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09-17-2005, 01:55 PM
k|ngp|n

My solid container is finally here...cool cnc mpeg

After many delays, my solid design container has finally arrived!! This is my dream container that I have always wanted. I made absolutely no compromises in making it and it was built with only performance in mind(not to take away from any of the other containers I have used which were all great in their own right). There was flame hardened custom tooling that needed to be made, and re-made, before it could be completed. It may prove difficult to mass produce this particular unit considering the costs that were involved. Along with the custom tooling, the purest copper was used to ensure optimal thermal transfer :/. Some details which are at the heart of the design, are still under NDA and I can't show them just yet. I can say it's a heavy mofo ;). I took some risks, and I hope they pay off. I am going to run it through the ringer with ln2 mostly, and then some DI on both my dothan and FX setups this week coming up, so results coming soon.
I was very lucky to be present and oversee almost the whole production process, and I got a ton of pictures and a killer avi of it being cut on a $250,000 cnc lathe. I will get the vid loaded up some time later tonight and insert it into this post...it's pretty cool.
Here are some misc pics in the meantime:

Production pics:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112221443.jpg
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112221439.jpg

Solid block of copper it was cut from:
http://overclockingpin.com/solid%20piece.jpg

Finished product:
http://overclockingpin.com/my%20soli...with%20sig.jpg

Here it is next to my mousepot for scale(of course my mousepot was as shiny as my new container when I first got it, but this is how they look after you use the hell out of them :):
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112226252.jpg

short clip of top of the bore getting cut on the cnc lathe:
<a href="http://www.clipshack.com/ClipView.aspx?id=dZzZ2YYYRgnO3qn1Mgmfcw**">
<img src="http://www.clipshack.com/ClipLinkImage.aspx?id=dZzZ2YYYRgnO3qn1Mgmfcw**" border="0">
</a>
09-17-2005, 02:09 PM
Bloody_Sorcerer

a work of art.
8 inches tall? sounds short, but what the hell do I know, I've never played with DI/LN2 :)
09-17-2005, 02:16 PM
Jort

eyecandy perhaps:)
09-17-2005, 02:30 PM
harleybro

Very cool mate! :toast: Lookin foraward to your results. Also what the inside piece is all about. BTW I am now lidless also. ;)
09-17-2005, 02:34 PM
[XC] moddolicous

Will it be use with that arc?? Looks really good. Such a good idea that your getting it pattented? Cant wait.
09-17-2005, 02:37 PM
afireinside

Looks sick kingpin! Especially the lathe pics :D
09-17-2005, 02:38 PM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

hehe, mine where 9in and to tell ya the truth I think a few inches where not ever needed on my unit :)

those 15in tall units are all show, hehe :)

Thanx for the words bro, the mousepot was a blast and is a tough act to follow, but I am going to try like hell. It will be blood from stone from this point on, but there is still a little more to be had there...especially with ln2.
I always just need more. Prolly why japanese have so many diff revisions.....

And yah J knows how I feel about the tall ass ones, not that there isn't anything wrong with that sort of thing ;)
The mass up top does nothing really IMO. Maybe for DI where there is contstant contact the wole way up...but I believe ln2 goes by a whole different set of rules and you have to decide what the purpose of the container is and design it accordingly. "Put it where you need it " might apply better there.
09-17-2005, 03:35 PM
G H Z

Ya baby, big CU in da house ;)

Lookin good KP, hope it does what you design is intended. Say how much does Mousepot weigh in at? I'm guessing around 3.8lbs or so. Looks like we'll be seeing some big numbers over the weekend for sure.

Good luck with it and make sure to do lots of pics & results :D
09-17-2005, 06:28 PM
justwOo

Was all you changed between yours and the mousepot more pure copper and a thicker walled base?

Or is there something inside special too? :)
09-17-2005, 06:41 PM
G H Z

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ilies/rotf.gif http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ilies/rotf.gif http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ilies/rotf.gif
09-17-2005, 06:41 PM
IYP

mmm midgets
09-17-2005, 08:02 PM
harleybro

Darnit so the midget is what I am lacking all along lmao.
09-17-2005, 09:04 PM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

He has fitted a miget inside that controls the flow of LN2 with a small bucket which he splashes around on the inside walls as needed, lol

Im sure he did someting inside on that CNC Lathe. Thats a nice mahcine would be a pity if it was just plain internal :)

hehe..:banana::banana::banana::banana:star midgets. That machine was crazy lol...I had never seen anything like that thing. The vertical shaft mill that they made my hold down on was pretty sick too. Fully automated and made the complete holdown from a solid block to finish from all angles in less than 10 minutes as I watched behind the glass.
The inside of the pot is nothing crazy really and pretty simplistic, just not anything I have yet to see on other solid one piece cylindrical containers yet, japs included. I think it is going to kill with the ln2 on full throttle. Not talking this -75c bs with these noobed up fx's, I'm talkin the real f'in deal maximum -190c full overclocks. If it rocks because of the design, I think it's patentable as it will be unique in that respect. If it sucks, then I will just try a different approach. No biggy. The thrill is in the hunt too. To me even a 50mhz gain is striking gold at that level of benching. I'd just rather not show the base before my testing phase is over. I dont want to see someone else profit from my design if it's a good one,thats all. The honor system doesn't cut it anymore.

