Aurora : 4 stages cascade - my last french project

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10-12-2005, 09:12 AM
zytrahus

Aurora : 4 stages cascade - my last french project

Hi, I don't know if somebody had already posted it here, so :
Some pictures of my project that I couldn't finish cause my departure for the US for a job opportunity.

The complete story Here : http://www.cooling-masters.com/forum...showtopic=2773

I hope starting a new one here asap :p

http://www.cooling-masters.com/temp/aurora_final.jpg

http://www.cooling-masters.com/temp/aurora_internal.jpg

http://www.cooling-masters.com/temp/extraurora2.jpg

The complete story Here : http://www.cooling-masters.com/forum...showtopic=2773
10-12-2005, 09:22 AM
dotted

My god, I'm speechless :o
10-12-2005, 09:25 AM
GOESA

Nice work there !
10-12-2005, 09:26 AM
jinu117

Whoa.... I would be afraid to operate that until I get trained :P Nice!!!
10-12-2005, 09:31 AM
Bloody_Sorcerer

i like the masked off CPU evap... that or you're using a white cloud full of smilies as an evap...
I take it it'll be for immersion, based on the tub?
those compressors look freaking huge...
10-12-2005, 09:40 AM
zytrahus

I will post the evap in the article which will be probably released... one day :D (working here makes me very busy... that changes ! :D )
10-12-2005, 09:44 AM
the_new_guy

amazing!!
:yappie:
10-12-2005, 09:51 AM
piotres

OMG :slobber: :slobber: please help me find my jaw :slobber: :woot: :woot:

Quality of French cascades seems be AWSOME :cool: First Tyrou's X3 ...now that :slobber:

Beautiful HXes' polish :p:

One thing is strange for me ...regular Cu pipe for evaps ..no flex hose ?

I see a handvalve before the GPUs' evaps - do you want to "turn off" a GPU evaps sometimes ?

And you have a CPEVs on each stage ...really interesting project ... :toast:

What compressors are inside ?

What gases are you planing to use ?

Regards
Peter
10-12-2005, 10:07 AM
Kasparz

OMG, so powafull, so beautiful, so cooolddddd...
10kW OMG i'm speechless too.....
10-12-2005, 10:10 AM
zytrahus

Tyrou's x3 just came after that ;)
10-12-2005, 10:11 AM
Tyrou

:bows:
10-12-2005, 10:15 AM
zytrahus

what I wanted to use was : R404 ; R1150 ; R50 ; Argon or Air or Azote in the last stage.

The compressors are 4.5HP ; 3HP ; 3HP ; 1.5HP
10-12-2005, 10:17 AM
Tyrou

hey, that's facts you didn't even tell on Cooling-Masters :slapass:

that's huge :slobber:
10-12-2005, 10:18 AM
zytrahus

Really ? [:meganne]
10-12-2005, 10:20 AM
Tyrou

http://rulzofpunk.free.fr/images/orly_yarly.jpg
10-12-2005, 11:45 AM
Marvin

MY GOD, i dont have words to express myself :eek: :clap:
10-12-2005, 12:21 PM
::EVOLUTiON::

just amazing http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...milies/bow.gif
10-12-2005, 12:44 PM
Cr@sh_D1n3r

Awesome work man!

Envoie moi le ici jvais te le terminer ;) lol! Shipping costs would be insane :p:
10-12-2005, 12:48 PM
zytrahus

boat shipping is not so expensive... I thought about it during a small while, but compressors are 220/50 and I don't have a lot of storage here :D
10-12-2005, 02:36 PM
Tyrou

boat shipping is quite cheap, considering how heavy it must me

but finding a 115/230V transformer, rated for 10+KVA will be harder, and way more expensive :(
10-12-2005, 02:40 PM
star882

In the US, most houses do have 240v power.
10-12-2005, 04:22 PM
boblemagnifique

:toast: One Day :woot:
10-12-2005, 04:31 PM
{PMS}fishy

Quote:

Originally Posted by star882

In the US, most houses do have 240v power.

They use 50hz 230 over there. We use 60hz 240v in the States.

Its not quite the same.
10-12-2005, 04:40 PM
gkiing

Quote:

Originally Posted by {PMS}fishy

They use 50hz 230 over there. We use 60hz 240v in the States.

