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R520 9,444 Point VS GTX 8,042 Point
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:slobber: that just makes me want one even more
very nice oc, have to see what 2 cards in crossfire score
nice :clap:
Now has two X1800XT, but does not have run crossfireQuote:
Originally Posted by forey
Does your driver version support voltage adjustment for the card?
Any hope for some WC results? :cool:
edit: Could you also post pic of the core(s)? THanks.
How was this OC'd? CCC or ATi internal proggy?
http://www.digital-info.net/Editoria...Review/010.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by LexDiamonds
stock cooling, 9444marks :slobber:
That was actually stock clocks on the 3.06GHz FX!! Stock cooling also acheived 10195 ;)
Wow those cards look realy nice:O.. Can somebody plz give me some prices .. Like what every model of the X1xxx serie will cost?
Regards
GTX gets 10300 at 625/1500 and 3.06GHz FX....or there abouts without LOD tweaking.
XT gets 9444 with the same clocks....so 850 points difference. But one is HEAVILY OC'd while the other is at stock clocks ;)
If nothing else, the XT is a great benchmarking card! :woot:
I'm impressed given the stock cooler and no indication of whether volts were overstock or not. Should see some impressive increases with some homebrew air cooling. :)
True that....I hope we can see them used together sometime soon, it'd be an ORB killer (well, for single card of course...I REALLY doubt the X1800XT's ability to get 18k on 05 in single card mode ;)).
trakslacker....with the software vmodding it really looks like this will be an amazing card for moderate 'special' cooling like homebrew air and wawa :banana:
wow... nice numbers... has anyone slapped a water block on it yet? Also - it looks like it's got a four hole patern which looks like the nvidia 6800/7800 four hole patern for the gpu (only) block.. is it the same? Or is it a new or old ATi patern?
its been confirmed that any WBs for the 7800's will fit the XT as well. They use the same hole config.Quote:
Originally Posted by revenant
Yeah, thank god they do too....no need to leak test or get new mountings or anything for those of us that already have it :banana:
I wonder if the nV Silencers for the 6800/7800s fit this (are they even compatible between each other?) and how the stock cooler competes with them.
Looks good sx, thanks for the results you lucky guy :toast:
Fine then you can also disable 4 of the GTX's pipes, what do you think might happen then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Troman
I'd say that the default ATI cooler is better than nvsilencer..actually the ATI cooler is not bad at all:Quote:
I wonder if the nV Silencers for the 6800/7800s fit this (are they even compatible between each other?) and how the stock cooler competes with them.
http://www.akiba-pc.com/r520/defaultcooler.jpg
http://www.akiba-pc.com/r520/defaultcooler2.jpg
http://www.akiba-pc.com/r520/defaultcooler3.jpg
I'm getting around 740/1680 clocks (artifact free for 3DMark05) with the default cooler (GPU +0.15V above default, fan running at full speed).
Already posted on the other thread but just in case someone missed em =)
my results so far w/ the Zalman CNPS-7000CU on GPU:
3DMark05 => 10707 (3GHz, 759/1738)
http://www.akiba-pc.com/r520/r520_aircooled_rig.jpg
Wow....good pics of the cooler Macci....it's pretty beastly for a stock cooler (my GTX's cooler was a disappointment frankly). Looks like you only gained 19MHz going to the chopped 7000CU....must be good!
Like to see you run these in CF macci, hope your gettin/have another card to play around with :D
I don't think there are any fully functional X1800CFs out available, unfortunately. :(
Hmm, what about come November?
Hey macci, what do you think of current X850's in CF? Are they worth the time?
I'd bet they're available in Nov ;)
Look at his sig--that's how worthwhile the X850s in CF were to him. :D
I honestly want people to get only 49999 for fear of the 01 orb getting taken down at 50k :(
Never the less 01 numbers from this combo would be nice sxs!
50K single card is not gonna be easy Troman, if we new how well P5WD2 ran a highly clocked PCI-E card it might be easier to guess. FX-57 @ 3.8Ghz and 900/975 card might do it.
