http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/10/14/nvidia_prices/
Looks like ATi may lose it's crown before it even gets it...
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http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/10/14/nvidia_prices/
Looks like ATi may lose it's crown before it even gets it...
hahaha, so good if you just wait and see...now if I would have bought a GTX in June....I would feel bad right now...
I always said (like many others) that this Ultra is still coming....Fuad Fraud just got a whole new meaning... :D
Now...if the GTX is already within 10-15fps of the XT...guess what it will do with the same memory, and 512mb..and a healthy clockspeed bump...
Note that G70's architecture (Mhz vs Mhz - Pipes vs Pipes is better, that's ofcourse comparing Oranges to Apples and vice versa, but what if they can get the speed up to let's say 500mhz?)
December :(
i got some specs on the 6800GS thats named in the same article:
GeForce 6800 GS
12 Pixel Pipelines
256Bit
256 MB
about clocks speeds they dont wanna say anything yet.
the price that Nvidia sets is 249 dollars for the 256MB card.
sadly i think it will b that Non Ultra core that has a max of 12 pipes so no unlocking.
i think it wil beat the X1600XT np, so im shure ATI will answer with a new mid-range card for the X1xxx series.
December? hell no dude...that's the 512mb GTX...the Ultra is coming very soon...most likely 1st of November!!!!!!!
Yeah, what's with the title? This is merely a 512MB version of the 7800GTX
Word on the "street" for the past month has been november 1st, to have it out the door before ATi get their XT on the street.
MSRP *should* be the same as ATi's x1800xt.
p.s. Tim, remember me telling you to wait instead of buyin the x1800xt?
It also told them to expect a 7800 'Ultra' with 512MB, very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
The 512MB version of the GTX will be available, sources told us, in December.
Now, that looks like an Ultra....AND a 512mb GTX doesn't it? ;)
ofcourse Dil :D :owned:Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Shadow, it says clear as day, NVidia is launching their ultra VERY soon!
Quote:
Originally Posted by bittech
Yep, the card was ready a while ago as I posted:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=72587
I hope it has a new core. 32 pipes would be really nice. It would be really pushing ATI to launch the R580 core cards.
I remember seeing that post and shrugging it off actually alexio, as I'm sure you can understand due to the lack of a link..I take any forum posts without proof with a grain of salt.
Either way, now it's official, there WILL be an ultra soon, and that's straight from NVidia's mouth.
wouldnt 32 pipes be overkill for shure?
imagin the CPU ud need for 2 Ultras with 32 pipes ?
:p: or some really kickas dual core optimized drivers.
btw a french link on the GS
http://www.clubic.com/actualite-2307...ez-nvidia.html
Jesus guys....if that means 32 pipes.....I can't even begin to grasp the power of this card...
Well the quadro cooler could be on it, that's good for people don't wanting watercooling...should perform really well :)
There are two items on the way. First, there will be a spec change on the 512 MB cards. They will purportedly use 1.2 ns instead of 1.6ns GDDR3 (1400 Mhz) memory. Second, a new 90 nm core is on the way that promises some very nice OC abilities. Couple those together, and you have the killer GTX or the "Ultra". Both of those items were expected in January.
As far as I could gather from all the insight leaked from nVidia, there will be no Ultra, per sey, but a new version of the GTX with stepped up specs. It would be bad PR at this time for nVidia to release an Ultra. Many who have purchased the GTX would feel betrayed as nVidia has hardlined the fact that there would be no Ultra version.
A 7800GTX 512MB is likely. As for a 7800 Ultra (which to our, bit tech's and the Inq's knowledge, may well be a 512MB GTX :rolleyes: )
"the inq" has never been equal to "it says as clear of day" ;)
As for the 6800GS, the X800GTO and GT were out months ago...AND on top of that ATI has the X1600XT coming up with no 7600/7200 in sight. Pls make sure to evaluate all the facts before the "ATi will get owned" comments begin to go through our minds. :)
Perkam
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyH20
Correction....IIRC the only one who said this was Fuad....(Fraud) he checked with his sources...well he's BS and we know it.... ;) :)Quote:
nVidia has hardlined the fact that there would be no Ultra version.
