New WR DDR636 2.5-3-3-5 1T PI 32M

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10-22-2005, 10:51 AM
AndreYang

New WR DDR636 2.5-3-3-5 1T PI 32M

New WR

ES GeIL One TCCD DDR600

MB: DFI NF4 SLI-DR BIOS 510-1
CPU: Opteron 146 0530 APMW
Ram: GeIL One TCCD DDR600

DDR636 2.5-3-3-5 1T 512MB*2

2x512MB

TRCD=3

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/SLI-DR/318-TCCD.JPG
10-22-2005, 11:10 AM
agenda2005

Nice Clock! Can you show Sandra Bandwith Screen shots?
10-22-2005, 11:13 AM
Ozan Baseski

Brilliant score my friend. Is 510-1 the best for tccd in your opinion? I ask this bc I also have a couple of Geil One Tccd sticks and I'm using them with 702-3 bios. Is the bios very important?
10-22-2005, 11:13 AM
NickS

Danggg, nice! :D
10-22-2005, 11:18 AM
Kasparz

gigi77 where are you?
10-22-2005, 11:33 AM
Zeus

OPB--316 2,5-3-3-x :slobber:
Gigi77--317 2,5-3-3-x :slobber: :slobber:
Andre Yang--318 2,5-3-3-x :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

Who's next?

You guys are really tearing it up!

GeIL one takes the lead, what will Gskill's answer be?

Congrats!! :toast:
10-22-2005, 11:35 AM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozan Baseski

Brilliant score my friend. Is 510-1 the best for tccd in your opinion? I ask this bc I also have a couple of Geil One Tccd sticks and I'm using them with 702-3 bios. Is the bios very important?

I use Mod DFI NF4 SLI-DR. I try many bios , but i think 510-1 is more stable than others.

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/1959/13wm.th.jpg http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/3164/25he.th.jpg

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/953/31an.th.jpg http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/5835/46hl.th.jpg

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/4314/59ev.th.jpg http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/6270/67ms.th.jpg

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/2971/71hi.th.jpg

EDIT: slow image hosting, moved to imageshack
-saaya
10-22-2005, 11:48 AM
m3csl2004

ace clocks :clap:

2 things - did you use any active cooling on the ram??

and what camera was those pics taken with (looks sweet, i couldn't help myself)
10-22-2005, 11:51 AM
ianocean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

Who's next?

Gigi i supose.I'm getting an Oppie 150 in two weeks and will try to mess
10-22-2005, 12:10 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3csl2004

ace clocks :clap:

2 things - did you use any active cooling on the ram??

and what camera was those pics taken with (looks sweet, i couldn't help myself)

I don't use any active cooling on the ram and i use Nikon 5000 camera. :D
10-22-2005, 12:36 PM
vapb400

Awesome ram! and pics too.
I'm getting a Nikon D50 for my b-day in a few weeks, I'm so excited.
10-22-2005, 12:39 PM
bachus_anonym

When I look at that Top10 in my TCCD thread it just makes me wonder what it takes to get sticks like that :slobber: :lol:
At TRCD=3, 310Mhz is very high, but 315+ is just outrageous :shocked:
GeiL One or G.Skill FF that clock 310+ must represent less than 1% of yields :)

Excellent clocks, man :up:
10-22-2005, 12:39 PM
m3csl2004

lol, shame i cant afford either - doubt my tccd will do anywhere near that tbh
10-22-2005, 12:54 PM
TheMeatFrog

Simply Amazing! :clap:
10-22-2005, 02:56 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

did you yourself add all those cap's?? lol
do those hold a higher ripple?
whoever changed out those caps did a great job :)
also what that cost for all those polomercaps?

nice stuff andre :)

My Taiwan's friend help me changed this.It is free. :D

The caps is very cheap about 1 us for 2 piecess.But they only buy from Taiwan.
10-22-2005, 03:03 PM
toreide

Why only one stick showing in your picture?

I suppose the record is done with 2?
10-22-2005, 03:03 PM
targ

amazing clocking coming out the TCCD camp. big W00t ot Geil for hold ing the top two places now.

really muxt test my TCCD more as im only a few Mhz behind these scores, 310 2.5-3-3-5 32M stable would be great.

