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I just recently read this so I don't know if its old news over here or not, but I'll post a thread for new discussion anyway.
Regards.
"The complete stock of Opterons model number 14x and 16x (dual-core) dissapeared from e-tailers and retailers, with hundreds of overclockers buying even six or eight CPU's at the same time. Reason: Opteron, a 1MB L2 cache processor was priced lower than Athlon 64 models with 512KB of L2 cache."
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28250
well there goes my chance of replacing this lousy 4000+.....
Seems like those Optys were cannibalizing the Athlons, too bad since I was also savin up for one =[
Note that it seems only the lower clocks are being stopped.
Please change the thread title accordingly, this is extremely misleading.
Although, if people are in panic I might sell my optis for lots of cash :)
Thanks.. edited now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
People on www.overclockers.com.au are selling their 146's for $400AUD! :eek: (Around $300USD!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
Silly n00bs... :banana:
I personally wouldnt sell my 2.92GHz 1.40V Opteron. :cool:
The article does list:
939 Opterons
It doesn't list the specific chips such as 14x and 16x (only that certain ones are sold out completely).
So maybe this means we will not be seeing much more out of the 939 Pin opteron line... time will tell I guess.
so what is their problem really shouldn't they be glad we buy tons of their cpus? upping the stock prizes would be more logical. Anyway they had this coming. Here you go fellas, these chips DO fit your motherboard!
The reason for phasing these cpu's out is because they were never intended as a "long term" production chip. The s939 Opties are based on the E4 San Diego core which is nearing it's end. The s939 Opterons were basically a means for AMD to clear out the remaining E4 cores since they are shifting their process to dual cores. Eventually, even the "single core" cpu's will be based on the dual-core die.......
Personally I'd love for them to do a early M2 launch like the Inq article speculates but I think s7e9h3n (ugh you need a easier to remember/type name !!) is right, just getting rid of inventory. AFAIK M2 launch is still scheduled for mid/late April.
cut and paste :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by mesyn191
I've had a 146 on order for the last 3 weeks and they're in stock today - with the price up nearly 30 quid. Stepping is CACJE 0546; they also expect another batch. I've asked to pay the diff and have one NOW!
So they're not finished yet.
That is just inventory that is still enroute from warehouses and stuff, so you'll be seeing them out there for the next few weeks or so still just not after that if the Inq is right on this.
all 14x and 16x 939 opterons are out of stock in germany
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Just use one of the various sites that'll allow you to buy in the US and ship to Germany. There is still taxes and all though, so I dunno what the price would work out too...
quote from the inq story:
"This has come to a close, as we have received a document that goes to show that company has decided to stop production of several different SKU's.
Stopped items from AMD for Q4
SDA2500BXBOX
SDA3100BXBOX
ADA3000BPBOX
ADA3200BPBOX
ADA3500BPBOX
939pin Opterons "
so, does that mean nothing below a 3800+ (1 core or 2)?
I posted this a while ago and yes it's sad but oh well.
Just for completeness (from labs.anandtech.com):
Stopped items from AMD for Q4
SDA2500BXBOX = AMD Sempron 64 (754) 2500+ 256KB Palermo
SDA3100BXBOX = AMD Sempron 64 (754) 3100+ 256KB Palermo
ADA3000BPBOX = AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3000+ 512KB Venice
ADA3200BPBOX = AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3200+ 512KB Venice
ADA3500BPBOX = AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Venice
I think all these are E3 steppings, which implies E6 is still in production. Nothing to be seen here.
Dunno if they really "clear out the remaining E4 cores". I mean, 99% of the Opteron 939 buyers are overclockers, and these people would love this CPU no matter if it's called Athlon, Opteron or even Bacon. Why didn't they just sell them as Athlons if so? It's not like we wouldn't notice it if they did, Opteron got it's reputation because of it's overclocking potential and not because of it's name. Why using their Opteron brand for this?