I will upload the mpeg in abit.
09-17-2005, 09:24 PM
\Karting_freak

That looks kickass KP!
/me waiting for the video /me hopes it wont be as large as 50meg +)
09-17-2005, 11:52 PM
Equinox

If you wanted to make a cap that would give a half ass seal for this device you could use a carbon fiber o-ring. I think it expands with cold. I know they use titanium tips for carbon rods on CMM's because the expansion contraction between thoughs two materials. How is everyone sure about what material has the best thermal conductivity? Im not sure either. I've only been going on what gives the best thermal shock resistence. I cant see in the ID, did he flat bottom the work piece? What's the wall thickness between proc and LN2? Very sweet man. Really looks good. Looks to be an older Mazak 860 or 660 slant bed machine he did it on.I used to run the LL7's. you can see he used an Allied 135 degree TiN coated spade. with a littl custom grind. very nice man.
09-17-2005, 11:56 PM
ilkkahy

If "heart" was made on lathe there arent much options what kind of constructions there might be. I would put my guess to chilly type of central nod.. perhaps some grooves on pipe too. If a drill was used then there might be something unique inside.
09-18-2005, 02:35 AM
Waus-mod

nice tube kingpin. Now i want to see the inside :D and how have you done the base?
09-18-2005, 06:30 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equinox

If you wanted to make a cap that would give a half ass seal for this device you could use a carbon fiber o-ring. I think it expands with cold. I know they use titanium tips for carbon rods on CMM's because the expansion contraction between thoughs two materials. How is everyone sure about what material has the best thermal conductivity? Im not sure either. I've only been going on what gives the best thermal shock resistence. I cant see in the ID, did he flat bottom the work piece? What's the wall thickness between proc and LN2? Very sweet man. Really looks good. Looks to be an older Mazak 860 or 660 slant bed machine he did it on.I used to run the LL7's. you can see he used an Allied 135 degree TiN coated spade. with a littl custom grind. very nice man.

You know your stuff man. It was mazak 860 and for the copper, I just went with what was recomended by my machinist friend for my application. There were three or four different grades to choose from. The custom tooling that he made to make my base is not visible in my pics becasue it would give away what is down there. I will get that mpeg loaded this morning, I passed out last night when I came home from partying :/
09-18-2005, 07:07 AM
SlackeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

You know your stuff man. It was mazak 860 and for the copper, I just went with what was recomended by my machinist friend for my application. There were three or four different grades to choose from. The custom tooling that he made to make my base is not visible in my pics becasue it would give away what is down there. I will get that mpeg loaded this morning, I passed out last night when I came home from partying :/

I know that feeling too well ;)

Nice container :toast:
09-18-2005, 08:29 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

V> Isn't It a nice feeling to use something you made and at that use something that breaks WR's with :)

I got a rush of that and even more so when others used my unit and done the same thing :)

It will be cool to use a container that I made for sure, especially if it works like I want it too and I can break some of my own records with it. It will justify the time, effort, frustration, and cost that I put into it.

I added the clip to the top of the thread btw..I had to cut it down alot from 35mb avi file that it was originally, but it still shows the boring part of the process pretty good. Eventually I will put the the high quality version on my site.
Now if my detroit lions win today and I can at least take back my #2 spot SLI later on or maybe even #1, today will be a great day :)
09-18-2005, 10:31 AM
Waus-mod

ok.. im hoping for succes kingpin!
09-18-2005, 12:13 PM
k|ngp|n

Well, two personal records down already lol.....if it wasnt for this one POS card, I would have #1 SLI back. I knew this slower card was going to hold me back one day. It can still be done with cpu power though I think.
Lions were getting killed so I gave up on them long ago hehe.

Going to try some dothan pi action next. Maybe I will finally get my 18sec with a 770m.
09-18-2005, 12:19 PM
[XC] moddolicous

Any screenies?
09-18-2005, 12:23 PM
n00b 0f l337

Sweet and sexy. I hope my alumi (if im not to late) will be this sweet.
09-18-2005, 12:28 PM
k|ngp|n

Well...I posted these over at ocXtreme, but here ya go....
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112336109.jpg

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112336099.jpg

Still not my best settings by far on the ram, so there is more. I just need this damn FX to cooperate with me a little more. I need to open it up a little with the dothan now. I had 30 litres of ln2 sitting here for two + weeks and it was down to about ten when I went out to the garage to get it earlier, so I barely have any left. Maybe enough for some pentium M pi runs with a pci card in.
400 and some odd points from 50k now fellas....I'm feelin it now.
09-18-2005, 12:55 PM
k|ngp|n

Man, I have alot of pics from when it was made...
here is another killer one:

http://overclockingpin.com/container%20making.jpg
09-18-2005, 01:06 PM
Waus-mod

Thats a pretty one... cnc is awesome for this work
09-18-2005, 02:49 PM
SlackeR

Nice indeed. Now go for 50K, fast :D
09-18-2005, 03:17 PM
the_chad

nice work k|ngp|n

how long did it take to complete all up?