TCCD for the win!!

targ
10-22-2005, 03:21 PM
Vassili

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

My Taiwan's friend help me changed this.It is free. :D
The caps is very cheap about 1 us for 2 piecess.But they only buy from Taiwan.

Did they helped much?

Nice WR :slobber: :D
10-22-2005, 03:23 PM
jahjahbinks

I have used them in the lab. Those are higher quality caps that offer less ESR and ESL.
10-22-2005, 03:24 PM
865pe

nice clock :toast: chip week ?
10-22-2005, 03:49 PM
Markus_d

sweet man! just great! congrats on the amazing result!
10-22-2005, 05:59 PM
AndreYang

I test DDR636 2.5-3-3-5 1T again and I use DC to take all picture.

I hope everyone do it after testing.

Start

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/1.JPG

6 Loops

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/2.JPG

10 Loops

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/3.JPG

12 Loops

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/4.JPG

15 Loops

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/5.JPG

19 Loops

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/6.JPG

22 Loops

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/7.JPG

24 Loops

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/8.JPG

Finish

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/9.JPG

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/10.JPG

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/11.JPG
10-22-2005, 06:06 PM
bachus_anonym

:clap: :clap: :clap:

If only EVERYONE from TCCD Top10 had done it that way it would be awesome!

Thanks a lot, Andre :up:
10-22-2005, 06:14 PM
amrgb

If I had a digital camera...

@OPB, Gigi & AndreYang

Please stop playing cat and mouse with each other and deliver the goods.

I don't know why but at least one of you have already hit the 320 barrier.

But anyway, it's being funny to see the WR being beaten in a daily basis.
10-22-2005, 06:21 PM
dinos22

first that nice clocking Opteron and now this amazing records......man lady luck is on your side
10-22-2005, 06:49 PM
Eldonko

Great job on the mb mod AndreYang, and congrats on WR. :clap:
10-22-2005, 08:22 PM
harleybro

Very cool and very clean job on the cap replacement. Have you run that ram on the same mobo before the replacement? If so what kind of improvement did you see?
10-22-2005, 08:32 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleybro

Very cool and very clean job on the cap replacement. Have you run that ram on the same mobo before the replacement? If so what kind of improvement did you see?

Yes, i run the same mobo before replacement.But it is only running 314 FSB.
10-22-2005, 08:48 PM
en4cer

what rev. TCCD is that 4xx, 5xx??
10-22-2005, 08:56 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by en4cer

what rev. TCCD is that 4xx, 5xx??

519 TCCD
10-22-2005, 09:22 PM
en4cer

wow, those must be pretty new, Mine are 513 and they also clock to 300MHz+ 2.5-3-3-6 :D

Congrats on the WR :toast:
10-22-2005, 10:20 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike6969

I guess it is not required to have a 24pin psu to achieve great rusults on a DFI N4 mobo. What brand/wattage psu are you using andre yang?

http://www.athlonoc.org/forum_r4_new...414_60f_01.JPG

http://www.athlonoc.org/forum_r4_new...414_60f_02.JPG

http://www.athlonoc.org/forum_r4_new...414_60f_03.JPG

http://www.athlonoc.org/forum_r4_new...414_60f_04.JPG
10-23-2005, 12:40 AM
Zeus

Awesome job on replacing those caps, gaining 4 MHz RAM speed may not sound great but it helped to take the WR this time. :up:

So cleaner current is the answer for higher clocks, this must be the reason why you get such awesome clocks on your Opteron.

Are your RAM sticks handpicked or just retail ones?

Btw, very nice way to prove you really ran 318, this way there's no doubt.

:toast:
10-23-2005, 07:11 AM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

Awesome job on replacing those caps, gaining 4 MHz RAM speed may not sound great but it helped to take the WR this time. :up:

So cleaner current is the answer for higher clocks, this must be the reason why you get such awesome clocks on your Opteron.

Are your RAM sticks handpicked or just retail ones?

Btw, very nice way to prove you really ran 318, this way there's no doubt.

:toast:

Handpicked.

I think some people run DDR 630+ 2.5-3-3-5 are not Retail.I am very sure.
10-23-2005, 07:28 AM
kakaroto

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

Handpicked.

