TT BigTyphoon vs. ZM9500 (54K Warning)

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09-17-2005, 01:34 PM
Dani

TT BigTyphoon vs. ZM9500 (54K Warning)

Ok, here is pictures of TT BigTyphoon:

Original bottom, very scratchy :stick:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...l%20bottom.JPG

..original bottom from different angle
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...%20bottom2.JPG

Weird number 3 and little hole :confused:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...%20bottom3.JPG

Few draws with 800 sandpaper
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...0sandpaper.JPG

Lapped and polished :D
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...20polished.JPG

..different angle again
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...0polished2.JPG

Alu fins
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...Alu%20fins.JPG

more alu fins
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...lu%20fins2.JPG

Ok, here is ZM9500 setup with thermometer
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...00%20setup.JPG

..and TT BigTyphoon setup
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...on%20setup.JPG

"Outside" thermometer probe
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...er%20probe.JPG

TT BigTyphoon
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...BigTyphoon.JPG

Let's start Priming to find out whos the King :toast:

TT BigTyphoon @ FULL LOAD 20min
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF..._FULL_LOAD.gif

TT BigTyphoon IDLE 5min.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF..._1.6V_IDLE.gif

ZM9500 @ FULL LOAD 20min
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF..._FULL_LOAD.gif

ZM9500 IDLE 5min.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF..._1.6V_IDLE.gif

TT BigTyphoon with Enermax fan, Prime95 for 20min ;)
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...EnermaxFAN.gif

TT BigTyphoon with Enermax fan, IDLE 5min.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...EnermaxFAN.gif

TT BigTyphoon with Enermax 120mm fan
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...rmax%20fan.JPG

Both coolers very effective, TT is very silent with 120mm fan, blows air to mems and PWMIC :)
09-17-2005, 01:54 PM
zakelwe

A dead heat ?

Regards

Andy
09-17-2005, 01:56 PM
Ugly n Grey

very nice, thanks for posting this for us... nice to see how much diff changing the fan made... has me thinking
09-17-2005, 02:09 PM
Cooper

Great review !
Now I think everybody will make their minds to TT. With a little adjustments it performs very good - and is cheaper thought.
09-17-2005, 02:22 PM
Vapor

Wow, a 6C drop with a better fan? That's something new....very good to see though!

Surprised to see the 9500 beat the stock BT by 2C though :stick:

EDIT: before people call me blind, I'm sourcing my numbers from MBM where it lists the max CPU temps since the puter was turned on.
09-17-2005, 02:44 PM
zakelwe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

Wow, a 6C drop with a better fan? That's something new....very good to see though!

Yes, the more air you can stick through the BT the better.

I just ran a 2900Mhz @ 1.65v on my Fx-55 with Super Pi 16M and because I had more airflow and lower ambient ( 9C ) the max I got was 35C on the core, which is 10C less than Dani.

Regards

Andy
09-17-2005, 02:52 PM
Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakelwe

Yes, the more air you can stick through the BT the better.

I just ran a 2900Mhz @ 1.65v on my Fx-55 with Super Pi 16M and because I had more airflow and lower ambient ( 9C ) the max I got was 35C on the core, which is 10C less than Dani.

Regards

Andy

I know the more air the better :stick:, but wasn't there a thread or a series of posts that showed that adding a higher CFM fan really didn't gain more than 1-2C?
09-17-2005, 04:02 PM
Ugly n Grey

That depends on the thermal load... x2 procs I found little diff personally with a faster fan...but it was still 2 or 3 c
09-17-2005, 04:04 PM
Vapor

So the higher the load, the lower the benefit? That's counter-intuitive.
09-17-2005, 04:05 PM
Dani

BIG THX to everyone :)

I'v got 2x120mm Delta WFB1224HE DC24V 0.37A, should I put them on TT BT :woot:
09-17-2005, 04:18 PM
Vapor

YEAH! w00t! Very good work Dani--I'm even considering replacing my WC with this BT because of your work. :D
09-17-2005, 04:24 PM
Ugly n Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