It's certainly feasible with this card ;)
Especially when we get limitless OCing software....and new drivers would help as well, I suppose.
You guys are forgetting that this card likely has more in it than 900/975....
Cant wait to see it happen, and to think this time last month alot of ppl here was saying how would ati come out with a card that couldnt even atleast keep up with the gtx now look :P
me wants one :slobber:
Nice results using the Zalman 7000CU air cooler.
I hope an 3rd party or the Winclk tool is out soon. :cool:
nice, now lets see some xfire scores! :slobber:
that because the dothan and a64 both clock about the same. actually, i think dothan may of had a higher max overclock then the a64/fx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
don't forget k|ngp|n.. the best singlecard 01 score with 3.5ghz dothan and 830/688 x850xtpe.. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8630026Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
last time he benched 3d at 3.9.. and add ln2-cooled 1800xt..
i'll bet on k|ngp|n to be the 1st singlecard 50k breaker :toast:
I'm gonna jump on caater's bandwagon here. :D
when macci already has the card in hand??
no...macci will do it for sure.
Hmmm, yeah you're right, Macci and Sampsa (can't forget about Sampsa!) both have the card for some extra time and will probably be the first to get 50k. I kinda forgot about their headstart :slap:
Not meant to be disrespectful, but it's not much of an overclock. When the core is 625 default, 680, is not as bigger clock as GTX's from 430, to 480+ that even card makers use.
And GTX memory is default 1200, mine runs 1400mhz fine, stock.
It's big because this card already surpasses the GTX....this is just giving itself some breathing room. Anyway, I agree, percentage wise (or even MHz wise), it's not as big as what the GTX can do, but this is only the beginning....;)
Nice scores
really nice clocks....... so much for all the talk of this card not being able to hang with the 7800GTX.
I want to see 1ghz gpu, rember the old days with the race to 1ghz between amd and intel
yeah but nvidia is definately not after extra mhz... right now the subjects are : how will the x1800s scale with future driver releases, and how will the g70 scale with 512Mb of ram...Quote:
Originally Posted by olfen
http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/efficiency/Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
At even clocks, with the gtx at 16 pipes, the GTX wins!
:woot:
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Originally Posted by caater
well unless there is a PCI-e 478 board out there that I am not aware of, X1800XT's and 3d01' lovin' dothan's are not going to get together any time soon.
apparently there isQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
i believe it is the Asus P4GPL, and also one other Asus one. But i think they are quite hard to find - there wasn't massive demand for them, i guess.
asus, shuttle...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
Other than as a means for comparing the architectures themselves -- a mostly theoretical question -- I don't see the point of "equalizing" the cards in terms of clock speed or pipelines. As interesting as it might be that the GTX is a more elegant and parallel design than the XT, the end result, in the form of FPS and benchmark scores, is what matters.
Comparo: An Athlon XP 3200 will beat the heck out of a P4C downclocked to 2.2GHz, but that doesn't mean the AXP is the better CPU.
-aMp-
The board you mentioned also has a "little brother" with some features apparently lacking, but is equipped with pcie. I just ordered one, its the P4GPL-X.Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
-k0nsl
ah yeah thts the "other asus one". They look like cool boards, but i thought they couldn't be found anymore.
that article, although very informative, fails to address the 24/16 configuration of the 7800GTX. (a stock 7800GTX doesnt have 24ROP.. it always has only 16ROP).Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
When it comes to pixel shader processing power, and overclocking of the X1800XT please bare in mind that they have different architecture. Although this ~60Mhz overclock seems like a lot, the "equivalent" for G70 (to increase fillrate by same amount) is only 40Mhz.
So, if you manage a 300Mhz of the R520 to about 900Mhz (625 to 925)... that would be comparable to a G70 running 200Mhz oc to about 600Mhz (430 to 630).. so, when some crazy ATI overclocker uses LN2 to get to 1000Mhz, an equivalent nVidia overclock would only need 666Mhz (yeah, I know.. running Doom3 with such a frequency is bound to evoke some new thrills and chills)
I'm currently posting from an ASUS mobo with pci-e and a Dothan @ 2.65Ghz on it...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
So they sure will get together XD
Jep ...there are two s478 boards with pcie.
