http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2755&s=1
Looks pretty promising to me!
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Originally Posted by vrzone
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http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2755&s=1
Looks pretty promising to me!
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Originally Posted by vrzone
On DDR-400 (Toledo, 2x1MB, 90nm): 4800/2.4=2000 PR per Ghz
On DDR-667 (Windsor, 2x1MB, 90nm or 65nm?): 5000/2.667=1874 PR per Ghz
And what about DDR-800 or DDR-1066?
If there's anything at all to their PR system it does not look so good.
I like the looks of what's coming. :D
Especially since DDR2 is capable of some incredible timings at DDR667.
looking good AMD :) i mean 333fsb and 667mhz DDR is exactly what we've all been struggling to achieve with DDR1.
So imagine what a little o/cing will do to this platform? oh its all fun :D
/Ed
The only thing we need is motherboard support.
with the way DDR2 is going I would sure hope it is going to be 800 mhz
and dual core on all chips would be a nice touch.. But I heard it might be a couple more months after that...
well i like this but why 90nm???? if intel is chaning to 65nm this january they should move to the smaller process quickly too
Maybe because they don't need to. Might as well milk 90nm and refine 65nm until then, just like they did with the 130nm to 90nm transistion.
so you expect a jump from 90nm to 45nm?
They just spend lots of money on a 65nm fab in dresden, guess it will take a while before we see the results.
When did I say that? I said they would milk 90nm and continue to refine 65nm. When they NEED to switch, they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Don't expect good timings on DDR2 for at least another year. Current good-timings DDR2 is going away and there won't be anything new below 4-4-4 for a whole year, so M2 will launch right into a draught of good RAM.
erm /\ /\ /\
from corsair's siteQuote:
CM2X512A-5400UL XMS2-5400UL 512MB 3-3-2-8 240 DIMM Black XMS2
Yeah I like AMD's choice of 333 & 667...sound a perfect combo to keep intel just enough behind... how it will OC?? With DDR2 doing 1000MHz there are real good chances of OCing provided there are good boards to support it. Also hope dat AMD's new Fab keeps costs lower.
AMD is pulling way back from the value segments, I don't expect chip prices to fall regardless of manufacturing or yield efficiencies. AMD needs to make some big profit to pay down debt and reinvest in R&D as Intel is upping the ante in the coming years. Expect to pay an average of 5% more per chip for each tier... (so the high end chip will be 5% more than it was in adjusted dollars today)....this is barring any price war moves from Intel... Intel is happy to not rock the boat as long as AMD doesn't make any major market share gains, slashing prices hurts them too.
aja, he said that RAM is going away, which I have also heard.
DDR2 is capable of much more then cas 4-4-4
I have some DDR2 that literally costs less then $120 per gig, and can do cas 3-2-2-0 up to 350+ without much hassle, and with complete stability.
I have another set of DDR2 that I can get to cas 4-2-2-4 at 400 rather easily.
the day DDR2 comes to A64's, is gonna be a huge day in bandwidth.
A64's have been able to hit well over 400 HTT speeds for a long time, just been held back my DDR1... but even then, its been able to break the 10k barrier.
imagine what kinda benchmarks we will see, when some of the best overclockers, get thier hands on a good A64, and good board. ;)
So first generation m2 fx's will be single core? will this be an m2 version of the fx-59 like they did with s940-->s939 i wonder or will it be fx-61.
i thing UnG they will lower the prices a bit.... look the 3700 now very cheap and is a fine processor when they move down to 65nm we are going to see them @ the same price or maybe a little bit more expensive cuz is new technology but then they will get cheaper as always....
2Q06 ? :D
I guess I better start saving now ! lol
This is right now. 6-9 months from now I believe it will be very, very different. True, capacities are going through the roof (512 megs on one chip @ 90nm), but latencies are not because of die shrinkage and fabs that cannot properly operate at these sizes. Why do you think coldbug exsists? the fabs cant "see" what they're doing; most fabs today are only rated to do 150nm; in essence, they're being "overclocked" and the result is hurting us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
Doh I wanted m2 to come out sooner, I really need 2gb of ram and a faster cpu but I don't want to spend $1000 on 2gb of ddr1 and a cpu thats can only use ddr1.
Clocked at 2.67
I was expecting 3.0, oh well
I was hoping for M2 to run at 1Ghz and still out perform an FX-57 @ 4GHz.. and still can clock to 3.5Ghz... :D
I was hoping for it to stroke my ego....
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Originally Posted by Vapor
Your not good enough LOL
and I was hoping for it to suck my [censored]Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
seriously dude, don't you dream of the perfect overclocking chip?
Actually, I tend to dream about what is going to happen the next day.....life's kinda DejaVu everyday for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Back to the chip, it's still very impressive--dual cores can use the bandwidth, IMO.
Ego was a typo :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Do you thing it will come out with quad core options right out of the gate?
Ummmm, I suppose it should....no reason for it not to, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I think we will see prices going down sooner then later, AMD has had a major fan following becoz of this in first place. Secondly they will be having their second Fab rolling wafers soon. If Intel does not have a good chip on their hands I think we will see current scenario repeating. But if Intel have a good one then Amd has to offer prices just a bit lower then Intel's part to keep its chip selling well.
I don't think prices will go down....they don't need to lower prices.
You dream about computer parts? Whats wrong with you :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Its all about the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: Cat LOL
Well why dream about girls when you have a sexy one in the bed next to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Guys, guys.....just because you have to inflate them quite a bit just to become useful in bed doesn't mean they're real....sheesh :D
I very much doubt that. Just look at the size of the dual core dies, a quad core would be insanely huge and thus expensive. No quad cores before switching to 65 nm imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Yes and I can 100% confirm that for you. Micron has stopped production of the *entire* D9 series :shakes: The only decent stuff left makes 4-4-4-10 look like low-latencyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Now why's that? The same as with old BH-5 saga?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
me want... me want...
Me to, disapointing. Surely we all know mhz is king for A64's, X2's, FX's, and i suspect M2's as well. Is DDR-2 support really worth it, with other tinys optimizations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
I have no idea what your talking about dude...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody_Sorcerer
how did you go from saying cas latency of DDR2 is too slow, in which I pretty much said thats not true... now your talking about the cold bug of some CPU's... which has nothing to do with DDR2 latencies... :confused:
Bloody_Sorcerer: do you think that AMD 65nm's CPU won't have cold bug because of being made by proper factory?
How should we know?
No way to know without testing a few chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ref
lol is all I can say to you bloody.. lol.. that statment you made has no basis in fact..
There are several reasons for the cold bug, but that isnt one of them.. most of them have to do with the funy way the mem controller works...
I bet independent voltage control of the mem controller could likely help that out? maybe?
i think so vapor if there is a way to heat the mem controller a beat it should over ride the cold bug
No idea. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
Exactally. What he is refering to was a conversation I had with him discussing why 90nm yeilds were so poor. However that isnt going to be the case for too much longer as Dresden has been re-tooled if I remember rightQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
I was only expecting 2.6... If the 4800+ is sitting 2.4, why would there be a 600mhz leap for the 5000+ PLUS ddr2?... Generally, AMD only goes up 200mhz for each model increase, this time it's 270, which is a bit of a jump higher than normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
As for 3 ghz, wait for the FX-59. :woot:
im pissed that there dragging there feet so much on a dual core FX
can you even imagine how much heat it will put out...
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Originally Posted by IYP
i think the reason is that because mhz rules in games still, it would mess up thier pr scheme to have a dual core FX, maybe an FX-58 would be a proper name for a 2.8ghz dual core?
Fx2-57 ?
whatever they would call it, i think thats the main thing holding them back, not to mention that the x2 4800 is pretty unmatched right now, so why not wait until intel comes up with a competitor, and then bam, intel is in second once again.
if AMD came out with a dual core FX processor there regular FX would definatly take a hit in profits and be phased out IMO but then again i am just getting my feetwet with amd have been a big fan of Xeons for the past almost year
why sell a high clocked and low yield x2 at fx prices when you can get away with selling a die half the size and thus both cheaper and higher yield for fx prices? the fx's will move to dual core when people stop buying single cores - then there will be $1500 dual core fx's at a premium over the already more than fx57 priced 4800+ x2.