Anybody try this , http://www.k-hardware.de/news.php?s=...ntsaction=show
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Anybody try this , http://www.k-hardware.de/news.php?s=...ntsaction=show
Or have a look here:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/story.php?id=3231
Download Sapphire ATI Radeon X1800 XT PE BIOS: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/download.php?det=239
The news BIOS clocks the GPU with 700 MHz and the memory with 1.600 MHz.
Some guys tried the news BIOS, here a short list:
MSI RX1800XT-VT2D512E - works
Connect3D X1800XT - works
Holy !!! Nice. What 3dmark scores are you guys getting with this ??
Perkam
ATI Radeon X1800 XT default BIOS 3DMark05: 9040 points
ATI Radeon X1800 XT "PE" BIOS 3DMark05: 9860 points
About 10% performance increase.
Oh my !!! 800 points from a bios flash !!!??? Thats nuts.
Should be easy to get to 10k ? No?
Perkam
hmmm..should I flash my Connect3D :D kinda worry that it would **** up my card:p any1 here tried it yet?
I have to wonder, is the PE doing 700/800 on SAME stock volts as a regular XT or is there perhaps a slight voltage increase to keep it stable at the new speeds? 700/800 is nothing to get excited about as you can get this from overclocking through CCC without issue. This is good so you don't have to overclock through CCC but instead have it default to those speeds. I would still rather see a bios editing tool that lets us set our own volts and speeds for a flash.
Thanks for the link though.
some with the bios loaded on their cards open ati tool and see what GPU volt is 1.275v ?
yes that is what I am wondering. As well, check the bios build date through the information tab in CCC and let us know what you come up with. I know for a fact my card cannot do 700 on stock volts if memory is at 800. It will play games np but benching, especially in 01 will sometimes lockup. Setting the core to 675-682 isn't an issue at stock volts when memory is at 800 (792 actual). I wonder if this new bios actually sets 800 at 800 or if it also defaults to 792 actual. These are questions I want to know before I flash, otherwise I have no problem doing so. I would like to backup my current bios for safety however ATI Tool no longer supports this feature on X1800 cards till the issues with the feature get sorted.
What I am excited to know is whether this bios is simply nothing more than a stock clock increase or if it perhaps has some tweaks and modifications to make it run better/more effecient all around. That would definately be sweet as the PE will not be considered the highest of the highest for ATI Cards. You would think something more than a simple clock rate increase would be apparent.
I know at 700/800 I get 9.7k not 9.8k so I don't know what is going on there.
Right now I don`t know anything about higher voltages.
What I`m wondering about is, that Connect3D and Sapphire tell different stories about there ATI Radeon X1800 XT PE cards.
Connect3D says that the ATI Radeon X1800 XT PE has a different layout and 1.1 ns chips. Sapphire says that there is no difference between ATI Radeon X1800 XT and ATI Radeon X1800 XT PE. Same memory chips, but higher GPU and memory clock speeds.
Please someone test this and let us know if there is a voltage change as well...
Dynasty, have you flashed this bios yet? Anyone manage to get their current stock bios off their card for backup?
LoL Everyone is dying to get exact information on this...I know I am...
Although I don't want to mess my card up for I do not have a backup at the moment...
eva2000 since you have a HIS like I do...you can go first LoL
If i try to flash my Sapphire XT i get a "P/N mismatch", so nothing happens. Do i have to check "Force" in Atiwinflash? (it's unchecked by default)
I am going to let the more experience VGA BIOS Flash users try this first and get the correct way of doing so.
I don't have my Connect 3D with me its back at home, im at work. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Im downloading some tools on my laptop,
to view changes that were applied to this bios. ;)
ah nice1! Please do let us know what you come up with! I will flash as soon as I have a few questions answered above.
Yes, you will probably have to force the flash as it is checking for a specific part number which it isn't finding. I have to do this all the time when flashing third party firmware on my DVD burner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple740
Let us know how it goes.
I suspect we are going to have to reinstall drivers after this aren't we as the card is going to show up as something different. What I wonder is, does the 5.12 cats even have support for a OC/PE card?
Is there a BIOS Editor that we can use on the new BIOS to maybe change voltage and such on the card. But I also want a way to backup my old BIOS as well.
Yes, you have to check "force" to flash with ATIWinFlash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple740
Sweet, id like to flash mine, as it defaulting to 700/800 without CCC overdrive, would be very useful.
Think ill give it a week and see what results are like on Sapphire, bit scared of somet borking.
Yeah scared isn't even the word...for just spending $600 on a card and only having it for a little over a week now...
There are bios edit pgms out there, but I still have not come across oneQuote:
Originally Posted by ugp
where you can apply change to voltage or edit temp. monitoring.
Ideal would be makers of RaBiT or radedit, to make an
newer version with more edit features like what nibitor or nv bios mod has.
Edited: Maybe Monster can make bios mod util. for X1800 cards. :)
Well I have a backup of my old BIOS now. I get the same mismatch error as well. I am wondering if we have to do a Force Flash on it.
read above, yes you do have to force flash. After that it will take it.
BTW, how did you backup current bios? I want to try to.
When you open the ATIFlash program click the save button LoL...And it saved it for me...
oh sweet lol ok!
well let us know how the flash goes when you force it.
I am kinda of scared to try it...LoL
Now if I try it and it doesn't work am I screwed...how woul I revert it back...
Just slap another card in and the ATI program will still see the ATI Card and just flash it back to the OEM BIOS?
BIOS FLASHED!
Voltage readout in ATITool is now...
It is still the same to confirm that.
Also 2D Clocks stay the same I assume then too...
hmmm so it looks like this does nothing more than flash stock clocks. Voltage is the same etc. Run some benches and compare them to your last score and see if they are same/higher/lower.
Good job on the flash.
So, this is the clock speed update announced by ATI a few days after the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX 512 launch, nothing more.
No problems with running games? (you didn't have to re-install the drivers?)Quote:
Originally Posted by ugp
From what it looks like yes...
Now this is a comparison from 690/800 which I was running clocked with ATI CCC.
To the Flashed scores stayed the same...
So not much of a difference there. Just seems new higher clocks.
I haven't ran any games as of yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple740
I am testing to see if overclocks are any better with the new BIOS. As it looks so far though I get 10MHz more on my core without having to screw with ATI CCC is all.
One thing I am wondering if you could check. IF you didn't overclock using ATI Tool on the stock bios running the 3D view/check for artifacts did NOT bump the speeds to 3D clocks but still at at 2D even if you set CCC overdrive to kick into higher 3D clocks when running in 3D. Check to see if running 3D view/scan for artifacts kicks up the new higher 3D clocks or not.
As well is it 700/800 exactly or 689/792 actual like when set in overdrive?
Thanks.
Now why would an voltage increase in bios really be needed, when
ATI tool beta 9/10 are working correct.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2619
"ATI supports Radeon X1800 XT overclocking"
"Because ATI is experiencing good yields on the Radeon X1800 XT core, it is allowing boards to be overclocked to 700MHz core and 800MHz memory (1600MHz data rate). In the document, ATI also indicates that standard clock settings are often set at conservative speeds to produce the highest output yield possible."
That's all this is, and if for some odd reason it doesn't work, slap a PCI card in there and flash it back, same as any other bad video flash.
Well for some people I know they can't hit 700 on stock voltage for some reason.
Here is something funny...look at ATI CCC
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...1&d=1134401825
I am one of them. I can do 675-682 np. Higher than that and I get 3d01 crashing to desktop.
LOL 5000 core selectable.
Would someone with a PE flashed BIOS clock there card down to XT stock clocks and then compare them to that of the originals this way we can see if there are any optimized in any way over the XT BIOS.
Here you go.... @ 710/800 set within ATI CCC with no voltage extra needed...
3DMark01SE 34,240
Well looking at the above screen shot it proves they are not using 1.1 ram. The highest selectable memory speed is still only 800 meaning you cannot go higher from CCC but only from third party software. The core has more headroom however.
Anyone else going to flash this?
Ok, did the biosflash too. "Default" 3DM05 score is 9929 now. :) (with an Opty @ 2700mhz)
holy crap!
nice score, what was core/mem clks for that run ?? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple740
Anyone tried to reboot their system after the flash to see if it then finds a new piece of hardware due to the flash? If you are already up and running it may not do that until a fresh restart.
I was stable up to 720 on core with no added voltage.
Here is a screen of 3DMark05 with my CPU @ 2.7GHz and the x1800XT 720/800 and I broke 10K!!!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...rk05-10080.jpg
Like i said, the default of the new bios. CCC reports 695/792.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
Just flashed my BBATI as well. Stock score was 9662. That is with a winchester at only 2.48ghz though. CPU limited for sure.
I only did one run of 05 so no clue on stability but will run more benches/games over the next day or so to see what I come up with.
Anyone notice if their max stable OC at stock volts has gone up/down/stayed the same with this new bios over the stock bios?