Who would feel betrayed? seriously...we are talking about fall/winter refresh....5!!!!! months ago the GTX was launched...nVidia has absolutely NO reason to not release an Ultra :)
But we will see, it would sure be great...
Bit Tech didn't link the inq, and I didn't link the inq.
NVidia stated at their meeting in amsterdam to expect a 7800Ultra very soon.
They ALSO mentioned a 512mb gtx. Wouldn't this obviously point out 2 different products?
Also, perkam, there's been word floating around about a new nvidia card coming november 1st. It's now a fact that it won't be the 512mb gtx(NVidia said December for that part), and it won't be the 6800gs(december there as well). So it would almost have to be the 7800ultra. I'd expect it by the latest in december, since NVidia will be launching their dual-gpu cards early next year(the g72 sku).
Looks like 2 different cards to me, how about you guys? Keep in mind, this is STRAIGHT from the horses mouth!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bit Tech
Finally, Heavy, NVidia NEVER said with their own mouth that there wouldn't be an ultra. Tim is fully correct on this. ONLY the inq posted that article! Therefore, NVidia wouldn't be lying to anyone... Besides, we already knew there would be a fall/winter refresh, just originally everyone expected it to be the 7900 instead of the 7800.
arent they making new 7800's on 90nm in the mobile cards? hmm makes me wonder what they are gonna pull out of their hat!
The RSX(NVidia's PS3 chip) is 90nm as well...
At this rate, the RSX is outdated before the PS3 will even hit the market, the RSX is only slightly faster then a GTX... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Funny... :)
They have the capability though, 90nm......wishful thinking but there's nothing wrong with that
ok lol...Dil, pls try to say things in a concise manner ;)
Yes he's right in one thing. Check Bittech's article again. The Inq is mentioned two lines after the article starts...mentioning first what they know from partners, THEN the inq.
So yes it seems the possibility of an Ultra exist...but I doubt a company with non-existant nex gen low and mid end will focus completely on the higher end especially when it has little competition there.
We get articles, thats information, but when we analyse them, we need to use some logic gentlemen.
Perkam
Perkam, those were NVidia's exact words "expect an ultra soon".
As for low and mid end, do they really need to bother? They can just bump down the 6 series and still manage to maul ati's new cards, meanwhile keeping most of the same product features besides radiosity and Transparency AA, which a mid-range product really wouldn't have the horsepower to handle these 2 features anyway.
This is why everyone has stated NVidia is in a very strong position currently.
mid range is going to be the 6800gs isnt it?
Speeding away pretty fast, by this time tommorow your talking about 64pipe monster with 2048MB GDDR5 RAM.
It's not that simple :) This isnt matrox we're talking about ;)Quote:
They can just bump down the 6 series and still manage to maul ati's new cards
The 6800GS will compete will the X800GT/GTOs ...with the GTOs at $199 being unlocked to 16 pipes for 6k+ in 05. If its one thing thats getting mauled in the mid end, its the 6600GT and the 6800NU...the GS, XT and what not are responses to ATI's recent leadership in that section. Secondly, the 6200 and the 6600 are being used number of times in reviews of the X1300PRo which beats them both at a very affordable price.
I believe the Ultra wont be launched before Nvidia can release the 7600 and 7200 out...or at least the 7200 considering the X1300PRo makes more of a bang in the low end than the X1600XT in the mid end :shakes:
Perkam
Actually, NVidia's own words is that the 6800gs is their answer to the x1600xt.
sob... right when I'm ready to upgrade there's always more stuff to wait for. First the DFI SLI-DR Expert and now this. By the time those come out there will be something else in another 1-2 months... lol. Sigh, dont know what to buy or wait for now.
