Is it eary Feb '06?
Hope it will be different core than CAB2E 0531
Heres opteron 2.8Ghz.... on the net
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6...01280582yz.jpg
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Is it eary Feb '06?
Hope it will be different core than CAB2E 0531
Heres opteron 2.8Ghz.... on the net
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6...01280582yz.jpg
Should be earlier ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
But why would you think it would have the same core as a 2.8 cpu? :p:
Maybe it has something to do with your post over here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...18#post1068418 ;)
0531 is the start of new (mem. cont.) revision imo..(XXX2E). Remember 0513s FX55BN and FX57? :)
Dumo
Explain?Quote:
0531 is the start of new (mem. cont.) revision imo..(XXX2E)
Is that not a regular Opteron 254?
Dumo if u have too many of these CPU's please send me one! :p:
Hmmm....I reread my post and can't figure out what correlation you're talking about :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Ahhh, I see what you're talking about. That's an interesting theory.....TBH, I've never thought about it, but I'll see what I can dig up..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Well, we aren't waiting for a *new* core, we're waiting for the refined versions of San Diego....and I agree with Dumo, we are seeing the 57 go through what we saw happen to the 55 right before the 57 came out.
What does that CAB2E mean?
Do the last two letters (or numbers) of the "5-letter code" indicate memctrl revision? Is there any official (or unofficial) info available about the "5-letter code"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
I'm guessing FX59 will require a new stepping and/or a large increase in yield before such a speed becomes viable.
And there's no rush...the FX57 already owns the high end gaming space. Unless Intel suddenly pushes the Pentium M as a mainstream high end desktop gaming platform, I doubt AMD will devote much effort to bumping the clock on the FXs.
NO ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
The 59's already in the works and should be out in a couple months......Quote:
Originally Posted by lutjens
from the two 57s 0531 that i no of did not like the cold muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
I'm all for AMD releasing the FX-59. It adds insult to injury as far as Intel is concerned.
3ghz is a nice spot to stop too. :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
so you must be testing one, when are you gonna be able to post something about them??
if they are like fx-57 they should do easily 3.2ghz on air no vcore increase right?? any news on cold bug? a better mem controller would be kinda weird because the fx already have the best mem controller (the only prob. is the coldbug if it is because of the mem controller).
Is it going to be called FX-59 or FX-60? Interesting little article can be found here.
i dunno, as the last single core cpu possibly i doubt it will maintain sandiego core, so many cores come out so often i just see it as a different core, and also i DEMAND fx-59 has 2MB of l2 cache and 2 levels of 128k l1 cache!!! that would pwn a dothan
Where's the X2 FX versions??? I've been waiting to go dual core but I want one with unlocked multi's. I might just end up jumping on the Intel bandwagon :mad:.
ah, because so many intels are unlocked ;). I really don't think unlocked multipliers is that big of a deal, but i just came of a venice 3000+ where i was running HTT of 325 24/7. Dual core FXs... may come true some day :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
unless you have some form of gnarly phase change, do you really need an unlocked X2? (I know this is XS, so while you dont really NEED an fx57 @ 4ghz but it would be nice etc). I would immagine they will come in time, but not untill the switch to dual core becomes pretty much a full transition/the only option for cpus.
Do you need an unlocked CPU, PERIOD?
No, dividers don't hurt the performance at all. If your board has a problem getting over a certain HTT in async....get a new one.
I don't believe you :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
FX-59 will be San Diego, that means single core.
The roadmap with the FX-60 is iffy at best to me....the 3000+ is there for one.
Shouldn't be hard....moves pretty slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
Lol, I wish I had one right now....samples aren't even shipping yetQuote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
@ Sierra: Yes, definately FX59. Nothing more, nothing less :p:
@ Nemo: It's not gonna happen - at least with the 59 ;) I just tested some E6 "Diego" Cores which will replace the current E4 San Diegos and those are definately different cores than the current cpu's. Now it's very unlikely the 59 will be one of these cores, but who knows? I guess, we'll all have to wait and see ;)
@B518: The FX after the 59 will be moving to dual core - unless of course AMD decides to change their mind for one reason or another......
hey steve ... give us a preview like you did with the venice cpus :D
The reason I post this thread is to find out (if its possible :) ) if 59 will be cold bugged big time like 57 0531 CAB2E. On the other hand 57 0530 APMW performed ok. like 0528 or 0516....
Well, I get this perception that ATI mobos were tuned for lower htt and will suit well with CAB2E @-90C....if it can even boot :)
Or at least it can bench like this one......
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/5050/05129dw.jpg
Found this earlier...dunno if it's real or not, but something to ponder....
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=39053
You sound like a real AMD fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I love AMD. They just aren't up to par these days though. There are a couple things I think they could do better. One thing is to make their own motherboard chipsets again. The Via, Nvidia, and ATI solutions just don't seem to cut it. They're are just to buggy. Another thing is that the dual core processors don't work like they're supposed to, you have to install patches before they somewhat work. Of course we all know about the cold bug which is another big problem for us xtremists. If they fixed those three things, they'd be untouchable. As far as unlocked multipliers, I need them for a 24/7 stable setup. I'm one of those guys who love tight timings so I can't run my RAM to 300MHz+. I'm shooting for a 3.2GHz+ 24/7 stable dual core AMD setup which can't be done right now. Intels processors may not be unlocked or as fast, but at least they are 100% working and stable. I probably won't jump on the Intel bandwagon just yet but I have been considering it for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
-There are rumors that when Fab36 ramps up to full production, fab30 may devote some of its resources to chipsets...Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
-I would not call NF2/3/4 "buggy" in the least bit. These are great chipsets and one of the primary reasons AMD is where it is today! Now if you OC to insane levels, there are of course limitations. Besides some early teething manufacturer specific bios issues, I dont know what you are talking about.
-You simply cant knock AMDs dual core implementation, especially when compared to Intels grade school cut and paste approach. Patches are needed simply because WinXP wasnt designed with dual core procs in mind. This will be a null issue with Vista and possibly XPSP3.
-I agree the cold bug problem is not good, but its low on AMDs "to solve" list. I doubt we will see and 90nm procs suddenly fix this. 65nm may or may not.... it could be a AMD "problem" from here on out. Hard to say.
more like fx60Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
http://www.avault.com/news/displayne...=10242005-5234
Doesnt make much sense to me :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
If it cant be done now, it cant be done now.
Its not like Intel are doing it and AMD arent.
All of my AMD chips are 100% working and stable :toast:
B5I8
You can't get AMD to be stable? Sounds like your need the hands.sys driver :fact:
What I meant is that I'm only interested in 100% stable speeds. I don't care if someone can bench at 3.6GHz but it fails Prime instantly. What I'm saying is that I need the unlocked multi's so that I can hit my desired speed with the right combination of multi's and fsb. For instance, I'm not one to run my CPU at 300x10, I run it at 250x12 because I like tight timings. If for example if my max speed for my RAM was 250MHz and I had a CPU with a locked multi of 12x, my max speed would be 250x12 or 3000MHz. If I wanted to go higher, I'd need a higher multi. I think everyone is misunderstanding what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
It would be great to see another FX hitting the market at the new year. And I agree that 3ghz would be a nice spot to stop and move on to dual core. But I'd stick with my FX57 till the end of Socket 939 platform I think.
Have you ever heard of dividers :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
my AMDs are running "100% working and stable" wasn't too hard to doQuote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
3.2 Ghz stable isn't possible on an AMD chip? Well i have only to mention my buddy njkid here, who's got a 3200+ venice that'll do 3.4 Ghz stable all day long under his single stage. Yes, coldbug is a problem, but if you don't know about dividers, you're not in the position where coldbug is going to hurt you. I dont know if i should consider myself an AMD fanboy, i've just been suprememly disappointed with Intel since they botched 90nm with the prescott and lost inspiration after that.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Look at the bottom of the pice list 'AMD Confidential'. I wonder how u managed to get this price list.
Anymore insider's storties?? :p:
Then buy a CPU with higher multi :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
:slapass:
Hmmmm first of all.......2 levels of 128k L1 cache? this would probably be an entirely different architecture!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
2MB L2 Cache. With current architecture it would be a waste. A64's hardly need cache at all. All that it would do is add a substantial amount of heat for almost nil benefit.
Personally I would hope that they would lower the L2 Cache Latency. That would increase performance significantly IMHO.
Anyway rumour is that when Dual Core FX come out they will feature a Shared L3 cache. Here's hoping for at least 2mb!
The problem here being that clearly stated the a64 3000+ continuing, when we know its already being phased out. So OUT OF DATE at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
it says last updated 26/9/2006
Well the highest multiplier for a X2 is 12 (4800+ = 2.4GHz) so they don't make them any higher :stick:. Hence the need for a FX dual core.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
Running dividers just kills performance. The best performance comes from 1:1 divider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
That's absolutely false with A64s...
That's right it is false, because with AMD you always run a divider. 1:1 is a divider with AMD, the same as any other. Do some quick SPi test will tell you that for it's actually better to run a higher htt with a lower divider if your system can manage. If you've a board that reliably does 400X9, then you are not limited until you reach 3.6GHz, hey with a 10X multiplier you could reach 4GHz :) yes, you would be better off running 1:1 If your ram was running DDR800, but that would be due to the ram speed and nothing to do with the divider :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I think all of u guys ignored my post, fx60 info is HERE : http://www.avault.com/news/displayne...=10242005-5234
TALKS ABOUT THE SHEET U GUYS SEE IN THE THREAD IN THE ABOVE LINK
FX-60 is likely nothing more than FX-59 for M2 if it even exists.