cheers,

the_chad
09-18-2005, 05:25 PM
dastt

wow

thx for the vid

looks awsome, if i can get into a machine shop in the next week or two im going to do a dice tube
09-18-2005, 07:02 PM
justwOo

Wow awesome CNC vid :)

How long total worth of cutting did it take in the CNC machine?
Like interior exterior and everything?
09-18-2005, 07:52 PM
metro.cl

you need to work that gpu, shamino i much higher you could take him down if you get that kind of clocks.

keep it coming 50k is so close
09-18-2005, 09:28 PM
Tribal84

nice tube kingpin. i love this solid container
09-19-2005, 07:41 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by justwOo

Wow awesome CNC vid :)

How long total worth of cutting did it take in the CNC machine?
Like interior exterior and everything?

It took longer than if it was in a production run because we had to make sure that the tool that was designed to make my base, was doing what we wanted...and it wasn't at first so there was alot of trial and error.

If I decide to mass produce these, we can spit them out at around 1 piece every two hours or so :) That turning machine is the most amazing thing I swear.
09-19-2005, 06:10 PM
k|ngp|n

Spent most of the day prepping this p4c800-e I got on ebay for 80.00 bucks :) Full mods for making a dothan scream, mounting, and condensation prepping for something close to -200c takes awhile....that and I am a slacker.
Got to run a few quick benches before the ln2 was all gone, and early on it's looking really good for xtreme ln2 stuff. I manged to get almost -189c loaded temps with about 1.65v on the processor. These are the best temps I have ever gotten on any dothans I've tested under load. The container started hissing loudly as the ln2 boiled off when the temps got below -165c..it was crazy. It must have something to do with the way the base is designed.
Didn't take long to get the chip up close to 3700mhz after seeing what the board could do. What sucks is I couldn't get this mobo to run some of the same ram settings at high fsb as my other good p4p, so I may break it down and hook that other board up for the rest of testing. Dram lat par 11 and 200fsb boot = huge jumps in scores for pi if your board can do it. With both of those settings, I would have had mid 19 sec with this 770 easy. 20.25 sec for 1m was my previous best for 770m but on p4p800.
Also not so sure about this chip, it needs more voltage than my other one did at same clocks, but I did mange to get it 1m stable at nearly 3450mhz with about -120c and 1.6v which is close to 780m performance. 780's like lots of voltage, and so does this one it seems. It should do well at 1.75v+.

Here we go again....
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112491262.jpg

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112491267.jpg

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112491273.jpg

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112491258.jpg

This score could be much better with the setings I mentioned above. Something like .6 to .8sec total drop in score.
09-19-2005, 06:22 PM
harleybro

Very cool lookin forward to other results! Any way to redo the first pic w/o the skull on the bottom? lol :toast:
09-19-2005, 06:24 PM
.sentinel

That is sweet man.
09-19-2005, 08:53 PM
[XC] DragonOrta

Sweet Trail of Dead poster man. And awesome initial results. That tube sounds kickin.
09-19-2005, 09:11 PM
the_chad

nice work, awesome tube once again, and i like the skull :D
09-19-2005, 09:34 PM
G H Z

That hissing sounds wild, must be very quick at transfer. It looks like you have a winner there KP.
09-19-2005, 10:29 PM
chilly1

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

hehe..:banana::banana::banana::banana:star midgets. That machine was crazy lol...I had never seen anything like that thing. The vertical shaft mill that they made my hold down on was pretty sick too. Fully automated and made the complete holdown from a solid block to finish from all angles in less than 10 minutes as I watched behind the glass.
The inside of the pot is nothing crazy really and pretty simplistic, just not anything I have yet to see on other solid one piece cylindrical containers yet, japs included. I think it is going to kill with the ln2 on full throttle. Not talking this -75c bs with these noobed up fx's, I'm talkin the real f'in deal maximum -190c full overclocks. If it rocks because of the design, I think it's patentable as it will be unique in that respect. If it sucks, then I will just try a different approach. No biggy. The thrill is in the hunt too. To me even a 50mhz gain is striking gold at that level of benching. I'd just rather not show the base before my testing phase is over. I dont want to see someone else profit from my design if it's a good one,thats all. The honor system doesn't cut it anymore.

I will upload the mpeg in abit.

PAtent?? O well as I said before get it published and its yours forever patent it and its gone as soon as someone sees it...
What I mean is this.. When ever youcome up with some design make sure to get the drawings notarized.
send then to youe self and publically display the pics..
THis will show you Own it..
THe other issue about Ln2 containers is what you are doing,, the action performed and how it is done. So Not patentable..
Copywrite the look and feel.... YOu copy a design so someone comes up to you and says did you build /sell/ that to so and so.. then that is enforcable...
09-20-2005, 03:47 AM
k|ngp|n

Thanx for the valuable info reggie. I have already learned some of this on my own from meeting with others. I'll show the design as soon as I am done testing it's effectiveness. No biggy.
09-20-2005, 07:55 AM
speed bump