Its not quite the same.

well stuff rated for 115v 60hz works on 120v 50hz (australia, a few other places) so the 230/240 50/60 probably would too. The compressors would just operate at different rpms than on 50hz
10-12-2005, 05:14 PM
Cr@sh_D1n3r

Ya that's probably right. But still...gimme!! lol. How much did you bought theses compressors? Better use some heavy duty solid copper leads to run theses :p:
10-12-2005, 07:48 PM
kayl

Zytrahus that was a crazy project.
that will be coldest project yet for phase change pc action for shore

I remember your thread awhile back asking questions about this build before starting.
I like the layout looks very neat. And the compressor sizing looks sufficient for sure to pump all that refrigerant. As ya know ya gonna need a lot of methane and argon in those finial stages to handle load.

Cant wait to see ya start up the project again in the usa.
What job have you got now in the use/ what was last profession
10-12-2005, 07:52 PM
zabomb4163

I'm loving the cleaness. good job.
10-12-2005, 08:55 PM
RussC

Oh F@#king MY.......Im speechless. I can't wait to see somthing like that fire up. 230V @ 12hp, thats a calculated 8800W. So a conservative estimate is 40amp service. No normal house service in the US will handle that. You would have to go to your pole service at the junction box and wire a special service for that on a normal 100amp home service, then hope the pole wiring is up to snuff...????

RussC
10-13-2005, 05:01 AM
LowRun

Too bad you ran out of time, i'd be curious to see what this beast would do. No vacations in you new job?
10-13-2005, 05:34 AM
{PMS}fishy

Quote:

Originally Posted by gkiing

well stuff rated for 115v 60hz works on 120v 50hz (australia, a few other places) so the 230/240 50/60 probably would too. The compressors would just operate at different rpms than on 50hz

I never said it didn't work. I was just stating that its not the same power.
10-13-2005, 08:48 AM
Cr@sh_D1n3r

No one ever said you said that :p:
10-13-2005, 09:07 AM
the_new_guy

where in the US?
10-13-2005, 09:11 AM
charlie

:slobber:

C
10-13-2005, 09:20 AM
BrokenWall

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

:slobber:

C

Sorry i head to quote that!
10-13-2005, 09:24 AM
n00b 0f l337

Why not flex line?
10-13-2005, 10:35 AM
wambas

Impressive...
10-13-2005, 10:47 AM
kamongear

Absolutely stunning..
10-13-2005, 11:50 AM
Dementor

Imagine the day that -110 cascades will be the regular inthing for overclockers. Just the same way right now water cooling as single stages are, thats when it starts getting really interesting. Advancements in technology = better cooling :)
10-13-2005, 12:00 PM
Master_G

Only one word for that.
Crumbs.

G
10-14-2005, 06:42 AM
Fast

good job,signed;)
10-14-2005, 06:43 AM
Fast

good job,signed;) :clap:
10-14-2005, 07:28 AM
chilly1

Homes with an electric range will have a 50 A 220V 60 hz circuit right in the kitchen.. That should do it...

R50 and Argon are a beast to condense, I have a pile of compressors to attest to that.
Getting an intermediate refrigerant with a little capacity, using R50 means that you will need 5 times the flow rate for teh csame capacity as R507 so the last stage compressor will need ot be 3 to 4 times the displacment as the previous stage for it to be effecient. The rotary might do it though.. Nice job can't wait to see teh results.
10-14-2005, 11:04 AM
berkut

you will require R14 to condense R50

to insulate the hx'es and not to have large heat loads you need vacuum insulation

im alrady after all the maths... the only thing wich stopped my 5 stage, -180C cascade was the lack of R1150 and R14
10-14-2005, 12:00 PM
Sneil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dementor

Imagine the day that -110 cascades will be the regular inthing for overclockers. Just the same way right now water cooling as single stages are, thats when it starts getting really interesting. Advancements in technology = better cooling :)

well by the time this ever would come around extreme cooling will be obsolete. The way technology is going now all these systmes won't be needed to give higher performance, in gaming anyway.we wouldn't notice the difference wether our Unreal 5 engine is at 150fps or 200fps. overclocking will be finished bwuhahahaha :hehe:
this is my just prophetic look into the future anyway :p: we'll be lookin back sayn to our gradchildren, when i was your age kiddo i had a 100lb machine cool'n my cpu down to -100c!!

EDIT, on the othere hand maybe these will be standard with all future vid cards (ati x40000xts/nvidea10000ultras)i n order to play games on say unreal 5 :confused:
10-14-2005, 12:32 PM
jinu117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneil

well by the time this ever would come around extreme cooling will be obsolete. The way technology is going now all these systmes won't be needed to give higher performance, in gaming anyway.we wouldn't notice the difference wether our Unreal 5 engine is at 150fps or 200fps. overclocking will be finished bwuhahahaha :hehe:
this is my just prophetic look into the future anyway :p: we'll be lookin back sayn to our gradchildren, when i was your age kiddo i had a 100lb machine cool'n my cpu down to -100c!!

