X550 Madness

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11-26-2005, 07:18 PM
JuanFlaiter

X550 Madness

Look what we created:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8...91659fo.th.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3323/27hz.jpg

This is a Sapphire X550 with 5ns memories, it´s our first attempt into dry ice in 3D so we chose a budget card. We benched at 850/250 and a Venice 3200+ @ 3100mhz. We could even through a suicide shot at 1400mhz (lol) and bench at 890mhz (1.9v in GPU).

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8533/152005ps.jpg

Now we feel confident and should be benching some nice cards in the future.

Greetings from Chile
Metro (The CPU guy)
NicoZ (The voltmod & VGA guy)
JuanFlaiter (The beer guy)
11-26-2005, 08:19 PM
mtb856

Nice looking system and good luck with the big cards :)
11-26-2005, 08:21 PM
Stuperman

is that your top score in 01 at 850 core? and did you say you have a SS of an X550 @ 1.4ghz?

if so that score is low, and that is nuts!
11-26-2005, 09:08 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuperman

is that your top score in 01 at 850 core? and did you say you have a SS of an X550 @ 1.4ghz?

if so that score is low, and that is nuts!

Yes the problem is this card has 5ns memories, so we couldn´t make it over 240-250 mhz. And the low frequency memory gives a huge bottleneck. We are not sure if trying with a 3.3ns card, because there seems to be no real competition in the X550/X300 series. We should give a try to the 6600GTs now.

Yes we have a SS at 1400mhz on the core, we even have a picture.
11-26-2005, 09:39 PM
G H Z

850/250 LOL, sounds like you have quite the team ;)
11-26-2005, 11:25 PM
Stuperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

Yes we have a SS at 1400mhz on the core, we even have a picture.

That is definately some kind of WR.
11-26-2005, 11:28 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuperman

That is definately some kind of WR.

Oh great :)

I´ll tell my buddy to post the SS and picture... They are in his computer.

BTW Nico, the voltmod guy wants to swap the VGA´s memory modules for 3.3ns chips. I know this has been done in BGA, but I think this would be quite imposible with TSOP right?
11-26-2005, 11:32 PM
Celeron Gamer

I have a 9550 currently, and I am in no way near your clockspeed lol. But I have stock.

Also, the reason it has such a low score on 01, because it is memory banwidth dependant. Try 3dmark03-05, and you see a huge difference :)
11-26-2005, 11:40 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celeron Gamer

I have a 9550 currently, and I am in no way near your clockspeed lol. But I have stock.

Also, the reason it has such a low score on 01, because it is memory banwidth dependant. Try 3dmark03-05, and you see a huge difference :)

We benched with 3DMark03 and 05. The problem is that today was quite a hot day and we where benching live at a retail store and things started to get quite messy with condensation over the motherboard, so we swaped to air cooling and didnt want to stress the motherboard so just benched with CPU at 2500mhz :mad:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8914/41004ii.jpg

We don´t have screenshot of 05 because we just used it to try stability. We had 2300 3D05s with the processor at 2670mhz.

We want to definitely give X550 another run. Maybe try a new model with 3.3ns memory and use another platform. Opteron 148 should arrive in 20 days and we are also testing a P4 670. Maybe X550 trifecta :p:
11-27-2005, 12:19 AM
Stuperman

yeah, with better memory an X550 should scale like a X600XT or 9600XT or a 9550, I think that they are all pretty much the same core.
11-27-2005, 09:09 AM
metro.cl

It was a nice day :) but the wheather wasnt nice (30-35°C), the vga mobo and cpu were almost dead at one point :)

hopefully the 670 es and the 148 opteron can run higher than my cpu.
11-27-2005, 10:03 AM
perkam

You gentlemen should try the x1300...does 650 on air :p

Perkam
11-27-2005, 10:37 AM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

You gentlemen should try the x1300...does 650 on air :p

Perkam

we might have to call some hw manufacturers to get a review sample that we could bench later :)

p.d. a 7800gtx 512 + 670 es would be quite a nice rig to test :)
11-27-2005, 11:45 AM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

You gentlemen should try the x1300...does 650 on air :p

Perkam

I was thinking that yesterday, and as long as we do it live at a retail store they will give us the card.

Sapphire Radeon X1300PRO 16x 256mb

http://www.sym.cl/images/124image4.jpg

This has 2.5ns memory right?
11-27-2005, 11:51 AM
Welz

got that 1.4g SS on the core? I really want to see :banana:
11-27-2005, 12:35 PM
DrJay

At 850Mhz you should have a much higher '01 score...even with the mem at 250Mhz. After the little X300 competition Zakelwe and I had I feel confident in saying that.....
Perhaps the reported gpu speed was not correct.
11-27-2005, 12:47 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

At 850Mhz you should have a much higher '01 score...even with the mem at 250Mhz. After the little X300 competition Zakelwe and I had I feel confident in saying that.....
Perhaps the reported gpu speed was not correct.

We had no 01 tweaks. ;)
11-27-2005, 03:07 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

We had no 01 tweaks. ;)

thats right we were told that we would bench super pi 1m 3dmark03 and 3dmark05, so i just tweaked win xp regularly for good performance but nothing to extreme, with win2000 dx8 and proper drivers + tweaks for 3dmark01 score would have been much higher
11-27-2005, 03:15 PM
vapb400

what DI vga tube is that? home made? do you have pics?
11-27-2005, 03:31 PM
[cTx]Philosophy

show 1.4 Id like to see th@ one myself
11-27-2005, 03:47 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by vapb400

what DI vga tube is that? home made? do you have pics?

yes home made, the screenshot is at nicoz pc, we have to wait for him to upload it
11-27-2005, 03:58 PM
mnewxcv

nice job guys, looks like you can go on to bigger stuff now, I cnt wait.
11-27-2005, 04:26 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by vapb400

what DI vga tube is that? home made? do you have pics?

As Metro said, home made. But home made by this guy, Dr. Cooling , he ships internationally. Anyways this was his first attempt on a VGA tube, his CPU tubes are really nice, but this one is still a prototype.

CPU Tube
http://www.drcooling.cl/coppermine/a...Cooling_b7.JPG

VGA Tube
http://www.drcooling.cl/coppermine/a...ing_VGA_b5.JPG
11-27-2005, 04:39 PM
Celcius

Awesome!
11-27-2005, 05:06 PM
vapb400

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

As Metro said, home made. But home made by this guy, Dr. Cooling , he ships internationally. Anyways this was his first attempt on a VGA tube, his CPU tubes are really nice, but this one is still a prototype.

CPU Tube
[IMdG]http://www.drcooling.cl/coppermine/albums/hieloseco/DryIce_N2L_DrCooling_b7.JPG[/IMG]

VGA Tube
[IMGd]http://www.drcooling.cl/coppermine/albums/hieloseco/DryIce_N2L_DrCooling_VGA_b5.JPG[/IMG]

Thanks, I contacted him via his site. Hopefully he can understand my horrible spanish :stick:
11-27-2005, 05:57 PM
metro.cl

you can email him in english we can help him out :)
11-27-2005, 06:15 PM
mnewxcv

how much did it cost? I'd love to try dry ice but I dont have too much money...
11-27-2005, 06:24 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnewxcv

how much did it cost? I'd love to try dry ice but I dont have too much money...

He told me the CPU tube is about U$180. That includes insulation and everything. Anyways send him a mail he has the prices. Our prices are preferentials because we beta test his pre production models.
11-27-2005, 07:05 PM
mnewxcv

thats a lot for me, so Im gonna stay away, but its clearly worth it with that kind of work, i just dnt think my rig is even worth that much lol.
11-27-2005, 07:42 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

He told me the CPU tube is about U$180. That includes insulation and everything. Anyways send him a mail he has the prices. Our prices are preferentials because we beta test his pre production models.

for that money you could buy an aluminum mouswepot i think they were about 80 usd
11-27-2005, 08:06 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

for that money you could buy an aluminum mouswepot i think they were about 80 usd

He priced them. As long as he doesn´t asks U$200 to us, its fine :p:
11-27-2005, 10:36 PM
DrJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

thats right we were told that we would bench super pi 1m 3dmark03 and 3dmark05, so i just tweaked win xp regularly for good performance but nothing to extreme, with win2000 dx8 and proper drivers + tweaks for 3dmark01 score would have been much higher

Check ORB for X300......You'll see a few of the top scores done on XP/DX9 and air colled CPUs...

EDIT: All the top scores were done at no more than 600Mhz. I realize they had faster memory...but a 250Mhz increase in gpu speed is a over 40% increase! The X550 is the RV370 gpu like the X300, no?
11-27-2005, 10:45 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

Check ORB for X300......You'll see a few of the top scores done on XP/DX9 and air colled CPUs...

EDIT: All the top scores were done at no more than 600Mhz. I realize they had faster memory...but a 250Mhz increase in gpu speed is a over 40% increase! The X550 is the RV370 gpu like the X300, no?

thats ok but all of we know that for 3dmark01 win2k is by far better and also cat 4.12 (dont know if those support this vga).
11-27-2005, 11:17 PM
DrJay

Sorry,...I'm not trying to be a jerk here....just trying to figure out why you got 15K with 850Mhz gpu. :confused:
11-27-2005, 11:21 PM
DrJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

I was thinking that yesterday, and as long as we do it live at a retail store they will give us the card.