I think some people run DDR 630+ 2.5-3-3-5 are not Retail.I am very sure.

Indeed, handpicked is more likely.
You have to be very very lucky to get such great TCCD in retail :)
10-23-2005, 07:53 AM
GhostBG

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

Handpicked.

I think some people run DDR 630+ 2.5-3-3-5 are not Retail.I am very sure.

Are yours retail?Because i realy doubt you've removed the heatspreader to find out IC stepping
10-23-2005, 08:00 AM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by GhostBG

Are yours retail?Because i realy doubt you've removed the heatspreader to find out IC stepping

My TCCD is not retail.

ES GeIL One

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/GeIL-330.JPG
10-23-2005, 08:33 AM
Rukee

I have a set of OCZ`s that will do 319fsb but not at 2.5-3-3-x. :( At least not yet, still tweaking.
10-23-2005, 08:41 AM
ZeroX

Many people have +330 2.5-4-3, and some 2.5-3-3, but 3-4-4 is too far..
10-23-2005, 08:42 AM
Rukee

/me hanges head and goes back to tweaking
10-23-2005, 10:28 AM
guess2098

Andre nice job, hahahahaha
one handpick beats all 20 pairs we bought!!!!!!!! or 23 pairs??? don't remember
hahahahaaha
10-23-2005, 11:44 AM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by guess2098

Andre nice job, hahahahaha
one handpick beats all 20 pairs we bought!!!!!!!! or 23 pairs??? don't remember
hahahahaaha

maybe 30 pairs........... :D
10-23-2005, 12:04 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike6969

Andre Yang , whats the purpose of these pic you posted? I wanted to know what psu were u using on setup u posted on the first page? It shows that u was using a 20 pin connector , am i right or wrong?

This psu have 24 pin connector.I use 24pin connector for my mobo.
10-23-2005, 12:21 PM
Vapor

....maybe he took the pictures some other time, you know, just to show off the mod? :rolleyes:
10-23-2005, 12:21 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike6969

AndreYang , look at the pics u posted on the first page, u will notice that its using a 20 pin white connector , so it CAN'T be the silverstone because it is a black 24pin connector. I got high last night but im not high right now i know what im talking about.

The first pic just demonstrate.

This pic is really testing.

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/12.JPG

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/13.JPG

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/318-TCCD/14.JPG
10-23-2005, 06:17 PM
ahmad

Very nice!

I managed 310MHz with my OCZ TCCD but only with 2.64v. I didn't go any higher because I don't want the sticks to die too quickly.

Am I over worrying or is 2.8v an OK voltage for TCCD? Heard some wrecked their sticks with more than 2.7v.
10-24-2005, 04:38 AM
formyfaith

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

Handpicked.

I think some people run DDR 630+ 2.5-3-3-5 are not Retail.I am very sure.

You're right. ;)

Recently I tested 15 pairs of the new HS versioned G.Skill FF
, and all of them really :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:.
(half of them can't even do above 275 Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-7, and the rest
doing around 280-285, 1 set does 290)

Gotta be real lucky to get a nice pair.
Maybe I'll need to test 10~20 more pairs. :p:
10-24-2005, 05:07 AM
kiwi

What about retail GEIL ONE 5xx? Can we expect at least 300 2.5-3-3-6 on average?
10-24-2005, 05:09 AM
Vapor

Doubtfully.
10-24-2005, 05:16 AM
LoKi2k

alright andre, i am going to get you today. my gskill 4400le can run 320 2-hours prime blend ;)
10-24-2005, 07:43 AM
targ

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoKi2k

alright andre, i am going to get you today. my gskill 4400le can run 320 2-hours prime blend ;)

@2.5-3-3-5??

if so run SPI 32M and clam your WR.

looks like the TCCD race has started again for some reason...

i know gigi has some more to come.

targ
10-24-2005, 08:41 AM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi

What about retail GEIL ONE 5xx? Can we expect at least 300 2.5-3-3-6 on average?

Maybe u need to handpick about 20 pairs from Retail GeIL One.
10-24-2005, 10:26 AM
gigi77

nice INDECENT SPEED MY Friends!

Good Luck for 320MHZ
10-24-2005, 12:53 PM
szukalski

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

Maybe u need to handpick about 20 pairs from Retail GeIL One.