Nice design man it must feel good to know that you probably have the "coolest" thing around. Hopefully you can throw some volts at that CPU and get a nice 4ghz superpi run in.
09-20-2005, 08:52 AM
mrlobber

-1...8...9... Celsius loaded. Absolutely awesome. :worship:
09-20-2005, 11:07 AM
Eldonko

Looks great k|ngp|n, awesome work. :woot:
09-20-2005, 12:46 PM
Waus-mod

Doesnt this tube provide you the spot for the arc? i dont see the arc :D
09-20-2005, 01:23 PM
[XC] moddolicous

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Doesnt this tube provide you the spot for the arc? i dont see the arc :D

Was wondering the same thing. Nice results Kingpin. When are we gonna see 18's? Also, are u gonna try another run and get 50k?? Cant wait. HURRY UP!
09-20-2005, 03:05 PM
the_chad

Kingpin are you planning on selling these containers once your happy with the outcome?
09-21-2005, 03:55 PM
k|ngp|n

Thanx, it's actually a QOTSA poster form when they toured with them, but they're cool too :)
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112639790.jpg

Been really busy with other commitments atm, so i get in testing when I can. Did a little bit of pentium M stuff, but I have to work out some p4c/p4p mobo issues first, before I can max either of my chips out. I may runs some single card 3d action on the p4gd1 in the meantime. I want to work the container through a whole range of temps and loads. I manged to get both my 770m and the 780es stable at around 3400mhz with DI temps. These clocks are good for those temps.
770m 206x16 -68c
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112643543.jpg
780m 201x17 -77c
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112643125.jpg
Much more to come there of course and sorry for the lousy pics.

I did some quick fx57 2d stuff today, and it did great. I matched my best 8m clocks(mhz) to date with DI temps easily. I also got some runs in 1m to pass at 256x15 which I think is around 3838mhz or something. Thats my best 1m mhz too.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112637800.jpg
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112637796.jpg
Focus is on the container right now, better multi and ram settings will come later for that stuff. As far as ln2 goes, benching with it has been a dream. My temps barley swing at all under load, even with the fx at 3.8ghz and 1.82v bios.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112637793.jpg
More updates soon, incuding arc stuff :)
09-21-2005, 05:53 PM
justwOo

Edit out the skull :)
lol

Im gonna go to san fransisco(store) or something and get something trippy like your skull D:
It's cool
09-21-2005, 06:10 PM
harleybro

Nice results so far can't wait for some 3D. :toast:
09-21-2005, 06:37 PM
[XC] DragonOrta

off topic, Did you make that skull? because it's the coolest thing I've ever seen
09-22-2005, 01:51 PM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonOrta

off topic, Did you make that skull? because it's the coolest thing I've ever seen

No I bought it. It's made of some kind of resin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

the skulls in the way of the internals, hehe J/K looks killer nice temps also :)
that the Replacment 780 dothan?

No. It's that same 780es I made all the 3d runs with. The newer cpuz reports it correctly now. I would love to get my hands on a retail 780m.
09-22-2005, 02:04 PM
pythagoras

The tube sings :slobber: Sounds like you have tuning forks int the base, the expansion rates even if they where only a few millimeters long and relatively thin would make them vibrate, so I'm thinking lots of thin pins??

Regards

John.
09-24-2005, 08:37 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by pythagoras

The tube sings :slobber: Sounds like you have tuning forks int the base, the expansion rates even if they where only a few millimeters long and relatively thin would make them vibrate, so I'm thinking lots of thin pins??

Regards

John.

The hissing happens between -165c and -190c. Even with the dothan, if I let the container go dry for abit and then hit it with some ln2, it hisses like mad. Louder than anything I have ever used for ln2, it's pretty wild. I can keep my temps at any temperature I want from 0c to -190c with ease.
I am almost done testing the design's effectiveness, and I will show it soon. I am confident now that this thing flat out rocks with ln2 for controlling temps, as it was intended and it does equally as well with DI too.
09-24-2005, 04:30 PM
k|ngp|n

My "Ice Dragon" is making this fx scream..total control..how far will she go?

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112899923.jpg

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../112899928.jpg
09-24-2005, 04:38 PM
bachus_anonym

K|ngp|n,

If you ever run 32M with that setup then you will be the most versatile and complete top bencher on this planet:
AC/WC/Phase/DI/LN2 and 1M/8M/32M/Pifast/Aquamark/3DMark :shock:
After you're done reclaiming all 3D spots, finish off with some 32M :) That would be just surreal :D

BTW, sweet container! Waiting for more pics :clap:
09-24-2005, 05:55 PM
harleybro

WTG very nice results! :toast: Now it's time for you to hunt for a new card to make up for the lacking one. :)
09-25-2005, 07:22 AM
k|ngp|n

Thanx J & HB

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

K|ngp|n,

If you ever run 32M with that setup then you will be the most versatile and complete top bencher on this planet:
AC/WC/Phase/DI/LN2 and 1M/8M/32M/Pifast/Aquamark/3DMark :shock:
After you're done reclaiming all 3D spots, finish off with some 32M :) That would be just surreal :D

BTW, sweet container! Waiting for more pics :clap:

Thank you bach, I worked hard on the container, and it is paying off.
#1 SLI is within reach, even though Shamino is making nearly impossible.
heh..as for 32m. I have kinda stayed away from it for fear of losing hardware, but maybe I will give it a go when I am done with 3d and some updated 1m and 8m. Didnt OPB lose an fx during a 32m run?
09-25-2005, 05:40 PM
harleybro

Quote:

heh..as for 32m. I have kinda stayed away from it for fear of losing hardware, but maybe I will give it a go when I am done with 3d and some updated 1m and 8m. Didnt OPB lose an fx during a 32m run?