EDIT, on the othere hand maybe these will be standard with all future vid cards (ati x40000xts/nvidea10000ultras)i n order to play games on say unreal 5 :confused:

Is such a case with cars? Lot of high performance cars now a day would be what was called super modified cars back than. It doesn't stop people from modifiying their cars. It has never been a need issue on overclocking really, it always was want.
10-14-2005, 01:20 PM
Sneil

yea but there is still a large margin for upping performance in cars. the offordable average car is constantly improving with time and maybe 20 years we'll have an affordable car that performs like todays farrari's. Is there a cap for how much a car can advance? i don't know maybe they'll soon be able to fly and then there will be a whole new standard for performance. This analogy doesnt make my point at all. im saying were gonna reach that performance cap for cpu/gpu's in say 10-20 years(im saying for sure by 10 but lets just say 10-20), making these coolers obsolete. whats next, virtual reality? still makes thes things obsolete. ya get it? ;) i say we'll be looking back on these contraptions in the near/not so near future saying "those were the days, -100c coolers lol." you'll see. as for now tho, this is the coolest hobby ive ever had! (pun not intended) :toast:
10-14-2005, 01:59 PM
Bloody_Sorcerer

theres no margin for running systems so ludicrously overclocked nowadays anyways... you won't notice the difference between 75 and 100 FPS in HL2 anyways. It's allllll about the e-penis.
What WILL make all this obsolete is extremely efficient transistor technologies or non-electrical transistors, either of which could drastically lower or eliminate heatdumps from CPUs.
Other than that... CPU speed will always be increasing. I bet in 1995 people thought their stuff was blazingly fast and anything faster was just silly... well, that was 10 years ago, and that stuff is like a dinosaur.
10-14-2005, 02:16 PM
Sneil

well im asuming these extreme cooling solutions are applied almost purely for gaming right? which is to get higher fps which is to give better playable graphics. im talking we get "graphics" from future technology that cant get any better. that look so real you cant get them any more "real." whats the point of a faster rig then? do we not see the advancing graphic era comming to an end? i think so. the point of pretty graphics are to give us a beter life-like experience right, well when these graphics become so good that they don't look any different from life itself, why by a faster card that will give you the exact same looking graphics? why supercool your computer? huh? huh? :stick:

look at what graphix were like 15 years ago. remember pong? how about comparing that to hl2 etc. now lets look 15 years from now and say hl2 is our pong, what will those present yr2020 graphix be like if hl2 is ugly a$$ pong?

EDIT: anyways im getting off topic from the actual thread, sorry about that. that 4stager is the most beautiful thing ive ever seen, i only dream of building something like that, let alone a "normal" cascade...
10-14-2005, 02:35 PM
jinu117

Sneil, what I've seen over last 24 years is that, you don't try to predcit impending doom of need for performance. Gaming isn't needed. It's what is wanted. You don't need great graphics of current games. You would be fine with 20 years ago graphics if you can enjoy it. I will repeat it. It is not need that is driving the industry now. It is the want. You will want better graphics, better sound, better AI, as time goes on. (just from perspective of gaming) How much time does it take to render those special effect on linked server system now a day? or PiXar films? Even that might not be appealing in 5 years and arcane to our view by than. I've gone through about 7 times of very popular columists declaring doom of CPU speed or no more need for speed by now. I didn't see it happening, nor do I see more happening.
Maybe we will eventually hit this nervana like stage where we aren't wasting any energy in processor. However, we haven't hit anything radically different than transistor yet. Even nano technolgy they talk about is still in essence transistor based.
10-14-2005, 02:38 PM
zytrahus

thanks all ;)

Kayl > I just got an engineer work (cooling/computers...). Before I was just a student :d
Chilly1 > I hoped that would be enough, but I couldn't test it. But I hope one day I could try... at least. ;)
berkut > Yeah, getting R1150 in europe is so a such hard thing :d . About insultating HX, I really don't believe using vaccum is necessary : H2O vapor condensing don't happen anymore because there is no air renew inside. After that the only heat loss here is about the exchange between the HX and the air (passive convection here), air temperature is so going dowm for a few while and after (even before...) that, the loss are very very small. I really think this loss is very smaller than what ever loss using something to insulate that HX. But, you're right for sure using vaccum would reduce that loss again.
10-14-2005, 04:01 PM
chilly1