The bios part number of this has changed according to CCC information tab.
Stock - 113-A52001-102
Bios Date 2005/10/18
PE/OC - 113-A5200A-103
Bios Date 2005/11/16
you have too force the bios for it to work. i can com you guys down, by saying that i flashed at least 8 differnt bios files in my club-3d card, and nothing "bad" ever happent:)
Mine went up alittle...before if I set clocks at 700 without changing voltage it locked instantly...
Ok ive downloaded the BIOs from here:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1028681248
Says it's Sapphire one. SO how exactly do i flash? Ive never flashed a Video ard BIOS BTW.
It is super easy. Run the ATIwinflash utility. When it comes up the first thing I would do is save your current bios just incase via the save button. After that check off force, load the image file in the same directory as the atiwinflash utility and hit program. About 3 seconds later your done. Oh yea, reboot when it asks you and voila.
Yup as said...super easy!
What utility?
Upgrade To X1800XT OC for free ? With more oc headroom???!!! ...has ATI gone cukoo ???Quote:
Originally Posted by ugp
Someone tell this to Sampsa :) Not to mention all who took the risk with flashing need to change their sigs to X1800XT OC now ;) 700/800 stock is no joke. :up:
It's only a three page thread hicks...first pages had ze "goodies" :)Quote:
What utility?
Perkam
ATIFlash Utility...it came with the BIOS when I downloaded it.
I don't know but I sure as hell like it:DQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I am not saying anything bad about it at all. But it this BIOS does seem to have helped with stock voltage overclocks alittle for me.
Can anyone else confirm this... eva2000 get this BIOS and start testing! HAHA
Can you guys post a step by step for me on how to exactly flash it, i don't want anything going wrong, which file do you use.
I should disable my CCC overclock as well i take it?
worked fine for me, on bbati card...using the included atiwinflash....
Just download the BIOS File.
With that download comes the Utility to Flash it.
Run the Utility and first as a precaution click "Save" and it will save the Original BIOS for you.
Then Click "Load" and select the file located in the BIOS Folder and give it a few seconds after that and it will flash:D
Mine looked alittle screwed up when it flashed it but then it flashed black again and screen came back. And asked me to restart. Restart and thats it. Instant upgrade.
NEWS:
I also just got 34,450 at only 700/800 too :D
hmm nice it increased clocks... guys anyone try flashing back to original bios and see if you keep the new increased clocks or go back to previous max clocks ?
Flashed my Connect3D X1800XT, no problems at all but I noticed an voltage jump when you in 3D mode , pix below
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9...xtoc1ra.th.png
update: just measured the vcore during 3Dmark01 run and my DMM showed 1.44v so the new bios deffo increase the voltage, that would explain why you get higher OC after flash :D
So this new BIOS has automatic voltage adjustment based on requirement?
Wow, that is crazy. This will be like, go as high as you can and the BIOS will give more voltage accordingly (and will not go above a certain limit of course).
I want one for the X1800XL :p
heh, This really makes me want to get an X1800XT now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ken
yes...i have the voltage jump as well when enterring 3d mode. it jumps from stock 1.275 to 1.433. not so good:(
But with this BIOS i dont have to disable the ATI services, and i can OC with 3d clocks now. if i try to oc the 2d it crashes. kinhda nice to be able to do that:)
But i dont think i will stick to this BIOS. i realy dont like the voltage bumb:(
A bit off topic but in regards to SIOUX's post above I recently did a fresh WinXP SP2 install and the latest 5.12 ATI drivers and I dont have to kill any ATI services to overclock and change voltages. Also I can set clocks in 3d mode and have no problem setting volts with either overclocking programs, ATI Tool or the other one(dont remeber the name). And this is with my original bios, not flashed!Quote:
Originally Posted by SIOUX
so does 700/800 on the new bios perform better than 700/800 overclocked on the stock bios? thnx.
Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
Its the same here if i use this bios or if i use the old BIOS overclocked.
hmm....i just found out that with catalyst 5.11 the new OC bios works like a charm with the ati services disabled, and i can clock the 2d clocks again.
but if i use catalyst 5.12 i CANT use the 2d. and my temps go skyhigh if i try to set the 2d´s....very strange. but as i said...i just switched to 5.11 and everything is fine:)
I mentioned even before this bios flash that I thought the card automatically adjusts voltage according to load as I had ATI Tool open on my second monitor while benching and it went from 1.275 to 1.375 on its own. I guess this new bios goes even higher into the 1.4v+ range. Pretty cool how programmable and smart this new chipset is. I hope all this stays in the R580 and then some.