Asus P4GPL-X (which im using)
Asus P4GD1
i realy wonder when those sweet x1800xts will arrive in germany :D
raiden
roflQuote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiden Zero
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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
i don't get the "elegant" argument... graphics cards are not elegant, crossfire isn't elegant and neither is SLI... discussing how "elegant" a solution is to me makes strictly no sense... we can see some good marketing work :stick:
it has nothing to do with being elegant. I didn't even mention SLI.. perhaps you are replying to someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnome
Regarding my previous post... Its much like P3 and Athlon. They were relatively close in terms of performance/Mhz. But, P4 widened the Mhz as well as the performance/Mhz gap (increase and decrease respectively). Ofcourse the performance of ATI pipelines is slightly different, and so are the the ratio of ROP and VS, but for pure pixel shader processing we can make the ESTIMATION of approximately 3:2 performance per Mhz for 7800GTX because it has 24 vs 16 pipelines. So obviously, as I already mentioned, you need less overclocking to get the same amount of PS performance.
However, notice how each would scale... The VS, ROP and PS would all rise in equal ratio on R520. But, on G70 (discounting the +40Mhz thingie.. not sure if they accounted for that in the article), they would diverge by a wider and wider gap.. the ratio is always approximately the same, but who would want *only* 666Mhz VS and ROP speed, compared to R520's 1000Mhz, even though the PS performance is about equal.
In the end, as always, things are more complicated than they seem, and such comparisons at equal Mhz just raise more questions.
My XFX 7800GTX 557/1430 All air stock 9389 not bad.. :toast: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2355/m055aa.jpg Link http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1304002 2k3 19713 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4314701
Jo what kind of cores do you have ? i have heared that the W14 ( Ref 4 ) where the cores with softground problems And those chips are on the XL boards but you have XT boards with W14 chips. The most XT boards have W15 chips ( Ref 5 ). I whant to buy a X1800 but i dont know if i should buy a XL or XT. I whant sky high clocks and not be limmited @ a max of 600 by the softground problems. I have seen a XL hit 705-704 @ XT stock voltages. But the question is will all XL do that good ? or was that a verry lucky board ?
865pe....stay on topic, we have threads you can put your OC and scores in :slapass:
They'll do that well if you can handle the heat....these things COOK at 550/1.05V and 625+/1.25Vish is A LOT hotter....the new revisions lower the heat and make XT speeds more attainable.
I hope ATI gets the x1800xt in the channel with force before nVidia gets the 90nm stepping with 1.2 ns GDDR3 cards into the pipeline. If they get those out, with the ability to get to 600 on the core and 1400 MHz of 512 MB memory at spec, it may hurt ATI a little too much for them to be a big player this round. ATI really needs to get it done this time, and by the end of November, no later. Or, nVidia may trump their release.
I don't think it will hit 600. ATi his whole chip is build on speed. The GTX is not. I don't think they wil be able to delifer high amounts of cores that run 600. I think more of 500 and 550 max.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyH20
But Any way ATi will need the R580 to get back on top.
Nice score there. This thread really make me want to upgrade to X1800XT
Definetly wait.. there is only limited amount of "old" w14 chips. Once they are used up, you will notice better OC from X1800XL on average. Ofcourse it will still depend on the quality of the core, and the pcb etc.. but at least you'll know you wont be limited for certain. The 700Mhz XL was very likely a new core (w15).Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Also interesting point about the voltage. The X1800XT probably have much higher voltage. How much I'm not sure. But, most reviews I see, have BIG difference in power/heat compared to the relative clock rates.