Quote:

Originally Posted by zytrahus

thanks all ;)

Kayl > I just got an engineer work (cooling/computers...). Before I was just a student :d
Chilly1 > I hoped that would be enough, but I couldn't test it. But I hope one day I could try... at least. ;)
berkut > Yeah, getting R1150 in europe is so a such hard thing :d . About insultating HX, I really don't believe using vaccum is necessary : H2O vapor condensing don't happen anymore because there is no air renew inside. After that the only heat loss here is about the exchange between the HX and the air (passive convection here), air temperature is so going dowm for a few while and after (even before...) that, the loss are very very small. I really think this loss is very smaller than what ever loss using something to insulate that HX. But, you're right for sure using vaccum would reduce that loss again.

Well make a trip to Vegas while you are here and we will break some hardware over a few beers!
10-14-2005, 09:31 PM
RussC

Really, my home was built in '56, and theres no 50A service for anything. The largest breaker in my box is 20A for a 220V dryer. The oven is a 20A 110V breaker. My pole service is 2-50A 220V inputs. Thats feed to the main breaker box for the entire house.

Now Im not up on wiring code, but your saying newer homes have 220V wired on 50A breakers for an oven :eek: Why does an oven need 10KW :confused:

Hey, I just looked, and your right, the NEC for a range is 8K-12KW. Guess that didn't apply in '56. But, will builders build to the high side or low side of that range? And I guess theres a smaller load you can run on a circuit continuous, like 80% IIRC. Anyway, that would still put it in a ify range for me.

RussC

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilly1

Homes with an electric range will have a 50 A 220V 60 hz circuit right in the kitchen.. That should do it...
10-15-2005, 03:50 PM
Learn

Great work, again
JP :D
12-05-2005, 02:58 PM
PeGGaaSuSS

File out (in French) :

http://www.cooling-masters.com/image.../banaurora.jpg

http://www.cooling-masters.com/articles-34-0.html

:toast: :woot: :banana:
12-05-2005, 03:26 PM
zabomb4163

is the evap insulated?
12-05-2005, 03:39 PM
gclg2000

i dunno about all that. Its built nicely together and all.

Cool video of the boiling inside the evap though.
12-05-2005, 04:58 PM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by zabomb4163

is the evap insulated?

No, it wasn't ment to be insulated, the rig was to be run in a sealed box to prevent condensation.
12-05-2005, 06:15 PM
zabomb4163

Quote:

Originally Posted by LowRun

No, it wasn't ment to be insulated, the rig was to be run in a sealed box to prevent condensation.

the evap could be a good deal colder if it was actuallly insulated.

what gas is in the final stage
12-06-2005, 01:01 AM
Tyrou

the idea was to use N2 or Air in the last stage ;)
12-06-2005, 01:23 AM
zabomb4163

what is the current last stage gas...
12-06-2005, 02:10 AM
Tyrou

R22 :(
12-06-2005, 05:28 AM
kayl

Quote:

Originally Posted by gclg2000

i dunno about all that. Its built nicely together and all.

Cool video of the boiling inside the evap though.

gclg2000 can i have a link to that video, i really want to see refrigerant boil:slobber:
thats some evaporator there hey:toast:
12-06-2005, 05:40 AM
gclg2000

it was on one of the video pages in the thread he posted.

http://www.tyrou.net/Upload/aurora.wmv
12-06-2005, 06:14 AM
Master_G

Project seemed to peter out a bit, most of the temps quoted in the article were "possible" temps, the vid said -1XXC CPU and SLI possible but i havent seen much evidence of it, is that it for this project?

G
12-06-2005, 06:24 AM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master_G

Project seemed to peter out a bit, most of the temps quoted in the article were "possible" temps, the vid said -1XXC CPU and SLI possible but i havent seen much evidence of it, is that it for this project?

G

Yes that's it, Zythrahus started it in France but had to move to the USA for a job opportunity before he could get his hands on the third stage gas. Seems there are no vacations in USA :p:
12-06-2005, 12:16 PM
godmod

i'd really like to see it finished with air or n2 in the final stage. i never saw such a huge cooling thing before...

^^ but ... i like it http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...ons/sabber.gif
12-06-2005, 03:24 PM
Master_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by LowRun

Yes that's it, Zythrahus started it in France but had to move to the USA for a job opportunity before he could get his hands on the third stage gas. Seems there are no vacations in USA :p:

To quote pulp fiction, "That's a damn shame."

G

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