But yeah, there are no 1.8 and 2.0 GHz A64 with 1 MB cache. That's what they needed to sell them quick enough without changing prices too much.
The reports are too confusing.
From what we know we can only securely conclude that E3 Venices are out, except the 3800+ (for whatever reason, might be reporting error).
For the Opterons, the same inquirer article mentions on one hand that only the slow-clocked are out and on the other hand all are out. This is obviously rubbish.
I don't think that AMD will discontinue the Venice and San Diegos and migrating everything to Manchesters and Toledos, it does not make sense. Considering that always the demand is higher for the mainstream products (A64 3000+/3200+) than for the more expensive ones (Starting from the A64X2 3800+), it will be less profitable manufacture only Dual Core Processors that are twice as big as a Single Core counterpart when you will sell most of them as Single Core Processors due to the higher demand anyways. What they're getting rid of is the ones with one defective Core.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
As stated, the Venice Rev. E3 is phased out for the Venice Rev. E6 (They probabily still having Venice Rev. E3 3800+ in stock to get rid of), and will be selled in conjuntion with the Manchesters with one Core disabled (Because as I sayed, there is no reason to shift production to only Dual Core Processors if you sell more Single Core Processors. That is a silice waste). Discontinuing the Opterons is a shame for those that weren't able to buy them in its time, but well, they comed as a gift and now vanishes, they comed as an unseen surprise and that is. As worst than that is that the Sempron 2500+ get discontinued, because that one was 10 dolars cheaper than the 2600+ but bringed 256 KB Cache L2 anyways.
I think it's probobly will come something else, it doesn't make sense to stop every "cheap" cpu.
well, it's just the sealed box ones that are going to be discontinued, should still be able to get them OEM, which makes sense, many people who build thier own computers do not ues the stock HSF.
As I just mentioned, all the above codes are for E3 stepping chips, which means the E6 Venice would not be affected (assuming the report is true).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marquzz
That sucks.
Bad point for AMD, as if they are loosing money for selling that much optys...
If 3000+ were very good clockers, then a lot of us will buy them, I bet 90% 939 opty sold in the last month was sold to overclockers.
So long as I can still get a 170 I'm OK. I've had my eye on that for my next chip. Think I've had this one a couple months now. It's like senior citizen. :p:
No that is what small picture would say. But big picture is that there will be no single core shortly and they have to invest money with at least few years on advance. Lose small amount by producing bunch of dual cores to be used as single core for short term while phasing out old fab and moving to new fab isn't bad idea at all if they choose to. Just look at year ago... main stream money was AXP... now where is it now? In same way look a year later. Considering how much money is involved upgrading fabs, and the fact AMD never were able to produce enough chip to take on big OEM, it sounds like to me logical choice.
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Originally Posted by zir_blazer
well there are no 939 opterons in stores in europe from what i can see, or barely any left... and all shops say they dont have a shipping date wich sounds like they might be cancelled indeed... :(
Didn't Monarch just get some more in recentaly? (Here.) I remember them being out of stock, and I looked today only to see they had the 165 and 170 back in stock.
ouch... 365$? well same price it was here in germany,,, but i hoped it would be cheaper in the us...
hope i get my christmas money asap and can get one of those chips :(
That's strange, several stores in Sweden have new shipping dates now, from middle Dec to beginning of January.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
well here it varies from 3 days to 6 weeks to "unknown order date"
most shops claim 3-4 days if hey are out of stock, because thats the time it tskes them to re-stock from their suppliers, but they havent updated this for over a week, so the suppliers are out of chips it seems...
there are 148 and higher chips and 170 and 175 chips, but thats it...