About 7800GTX... consider the simple fact that despite smaller 110nm vs 130nm 6800 its default clocks go from about 400 to 430.. (425/450 to 450/490 if you consider the OC editions that are selling). This indicates that architecturally 7800 hasn't changed much, and as others stated, is simply not made for high clocks (Athlon64 vs P4 prescott). You also have to consider that nVidia will be raising the bar from official 430Mhz reference (490!!). So, like before it will be "conservative" to allow for OC eddition. Best guess is something in the 500-525 range, with possible for OC editions at 550... however, it also very much depends on what special optimizations they use for their manufacturing process (low-k, SOI, stretched Si, sleep transistors, etc)
awesome! :p: what kind of temps does that card put out?Quote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
That's the reason why this topic exists. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by longsiew
But don't be disappointed when you end up with a pure benchmarking card that will sometimes even get asskicked by some X850XT or 6800U parts when it comes down to real gaming performance ... :p:
X1800 has real gaming performance, not sure what you mean. Games dont run? bad drivers? I been playing BF2 on the 7800GTX and switched to the X1800 and to be honest I am scoreing much better and I do not have the driver issues I had with other games. How can I score better? better average frame rate vs spike/dip in frame rate.
The TOW missle with TV guideance is so much better on Radeon.
I just hope you are not referring to wallhacks and other shader hacks on NVidia being easier to setup??
if they are nvidia gets my vote :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I am referring to official benchmarks like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...les_of_riddick
In 1280x1204 the X1800XT gets :slapass:ed by a 6800Ultra.
In 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF the X1800XT gets :banana:ed by a X850XT-PE.
Moreover, nobody can say, this game is NV-optimized since even the X850XT-PE can beat the X1800XT. This card is just a sucky underperformer. High 05 scores but no real world performance at all.
Another example here:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...e_of_empires_3
I realy love to get one of these X1800 XT 512 mb cards :D
I wonder if the new Asus P4RD1-MX based on the Xpress 200 chipset will work with Dothan . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiden Zero
Currently running a Dothan at 2.80Ghz on P4C800-E Deluxe board. Would be nice if I could grab an PCI-Express board and still use the Dothan. Or better yet, get a Yonah in 2006 :D
Very nice result ;-) go ahead
whats some of these gtx vs x1800 people are assuming is that performance based on clock speeds are linear.
Its actually a bit geometric at a rate of maybe 1.1x or so.
for instance, downclocking a x1800xt to GTX speeds and disabling 8 pipelines of the gtx the gtx wins in performance.
but if you overclocked both to 650gpu and the memory accordingly, I think you'll notice that the x1800 would actually perform better at higher clocks due to how its designed not to mention enhanced memory controller.
Although I'm not sure if the gtx @16pipes is even more geometric than the x1800 that requires tests.
Moral: you cna't really comapre the gtx and x1800 even if u do use the same pipelines... to determine which hardware is better.
If you are basing your overall view of two cards exclusively on Chronicles of Riddick (or any game for that matter, unless that is indeed the only one you play - EVER), then you will obviously have a biased view. However, it is sometimes good to look at similar games to get a general (but not definitive) guideline of upcoming game's performance. Ex.. games on Doom3 engine will presumably continue to run better on nVidia hardware.. sad considering ATI was supposedly trying to fix this issue since Quake3 days (1999).
Unoid: I hope you are not implying that doubling Mhz would more than double performance (-_- so wrong...). The article that made that comparison was just a general overview or architectures... and should not be treated as conclusive. They failed to account 16/24 nature of GTX vs 16/6 for XT, the +40Mhz clock domain of GTX, the different timings used for both cards, the different amount of memory on each card... and even effect of drivers which may be fooled to do stupid things because the ratio of various component's performance is altered.
That article doesnt really provide anything new... it just reaffirms what you see from the plethora of "reviews"/benchmarks out there - they are both very fast, and in same general league.
Maybe you haven't heard of the X1K MemoryMap Fix for OpenGL and AA. x1800XT performs faster than the 7800GTX in doom3 with AA enabled (this will be incorperated in the 5.11 catalysts).Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
I agree with the first part of your statement, its good to compare performance for similar games ie. F.E.A.R or Battlefield 2 :)
I have not heard of this admad where have you? Will this fix all OPENGL games starting from Catalyst 5.11 and above? Sounds cool to me.