Don't understand why 32m would cause you to loose it. Wasn't his w/ the hole blown in the socket? Must have been due to not enough dielectric grease or too much voltage IMO. :) Don't think it'll die if evrything is set up right. Although I am NOT one to be commenting on condensation problems lol. ;)

Edit: NM was thinkin of the 55 w/ the hole in the socket.
09-26-2005, 03:38 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleybro

Don't understand why 32m would cause you to loose it. Wasn't his w/ the hole blown in the socket? Must have been due to not enough dielectric grease or too much voltage IMO. :) Don't think it'll die if evrything is set up right. Although I am NOT one to be commenting on condensation problems lol. ;)

Edit: NM was thinkin of the 55 w/ the hole in the socket.

Maybe I said it wrong dude :)
It is more of a question of "do I really want to burn up a good piece of hardware running a benchmark I am really not that interested in"?

But for you die hard 32m guys, I will run it when I wrap up my fx/sli benching in a day or two here, hows that? Whats the 32m record btw?
09-26-2005, 04:18 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

denny at 19m 22s
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ighlight=denny
then
onepage at 19m 29s
http://holicho.lib.net/pi3355/pi3355.htm

Thanx man :) OPB and denny both have got some serious mem speed working for them there on that one.

I remeber now, my chip that I got from you is the one ranked at #7 there isn't it ;)?
09-26-2005, 05:56 AM
JacobHansen

Killer FX speeds..
Nice Going KP!
09-26-2005, 06:19 AM
\Karting_freak

KP
common, show us how it looks inside!
or give some general info about it +)
09-26-2005, 07:10 AM
speed bump

^^^^if you had the best bench cooling device ever built do you think you would share?

kingpin you and shamino should hook up i bet with your cpu overclock skills and his GPU overlclocking skills you guys would take down 18k in 05.:)
09-26-2005, 07:11 AM
Jort

he won't, he put too mutch work into it.

remember asetek and baker block;)
09-26-2005, 02:10 PM
harleybro

Quote:

I remeber now, my chip that I got from you is the one ranked at #7 there isn't it ?

Wait where's this ranking table? :confused: Understand whatcha mean with the 32m. Really lookin forward to what you pull off in 1M and 8M. :)
09-26-2005, 02:31 PM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleybro

Wait where's this ranking table? :confused: Understand whatcha mean with the 32m. Really lookin forward to what you pull off in 1M and 8M. :)

http://holicho.lib.net/pi3355/pi3355.htm

There harley. Jason posted it above.

If i can get the cpu working right at 3840 with the 14x at these timings and bus speed that I ran here below, the scores will be pretty nice :)

ABout the best im getting out of these mushkins:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113132450.jpg
WHere I am atm with cpu power:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113144112.jpg
16x isnt necessary for these cpu mhz btw
09-26-2005, 03:01 PM
harleybro

Aha thanks KP. :toast: Lookin good so far if you get those clocks w/ the 14 multi it will be killer. I may give another go soon but lookin forward to gettin bk into the 3d world lol. :)
09-26-2005, 05:01 PM
Bloody_Sorcerer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jort

he won't, he put too mutch work into it.

remember asetek and baker block;)

well... for some reason I doubt DI/LN2 will ever go even remotely mainstream, but i understand what you're saying. the xtreme cooling arena is just much too cutthroat these days.
09-26-2005, 08:06 PM
the_chad

awesome results, good luck with your aim to hit 3840 with the 14x at those timings and bus speed, i recon you can do it :D
10-02-2005, 07:02 AM
k|ngp|n

Time for some xtreme bling bling. We saw how it kicked the fx's ass at di temps, now we will see the true power of my container and what it was actually designed for. It is VERY arc friendly.

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113653376.jpg

780es at almost -190c idle in windows at 3900mhz+ with 1.85v on the processor!! Again these are the best idle temps I have ever gotten, and a personal record. Especially considering where the processor clocks/volts are.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113653385.jpg

This shot was taken after pouring about a quarter cup of ln2 in the pot with container base temps at -165c. In almost a blink of an eye after pouring, my temps jump back to -189 and the container roars loudly. It's incredible.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113653382.jpg

These pi times can be much better, and hopefully will be with some work on this worn out p4p800 I am using for testing. This thread is about the container and how it performs with different chips and loads first and foremost, everything else is secondary. I used this motherboard because I am able to give the chip over 1.85v without issue from ovp/ocp.
With the usual tweaks of dram lat par 11, 200fsb boot, and maxmem 104 this 1m is prolly around
19.5 - 19.6 seconds. Definitely not at the chips limit mhz wise either.
Picture was snapped right as benchmark ended:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113653396.jpg

How about .2 -.3c load temps rise during 8m with a 780es at close to 1.9v and 3900mhz+? :slobber:
I was so floored when I ran this bench, I had to run it three more times to make sure it was for real, and it did it flawlessly all three times:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113653392.jpg
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113653942.jpg

Again, the time isn't all that really and could be hugely better with the above mentioned tweaks and some tighter timings. I tweaked nothing here. This is just to show what the container can do with the pentium M close to it's limits mhz/volts wise. I want to see how far I can push the chip mhz first, then I will start tweaking and tuning to get the times down.

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../113654657.jpg
I'll be posting more pentium M stuff soon...
10-02-2005, 08:54 AM
SlackeR

That container is unreal :)
10-02-2005, 09:52 AM
.sentinel

Wow Kingpin remeber when we couldn't bench FX'es towards 4 ghz and now it is dothan.
10-02-2005, 10:10 AM
metro.cl

awsome mate.

You have to begin benching for WR now
10-06-2005, 09:35 PM
Vegitto

No more work on this one?
10-07-2005, 02:26 AM
G H Z

Damn KP,

That container really looks to be all you wanted and more. Awsome work on that for sure. That post pour vapor cloud is not normal for any other container?
10-07-2005, 05:23 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegitto

No more work on this one?

My prototype and design testing is done, and the unit that you see here will be the final production unit that I am making if I decide to mass produce it.
The cpu units could be available in about a week or so, without pre-order.
As far as my own personal benching, I have to wait for the weekends mostly because I have been working alot and I just dont have the time. I am going to give 50k 01' one more shot this weekend, and some dothan pi stuff.
Honestly, I gave up on 3d when I saw the new ATI cards coming out but...now it looks like I have some more time. I thought for sure someone would have posted over 50k already lol.... guess not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

Damn KP,

That container really looks to be all you wanted and more. Awesome work on that for sure. That post pour vapor cloud is not normal for any other container?

Boiling off action and vapor clouds of ln2 is normal for any container G, and usually when the container gets closer to the temp of the ln2 iteslf, it calms down and gets quiet. For this one, the ln2 gets crazy and loud and really comes to life once you get BELOW -160. Going from -160 to -190c, it roars when you pour it.
It gets my heart going every time I swear :)
I am thinking it is due the increased surface area near the base and the way the base is designed. UNlike other containers I used, this container operates at it's xtreme max cooling capacity when a certain ammount of ln2 is in it, or if using DI it is full of crushed DI and acetone. ALL other containers I have run for ln2, actually performed worse with over a cetain ammount of ln2 in them. Too much ln2 and your evap temps go up.....
10-07-2005, 06:11 AM
Waus-mod

Kingpin.. how much insulation do you use on the back of the motherboard between the arc? how thick?
10-07-2005, 11:48 AM
speed bump

Come on 3dmark01 you can do it
10-08-2005, 05:35 PM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

Damn KP,

That container really looks to be all you wanted and more. Awesome work on that for sure.

I did pretty good on MY FIRST REVISION huh?
I figured my results would'nt be too hot since this is only MY FIRST REVISION of a cpu container ever.
You would think that 3840mhz on an fx at 1.83v and 3814mhz for 3d and -189c loaded with the dothan benching at 3.9ghz+1.9v could only be the work of a true MASTER, not someone like myself who only just built his FIRST REVISION :)
Guess I got lucky...

I got a shiny new retail dothan 780m sitting here G, so the real issue is are these 780 retail chips fsb limited like the 780es's?
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../114352185.jpg
I hope it's a good clocker It's RH80536 sl7vb Let's see what the chip can do with crushed DI and acetone first with dragon/p4p800-e/ct-479/ 2x256 buffalo tech bh5.
10-08-2005, 06:30 PM
n00b 0f l337

Not bad not bad...
10-08-2005, 06:33 PM
metro.cl

good luck mate, you are the best bencher right now (maybe shamino is up there with you)
10-08-2005, 06:58 PM
illmatik

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

awsome mate.

You have to begin benching for WR now

Good Point. What is the dothan WR now? This is definately the fastest dothan I've seen so far.. wow is all I can say, incredible!
10-08-2005, 09:08 PM
G H Z

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

I got a shiny new retail dothan 780m sitting here G, so the real issue is are these 780 retail chips fsb limited like the 780es's?

That chip should fly, hopin for some fast ram speeds. I'd really like to see you try a 670 & single card X1800XT or XL. I'm thinkin I might try it myself http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ons/icon12.gif

I also have a question. I tried DI on my FX for the first time last week and it sucked. Nothing stable even @ low ass 3.5Ghz. Tried every voltage under the sun. I noticed you said a too full container can perform worse and I'm wondering if that was my problem cuz I didn't have temp monitoring on the container. Too me it just seems like you want the container 1/2 full of acetone :confused: Or is it better to have it only near the bottom and let the DI fall into it?

Btw this FX does 3668 3D stable @ 1.69v on Baker unit & the container had perfect contact.

If you have any ideas I'd appreciate it http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...cons/icon7.gif
10-08-2005, 10:20 PM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

That chip should fly, hopin for some fast ram speeds. I'd really like to see you try a 670 & single card X1800XT or XL. I'm thinkin I might try it myself http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ons/icon12.gif

I also have a question. I tried DI on my FX for the first time last week and it sucked. Nothing stable even @ low ass 3.5Ghz. Tried every voltage under the sun. I noticed you said a too full container can perform worse and I'm wondering if that was my problem cuz I didn't have temp monitoring on the container. Too me it just seems like you want the container 1/2 full of acetone :confused: Or is it better to have it only near the bottom and let the DI fall into it?

Btw this FX does 3668 3D stable @ 1.69v on Baker unit & the container had perfect contact.

If you have any ideas I'd appreciate it http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...cons/icon7.gif

1/2 full is way too much bro. Here is what ya do for awesome evap temps:
Crush up the DI real good with a hammer or something in like a double bag. Get to almost like it's ice snow and all crushed. Fill the container up with the snow using a funnel or something (I use a scooper) Tamp it down good then pour in ABOUT A SHOT or two at most of acetone. And your good to go. This will have the DI touching all available real estate inside the container and no gaps between chunks. Just refill the crushed ice as it goes down in the container and you wont need to add any more acetone for rest of session.

My first few DI session I used way too much acetone and it was nasty. I can still remember it. I get the chills and have flashbacks when I see those tall ass containers with bubbling and big chunks floating around :)
10-08-2005, 10:25 PM
babyelf

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Just refill the crushed ice as it goes down in the container and you wont need to add any more acetone for rest of session

so use the crushed powder like dry ice all the time or just the bottom layer before starting?
10-09-2005, 05:14 AM
harleybro

Very nice KP lookin forward to new dothan runs. :)
10-09-2005, 05:26 AM
babyelf

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

always use crushed ;) I started that and It works awsome.
Only donwside is if its really humid the crushed ice=more surface area for mostiure to attach to each partical and water make a barrier and Is not good in the mix so try not to let the crushed ice sit with alot of humidity for too long :)

cheers for that :)

will try it next time ;)

so crush it just before i need it?
10-09-2005, 03:17 PM
G H Z

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

1/2 full is way too much bro.

OK I'm inspired to try again, I was trying to convince myself it was cold bug or something ;)

Thanks :toast:
10-10-2005, 05:15 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

OK I'm inspired to try again, I was trying to convince myself it was cold bug or something ;)

Thanks :toast:

NP G. Your on the right track with DI now. WHen I was referring to the container being too full and perfroming worse, I was actually referrring to ln2.

ABout this 780retail guys....After some quick testing on DI/acetone, I can say for 100% that these chips are not fsb limited like the 780es's. I was able to hit 3500mhz/250fsb for 1m easily with only -71c evap temps on my pot, and 8m crapped out about 3/4 way thru at 3500.(machine check exception error)...cpu just needed more power. This is with only uwiremod and droop mod..so I am thinking that this prolly a 4ghz chip on max ln2. Imagine what close to 4ghz with high fsb could do with 1m and even 8m :slobber: My 780es could only use 17x after 3330mhz or so just like the japs chips. THat chip maxed out around 3400 with DI and around same volts.
THis 1m is still crappy time as it is on my p4p800-e that can't run 11dram or 200 boot for full pat. Maxmem104 ws not used here either. JUst straight clocks.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../114426048.jpg
10-10-2005, 05:34 AM
k|ngp|n

Here's the money shot fellas.
Shhh... I wouldnt want anyone to incorporate this into their design because it :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing owns ;)
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../114561940.jpg
10-10-2005, 06:04 AM
ilkkahy

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Here's the money shot fellas.

How long pole did you put there? It seems low from the picture but pictures lie often.

No offense but i dont think this desing quite meets the requirements of patents? :rolleyes: Ok in USA you may have different system and you can sue anyone just about anything. I find this ridiculous. For example MM new container has very similar system. Perhaps japanese should try forbit using solid containers now because they were the first to use it? :D In reality you just need to put those in production fast before others.

ps. I am absolutely positively sure i have seen this desing as non solid version like a year ago made by some japs.

All same to me though..
10-10-2005, 06:23 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilkkahy

How long pole did you put there? It seems low from the picture but pictures lie often.

No offense but i dont think this desing quite meets the requirements of patents? :rolleyes: Ok in USA you may have different system and you can sue anyone just about anything. I find this ridiculous. For example MM new container has very similar system. Perhaps japanese should try forbit using solid containers now because they were the first to use it? :D In reality you just need to put those in production fast before others.

ps. I am absolutely positively sure i have seen this desing as non solid version like a year ago made by some japs.

All same to me though..