Took me two pairs to find one that did 310MHz @ 2.5-3-3-6 @ 2.8v (300MHz @ 2.7v).
Could be that someone else already went through the first 18. :D
10-24-2005, 01:46 PM
s7e9h3n

I've said it before, and I'll say it again....no offense, but to compare TCCD clocks not only do you have to run the same speed on the memory, but use a mult @ 10+. Anything lower is much, much easier to do. Regardless, that's still quite an accomplishment Andre :toast:
10-24-2005, 01:48 PM
Vapor

Steve.....not all CPUs can do that. Isn't still an equal test of the memory using the 9x multi?
10-24-2005, 02:34 PM
targ

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

I've said it before, and I'll say it again....no offense, but to compare TCCD clocks not only do you have to run the same speed on the memory, but use a mult @ 10+. Anything lower is much, much easier to do. Regardless, that's still quite an accomplishment Andre :toast:

yes i dont quite understand this statement, the IMC shouldnt be affected by multi, and even if it was thats nothing to do with the ram itself being stable.

could you please explain more?

targ
10-24-2005, 02:42 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by szukalski

Took me two pairs to find one that did 310MHz @ 2.5-3-3-6 @ 2.8v (300MHz @ 2.7v).
Could be that someone else already went through the first 18. :D

If i use bad A64 Tweaker Timing run , i will be running higher. Why am i done it?Because that's lose WR and test ram significance.
10-24-2005, 02:49 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

Steve.....not all CPUs can do that. Isn't still an equal test of the memory using the 9x multi?

NO.
10-24-2005, 02:52 PM
Vapor

Care to explain....I can completely understand the IMC getting stressed more with higher multis, but the memory too?
10-24-2005, 02:59 PM
bachus_anonym

It might not be as obvious as you think it is, Steve. It's not 100% guaranteed that If one does 315MHz on x10. then it will do 320Mhz on x8. It's not that easy.

I've been playing with my 4400LE for the last week or so. It does 32M @ 304Mhz 6-3-3-2.4-1t with x11 multi... So, far I used all tricks I know and cannot get it to pass 306Mhz, even on multi x7. I will still be trying but I 'm not 100% sure that what you claim is holy truth. If lowering multi gives advantage, then it's very slim...
But that's only my :2cents:
10-24-2005, 03:04 PM
TheMeatFrog

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

It might not be as obvious as you think it is, Steve. It's not 100% guaranteed that If one does 315MHz on x10. then it will do 320Mhz on x8. It's not that easy.

I've been playing with my 4400LE for the last week or so. It does 32M @ 304Mhz 6-3-3-2.4-1t with x11 multi... So, far I used all tricks I know and cannot get it to pass 306Mhz, even on multi x7. I will still be trying but I 'm not 100% sure that what you claim is holy truth. If lowering multi gives advantage, then it's very slim...
But that's only my :2cents:

Same here bachus, my FF do 307 2.5-3-3-6 regardless of multi :slap: 9x and 8x do nothing for me :confused:
10-24-2005, 03:08 PM
amrgb

From my experience if the limiting factor is the ram and not the memory controller, the higher the multiplier and the faster the cpu the better.

Thing is with my winnie at 2440 (8x) for 305HTT it took more than 30 minutes to complete a 32M run. When you are at the verge of stability (32M-wise) the faster you do the job the smaller the probability of getting an error.

I've tried with 7x and 6x and not only I didn't gain one single Mhz but also sometimes I could not even get a 32M run at 305.

How bad I wished I had a fast cpu at that time...
10-24-2005, 03:37 PM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

Care to explain....I can completely understand the IMC getting stressed more with higher multis, but the memory too?

It doesn't mean memory getting stressed. It's all about the memory efficiency.
If Steve is wrong, then I think there is no reason we need run some Sandra memory bandwidth for own reference.;) From that bench tell us, lower multi. got lower memory controller efficiency. Consequently, under about the same FSB setting, using lower multiplier to bench is way not harder than higher multiplier does same FSB.
10-24-2005, 04:29 PM
Vapor

My argument was more clearly expressed by bachus....I was simply talking about stability, not performance. I can get nearly Sandra score @ 264x11 as I do 274x9 (actually, the former is higher), that I know and understand. Very similarly to TMF, my LA can do 306 2.5-3-3-0 as long as my CPU can clock that high....
10-25-2005, 12:58 AM
szukalski

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

If i use bad A64 Tweaker Timing run , i will be running higher. Why am i done it?Because that's lose WR and test ram significance.

? I don't follow here. :confused:
10-25-2005, 01:37 AM
hicookie

great job,dude, new WR!!
10-25-2005, 03:22 AM
kktham

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

519 TCCD

bro u pry the heatsink open to see the week of the chip??
10-25-2005, 03:41 AM
Vapor

As a matter of fact....his heatspreaders are off. There are pictures on the earlier page(s) (depends on view settings).
10-25-2005, 04:03 AM
gigi77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

It doesn't mean memory getting stressed. It's all about the memory efficiency.
If Steve is wrong, then I think there is no reason we need run some Sandra memory bandwidth for own reference.;) From that bench tell us, lower multi. got lower memory controller efficiency. Consequently, under about the same FSB setting, using lower multiplier to bench is way not harder than higher multiplier does same FSB.

go for 320 2.5-3-3-5

:)
10-25-2005, 05:07 AM
amrgb

:idea:
10-25-2005, 05:10 AM
Vapor

huh?
10-25-2005, 06:32 AM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by szukalski

? I don't follow here. :confused:

So many people change A64tweaker after running 32M. If u care about 32M Speed. you will be found why their 32M are so slow.

Use this A64tweaker and run 32M again.

http://andreyang.myweb.hinet.net/A64.JPG
10-25-2005, 08:37 AM
ianocean

100Mhz 1.95us -what TREF is this displayed in DFI BIOS
10-25-2005, 08:48 AM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by gigi77

Hello Mr. Onepagebook,

:) :toast:

hi Master gigi77, your run and everything is more impressive :toast: , at least you won't get the shxty ram program them first(oh ya , pry the heatspreaderand from geil reinstall on the shxty ram) then return to store and cost you nothing. I should learn this huh? :toast:
10-25-2005, 10:26 AM
gigi77

mr. Onepagebook you have my pvt

luigi
10-25-2005, 10:57 AM
LoKi2k

alright, here i am:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...3734383737.jpg

mission done:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...3762336165.jpg

final pic:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...3034343231.jpg

some one want to buy these sticks? :D
10-25-2005, 11:06 AM
x3ro

WTF!! Thats amazing m8 :| realy.. Congrats with ur WR.... What sticks are you using?

Regards
10-25-2005, 11:11 AM
$ilver

G.Skill 4400LE i think ;)
10-25-2005, 11:15 AM
x3ro

nice for pc4400 sticks..
10-25-2005, 11:18 AM
LoKi2k

jep 4400 le :D

bios is 703-1 ;)
10-25-2005, 11:19 AM
bachus_anonym

@LoKi2k,

I'm not trying to be an a$$, but I have to tell you that even considering that CPU-Z was open during the run, 23:49 is pretty bad time for 3.2Ghz and such high 6-3-3-2.5-1T clock.
10-25-2005, 11:28 AM
szukalski

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianocean

100Mhz 1.95us -what TREF is this displayed in DFI BIOS

4708 I think.
10-25-2005, 11:28 AM
LoKi2k

hmm... i dont know.... my 1m-time with thise setting is 25.89x. is that also a bad time? i don´t know.
10-25-2005, 11:51 AM
amrgb

You have a camera. Do like AndreYang.

Take shots every 2-3 steps.

Not saying that you've done it, but it is possible to run 23 loops with say 300-310 and then change the clock to 320 with clockgen for the last one (or a timing with the tweaker) and voila.

You have to realize that we are now at a point where for some people is hard to believe in higher clocks (specially when they come in almost a daily basis).
10-25-2005, 11:58 AM
Zeus

Ugh! :slobber:
Like Bachus said, time is very bad for 10x320 but this could be caused by the Tref.

Could you try again with Tref 100MHz 1.95us?

Please take a few pics during the run with CPU-Z open, memory tab visible.

