MUSHKIN PC4000 2gB SMOOKKIINNNNN!!

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10-12-2005, 09:48 PM
charlie

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MUSHKIN PC4000 2gB SMOOKKIINNNNN!!

Great pre-production sticks here...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=38487

Very similar to the popular EB sticks.

2-3-2 1t approx 230mhz
2.5-3-2 1t approx 250+
3-3-2 1t approx 290+

C
10-12-2005, 10:03 PM
Vincentvega18

:slobber: based on the same stuff as the new ocz im assuming from results.?
10-12-2005, 10:22 PM
babyelf

awesome pair of memory :D

i'll be waiting for the 290+ shot ;)
10-12-2005, 10:53 PM
Vapor

This looks like some improved OCZ stuff ;)

Good lookin' results there Charlie :D
10-12-2005, 11:18 PM
bachus_anonym

@Charlie,

Have you switched mobos yet or you're still on Asus? If so, then was that 235Mhz 6-2-3-2.5-1T max you could get 32M stable on a new mobo?
10-12-2005, 11:21 PM
charlie

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Pretty fun stuff to play with... really FLEXIBLE, reminds me of TCCD in that it'll run multiple timing levels at different mhz. I'm still not 100% optimized here with this new SLI-DR, I'm on 0623/Orange... may try 704-BT later. Optimal voltage seems to be around 2.87v. Here's 280...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=38494
10-12-2005, 11:27 PM
Vapor

Can it do 2-2-2 @ 200?
10-13-2005, 12:02 AM
Veil^^

Can they break the 300+ barrier?
10-13-2005, 12:10 AM
charlie

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A bedtime gift for BACHUS ;)

2.5-3-2 is my favorite setting for these sticks... at about 260 they'd be GREAT!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=38495
10-13-2005, 12:15 AM
babyelf

lol bachus can sleep tight now
10-13-2005, 12:25 AM
skane

when will they come available?
10-13-2005, 12:28 AM
Vapor

Soon. ;)
10-13-2005, 07:20 AM
HiJon89

I have to take your results with a grain of salt Charlie, you always get results with Mushkin memory that very few can duplicate, like your Mushkin Blue's in the 270's :p:
10-13-2005, 07:47 AM
ZeroX

And the mushkin redline's @ 285mhz.. :rolleyes:

Impressive results... if all the mushkin 2gb infineon kits are that good... but i doubt it

Keep up the good work ;)
10-13-2005, 08:26 AM
Major

Things are looking good for 1gig sticks ! :toast:
10-13-2005, 08:57 AM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiJon89

I have to take your results with a grain of salt Charlie, you always get results with Mushkin memory that very few can duplicate, like your Mushkin Blue's in the 270's :p:

Be nice ;)
Those blue's were just nice BH5-UTT... lots of people were taking their BH5-UTT to 270ish, and the Redlines... a month after their release, I thought my Redline sticks were only average...

These 2gB sticks look retail to me. Packaging, etc all look like off the shelf. They look similar to the EB's... possibly using the same IC's. My results are pretty consistent with the other users of this IC, right?

C
10-13-2005, 03:26 PM
Zebbo

Nice clocks like always charlie ;)
10-13-2005, 03:37 PM
HiJon89

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

Be nice ;)
Those blue's were just nice BH5-UTT... lots of people were taking their BH5-UTT to 270ish, and the Redlines... a month after their release, I thought my Redline sticks were only average...

These 2gB sticks look retail to me. Packaging, etc all look like off the shelf. They look similar to the EB's... possibly using the same IC's. My results are pretty consistent with the other users of this IC, right?

C

Sorry if I offended, I was just saying Mushkin seems to have a habit of sending you some of their better sticks... lucky :D
10-13-2005, 03:44 PM
Stoner@Large

Are you aloud to tell us what IC's are on those sticks. They look like my be-6's but better. Cas 3 does nothin for me so im topped out at 254 2.5,3,2,5 1t
10-13-2005, 03:45 PM
Vapor

I'm more than 99% sure they're CE-6, like the OCZ.
10-13-2005, 06:46 PM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoner@Large

Are you aloud to tell us what IC's are on those sticks. They look like my be-6's but better. Cas 3 does nothin for me so im topped out at 254 2.5,3,2,5 1t

I honestly don't know... and I can't pull the spreaders off 'cuz I have to send the sticks back :(

C
10-13-2005, 06:55 PM
Vapor

They're CE-6 and are some very good ones at that....shame you have to send the sticks back Charlie.
10-13-2005, 09:42 PM
ahmad

ooooh is this the stuff you mentioned in the OCZ post which you then quickly editted out so OCZ doesn't get you into trouble :P

Some of us are watching.. ha.