Name is ahmad :slap: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Sampsa did a review of it: http://www.soneraplaza.fi/tietokonee...310025,00.html
Hexus did a nice review that includes chronicles of riddick as well:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3668
The best part is: this is only the beginning :)
Also I should note that this fix is only for the x1xxx cards. Previous gen cards got a slight boost in openGL performance with the 5.10 cats.
im sorry for the mixup ahmad. My bad.
Thanks for the links too, didn't hear about this till now. All I see are the X1800XT's being benched with this fix though I'm sure X1800XL users should see a boost as well I hope.
Think I can sell both my BFG 6800GT OCs and get one of these?
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Originally Posted by xxmartin
ATI's new driver will fix it's OGL performance, if it beats the 7800GTX then bye2 NV :D
x1800XLs will see a very worthy improvement in performance as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
wicked. All I am worried about is these so called defective cores with the softground issue. I want to know that getting an XL will hit XT speeds with a new cooler and a voltage jump.
Its already been covered. Someone asked ATI and they said no card they shipped out had any softground issues. No need to worry. Besides the softground issue limited clocks to 490MHz. X1800XLs come default at 500MHz core.
the softground issue also had chips randomly failing...Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
Well as long as there is no possibility of me getting them on my card I don't care anymore.
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Originally Posted by cantankerous
here buddy, its quake 4, but same thing basically.
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/quak...uake1600aa.gif
Yep, it's good to see ATi tweaking the x1k series for OGL and/or reworking the way they handle OGL period. That's long overdue.
And yes, I think the soft-ground issue has beaten to death. The XL's most likely shipping now were the ones with the softground issue, ie the first batch of R520's, but they have been fixed with a new layer of metal or summin', which alleviated the problem. I think that with the independant testing we've seen around here (Sampsa and Fugger) it's been shown the XL cores clock just as well when given the same voltage and cooling as an XT...and without, and this is for my homies at R3D,
RENDER ERROR
So have no fears buying an XL. They look pretty impressive to me for less than $400...If you are hip with giving it more voltage and more adaquete cooling. Sampsa's 705/705 with his XL with XT cooling and vgpu@xt and mem@stock voltage and Fugger's presumbabley topped out 776/1800 on water...I'm impressed. Pretty sure a GTX ain't touching that, especially not that easily.
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Originally Posted by turtle
ATI HAS to come out with a final driver release for x1k...
I was beyond XT voltages with my XL card and I pushed my memory very hard.
I did have a problem with phase change at first. the machine fired up but the video card was left off. The block was not grounded to the ring.
The waterblock ring is completed ground as well as the LN2 mount. I froze over too fast twice on LN2 and switched to the water to make sure card was ok after a couple pretty hard scrambles and tons of moisture on card (rained a bit that week).
I will try phase change again with a ground to the block.
The card scales so nicely as you go up in memory speed even with a much slower core. IMO they should have set the XL at 1200Mhz memory to better position with the GTX.
Checking out Q4 now, plays nice so far. I am in the nexus core.
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Originally Posted by macci
i was thinking about buying a silencer type HSF for my XL, should i instead get that zalman one, seeing how according to you its better even than the massive XT stock cooler? my XL will do 628 core at 1.225v and 1550 mem at stock.
oh and where are the ramsinks, did you leave them off and it still did 1738?
:slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:
bring in grayskull to see why they didn't, if 1200 memory postions it against 7800gtx, why didn't they !!! :confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Now that we know what killer oc the XL gets, I hope this 691/1628 isnt the max for the XT on the stock cooler. If so, that would make the XT weak, especially on the memory side.
i think fugger probably meant the 7800gt, as in reviews it doesn't often beat it, with higher mem clocks which it can easily, very very easily do then it might always beat the gt, or at least it will take a smaller hit with aa/af and probo beat it in most higher resolutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnome
also you do realise dude has the cpu zalman on his gpu not the ickle gpu zalman.
also the memory doesn't really get hot, i stuck on memsinks, don't think they are really doing anything mind but thought why not. though from the last pic there, it looks like he may have bent around or cut some of the fins from that sink to make it fit. not to sure.
How have you mounted the sink, default bracket?