Still, very very nice result! :toast:
10-25-2005, 12:22 PM
LoKi2k

umpf!

ok, tomorrow ;)
10-25-2005, 12:37 PM
bachus_anonym

This is what I mean, look:

300x10=3000Mhz 5-3-3-2.5-1T; I tried to set all major timmings the way you had it set for fair comparison
The result is 24:14, only 25s slower than your 320x10. At this point, every 1HTT is ~4s, so 305Mhz would beat your 320Mhz... And i would still be 150Mhz slower than you were...

This run is with 2 CPU-Z windows open, Normal Priority and no registry tweaks... Just plain, fresh OS.

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...5_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...6_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...7_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...8_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...9_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...0_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...1_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...2_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...3_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...5_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...6_exposure.JPG

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...10_633_32M.png

Just as amrgb said.... Seeing results like yours and such bad times makes me for example wonder about it ;)

Update: Scratch that 305Mhz I said above... 303Mhz will be just fine, If run with one CPU-Z window open...
10-25-2005, 12:52 PM
ianocean

Zeus did 32M 23.03 at 10x313Mhz Mhz so i think is not normal at 320Mhz to get such bad time :stick:
10-25-2005, 12:57 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

This is what I mean, look:

300x10=3000Mhz 5-3-3-2.5-1T; I tried to set all major timmings the way you had it set for fair comparison
The result is 24:14, only 25s slower than your 320x10. At this point, every 1HTT is ~4s, so 305Mhz would beat your 320Mhz... And i would still be 150Mhz slower than you were...

This run is with 2 CPU-Z windows open, Normal Priority and no registry tweaks... Just plain, fresh OS.

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...5_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...6_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...7_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...8_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...9_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...0_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...1_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...2_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...3_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...5_exposure.JPG
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...6_exposure.JPG

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...10_633_32M.png

Just as amrgb said.... Seeing results like yours and such bad times makes me for example wonder about it ;)

Ummm michal,
Look again...you're not exactly making a "fair" comparison. Check your tweaker table again ->
Your trtw =2, his is =3
Your bypass max = 4x, his = 7x
Your MAL,.PR = 8,5.0, his = 9,7.0
Your Drivestrength = Normal, his = Weak
On top of that, you're running a way higher Vcore than him - which will ultimately give you a much faster time even with the same settings (with the assumption that the cpu's scale similarly with similar voltages). So in the end, your 305 shouldn't be anywhere near his time if you run the exact same timings......
10-25-2005, 01:03 PM
Zeus

That cannot make such a big difference.
Maybe his OS is a bit worn?

Let's wait for his run with pictures tommorow, it's too early to judge yet.
10-25-2005, 01:17 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Ummm michal,
Look again...you're not exactly making a "fair" comparison. Check your tweaker table again ->
Your trtw =2, his is =3
Your bypass max = 4x, his = 7x
Your MAL,.PR = 8,5.0, his = 9,7.0
Your Drivestrength = Normal, his = Weak
On top of that, you're running a way higher Vcore than him - which will ultimately give you a much faster time even with the same settings (with the assumption that the cpu's scale similarly with similar voltages). So in the end, your 305 shouldn't be anywhere near his time if you run the exact same timings......

So i say dont use bad A64tweaker run 32M.

If i use his tweaker , maybe i can run 320+.........
10-25-2005, 01:27 PM
TheMeatFrog

His Trc = 10, Max Async Latency = 9, Read Preamable = 7 and his tref is one of the slower ones when it comes to PI. These are just a few performance killers, but he isn't going for best time just max MHz so it doesn't really matter. :) His time seems about right to me after taking the above into consideration.

Congrats on a very very nice clock :toast:
10-25-2005, 01:38 PM
amrgb

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

If i use his tweaker , maybe i can run 320+.........

What are you waiting for? Claim the WR again :D

I would like to know where this will stop. One of these days the 2.5-3-3 WR would be higher than the 2.5-4-3 one :p:

Edit: went check at the ranking, 5 more Mhz and both WR will be leveled
10-25-2005, 01:58 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

So i say dont use bad A64tweaker run 32M.

If i use his tweaker , maybe i can run 320+.........

Agreed, your timings above are superb, only thing more I would hope to see is trfc @ 13 ;) But it's hard to get everyone to "standardlize" their timings and if people want to make comparisons, they should at least use the same settings, that's all.....
10-25-2005, 02:51 PM
bachus_anonym

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@s7e9h3n and TheMeatFrog,

You guys put way too much money into claim that Read Preamble or MAL are some sort of huge performance boosters. Those values can be very crucial to stability but not performance, especially when 32M is concerned.