Hmm I wonder if this will actually be a 7900 with 512bit bus and 512 mem? Wouldn't suprise me if Nvidia did that considering thats what they did with the 5800 to 5900 when the 128bit 5800 couldn't beat the 256bit 9700.
the only bit i dont get is why the Inq says the 6800GS will perform like the 6800GT.
isnt the NV42 wich the 6800GS uses a 12pipe GPU wich was used for the PCI-Expres 6800 and 6800LE?
so the 6800GS should have a 12 pipe max were the GT has 16.
Maybe wel see a GS with NV40 core wich is bios flashable to GT just like the GTO2.
Well, it has to be better than the NU, since the NU msrp is $199 now. So you figure it's either 12 pipes at a much higher clockspeed or it's flashable to a gt. Either way, it means the x1600xt has some serious competition.
Yeah usauly i hate it when companies copy eachother but i shurly wont dislike it if Nvidia would copy the GTO2 bit.
but i doubt this GS has a long life, most likely Nvidia is emptying its stock on these GPUs.
but ur right it is either bios flashable to 16 pipes or it has quick GDDR3 memory.
First Nvidia 512Mb card...
For Nvidia it's very good, because for very high resolutions with AA8 AF16 at least Nvidia needs more MB of Vram, than ATI cards.
And this is based on...........Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasparz
I would just like to know ;)
You probably have a lot of theories but do you have any benchmarks proving this?
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...l#3d_mark_2005
6600gt with 128MB...
I think 512MB for Nvidia cards are better than 512MB for ATI cards...sounds stupid, but thats my opinion.
Article: "The cards compete in the $250 range, where NVIDIA has previously had the 6600 GT - a slower card than the X1600."
???
The 6600GT has always been under 200$, and also, they are pretty even with the X1600XT.
I told, that Nvidia's CAN'T run 1600x1200 AA4 AF8, but ATI CAN!
So Nvidia cards needs more Vram for AA and AF, than ATI.
What are you talking about kasparz, NVidia's 7800gtx runs MOST games fine at 2048* resolution playably.
Totally...Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Frame rate speed boosts with the larger buffer will only increase performance in newer games at high resolutions, but this is all I care about anyway, SO BRING EM.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
My 7800GTX's will be going up for sale i can sense it already.
7800 Ultra will just be a die shrink of the GTX, and likely upped to 512mb RAM for the n00bs who think "ooh 512mb must be better card than a 256mb!"
expect 500mhz stock clocks, and anywhere upto 575mhz from the overclocking companies like Gainward and BFG Tech.
this WILL be an X1800XT beater.
512mb of 1.26ns ram at that...
the X1800XT may be a better card then the 7800 GTX and all that (but honestly in my opinion, I have yet to see anything that really swayed me to believe it is...)
but for me, it still comes down to this...
comparing something, to something that barely exists, to something I been able to buy for months, is really no comparison.
at the moment, the X1800XT might as well not even exist, cause if I can't get it, then all the screen shots, and rumours, and bragging in the world, isn't gonna mean a thing to me...
on a side note...
if anyone remembers how fast Nvidia had the 7800 GTX available, it really wouldn't suprise me, if the 7800 ultra, was already sitting in stacks in some Nvidia factory, and getting ready for a quick release into the market.
Atleast, 1 of the major videocard companies on the market knows how to lauch hardware... without smoke and mirrors...
What amazes me is the tightlippyness (sorry for the word, don't know how to spell it) from nVidia...how many Ultra rumours did we have uptil now? Not much I can tell you that....they only told it because they wanted their shareholders to stick with them...so they told them their little secret..and we now it now too...