I can't say how long the pole is becasue I think this is very critical part. The container is full of ln2.
I don't have a patent on it becasue your right it doesnt meet the requirement for patent. It has to be something completly new for that. My specific design is copyrighted, but not patented of course.
I am about 100% positive that this is the only solid one piece container with this design.....and believe when I tell you it WORKS VERY VERY WELL.
I still haven't even decided if I want to mass produce this yet. I have enough material to make about 15 pieces, but I was thinking of just keeping the material and trying all different kinds of designs. I have good access to the cnc.
I just thought that I would show you guys what was down there. Lets see how many containers come out looking like this now :)
I am not trying to get rich lol..I just want to make the best possible cooling device I can.
10-10-2005, 06:54 AM
Lestat HWL

Doesn't look bad Vince...The walls look a bit thick...They look around 3/8" thickness, so I'd assume the base is 1/2 or 5/8" thickness. Maybe more after the base peice.

Seems like that'd be a bit too thick and would take awhile to get cooled down...What do you think? I'm sure you looked into this alot before building the tube ;)
10-10-2005, 07:21 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat HWL

Doesn't look bad Vince...The walls look a bit thick...They look around 3/8" thickness, so I'd assume the base is 1/2 or 5/8" thickness. Maybe more after the base peice.

Seems like that'd be a bit too thick and would take awhile to get cooled down...What do you think? I'm sure you looked into this alot before building the tube ;)

Hey Lestat :)
MY exact measurments on the base and lower wall thickness(below holdown) is a secret, becasue honestly I think that makes or breaks a container.
But you're very right bro, it does take awhile to get to the temps down to max ln2. That was my biggest complaint with the original mouspot...and this one even takes a bit longer because of the added mass.. But like the mouspot, once the temps get where you need them, they stay there. THis is the way of the solid. I was looking for temperature control with ln2 for the fx, and thats why I built it the way I did. I think all solid one piece containers probably behave this way more or less. I was just used to chillys container, where you could get to say -180c very quickly, but not as much capacity for holding temps wihtout keeping the container full of ln2. Mine only needs small splashes and I can actually run the fx with it empty almost.
I combined elements of chillys spiral evap containers that I liked when benching with some elements of the orig mouspot and came up with this frankenstein and I couldnt be happier with the way it turned out. My biggest fear was that the rod was too much and would prevent the base from cooling properly, but it ended up the ultimate in temp control.
10-10-2005, 09:17 AM
EZClock

Your results are insane, good job. Any chance for 4ghz Dothan runs? 19 seconds would be possible @ that clock speed id imagine.
10-10-2005, 10:35 AM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Hey Lestat :)
MY exact measurments on the base and lower wall thickness(below holdown) is a secret, becasue honestly I think that makes or breaks a container.
But you're very right bro, it does take awhile to get to the temps down to max ln2. That was my biggest complaint with the original mouspot...and this one even takes a bit longer because of the added mass.. But like the mouspot, once the temps get where you need them, they stay there. THis is the way of the solid. I was looking for temperature control with ln2 for the fx, and thats why I built it the way I did. I think all solid one piece containers probably behave this way more or less. I was just used to chillys container, where you could get to say -180c very quickly, but not as much capacity for holding temps wihtout keeping the container full of ln2. Mine only needs small splashes and I can actually run the fx with it empty almost.
I combined elements of chillys spiral evap containers that I liked when benching with some elements of the orig mouspot and came up with this frankenstein and I couldnt be happier with the way it turned out. My biggest fear was that the rod was too much and would prevent the base from cooling properly, but it ended up the ultimate in temp control.

careful with those numbers, that's enought info to back into the base thickness etc., or at least give someone a head start. if you really want it to be a secret, i would take out the weight. nice work tho :toast:

edit, you took the weight out :D
10-10-2005, 11:02 AM
Eldonko

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Hey Lestat :)
MY exact measurments on the base and lower wall thickness(below holdown) is a secret, becasue honestly I think that makes or breaks a container.
But you're very right bro, it does take awhile to get to the temps down to max ln2. That was my biggest complaint with the original mouspot...and this one even takes a bit longer because of the added mass.. But like the mouspot, once the temps get where you need them, they stay there. THis is the way of the solid. I was looking for temperature control with ln2 for the fx, and thats why I built it the way I did. I think all solid one piece containers probably behave this way more or less. I was just used to chillys container, where you could get to say -180c very quickly, but not as much capacity for holding temps wihtout keeping the container full of ln2. Mine only needs small splashes and I can actually run the fx with it empty almost.
I combined elements of chillys spiral evap containers that I liked when benching with some elements of the orig mouspot and came up with this frankenstein and I couldnt be happier with the way it turned out. My biggest fear was that the rod was too much and would prevent the base from cooling properly, but it ended up the ultimate in temp control.
It is aprox 8inches high, 2.5inches wide, and still wieghs 4.6lbs. That should say something about the mass right there.

That is great stuff KP, very innovative, temp controllable LN2 that can be used for an FX is groundbreaking. Sounds tough to controll the temps over a period of time, but I'm sure you can do it. Look forward to your benches.
10-11-2005, 11:48 PM
G H Z

OK I know your prolly busy busting 4Ghz PI but I'm sure you can spare a couple of those Mhz to post some screens ;)

So what do you think KP, is a 670 in your future? We need a run @ 50K on ATI :D FIrst guy there will be remembered. Too bad the regulars have to wait for the XT, macci will probably knock that out before anyone else gets a chance.

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