That document is out of date AT BEST.
This is well said. If you don't or can't define for yourself what a ram divider is then why bother bringing that up as a point. Even on a Intel system there is a divider and this allows you to find the max speed of your CPU while not exceeding the limits of your DDR. AMD provides more updates this way as with every CPU revision comes a improved MEM controller. I prefer to buy a new cpu at the lower end of the AMD line and get a new mem controller designed to work specifically with my CPU each and every time. Intel has to wait on updates in motherboards. This costs the board makers money and consumers confusion in the long run. Also the use of ddr2 over the last year or more has been a hinderance as most of the chipsets implemented have not been able to take advantage of it until just recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by :banana::banana::banana:in
So, Intel has forced the use of more expensive parts on there boards while not providing a performance hit worth a sh*t. AMD is not only more reasonable in pricing but much more in tune to the everyday user. 775 CPU's are pricey and in need of dire OC'ing so whats the use. Not likely you can take a intel cpu out of box and oc it where it beats a AMD youll need something more, like dry ice. :slap:
Like everyone else says, dividers do not kill performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
some things are easy to figure out though. the last letter is obviously the core revision:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
xxxxC = rev C0 or CG
xxxxD = rev D
xxxxE = rev E
it's getting beyond that's hard. it seems that the 2nd to last letter has something to do with the type of transistors, like how the CABNE's run so much hotter and oc better than CABGE's, thus it's probably a batch with more "fast" transistors.
beyond that... no idea.
As others have said to B518, use a divider. It does NOT hurt performance at all and it will get u the exact mem speed you want. I have noticed that dividers actually hit mem speeds that would be equivalent to ur same cpu mhz times a higher multi if that makes any sense. granted its not exact, but within a few mhz on the mem frequency.
Hmmm....that pic is kinda odd. First off - why would it saw "www.amd.com" on the top if it truly was an "AMD CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT". AFAIK, amd doesn't put ANY of their confidential internal documents online. Secondly, note the AMD 64 2800+ listed on the sheet. Now the last time I checked, the 2800+ was a s754 only cpu which was being phased out.....so does that mean the 3000+ and the 3200+ on that list are s754 or s939? Surely a listing such as this should differentiate between s939 and s754 cpu's, right? On a side note, if multipliers is what B518 is looking for in an x2, then the 5000+ IS your cpu. Currently in the works, it's going to be released as a 13x200 dual core monster. That's basically two cores running the same speed as an FX55 on one die :slobber: And let's just put an end to this argument about dividers......the best performance does NOT come at a 1:1 divider. In fact, it happens when you run dividers which UPCLOCK your memory ;) . For example, this is the 7/6 divider: My FSB @ 273, my memory @ 300 (Please excuse the crappy memory timings :p: ):Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7...dopb7am8bq.jpg
i take it i'm not gonna get any help with my theory then? ;)
Not if those models were not in production in 939, they wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I never said it was true, not my info, but merely something to ponder...
there is no such thing as 1:1 as the ram can't operate at cpu speed even if cpu is at stock on lowest multi with the fsb on 200 or in this case htt
Last letter a complete revision of the mask set - other letters indicate changes in individual or a few masks layers at different stages of the doping process.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
The changes you mention in recent revisions is likely on the final masks when the metallisation layers are added involving the interconnects tieing the transistors etc together.
hold on a second, 3.0ghz?
thats 200mhz off my p4 northy :eek:
crist how much do you think one of these cpu's would own my cpu?
double the preformance? methinks i need to upgrade soon. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3NZ0
Thats what so great. We all have known about the Mhz gap between AMD and Intel and respected the performance associated with that gap due to IPC. With a 3Ghz part, AMD is @ 3ghz and Intel is all of.. 3.8Ghz with Presshot? A beautifal thing to behold.
wow, now there is no reason whatsoever to go to intel.
sempron>smeleron
low end 939/mid end 754>skt 478
high end 939>extreme chips
x2>smithfield
pwnteron>inert gas (xeon)
well im not sure about the turion over the dothan but im sure its a good as it power wise (maby not power efficancy)
Xactly why I sold some stuff downgraded my p4 to stock air and switched to a opteron. AMD is very solid investment imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by LexDiamonds
ETA is Feb 06?
What do you guys think MSRP will be $1.1k or what?
I am building a gaming rig in 2weeks going with a FX-57 and a chilly1 modded vapo cant really wait 3months I gotta play some BF2/WoW
The Turion performs very well..... just check this:Quote:
Originally Posted by 3NZ0
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/articles/42/1/1/
That's at least even, but I think it's a victory for Turion.
good explaination, thanks! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
now it's time to think about this a bit more ;)
Description:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
http://netpilot.at.tut.by/work/AuthScannerOSA254.gif
At what CPU is AMD planning to switch to 65nm? 5000+? Will Intel having 65nm and AMD still having 90 make a difference in the benchmarks a lot?
No it shouldn't. The only thing is that thier 65nm chips are supposed to be new architectures. So that would make a difference, also they should run cooler and overclock higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanuck
Lately, a few FX57 0512 oems turn up for sale.....Imo, it was the first FX57 core on production...
Will try to get one :)
You're right - it was the first "real" FX57 in production (hehehe- my "FX56" is a week 11). But why would you want one of those? You'd be better off getting the 0513 FX57 (which you've already had, iirc). Sampsa had an 0512 that he complained didn't clock too well. Then again, I think Shamino was the first to 4.0G with a 0512 FX57.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Also, if I'm not mistaken Kinc ran it @ 3.9G in 3Dmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
0512 and 0522 are the only FX57 oems..
0511/0512 and 0522 are with 'T' whreas all 0513 and up is an 'N'...Its must be something with these letters...
http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/4...shot0242qq.jpg
http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/2...shot0254iu.jpg
YGPM ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
How about "T" w/out cold bug @-99C which I hope will happen to FX59/60 :)
did he come up with something?Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Any news about FX59 release date ? :D
I am thinking to buy FX57 from NewEgg if theres no FX59 in AMD roadmaps anymore , i just dont want Dual Core FX60 (only 2.6GHz :stick: ) if thats what they want to Call an FX :nono: :slapass:
How about those new week FX57's (probably thats what i am gonna get if i order one from newegg now :rolleyes: ) - are they cold bugged badly :( ?
I was planing to use DI + MousePot with it :)
Plz , help me decide is it wort it to get a new week FX57 now , or wait for FX59 if its going to come out any time soon , or may be i am waiting for something that will never come out lol ? I am confused now :confused: :D
FX-59 is dead. Get overit.
The FX-60 is the next FX to come out. FX-59 has been scraped and buried
Steppings 0512 to 0530 should be ok with less than -30 cpu core temp.
0531 and up seem to cold bugged big time with xtreme cooling..
Really? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Yes
Back in April everybody seems to think that there is no FX55 san diego will be out.... and see what happened? :)
I have have a friend who was on the 59 project.. He conforms that it wasn't "Cost effective" by AMD's standards..
what ever the :banana::banana::banana::banana: that means..
I think you should wait until you get some results back.
Lol , i have a real bad feeling :D that thats what exactly i am going to get ... a cold bugged FX57 :nono: :( Don't think NewEgg has old batch chips left :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
May be i should try to call them and ask in person :)
"Great" news :( , all that time waited for something that will never be out ... :confused: :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
So what do we have now ? Cold bugged 57's and 59 canceled ? :mad: :stick:
May be i just should get FX55 SanDiego and hope its old batch because of its not very popular and pray that it will clock good and no bugs with subzero cooling ? :confused: Now i am really confused .... :( :confused:
PS and offtopic (sorry :) ) : Did anyone purchased FX57 recently from NewEgg ? If so plz share your results , batch and week and if it has a cold bug or no . :toast:
I'm suprised AMD would pull out and not offer a 3GHz chip. But i was suprised when Intel didn't release the 4GHz chip. That may just be me and my obsession with round numbers.
Very low yields?Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Yes and that they expected that it wouldn't sell right for the price required for the low yeilds
Whats ETA for FX60 any news?
Q1 '06
ive heard second week in January 06 :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
in multitheaded apps.. it will be twice as fast as a single core on a clocker per clock comparison..
But in Single Threaded apps.. just a small boost
Sounds good im deffinitely going to give it a try. Will have to sell this FX57 when Jan comes but whatever if its for a better CPU i dont mind losing 150-200$
Don't count on getting higher benches with a dual 2.6 core as opposed to your 0516? 57 single - well at least in single threaded apps. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
now that was sweet
The market for expensive high end single core CPUs just died quickly as dual cores clocked pretty high. With FX-60 dual core clocking 2.6 GHz, who in their right minds would pay as much for only one core 3.0 GHz, really? Only some dudes on this forum and that's not enough for a launch. Any sane person gets a dual 2.6 over a 3.0 single core.
For some peeps 3D'05 @ 19K is more important than 2X 2.6Ghz :)
And the price to pay for it.....doesn't really matter.
Just my 2 cents...
FX60 will be a blast for multi tasking system :toast:
A FX60 will the pride of my next rig. As long as it is less than $1,500...
my guess it would be $1200Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
any news? is it 2,6 or 2,8 ghz? because there will come a 5000+. i think this cpu will have 2 x 2,6 ghz
the Fx-60 will be 2.6 Ghz but with the unlocked multi and the redesigned IHS it will be a beast.