Sapphire Radeon X1300PRO 16x 256mb

http://www.sym.cl/images/124image4.jpg

This has 2.5ns memory right?

That looks like the non-pro...=2.8ns ram.
Personally, I think if there will be a 256-bit version of the X1600, that's where
I would invest.
11-27-2005, 11:25 PM
zakelwe

Taking a cheap card to practice on is a very good idea, best to lose only a little money while learning !

In regards to the score it does seem very low, however these cards are very memory bandwidth limited and I think there is a version of the X550 with 64 bit memory interface ..if that is being here then at 850MHz it is the most bandwidth limited card of all time. I'd need to see Orb links to 2001 and 03 runs though to be able to guess.

Have you got any links or were you too busy keeping an eye on your dry ice etc ?

Regards

Andy
11-28-2005, 06:49 AM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakelwe

Taking a cheap card to practice on is a very good idea, best to lose only a little money while learning !

In regards to the score it does seem very low, however these cards are very memory bandwidth limited and I think there is a version of the X550 with 64 bit memory interface ..if that is being here then at 850MHz it is the most bandwidth limited card of all time. I'd need to see Orb links to 2001 and 03 runs though to be able to guess.

Have you got any links or were you too busy keeping an eye on your dry ice etc ?

Regards

Andy

juan has them he should upload them to the orb soon
11-28-2005, 06:52 AM
Waus-mod

nice goin :) in youre start post @ 2nd pic: is that Heiniken beer :D
11-28-2005, 05:35 PM
JuanFlaiter

Suicide Shot, sorry for the Paint behind but we had it like that to fastly paste the SS.
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2724/sc14006lf.jpg

We forgot to take a picture at 1400mhz, but here you go at 1000+ mhz.
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5493/1000mhz7qn.jpg

Got Condensation?
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7307/freeze3vh.jpg
11-28-2005, 08:17 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

nice goin :) in youre start post @ 2nd pic: is that Heiniken beer :D

nope is a chilean beer called cristal
11-28-2005, 09:28 PM
Stuperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2724/sc14006lf.jpg

We forgot to take a picture at 1400mhz, but here you go at 1000+ mhz.
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5493/1000mhz7qn.jpg
]

That's freekin sweet! that definately belongs in the news section!!!
11-28-2005, 11:09 PM
IAmSpoli

thats freaking ridiculous. congrtatz
11-28-2005, 11:22 PM
zakelwe

Still no 3dmark links ?

:confused:

Regards

Andy
11-29-2005, 06:44 AM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakelwe

Still no 3dmark links ?

:confused:

Regards

Andy

We benched outdoors in an overclocking competition, we forgot to save the results for uploading them in the ORB. Anyways this we didn´t like the scores, we would prefer to try a VGA with better memory and attempt a trifecta.

Greets!
11-29-2005, 08:04 AM
metro.cl

i got the links to the orb but i just sold my cpu yesterday (buying an opteron 148) and the links are on my hdd i'm looking for a solution
11-29-2005, 12:48 PM
zakelwe

I can imagine you were more concerned with the benching :)

I'm sure you'll be able to put up good scores and links in good time.

Good look with getting the trifecta :toast:

Regards

Andy
02-05-2006, 05:43 AM
piotres

HI

I have a sapphire x550 pci-e 4ns samsung and venice 3000+ . all stock air now, but waiting for phase-change run (one for CP), second for GPU ;).

So ...card do 508/684 mhz all stock in Marks.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4601284

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8888908

3dm01 = 16496 .

These tests have been on 490/666 mhz ..and 2655 mhz CPU .

But I have problems - i want to try to beat the WR in X550 but my cards is identyfy as a X600 :slapass: :mad: :mad: :mad:

In 3dmark's in Windows it's X550/X600 ...on ORB X600 :mad:

In what way I can change that ??

PS. I can make a dry-ice/ln2 tubes in Europe cheap ;) .

Regards
Peter
02-05-2006, 10:01 AM
Winterwind

nice:p:
02-05-2006, 10:46 AM
metro.cl

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8835036

thats the link to the orb

our card had 5ns mems and also it seems that clocks didnt apply correctly to the vga

also there was no optimization at all on the runs, only realtime
02-18-2006, 11:58 AM
sabrewolf732

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

nope is a chilean beer called cristal

is it chilean? They have it in peru too :p: Awesome clocks btw
02-18-2006, 12:52 PM
zakelwe

I don't belive the clocks were that high to be honest. I think the clocks were being misread by the software for some reason. If the bench was not done at 800+Mhz in 3d as was reported then it equally as unlikely the 2d screenshot was done at 1100Mhz. It's all screwed up for some reason.

Regards

Andy

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