Knowing nVidia...it's almost ready to go to stores to be available the 1st of November :)
what i think is the older 7800 ultra which is canceled has 32 pipes and nvidia holds it for r580 the new 7800 ultra which they gonna launch soon will going to have again 24pipes but with higer clocks and better ram with a high possibility of 90nm die
NVidia has the G72(a dual core, not dual gpu G70) for the R580, it's slated to release early next year. What purpose would they have to hold off a 32-piped G70 if they indeed have one?
^^ where did you read the g72 is dual core???? i think there is not purpose in the gpu to have another core where they are xtremely paralalel right now....
Opps, read the article wrong, the G72 is meant to usher in NVidia's reference dual-gpu. Not dual core gpu.
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20051005A7033.html
I feel this is a bunch of BS. They released this to get ATI worried but nothing is going to happen but they are going to beat ATI at the 2006 release too it seems.
I bet if the 7800 Ultra beats the x1800xt by a small amout of FPS, ATi may update their xt to a x1800xt-pe with faster memory and higher clocksQuote:
Originally Posted by live2game2003
and you think turok that is possible if ati said they were having problems to reproduce the core speed cuz is too high.....
lol then you're completely wrong.
Both the X1800XL and the X1800XT easily max out ATI CCC, from what I've seen.
I dont know , I just find the inquirer to not be a very trustable source.
I say we wait and see Jason....let's not speculate how a card could gain 50% MHz just by going from 110nm to 90nm. ;)
To go as fast as you're saying, I'm betting low-k would be needed and we know nV won't do that until we've all forgotten what they said or they're seriously lagging behind ATi in performance (which they're not at all).
I find that the 2 companies switch sides every generation of cards.(I.E. One wins over then the other and then reverse and so on and so forth.) I really think ATI has got enough momentum to give the one-two punch to nvidia this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
I haven't observed the same thing....9700Pro > Ti4600 (that's not fair for a few reasons, though), 9800XT > 5950U, X8x0XT > 6800U, X1800XT > 7800GTX.....it just takes ATi a little while longer to get there ;)
December you say, I shall add it to my christmas list...:D
That's a manner of opinion & application used. For those of us who don't base our decisions upon 3dmark the 6800u was our choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
The Geforce4 went up against the Radeon 8series, not 9series, and NVidia DEFINITELY won that round, and every one before that. ATi's R3xx architecture literally owned NVidia's NV3x, that's no secret, and that's was honestly the turning point for ati. I seem to remember at one point, I believe it was the 3 series, where ATi released a new videocard(the 7 series) to compete with it, and NVidia released a new driver and completely stomped it with their older card. I might be wrong, it may have been earlier, but I *think* it was that one.
As for the x1800xt vs. 7800gtx, we'll have to see if NVidia's new card hits the market before ATi's is available. Currently, they both have their strengths and their weaknesses, and it's definitely too early to call it. Especially with ATi's card showing 5-6 months later than NVidia's.
x8x0xt>6800u mmmm 1vs1 but you forgot nvidia can SLI their cards so they have a hughe advantage
so i think nvidia won the serie 6 vs r400 just because you can sli
I'll keep my post short and sweet: let's agree to disagree ;)
Anyway, I don't see the swapping back and forth (before 9700Pro I didn't know a thing about computers so I have no reference and I don't mix well with history :p: ). I also don't see any promise of this card being anything more than a 512MB GTX yet....so it's really all speculation.
What I do see is ATi coming later and later to the game but with better and better stuff....once it's there of course. :D
That's precisely the trouble with ATI at the moment. If their product release schedule slips any further they will be matching their best currently available technology against Nvidia's next generation.
Worse yet, ATI has slipped so far behind now that when it does actually have the crown (in terms of available retail performance) they only it hold it for a few short months at best. By giving Nvidia the crown for so long (7800gtx being available for almost 6 months now) they loose serious ground not only in the high end, but in trailing middle market.
ATI needs to leapfrog Nvidia by a huge margin to get things back up to speed. I don't see it happening this generation. Looks like ATI will have their time in the sun for a very brief moment, if it all, this time around when it comes to available performance.