I just realized your sig Saaya... lol.... damn... I hate octoberfest.... only reason being the compressor I ordered from Danfoss in september came in december in US and arrived as WRONG compressor. I think the employee at danfoss still had hang over...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Anyways, would make sense even for marketing perspective for AMD too considering their server sales did improve a lot last year so they probably want desktop side sales to improve as well this year. And selling optie is going to make the smaller market side look even better while desktop sales doesn't look as good. Many reasons that could stop AMD from selling/making optie 939 lines. Think reason supply of higher end chip is not dead yet might be since it probably doesn't sell in as much numbers. I mean honestly, how many people in forum have 180 in their hand, how many has 175, how many has 170 and how many 165. I bet 80-90% of people have gone for 165. (I didn't just because of multiplier since it will eventually go to phase)
I meant stores that actually have a specific date, and not the "usually ships in 1-3 weeks" style, you know. I've seen 144, 146, 165...
well same here mats, but i know those shops well enough to know they just make those dates up all the time... so i dont trust them :D
and each shop has a different date... :D
another indiaction to believe its just made up.
and yeah jinu, 170 would be best, but i cant afford that :(
they replacing the E3 for new revison E4 CG but only in venice 3200 and 3500 :
AMD has discontinued shipping the Athlon 64 3000+ to major retailers. The current stepping E3 with the "Venice" core will get a refresh by the name of E4, and a "CG" ending on the CPUs(for example a retail 3200+ will carry the SKU: ADA3200CGBOX), but it will only produce 3200+ and 3500+ with this stepping
THis all start to make sense ;) .
148,150,152,170,175, NewEgg in the states seem to have plenty at the moment. Just got a 175 boxed but it's not that great a clocker.
rgr i got my 170 boxed from the egg on thursday and it hits 2.7gh which isn't bad with about 1.5v but goes though cands like butta compared to my X2
Can we have the official answer from AMD?Not good for AMD when we are thinking they are "unserious company".
*looks at his 4 opteron 165's*
My precious! heh
If im correct, everyone has bought out the 14X and 16X CPUs nearly everywhere, but ALL 939 opterons are being canned by AMD, that includes opteron 170 and 150,152 etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
unserious? what do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by linhvndiy
[h] reports the 939 Opterons are not stopped.
Has anybody ever seen the claim they are stopped from anybody else than Tankguys (not counting inquirer)?
Maybe Vandi423 can find some info about this? Give him a PM.
hey, just to toss my hat into the ring.
i talked with my Opteron account rep @ AMD today. the following is what came out of that conversation.
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in light of all the information going around re: the Inq article, i made a few calls and got the real story.
1.) the s939 Opterons are NOT going away. Rather, the 1xx series opterons will be transitioned to Socket M2 and positioned as entry level 1P server/workstation procs. AMD will be positioning the X2's as upper-end consumer processors and the A64s will be mainstream. Didn't ask about Sempron since i don't care.
2.) the 2xx and 8xx series Opterons will be moving to Socket F in Q2.
3.) the Opteron 185 is coming Q2, 2006 around the time of the complete transition to M2. This will be an M2 part only.
4.) EOL processors will be the 140, 142 (i think the 140 is EOL'd already, but, whatever). 144 is coming soon with the 146 to follow. the Opteron 165 is NOT BEING discontinued though stock will remain tight INTO Q1, 2006. You will see some part discontinued in Q3/Q4 next year with the appropriate pricing moves happening along the way.
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just to clarify. I'm still getting opterons (matter of fact, see here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dave_graham/72971715/ )
dave
i rma a box 180 to AMD last week and received a OEM with my box back.....
AMD Rep told me there is no more 180 box in stock with them..... but they list my 180 OEM to BOX database...... so 180 OEM become BOX CPU lol
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...213122715.html
Russian web site x-bit labs reports AMD is denying that S939 Opterons are being discontinued, in fact, shipments will continue through 2006. :clap:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Duke
Awesome!!:clap:
YES! :D
and saaya, holland was and is still full of optys
http://www.tweakers.net/pricewatch?D...ry=opteron+939
Prizes did rise a lil' over the weeks but I hope it will go down again, with the new cpus coming and all..
YES :D :woot:
Yay!
Alright people, get out your credit cards and start buying Opty's again. We have games (Err.... SQL servers) to run!!!