores (ie. whatever gets the highest score).