Dam, surely this new BIOS increases temps loads? I can run 700/800 without extra volts, so i don't want extra volts.:mad:
A bios editor would be nice! Anyone? Bueller?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
I feel the same way:(
I agree, as you all probably read from my posts in the past I already have a temp issue.
Same here, i can play games for hours 700/800 stock volts & bios.
Anyone knows anything about an ATI bios editor for this card?
Well damn...that is a big voltage jump up...I assume this safe on the card though.
Well lets hope a nice BIOS Editor is available soon. So we can set permanent clocks and voltages on the cards once we find our max stable 24/7 overclocks.
Borked my Sapphire XT, BSOD big time, flashed ok. Lucky I saved the original bios. Had to flash it back from PCI.
really?Quote:
Originally Posted by ugp
what is the name of this tool? I have never listened it
Hmm...first issue I have heard with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
Also I found this and when I read it I laughed... Can we say we have a free upgrade to this already?:p:
Quote:
ATI WILL let its partners overclock their cards. The partners are aiming to bring a new old card to the market called the X1800XT OC. The card will have a special BIOS and will be shipped with a special tool that will overclock it out of the box. The cards will run at 700MHz core and 1600MHz memory.
I said "Lets Hope" are the keywords...I don't know if there will be a program soon...I am hoping and praying. Because I am tired of setting clocks with these tools. Or hopefully ATITool gets fixed soon and we can overclock 3D Profile with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by scampi
Hey guys read this article if you haven't seen it already...I find it very interesting...
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27922
Ok, please listen
When flashing XT bios it is best to down clock the card to like 500/500 to prevent screen corruption that can mess up the bios flashing process.
This bios also needs to be tried on an XL card. I bet it will work.
but isnt the XT 512 mb, while the XL is 256 mb, would it be wise to flash a bios with different memory sizes???
I own a x1800xl so this info would be very sueful for me :)
The clocks on my card were the stock 2D clocks when I flashed it. And it worked fine. I haven't had any issues so far yet...
Quote:
Originally Posted by ugp
So does flashing allow CCC to get higher overclocks? If not its not worth flashing when I can run at 690/800 now with stock voltage.
Yes you can go up to 5,000 on the core lol
As for the memory it is still 800 though.
lol, I saw the screenshot.But will it really try to go that high? does anything higher than 700 really work? Will it save the higher settings at logon?Quote:
Originally Posted by ugp
Ok for me !
I flash my Connect3D x1800xt 512Mo and now it's 100% stable 725/800
I'm verry Happy :D
the BIOS works fine for me...but ONLY if i use catalyst 5.11. with 5.12 it gets too hot, and unstable, and will not allow me to set 2d clocks anymore
Quote:
Originally Posted by SIOUX
how hot is "too hot"? my XT hits 80C during 3Dmark05 with the new BIOS (700/800) and fan at auto :D (it was around 75C with old bios@625/750) both with CAT5.12
I am using Cat v5.12s just fne and stable. I just need an Opteron for my scores. I finally got my RAM at 300FSB so I think I have a lot to progress with now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ken
it dont get to hot when overclocking with 3d clocks (but then voltage jumps back) but when i raise the 2d clocks to OC, the card jumps up 20 degrees for some reason. i´m already back with the old BIOS
It seems the 3D Clocks are working fine though. I am using ATI CCC to overclock now and everything is working great for me. Max temps have been 80C and it is alittle hot in my room to begin with.
I am seriously thinking about ordering a Opteron right now. If it were you guys getting one...which Single Core Opteron would you get?
Glad I'm not the only one who had major screen corruption. I had to drop to 500/500 when I flashed mine. Why would the app have this problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Interesting point Fugger...though I highly doubt ATI would allow parters or enthusiasts to flash their X1800XL to XT OC lol ... that'd mean there'd be $325 X1800XTs on the market atm :p: Though you'd probably need an arctic cooling silencer for the x1800s for it to work :)
Perkam
I still like my x1800XT though...
Well now it is a x1800XT OC:D
:toast: life is good, no we need to get a way to oc the memory....my core is at 750 an still going.....tested it for 4 hours of extreme gaming via bf2,cod2, and quake4....Quote:
Originally Posted by ugp
That is awesome man!Quote:
Originally Posted by thelostrican
Me just ordered a new CPU...
Opteron 148 and also got me a new HSF... Big Typhoon:D
Hopes to get atleast the magic 3 on Air.