BTW very nice results.
10-13-2005, 11:10 PM
guess2098

woow, haven't on for a while and so many good 2GB kits just pop out.....
my $$ is saying good bye to me.........
10-14-2005, 03:41 AM
gundamit

Easy solution to heatspreader issue Charlie, don't send them back ;) Before you do send them back please test CAS 3. Gaspar's CE-6 did 280 at CAS 3 which distinguishes them from other Infineons. Full tweaker shots would be nice.

Even if they can run CAS 2.5 at 265 like my Patriots, that still not enough to unseat the Crucials as the default 2x1gig set for OCers. Would love to see Infineon vs. Crucial at same CPU clock and tweaked to their speed/timing sweet spots. I'm guessing speed still trumps tighter timings.

Here's Corsair's take on the same IC.
10-14-2005, 01:32 PM
charlie

Yeah, they're fine at 3-3-2... tested up to 284, believe they'll do 290.

C
10-14-2005, 01:36 PM
Gaspar

Nice results. whats the price tag on those?
10-15-2005, 01:16 AM
railer

did you ever tried to use em on your Dothan rig. i heard that tccd does well with dothans? Im in need of 2g for my rig.
Thanks
10-15-2005, 08:02 AM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by railer

did you ever tried to use em on your Dothan rig. i heard that tccd does well with dothans? Im in need of 2g for my rig.
Thanks

I don't have a Dothan rig currently. But these sticks are NOT TCCD, they're something entirely different!

And yes, TCCD worked QUITE well on my Dothan/P4C800 and P4GD1 rigs... especially my MUSHKIN PC4400 sticks.

C
10-15-2005, 10:06 AM
Perc

where can we buy these are they even out to the genral public yet? what will they be called so i can look for them?

thx perc,
10-17-2005, 09:49 AM
gbomb944

Given that you have the ballistix and the patriots Gundamit which is better?
Are the patriots much worse than the ballistix? Ever done max vs max with the same cpu speed?
10-18-2005, 08:25 AM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perc

where can we buy these are they even out to the genral public yet? what will they be called so i can look for them?

thx perc,

I'm thinking the first place to look would be mushkin.com... then the "usuals" shortly after that.

My bad... I guess they're not QUITE out yet.

C
10-18-2005, 08:53 AM
Sentential

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

I'm thinking the first place to look would be mushkin.com... then the "usuals" shortly after that.

EDIT:
Appears to be THIS
http://mushkin.com/doc/products/memo...ail.asp?ID=239

C

Nah thats not it. What you have will be something else entirely if what Im told is correct
10-18-2005, 08:56 AM
babyelf

3-4-3-8 should be UCCC

urs should be an un-announced awesome modules :D
10-18-2005, 06:28 PM
uOpt

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146397

?
10-18-2005, 06:31 PM
Vapor

Nope.
10-25-2005, 08:12 PM
charlie

Coming REAL soon
10-26-2005, 05:08 AM
gundamit

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbomb944

Given that you have the ballistix and the patriots Gundamit which is better?
Are the patriots much worse than the ballistix? Ever done max vs max with the same cpu speed?

I don't have the Ballistix, but from everthing I've read, I'd still have to say 3-3-3-8 1T 290-300HTT 1:1 beats 2.5-3-2-6 1T 265HTT 1:1 at the same CPU clock speed. I'd love to find out for sure but dropping 300 bones on the Crucial is too high a cover charge to see that show.

Bang for buck wise I think I would be looking to GSkill for the Infineons since Patriot prices are on the rise and these still look reasonable.
10-26-2005, 09:52 AM
biohead

gundamit those are the 2-3-2-5 gskills right?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...58#post1096258
11-09-2005, 01:35 AM
charlie

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The BEST 24-7 performance sticks I've ever tested... mmmmm.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=39665
11-09-2005, 02:09 AM
Freez

Very nice results.
11-09-2005, 08:36 AM
ChongL

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyelf

3-4-3-8 should be UCCC

urs should be an un-announced awesome modules :D

3-4-3-8 should be CE-5 no? Personally, I've never had luck running lower than 3-4-4-8 on UCCC :p
11-09-2005, 09:11 AM
babyelf

3-4-3-8 is UCCC..

mushkin special binned ;)

3-3-2-8 is the new one
11-09-2005, 10:25 AM
Wiker

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?ID=273
Are these memorymodules t he same as the one´s wich are tested in the thread?
11-09-2005, 10:29 AM
babyelf

yes these are the new ones that charlie tested

redline 2GB
11-09-2005, 06:27 PM
charlie

Good to see they're out finally!