So the higher the load, the lower the benefit? That's counter-intuitive.

counter intuitive? with the size of this thing? radiating heat in every direction? Maybe it is.. but that's what happened.... as usual I'm not a professional reviewer and can only share my own results...your mileage may vary.
UnG
09-17-2005, 04:31 PM
Dani

OCCT 2906MHz 1.6V and TT BT with Enermax fan @ FULL RPM

http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/OCCT/DFI...1-CPUGraph.gif
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/OCCT/DFI...h21-Volt12.gif

http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/OCCT/DFI...1-VoltCore.gif
09-17-2005, 04:48 PM
Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey

counter intuitive? with the size of this thing? radiating heat in every direction? Maybe it is.. but that's what happened.... as usual I'm not a professional reviewer and can only share my own results...your mileage may vary.
UnG

I don't follow...you're saying that it doesn't cool as well because the power density is lower? Interesting....I might have to pick one of these up as well as an Opty 146.
09-17-2005, 04:53 PM
Ugly n Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

I don't follow...you're saying that it doesn't cool as well because the power density is lower? Interesting....I might have to pick one of these up as well as an Opty 146.

No I'm saying a faster fan didn't make as much difference with a loaded dual core as with a loaded single core chip. I have no idea why. Maybe I was too drunk.
09-17-2005, 05:18 PM
novagamer

Nice job :)
09-17-2005, 06:12 PM
Squid_Spit

Nice review, but what the hell is with TT and their :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty bases it looks like its only being lapped with 400 grit.
09-17-2005, 06:23 PM
novagamer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squid_Spit

Nice review, but what the hell is with TT and their :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty bases it looks like its only being lapped with 400 grit.

That is somewhat disturbing, but at least it's something that can be fixed with a little time and some elbow power :p:
09-17-2005, 07:57 PM
cadaveca

I think it's also very important that this test was run outside a case. I'm sure the performance numbers will be very different once those heatsinks are in an enclosed space...;)
09-17-2005, 11:27 PM
bokis

The decision is made, I go fore the Big T, got the paper up to 2000grit ready for some lapping :woot:
09-18-2005, 12:52 AM
BioPC

Yeah! nice review m8. I'm clear to go to TT Big Typhoon. :)
You have as well possibility to change to better fans.
09-18-2005, 12:58 AM
BioPC

After been waiting so long for the new Zalman cooler results, i disagree totally the way they were commercially pre-showing it, respecting to his performance. :nono:
09-18-2005, 01:26 AM
Dani

THX guy's!

I checked my ZM9500 and it's no problem to mod 2x120mm fan on it :fact:
09-18-2005, 02:38 AM
brandinb

haha show your results when you finnish that mod dani
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ALOTSQUIRTX
09-18-2005, 03:39 AM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandinb

haha show your results when you finnish that mod dani

Sorry, I cant because I sell ZM9500 to my friend next week (to his girl friends PC) :p:
09-18-2005, 07:10 AM
D_o_S

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

Sorry, I cant because I sell ZM9500 to my friend next week (to his girl friends PC) :p:

At least a picture of the ZM9500 with the 120mm fan? And results of the TT Big Typhoon with the Delta would be great too.

:toast:
09-18-2005, 08:53 AM
STEvil

how about adding a spacer and reversing the fan on the BT? :D
09-18-2005, 09:14 AM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

how about adding a spacer and reversing the fan on the BT? :D

Yes, it was on my mind, 60mm spacer to 120mm fan is optimal, hmm, should try ;)
09-18-2005, 10:22 AM
Kasparz

How load/silent that enermax cooler are?
09-18-2005, 11:52 AM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasparz

How load/silent that enermax cooler are?

