I wrote a little guide about the way to have better temps and some more Mhz, look at this if you are interrested :
I hope the pics will be enough to understand ;)
http://www.overclocking-masters.com/....php?newsid=77
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I wrote a little guide about the way to have better temps and some more Mhz, look at this if you are interrested :
I hope the pics will be enough to understand ;)
http://www.overclocking-masters.com/....php?newsid=77
Yeah. So why not just remove the IHS.
Because it's not really better, it's just a lot more dangerous.
Heres my version.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/55BNC2.jpg
You got one in english?
Yeah^^ I might actually do this, if I can get a (clearer) english version. Tried using IE and Google Toolbar to automatically translate to english, didn't work very well :(. Nice guide though :D.
@misteroadster -- You're right. It is pretty much just as good anda lot safer.
those colors are really confusing dude :D
but very nice and clean work! :toast:
so you think replacing the termal paste and removing the silicon pn the edge between the ihs and the cpu package to increase the pressure will get us the same benefits of removing the ihs?
I think what he really tried to do was get even perfect mounting with well lapped cpu and heatsink (etc). Theoretically, you shouldn't need thermal paste. You probably have seen many interesting heatspreader that are caved in (worst) to caved out (better)
The only purpose o the ihs is to protect the core from damage. it is less efective than a bare core no matter what you do to it.
What is that blue paste? Is it threadlocker? Or is it silicone blue? (Automotive gasket glue)
EDIT: It looks like its threadlocker blue: BLUE Paste "AUTOJOINT" of Mark: Loctite
Yes :toast:.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Original thermal waste is so crappy , not enough liquid.
Probably the original silicon too. :D
Apply pressure with original heatsink ;)
Yes it's that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 5days
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Originally Posted by G H Z
does this void cpu's warranty?
I have completely removed IHS from 3 cpus. I always gained lower temps at load anywhere between 6-10C. And sometimes I gained Mhz too, up to 50Mhz or so. I think it is safe to do this if you are careful at mounting coolers and during removal procedure.
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Actually I've removed the IHS of two of my CPUs, but I wanted to know if polishing the IHS voids the warranty. :)
Yes it does void the warranty. :)
how exactly do you remove the black silicon glue from the CPU surface without damaging it? can you describe it?
i ve removed the black silicon with the razor blade :)
http://www.google.com/translate_tQuote:
Originally Posted by bmaffin13
And copy/ Paste.. :toast:
dont work. like i said above i tried IE w/google toolbar.
in ie w/google toolbar, u can right click a page and click translate into english
Wow!!!Beautiful work!!!:slobber:
I've removed the IHS on all of my 6 chips other than the venice I returned. Deffinatly worth it. You don't even need to be careful, just use some common sense. Make sure there's semi even pressure on both sides and you can tighten it until the board won't power on from being so warped. The only dangerous part of no IHS is taking the IHS off. You can slice off SMDs, cut substrate, and slash your fingers open :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
thnx. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 5days
is there any real risk of crushing the cpu die when fixing the HSF onto the cpu or while removing it? i hear its really fragile? any truth to this? i havn't seen any reports of people crushing their cpu die yet lots of people say its fragile :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
i've already removed some IHS , sometimes with mhz gains sometimes not, but with this technic i've always gained not less than 25Mhz stable.
Try it. Nothing to lose. For phase change users it's really more safe to have an IHS.
With phase it's actually safest. Anything that bolts on you'd have to be intoxicated to screw up mounting and break it. With something like an XP-120 that clips on though it's risky.
It should be noted that while you only gain 25-50MHz, it can enable you to gain even more because you will reach an unsafe temperature much later (at which you stop overclocking and increasing volts). For example, you often stop overclocking because it gets to hot for your personal liking, but having 6-10C cooler temps will keep it cooler for your personal liking, which means you can increase the voltage a little more.
Question: Is the IHS re-attachable without any real cosmetic differences on the outside? I would just be a little weary removing it incase the CPU happened to die, and I would be SOL because I removed the IHS. But if I could re-attach it...
Just wondering, are the A64 cores a lot more fragile than the AXP cores or did they just decide to put on an IHS because Intel was :p:?
A64 core is at least twice as large as AXP core. They put the IHS on because a lot of your average joe blow people were breaking cores putting stock coolers on.
Yep, because when your "joe blow" like AFI said, puts a cooler on (AXP) he teater tots it, or rocks. Thus cracking corners and sometimes the entire core.
Almost every home built joe blow system i've worked on suffered from this.
I put the IHS back on my 3400+ (754) b/c my brother was to cheap to buy a decent cooler that we could mount to the IHS-Less cpu.
i will be doing this tommorow, remove and reattach
C??ramique will be the TIM
what is the best compound to reattach it with??
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Grab an old socket A chip and use the foam pads from them on the IHS-removed cpu. That's what I used to do because I used a TT BT and was worried about sitting level.
use loctite green if you dont want it to ever come off again. you need a torch for it anyways :FQuote:
Originally Posted by 5days
success
well i took it off cleaned it up and used some C??ramique and some Loctite stick`n seal to glue it back on
the only issues i had were the clamping down of the hsf to seat the ihs was crooked and i had to remove the glue and put it on again no big deal
i was suprised to see the ihs teader on the actual processor chip after the glue was removed and made me worry that i might with glue not have enough space and crush it but it is working fine so...
gained about -6c on load
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the only thing I want to know is whether or not I need to add a shim for the lost depth that the IHS provides.
Will my stock cooler reach the core after I remove an IHS???
I've asked this in like 3 threads. Does anyone know?
Ryan
How long did it take you to remove all of the black silicon?Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
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Originally Posted by ShoNuff
the time it takes for your knife to go all the way around the cpu. No more than 5 minutes.
it *should* but i would not reccommend any clamp hsf for ihs'les cpu. youll crush the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi
Before I removed the IHS on my 3800+ X2, both cores at idle would be very close, but on load, Core 0 would be about 8C higher. After removing and replacing the IHS, I'm getting the opposite. Overall, it's running cooler, but I'm not so sure it's the best solution.
I suppose I'll try doing it all over again :(
Couple of questions:
1. To get all of the old silicone off, do you just cut carefully or is there any easier way to get it all off?
2. How much ASC should go on the core? Anyone have any pics of the core with ASC on it right before replacing the IHS?
Thanks!
Wouldnt arctic silver adhesive work best for remounting the IHS?
yes it would, but ceramique might be a better solution..