I hope ATI gets it together soon.
Good point mdzcpa....completely forgot that eventually they'll just slip into nV's next generation (that'd be funny historically though) and get killed. A leapfrog is something that they'll need--or stay between nV generations and hope that nV doesn't match them when they come out for a while--but that's hoping for A LOT.
just wait and see, but i really feel like nvidia has been preparing something to compete with the x1800xt.
Now as r580 i now from first source it would be better thatn r520 but not something impresive, the source said we arent talking much about it but it'll be like the 9700 to 9800pro upgrade (from r520 to r580).
There are also many other bottleneck in a pc like cpu power and software, the cards are much more advanced and are cpu and software limited.
One question is there a chip of gddr3 faster than 1.2ns??
regards
I dunno about this Ultra coming out or not...but the cleverness of Nvidia's marketing department is something to smile at ;)
Apparently, ATI used tid bits of information and timing to stall ppl in their decision to buy a gtx/GT by having an XL/XT always appearing in the horizon in their minds since August...and now, when Nov. 10 comes along, ppl will have an Ultra to look forward to...:p:...which will convince ppl to wait more :D Very Clever indeed exploiting that brand "loyalty" advantage. This would explain their tightlipness too.
Perkam
I wouldn't count too much on a Press Edition version of the already Press Edition labeled X1800XT. Neither availability or performance wise. Historically, the
X850XT -> X850XTPE
520 core -> 540 core (+3.8%)
1.08 ghz -> 1.18 ghz (+9.3%)
X800XT -> X800XTPE
500 core -> 520 core (+4%)
1.00 ghz -> 1.12 ghz (+12%)
just for reference:
6800GT -> 6800 Ultra
350 core -> 420 core (+20%)
can't remember mem clocks... lol
certainly, the GT was not the GTX at that time, but it did have as many pixel pipelines as the ultra, while the GT has not as many as the GTX. so i think this would still be a valid comparison between a possible Ultra and a GTX through a historical view. they both had the same amount of memory too.
The little "PE" did not mean very much to the world. Not even from X800XT -> X850XTPE was a big step (just core +8% and mem +18%). Then a GTX at 490 is 14% faster than a normal GTX, and it's not even an ultra. Also theoretically 1500 (ATI's 1.26ns) over 1200 Mhz (nVidia's current 1.6ns) is a solid 25% boost. Moreover, don't expect a PE version to have 1024MB while a potential Ultra would (most certainly) have 512MB (that is twice the amount of its "predecessor"). No, if we look at history a little PE or even +50 "PR rating" wouldn't do much difference (if nVidia indeed are able to keep it up). instead, ati would have to bring out the R580 or similar for more of a 9700->9800 jump.
Well ATI themselves said that they could easily bump up the clockspeed and release an higher clocked part....read it like 2 days ago (don't ask me where, because I'm playing Serious Sam II :D )
You read it in the official ATi news thread, the one I posted...
It was ATi's ceo that stated it tim, at a shareholders meeting.
Ah that's it, thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
lol easy, it weren't my words :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
But I totally agree with you...IF nVidia brings out a card before ATI does, better performance and slightly cheaper...ATI is done for...total screwup ....I'm not joking here guys...they already lost so much money on GTX and GT....check almost every sig here....so many people have 7800 series card in their rigs...High end cards have a bigger impact on sales then you think :(
Not to mention the loyal share of fans that they already lost...the 9700-9800 day loyalists who already swapped sides...that is a very bad thing for ATI, they are burning them up at alarming rates...but hey, that's what you get I suppose... ( you know the lies and promises that they can't deliver, etc, it's horrible... :( )
I hope ATI can pull out of this one...R580 maybe? Slight chance that we will see that card before spring/summer 2006...
We need a chill-pill smiley.....:D
That problem with transistors in R520 really made one big mess.
Dont really know if ATI is the one to blame.
Would have been safer to not go 90ns i guess.
ATi were talking about NVidia, as in NVidia could just bump their clockspeeds in the 7800gtx.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
see?Quote:
Originally Posted by ATi'sCeo
It would be sweet if nvidia could just start putting out 7800gtx's without cold bug. Hopefully the ultra won't have it. It seems that with the right scaling, this card could compete if it could get below -58c. Am I wrong?
You know how much the X1800XT costs here in the UK? $830 US Dollar (470 Pounds)
I for one don't care at all about that....who cares about worldrecords...I just want the card to perform properly under normal conditions...Air or water :)Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
I mean it's cool to see how fast they can go, but other then that, useless really (probably the wrong forum to say that, but heck it's my own opinion) :D
A guy from ATI told me that G70´s architecture doesn´t get benefit of higher memory frequency than 1500mhz. So that if Nvidia shipped 7800s with 1.26ns running at 1500mhz, overclocking their memory won´t show results. He said stuff about the e-clocks or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
haha a guy from ATI told you that? LMAO :fact: (not bashing you, just finding it funny)Quote:
Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter
just kidding, but even if it will run at 1500Mhz it will kick ass....
he he, we know :p:Quote:
"THAT ALL THE REVIEWERS GOT I love saying this btw"
Tim, you're talking to someone who gets the newest graphics cards from ATI/NV to review before release, so I'd believe 'em ;) Secondly, ATI and Nvidia know much more about each than they let on...however, we CAN test this result, as the xtreme OCers here have taken the GTX's ram close to that.Quote:
haha a guy from ATI told you that? LMAO (not bashing you, just finding it funny)
just kidding, but even if it will run at 1500Mhz it will kick ass....
Perkam
Thats the problem that we are creating here. We really should not say "if". We should say "is". The GTX has a cold bug. :fact: So right now there is no "if" it did not. I really dont want to pick on you but I think we should see cards for what they are not what we want them to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
True. I did not mean to offend you in any way though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
HeheHe yes sounds funny, but he wasn´t trying to sell me something, we where just commenting Fuad´s news :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
I think he always sounds offended lol But he IS right...and he even bought an XL and returned it only because he's waiting for the XT.Quote:
True. I did not mean to offend you in any way though.
BTW, Jason, much earlier reports of the R520 (think August) were saying that the XT and the PRO would have 512MB and the XL would not...which may still come true.
Perkam
What happend to the X1800 Pro anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
When they have X1800s in full production with all retailers in full stock of partner's cards, the cards with relatively bad yields will become the PROs.Quote:
Originally Posted by slider99
Expect it in Jan 2K6.
Perkam
Ah ok, sorry about that, so many jokers around you know : My sources told me this etc etc.....Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I take it back JuanFlaiter :)
About the Xt release date....not everyone lives in the US, 28th!!! November :(
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8504/late7hp.jpg
i swear it was the 15th when they first accepted preorders, well expect it a week early from other uk etailers as ocuk always say they are the first but never are.
it's "2005-12-01" in Sweden it seems, at least at komplett.se... hurrah... (on a side note, X1800XL is 12/01/05 too)...
the x1800xt 512 is 7.4% more expensive than the 256 version. the 512 is
$726,40 USD and 256 is $676,26 USD, that seems to equate to almost exactly $50 USD extra for some 256MB extra 1.26ns DDR3, at least in Sweden.
however, isn't this WAYYYYYY ot?
It is but it's due to lack of Ultra rumours that we once again must go offtopic :DQuote:
Originally Posted by slider99
especially with the good yields ati are having! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
Thats the problem with Nvidia with the entire 7xxx series.
the lack of rumors :( the people that r making the GPUs and the people in Nvidia that know the info really keep their lips tight.
"The Xbox 360 graphics processor, codenamed Xenos, has a 500 Mhz clock speed and 48 shader pipelines featuring an unified shader architecture, a first for a commercial graphics processor."
So I guess that cannot be true right;if i follow your logic.....
:)
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9487/A...nology-Papers/
They have been working on that GPU for like 3 years.... FYIQuote:
Originally Posted by softpain
As a platform I really do like Ati's new cards better - feature wise and in terms of use I really think the x1 series is rather good. The x1800 matches the 7800gtx performance on a smaller die, and allows some nice new features such as hdr with aa. The x1300 is absolutely incredible for an entry level product, and the x1600 is a very solid if unspectacular mid range product. From top to bottom Ati's range looks stronger - but avaliability of the midrange and highest end parts is still not here. In addition pricing has yet to settle as it has with the 7800's. Also Nvidia could pull a 7600 and 7200 out at anytime, which would then offer some competition top to bottom. The 7800 is more of a patch up (much like the x800 was) rather than a true evolution, but the x1800 puts a lot of new features such as a new memory controller into practice that could benefit ati in the long term, and performance could increase as these features are used, wheras the 7800 as a souped up 6800 is likely near is peak performance. Whether the 7800 ultra outperforms the x1800xt or not is immiterial until Nvidia can release products to compete with the x1600 and x1300
why put out a card to match up with the X1600?
the 12 pipe 6800 is cheaper and faster then the reviewed X1600s.
and btw those cards arent even buyable yet.
NVidia, for now, is going to release the 6800gs to smack around the x1600xt(which is FINE, considering the differences between the 7 series and 6 series is miniscule, and the few that are there a midrange card would be to slow to use anyway!).
The inq tells us the card performs on-par with a 6800gt.
give it a dual link tmds and all would be fine, but otherwise would this not have the same 60hz at 1600x1200 limitation either alone or in sli as the crossfire cards? As far as Im aware only the 7800's have a dual link connection (other than the uber expensive 6800 ultra mac edition).
LOL Jason, you answered your own question :p:Quote:
where do you get that nvidia needs a 7800ultra to compete with the x1800xt??
I guess the ultra competes with the XT cos their both non-existant cards :D
Perkam
Well I think there won´t be 512mb 7800GT too, or at least soon. One of the main differences in their PCB is that GTX´s have 16 spaces for soldering RAM (only 8 used); and GT´s only have 8 "spaces" all used. If NV wanted a 512mb GT they would have to use another PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
About your hypothesis of 512mb cards running much faster than 256mb, I think it could be true. I´m trying an XL right now and it doesn´t perform as I thought. Considering the XL should be at U$430 in twok more weeks, I prefer the price/performance of the GT or the pure power of GTX (considering that the XT doesn´t exist).
For me the XT and CrossFire just don´t exist, they are only nice "proyect" like PPUs
I dream about CPUs not GPUs... except coding nights but that is a different matter all together...Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
:eek: Et tu Juan Flaiter...This thread is making converts of everyone :nono: If this keeps up, I'm gonna be bashing an XL real soon :p: It seems everyone's qualms will be dealt with on Nov. 10th :) But as i've stated before:Quote:
I prefer the price/performance of the GT or the pure power of GTX (considering that the XT doesn´t exist).
The XL will shine once the new oc tool is released (dont now if you already have it Juan :confused: )... and some third party cooling is available for the xl.
Perkam
Well I was justing talking about a VGA for gaming (for what they are made for). But for some sweet 3DMark scores, sure the XL and the XT would do the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
lol this is just funny :clap:Quote:
I guess the ultra competes with the XT cos their both non-existant cards
Erm yes it does. In every DX game it wins, and is as usual far better with AA/AF.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
ive owned this 7800GTX of mine for a while now, and the performance using AA is quite shocking. I can't even run medium AA on Serious Sam 2 at 1600x1200. Most games are the same. My X800XT PE handled AA better.
even my 7800 gt doesnt drop much fps if aa and af is enabled - but a resolution of 1600x1200 is too much for my lady ;]. the 7800gtx is at high resolutions superiour by far.