My batteries went out so no DC shots, but I took 4 screen grabs during 302x10=3020 run. I cannot match exactly same settings (TRWT=2, Drive Strength=Normal and BypassMax=4 are the factors in my setup that allow mems run above 300Mhz 6-3-3-2.5-1T) but those 3 settings ARE NOT speeding up 32M calculation that much, Only TRWT=2 does it, but it's a matter of ~2s. Anyway, at 302x10 6-3-3-2.5-1T, with CPU-Z open, Normal Priority and no-tweak OS I get 24:03. If you guys still think that LoKi2k's time is still "about right" for such high CPU and Mem clocks, then with all due respect, you're wrong.

What I'm trying to say, is that at this point it's really hard to put a lot of trust in such high clock/ bad time results. Especially, that it is PC4400LE... It's just unheard of to achieve anywhere near that with those modules. I will stand corrected If it's otherwise :)
10-25-2005, 02:52 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

That cannot make such a big difference.
Maybe his OS is a bit worn?

Let's wait for his run with pictures tommorow, it's too early to judge yet.

Yes it can...I just did the math (I think) that Bachus used to calculate his estimation of 303-305 FSB with his timings to run the same spi time and his timings definately gives him an advantage.....
But if for example, Loki2k decided he wanted to LOWER his htt to run the same 24m14s time as Bachus, he would still need to run @ 314 HTT using his current timings to equal that time.....
If my math is right, with his timings, Bachus is running @ about 8-9% faster per clock than Loki2k
10-25-2005, 03:01 PM
dinos22

bachus if you check out Opteron OC times you'll see that they lose out to San Diegos in 32M runs due to MAL/Read Preamble as people need to loosen those with Opterons to get them stable

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

@s7e9h3n and TheMeatFrog,

You guys put way too much money into claim that Read Preamble or MAL are some sort of huge performance boosters. Those values can be very crucial to stability but not performance, especially when 32M is concerned.

My batteries went out so no DC shots, but I took 4 screen grabs during 302x10=3020 run. I cannot match exactly same settings (TRWT=2, Drive Strength=Normal and BypassMax=4 are the factors in my setup that allow mems run above 300Mhz 6-3-3-2.5-1T) but those 3 settings ARE NOT speeding up 32M calculation that much, Only TRWT=2 does it, but it's a matter of ~2s. Anyway, at 302x10 6-3-3-2.5-1T, with CPU-Z open, Normal Priority and no-tweak OS I get 24:03. If you guys still think that LoKi2k's time is still "about right" for such high CPU and Mem clocks, then with all due respect, you're wrong.

What I'm trying to say, is that at this point it's really hard to put a lot of trust in such high clock/ bad time results. Especially, that it is PC4400LE... It's just unheard of to achieve anywhere near that with those modules. I will stand corrected If it's otherwise :)
10-25-2005, 03:41 PM
bachus_anonym

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@dinos22,

That was initial information that TeamJapan gave all of us... Take a look at AndreYang's screenshot... He's running Opteron and his MAL and RP are not high. Also, there's quite a few good results in Opteron thread with also "normal" MAL and RP. Anyway, this is setting that, like I said, might have large impact on stability but rather insignificant on performance (unless, one is going into >10ns values...).

Ohm btw... Just in case someone would like to say that I run Server2003 so it might not be fair either, since someclaim that Server2003 is faster :) I just re-run 302x10 at same settings and conditions, but under WinXP SP2 with default services. In other words, totally standard, non-tweaked OS... How about a shocker, 24:00 - 3secs faster than on Server2003 :) Enjoy...

Now that i lived up to my title, time to go out and grab a beer :lol:
10-25-2005, 05:10 PM
poiuy223

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

hi Master gigi77, your run and everything is more impressive :toast: , at least you won't get the shxty ram program them first(oh ya , pry the heatspreaderand from geil reinstall on the shxty ram) then return to store and cost you nothing. I should learn this huh? :toast:

wow. a little harsh on someone just because they've taken the new WR with memory not from g.skill

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