I love these sticks, I'm sure LOTS of people will like them!!

C
11-10-2005, 01:27 PM
revenant

wow... I might have to turn in my corsairs for a pair of these... I am having a heck of a time getting the coirsairs over 260 stable... I thought I had 260 stable also but had a reboot last night during Q4... foo!! still tweaking the bios settings on my new sli-d (the mems are in the orange slots and it's bios 623-3).. but these Mushkies look really nice... I was hoping to get 273 on the fsb stable with 1:1 memory timer.. I don't think I'll get that unless I grab a more capable set of mems...

So @ 277 what was your vdimm set to?
11-12-2005, 01:25 AM
nop

babyelf, is this the one ?
http://www.nintek.com.au/x/Scripts/p...idproduct=3626
11-12-2005, 02:05 AM
Hound

lol, i put that in my next build...i didnt even realize the overclockability of these were that good...

i was aiming for somewhere around the 260 mark, seems i can aim a lil higher now :cool:

but from what i can tell, yeah, they would be the sticks that charlie has
11-12-2005, 06:41 PM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hound

lol, i put that in my next build...i didnt even realize the overclockability of these were that good...

i was aiming for somewhere around the 260 mark, seems i can aim a lil higher now :cool:

but from what i can tell, yeah, they would be the sticks that charlie has

260 is a nice spot witht hese sticks, you may be able to run 2.5-3-2...

C
11-12-2005, 06:56 PM
Hound

260 just...isnt as good as 280 :P:

btw i found out that the IC's are infineon CE-6 for anybody who hasnt already found out
11-12-2005, 07:04 PM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hound

260 just...isnt as good as 280 :P:

btw i found out that the IC's are infineon CE-6 for anybody who hasnt already found out

But 260 is 2.5-3-2... 280 is.... NOT.

C
11-14-2005, 04:39 AM
babyelf

Quote:

Originally Posted by nop

babyelf, is this the one ?
http://www.nintek.com.au/x/Scripts/p...idproduct=3626

sorry just saw this msg of urs..

yes that's the one.. redline 4000 2gb kit
11-14-2005, 04:49 AM
nop

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyelf

sorry just saw this msg of urs..

yes that's the one.. redline 4000 2gb kit

Thanks babyelf :)
11-14-2005, 02:25 PM
sin0822

waity 4 days, or goto mushkin.com and buy it for 331
11-15-2005, 04:08 PM
nugzo

i just ordered my 2gb kit overnight. will post results. i have ballistix runnin at 260 24-7 and have maxed 'em out at 290ish. Since i run my 3700 @ 260*11 24-7 i'm thinking the tighter mushkin timings will be nice.
11-16-2005, 12:36 AM
Bar81

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzo

i just ordered my 2gb kit overnight.

Same here :) Too bad I won't be back in Cali until next week to enjoy the hotness but that's life :D
11-16-2005, 12:56 PM
Sume4

Too bad we dont have Mushkin Redline 4000 2Gb sets at any retailer here in Europe. :(
11-16-2005, 01:28 PM
Xenom0rph

Yeah man, there are many products that aren't sold here in Europe, or just the price is insane. And if we buy from out of Europe we expend a lot in shipping fees =/
11-16-2005, 01:36 PM
charlie

UPDATE:

After tweaking timings I've discovered more mHz out of the MUSHKIN XP4000 2gb stuff... the timings take a bit of "getting used to" but they are really nice sticks.

C
11-16-2005, 02:11 PM
Duonger

hey charlie

how much more did u get out of it. heck, i havent even gotten a set to play with.

Duonger
11-16-2005, 02:12 PM
Duonger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sume4

Too bad we dont have Mushkin Redline 4000 2Gb sets at any retailer here in Europe. :(

that is what im working on right now to get more resellers in EU to stock these.

Duonger
11-16-2005, 03:13 PM
nugzo

255 fsb 2.5-3-2-8 memtest 0 errors after 1 hour, prime95 stable for 2 hours.
just recieved these earlier today. So far i am extremely pleased. I dont feel bad for selling my ballistix now. I wanted memory where i could get some feedback from company reps. Great job Mushkin! Charlie can you post some A64 Tweaker shots? What bios are you using now? I held #1 spot on 2GB OC database for the longest time, lets see if we can get these RedLines to teh top!!
11-16-2005, 03:35 PM
JCGhz

Quote:

Originally Posted by sin0822

waity 4 days, or goto mushkin.com and buy it for 331

Wait 4 days for what? I want to know as im about to order:)

Oh and do these run cooler than ballistix?
11-16-2005, 04:48 PM
Blue078

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCGhz

Wait 4 days for what? I want to know as im about to order:)

Oh and do these run cooler than ballistix?

I "think" I read in this thread that they'll be on sale at places like New Egg on the 18 of this month.
11-16-2005, 05:07 PM
JCGhz

I just hope they run cooler.. hate using active cooling on my ballistix.. :banana::banana::banana::banana: gets hot!!!
11-16-2005, 05:32 PM
sin0822

yeahthe 18th is the official retailer date, charlie im with you, ill try to take the intel top.
11-17-2005, 04:41 AM
JNav89GT

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCGhz

I just hope they run cooler.. hate using active cooling on my ballistix.. :banana::banana::banana::banana: gets hot!!!

these do run cooler than Micron IC's. I can't tell you how much though as I have fans over my ram in all my machines. Maybe Charlie can chime in here.
11-17-2005, 04:43 AM
JNav89GT

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzo

255 fsb 2.5-3-2-8 memtest 0 errors after 1 hour, prime95 stable for 2 hours.
just recieved these earlier today. So far i am extremely pleased. I dont feel bad for selling my ballistix now. I wanted memory where i could get some feedback from company reps. Great job Mushkin! Charlie can you post some A64 Tweaker shots? What bios are you using now? I held #1 spot on 2GB OC database for the longest time, lets see if we can get these RedLines to teh top!!

I'm not Charlie but here's a link to my thread on this mem, if you wanna see my shots ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=77875
11-17-2005, 10:35 AM
btomasie

Quote:

UPDATE:

After tweaking timings I've discovered more mHz out of the MUSHKIN XP4000 2gb stuff... the timings take a bit of "getting used to" but they are really nice sticks.

C

Charlie, can you let us all know how much more you were able to squeeze out of these, and what BIOS you are using. A64 Tweaker screenshots would be awesome of you too! :D

Thanks,
Brian
11-17-2005, 10:43 AM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by btomasie

Charlie, can you let us all know how much more you were able to squeeze out of these, and what BIOS you are using. A64 Tweaker screenshots would be awesome of you too! :D

Thanks,
Brian

No problem, I'll put some up tonight. My new Vapo/Opty/2gB XP4000 rig runs soooo nice, it's not even funny :D I play BF2 non-stop @ 3260mHz, DDR544... the sticks can run faster, but my CPU tops out there... instant loading BF2 maps :D
I'm usually the first player to appear on a map at the start of a game :D I beat some players by 5-10 seconds :D
I'll NEVER go back to gaming with 1gB... I still like to bench 3D with 1gB, but my REDLINE XP4000 2-2-2 sticks are dead... so I'm kinda' hamstrung for 3D competitive benching.

C
11-17-2005, 02:12 PM
JCGhz

Well, I couldnt wait.. i just ordered them for overnight delivery. Im gonna get rid of my ballistix(run too hot) if they do for me what they did for charlie :) Will post tomorrow after some testing.
11-17-2005, 03:51 PM
ripken204

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=140762
this it? is so ill prolly be ordering them tonight
11-17-2005, 04:08 PM
racinjimy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripken204

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=140762
this it? is so ill prolly be ordering them tonight

NO they are not
11-17-2005, 04:41 PM
geto

I have my set running at 260x10@1.4 voltages. Night and day compared to my other set.
11-17-2005, 05:01 PM
ExtraPickles

New Mushkins are rockin for me at 280 1T 1:1 2.8v at 3-3-2-8. Seems to be some headroom left also, will test higher when prime is done.

-pickles
11-17-2005, 05:28 PM
JCGhz

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExtraPickles

New Mushkins are rockin for me at 280 1T 1:1 2.8v at 3-3-2-8. Seems to be some headroom left also, will test higher when prime is done.

-pickles

Music to my ears :clap:
11-17-2005, 05:41 PM
sin0822

1 day!!!! charlie i play like that too at 4.8ghz
11-17-2005, 07:20 PM
FlyBoyGeo

Man these look great, I need to get rid of my g.skills.

Anyone post A64Tweaker pics?
11-17-2005, 10:46 PM
nugzo

First Run

My Comfortable 24/7 settings are 255*11 for 2800mhz. That's same speed as fx 57. These redlines are beating my ballistix at those settings. Rember this is first run, i havent tried any higher. Take a look :)

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8604/redline14tm.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1431/redline26gg.jpg
11-18-2005, 06:26 AM
bigjohns97

Thanks for the link guys, i just sold me ocz 3200 el plat 2x1gb sticks to try out these new 3.3.2.7 sticks but OCZ was all out. Good thing mushkin is making some and they have them in stock. Should be here sometime next week and i will let you guys know how they fare on my new opty 170 0536.
11-18-2005, 08:58 AM
JCGhz

nice tweaking nugz... thats what im aiming for:)
11-18-2005, 09:33 AM
Ub3r-L33ch

Are these for sale anywhere yet?
11-18-2005, 09:37 AM
Vapor

www.mushkin.com
11-18-2005, 10:16 AM
Bar81

Can't wait. My sticks came in yesterday but I don't get back to Cali until Monday. Will be interesting to see what these bad boys can do at 2.7v (max of my ASRock)
11-18-2005, 10:40 AM
Duonger

International guys are getting shipments Monday. we juust shipped 200kits to UK, Belgium, Canada, Australia.

Duonger
11-18-2005, 04:30 PM
racinjimy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

International guys are getting shipments Monday. we juust shipped 200kits to UK, Belgium, Canada, Australia.

Duonger

how about retail..........................
11-18-2005, 05:13 PM
JCGhz

Just got mine.. bout to throw them in my box. Im hoping nugz will be a nice guy and help me out with bios settings:)
11-18-2005, 09:16 PM
JCGhz

I can only get it up to 2.5-3-2-7 @240fsb in the yellow slots... cant get them to fit in orange slots till my new HSF gets here. But @260fsb which is my 24/7 target it does 3-3-2-7 2.7v memtest and prime stable. I have alot to learn about tweaking cause i was benching a lil better with my ballistix at same fsb. My main reason for purchasing the ram was to get away from the heat of my ballistix.. mushkin's run cool enough to get rid of the fan i had on my ballistix.

I wonder if the orange slots really do make a difference. Nugzo what bios you using?
11-18-2005, 11:03 PM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCGhz

I can only get it up to 2.5-3-2-7 @240fsb in the yellow slots... cant get them to fit in orange slots till my new HSF gets here. But @260fsb which is my 24/7 target it does 3-3-2-7 2.7v memtest and prime stable. I have alot to learn about tweaking cause i was benching a lil better with my ballistix at same fsb. My main reason for purchasing the ram was to get away from the heat of my ballistix.. mushkin's run cool enough to get rid of the fan i had on my ballistix.

I wonder if the orange slots really do make a difference. Nugzo what bios you using?

Show an A64 Tweaker shot, your timings might be holding you back a bit!

C
11-18-2005, 11:47 PM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCGhz

Just got mine.. bout to throw them in my box. Im hoping nugz will be a nice guy and help me out with bios settings:)

Sure i will help.. using 623-3 i think.

Charlie what bios do you suggest? and what versions.. the -1, -2, -3?
11-19-2005, 12:01 AM
nugzo

I cant update my results for a few days to a week as i fried my 3700 sandy at work today. i took it out of my rig to test a suspected DOA 3800 x2, when i put my 3700 back in i got the 3 beeps like the cold boot or memory issue beeps. tried 2 other cpu's in on my board and they worked fine. put my 3700 on known good boards and wouldnt post. DAMN luck of mine. I think imma get an opteron 170 to replace it. I also orderd the DFI Expert board today. I hope It'll pair up nice with the Mushkin Redline 2GB Kit. Charlie do you have the DFI Expert board yet? If so can you post some A64 Tweaker shots please?
11-20-2005, 02:52 PM
ripken204

where can i buy these sticks besides from the mushkin site?
11-20-2005, 04:03 PM
Duonger

Here are the new sku's at Newegg,
991492: 20-146-023
991493: 20-146-034

They should be up sometime this week.

Duonger
11-20-2005, 04:08 PM
charlie

yup 623-3... working best for me :D

C
11-20-2005, 04:23 PM
ripken204

Duonger-do u have a date that you could guess? b/c im ordering parts for my comp tonight so that ill have the stuff to play with throughout the holiday, otherwise i wont have any time. btw, do you know if ups/fedex will ship on the holidays?
11-20-2005, 04:51 PM
Duonger

i dont know how soon newegg will set it up. we have sent them modules for them to take pics and get it up on their site already. you can always get it at our website. fedex and ups are not working on thanksgiving day but they are working the day after.

Duonger
11-20-2005, 05:09 PM
ripken204

k, thx. i emailed newegg on thursday about it and have had no response yet...
but im definetly looking forward to getting them
11-20-2005, 05:46 PM
nugzo

Mushkin site has excellent shipping and packaging. Why wait for newegg?

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?ID=273
11-20-2005, 06:11 PM
ripken204

to save some money, plus i have a preferred account at newegg so i have free shipping and no payments for 6 months

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