Enermax UC-12FAB / 120mm:
- Low. 1500 / rpm n. 67,3 Cfm. 34,0 dB
- Med. 2000 / rpm n. 81,0 Cfm. 38,0 dB
- High 2300 / rpm n. 94,9 Cfm. 43,6 dB

Here is my 24/7 settings with 2x512 Mushkin Redline XP4000, Enermax @ 1090RPM :D
09-18-2005, 02:03 PM
humeyboy

http://www.thermaltake.com/dcfans/Co...2330/a2330.htm

Damn i got excited but its just near same specs as one they inc with BT, we need a 120 or 130mm :D Silent Cat as it was best fan ever for rpm/cfm/db its same rating as these bigger fans at near 54cfm (52.4cfm) i think.

That fan would be hard to seal around a heatink as its round sectioned, or maby not, any ideas if it would gain you anything ?
09-19-2005, 06:48 AM
kraggy

Sweet review! Looks like I'm getting a Big "T"!
09-19-2005, 08:00 AM
Kasparz

But one question, whats best, Tt Big typhoon+VF700Cu or Tt Big Water SE+GPU waterhead from Tt?
09-19-2005, 10:36 PM
z-design

The CNSP-9500 is available at newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118223

:)
09-21-2005, 12:26 PM
mason123

this is a test in open air, how about those 2 in the none opened pc case?

tt bt is so bigger that it will effect the whole fan cooled channel or wind direction? anybody have notice this? in a none opened case, the fan cooled channel or wind direction is also important .
09-21-2005, 12:48 PM
mariosimas♠

Here is a interesting review:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coo...t-coolers.html
09-22-2005, 02:29 PM
PowerSlide

nice work! awesome..

dun kid..u gotta show the pic of modded 2 fan 9500 to us :D
09-23-2005, 10:51 PM
calcal

so you sanded down with 800 grit and then use polish?

got a link to the polish stuff?
09-23-2005, 11:02 PM
bokis

800/1200/1600/2000 I belive, an then polish, correct me if I am wrong :toast2:
09-24-2005, 12:19 AM
z-design

Quote:

Originally Posted by bokis

800/1200/1600/2000 I belive, an then polish, correct me if I am wrong :toast2:

yup. polish isnt really that necessary in performance wise, but its good if you do it ;)
09-24-2005, 01:41 AM
Dani

230/600/800/1200 and polish
Yeah, polishing is just fun :D
09-24-2005, 07:31 PM
Tulatin

Have the BT myself, and that stock fan barely moves ANYTHING. To get this sink to it's full potential you'd need a nice delta, or to strap another fan under it (oh, and it would probably fit too.
09-24-2005, 07:45 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulatin

Have the BT myself, and that stock fan barely moves ANYTHING. To get this sink to it's full potential you'd need a nice delta, or to strap another fan under it (oh, and it would probably fit too.

50 cfm is nothing to sneeze at for the little noise it generates. I gained about 3 deg c at full load moving to a louder fan (78cfm).
09-25-2005, 12:43 AM
Tulatin

50cfm and no noise is basically a silenX fan, so on the grounds of a noiseless cooler, it does well. I'm just a little leery to trust it to cool the componentry below when i can't feel the airflow out the other side (as compared to a much less dense sink the SI-97, which had tons of airflow out the other side with a silent cat attached)
09-25-2005, 05:17 AM
Ugly n Grey

I really like the BT and won't change, but I do use a secondary 50mm fan to cool the power area as the x2 proc REALLY sucks back the juice on high OC's..
09-25-2005, 05:27 AM
Sparxxxy

looks like i'm gonna buy a BT :D
thank for the review
09-25-2005, 07:45 AM
jrw

Where'd you get that nice "table"? Made it yourself?
09-25-2005, 11:38 AM
Dani

"Roof" is 11mm MDF, did it my self :)
09-28-2005, 06:18 AM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

Yes, it was on my mind, 60mm spacer to 120mm fan is optimal, hmm, should try ;)

Hmm, turned over fan to suck through cooler but gained 3ºC higher temps in Prime95, OK, I had only 25mm spacer (from another "empty" 120mm fan)
09-28-2005, 12:48 PM
Dani

Next week Thermaltake Big Tower with 120mm Enermax vs. Scythe Ninja SCNJ-1000 with 120mm Enermax, stay tuned :D :toast: