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I dont know if anyone else has seen this review at Anandtech, but thought I would get it out here since it seems like a pretty good enthusiast board. Could be a good option if the ATI boards dont turn out as well as expected *knock on wood*, as an alternative to the DFI.
I am thinking about grabbing one myself just to be a little different, and to replace my fairly weak Chaintech.
Linky
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=72390 Already got it in the news section....anyway, I was very impressed by the board considering the price and how bad I thought it would do, LOL.
The free eVGA board wasn't as bad as I adamantly insisted it was in other threads I guess (seeing as this board is the same minus the lifetime warranty).
This board looks like it might be able to break every SLI record out there if it can keep the level of memory and cpu performance as high as the DFI. The reason I say that is because of it's sli performance at stock speeds...it gets a very nice lead on the DFI :eek: . Anandtech said something like how they thought the jumperless/switchless SLI design might have been the reason. Who knows and who cares as long as we have competition to drive prices down and a new sweet performer for cheap :)
Great board! Looking forward to availability
looking very interesting... i hope they do really well out of that board... hopefully they stay in the enthusiast game for the long haul
that board looks impressive...for $129 and SLI. And what performance!
It beats all the other boards by almost 1700 points in aquamark 3 single card, and by 2500 in SLI!!
I can see this board being the next nf7 - cheap, amazing overclocker. I really would have bought that, had it been around two weeks ago.
Well it has been reviewed by OCW almost 2 months back. I was also surprised with the result they got. Anandtech review has just kinda put seal on its good performance for less price. But again I wish it was avlbl here in Mumbai. Would not mind to get another top sli performer for sure, now that I have saved enough.
id never seen it before, or even heard of it. At least they sent it to anand, who gave it some publicity. They obviously put some thought in, and deserve to do well.
Im playing with the EVGA (jetway) board right now :D
was that free board with the evga 7800gt's this?
Same board, the evga version just has a green pcb.Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
woah makes that a sweet deal!
7800gt plus amazing overclockers board, for $400.
The board is pretty good, has some minor bios issues but EVGA are releasing the new bios soon. The 7800GT is awesome! It overclocks like mad:
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4310/7800gt27mx.jpg
is that 500mhz before or after the clock delta?
Anybody else thinks it looks like a DFI rip-off? Or maybe it's made by DFI for Jetway?
1) Reset/power switches
2) Rounded corners
3) Similar mosfets & caps
etc?
Nettwerk
Does 3.25V on the RAM work? Hmm, I wonder if that's still off the 3.3V rail
Try flashing the latest jetway bios to your board, it is supposed to be a lot betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
its not a DFI rip off, all the things you list are being used and have been used by many companies, its just the first enthusiast board we have seen from jetway and it looks like they did their homework.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Before.Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
Anybody know off hand where I can download the latest Jetway bios, I can't seem to find their home page.
wow, this is all news to me but very interesting. Can this beat the DFI overall?
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
EVGA said this wouldnt work and I dont know if it had bootblock or some protection if it doesnt. I dont see why it wouldnt though.
This board looks pretty good :)
"That Evga board is just a rebadged chaintech vnf4 sli." This is what Fatfreepork said in the on-line deals&sales. I didn't want a chaintech board but if it's a jetway I just get it and the 7800.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
They have the flash protect enabled by default in the bios so if you tried to flash without first disabling it you won't be able to flash the bios, you can also force the flash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
http://www.jetway.com.tw/evisn/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Just took a peek into their bios section and there is no NF4 section there yet. Although it does look like there is a space for it :)
I think you are thinking of the BFG board, not eVGA.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...5fMV82X2wuanBn
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Originally Posted by Major_A
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=71477
I think I am thinking of this thread.
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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Isn't this it?
http://www.jetway.com.tw/evisn/index.html
A03 (07/17/05) N89LGA03.BIN
(Asia Site2) Fix after S3 resume,CPU ratio& valtage return to default.Solution EPA logo add make hdd priority display error.Fix after S1 resume,Can't shutdown issue.K8 Rev:E6 support.(For 939GT4-SLI-G-EC/OC)
Did you flash with the jetway bios??Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I also want to know this. If it works and sorts out the minor issues I may jump on a combo deal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
Screw it im gonna save the original to floppy and flash to the 939GT4-SLI-G-EC/OC bios after lunch.
That's the spirit! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
I flashed the EVGA mobo to the 939GT4-SLI-G-EC/OC bios and it works great :) got rid of the annoying EVGA logo blocking out the boot sequence at the beginning too :D
Thank you very much! You've just essentailly solidified my purchasing decision. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
Man those EVGA bundles are great. If I didn't have a DFI and a 7800GTX already, I'd get one right away ;)
Think I may get one next week.
anyone know what kind of caps it uses? good board, but if it uses low quality caps, longer reliability might be an issue with popping caps. Besides all those caps popping might be pretty annoying.
Look at the pics, looks very similar to the high-quality japanese caps DFI uses.
If you go past 250HTT 1:1 it wont save and will boot up at stock speeds. Tested GSKILL pc4400 and Mushkin XP4000.
What about clockgen?
Good question :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
ill try it
will it have the same problem using dividers?
Yup, I have gskill le in it right now and no matter WHAT setting I use/divider/blah it starts windows at default speeds. Its going to be the same with my mushkin XP4000 casue it acts just like this too. On to clockgen.. I bumped it up to 250x9 and it went then I tried 251x9 and it rebooted lol
Only thing I have that works on this mobo is 2x256 corsair LL 2-2-2-5 memory and mushkin redline 4000 but the redline needs 3.2 volts to even run stock speeds.
hmm have u tried different bioses?
heh theres only 1Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
New bioses should come out and hopefully fix this stuff
How high does vdimm go on this board?
3.25Quote:
Originally Posted by en4cer
What HTT multiplier are you using? If you're still at 5x (1000) then you are doing fantastic at 1250HT. I had to drop to 3X to make it above the 300 CPU Clock frequency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
For simple testing to see how far you can go, use a HT ratio that keeps the HT clock around 800-1100. That would be 4X above 230 or so, and about 3X above 260 to 270. You can tighten and tweak the HT frequency once you see where the board can go.
In my testing the Jetway board reset and recovered well from bad OCs, but it wasn't overly agressive on resets like some of the current Abit boards are.
I use 3x HTT multi. for anything over 250Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus
Anandtech's Results:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
Maximum FSB:
(Lower Ratio) 314 x 9 (2563MHz) (3x HT)
(2826MHz, 2 DIMMs in DC mode)
(+57% Bus Overclock)
I wonder if you just got a bad board? Or maybe there are slight differences between the Jetway and Evga boards? Maybe the Jetway's that didn't have good overclocking abilities were the ones that were rebadged? Seems odd that you can't get over 250 when Anandtech got 314 :(
I can do 300x9 easy on with my 3000+ but the ram cannot go over 250 so I have to use a divider to keep it at 200. It has an issue since others are having it and they acknowledge the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by dqniel
that's too bad. it looked like such a promising board. hopefully they can correct it in a bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
Did anyone try clockgen yet?
I been reading the Anandtech review and this thread, and checking out the eVGA deal on Newegg. I've noticed that Newegg has 2 different eVGA boards based off this same design:
1) eVGA 133-K8-NF41 is the on that comes with This combo deal. Although not listed in the detailed spacs, it will work with the athlon 64 x2 check it: http://www.evga.com/products/pdf/133-K8-NF41.pdf. Does not support SATA II though.
2) eVGA 133-K8-NF43 supports athlon 64 x2 and does support SATA II. It's available for $110 Here, but without the combo offer.
Don't know if the SATA II support is that big of a deal, but If the above mentioned Jetway BIOS flashed to the eVGA board works to make it a good overclocker, then I'm gonna get this as soon as I can. If the combo deal is no longer available when I can afford it, then I may just get the Jetway 939GT4-SLI or the eVGA 133-K8-NF43.
Do both boards use the same BIOS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelldor
If so, it might be possible to enable SATA-II buy just bridging a couple pins on the nF4 chip??
i got that evga jetway clone board i wonder if that iwll work??Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
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LovelyWendie99
btw i flashed my evga to the jetway bios with success but im not sure what the benifit is as it seems the same but it gets rid of the annoying splash screen. does anybody know the best jetway bios to use especially for a 3000 and some hynix ram that does 270-280 2.5-3-3-7 thanks
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LovelyWendie99
My apologies folks. The eVGA 133-K8-NF41 is the 1 that supports SATA II, the 133-K8-NF43 does not. I got them backwards. Furthermore, the 133-K8-NF41 is the one that supports SLI, the 133-K8-NF43 does not, however..., I couldn't help but notice the pictures of the boards look exactly the same at both newegg and at eVGA's website. The non SLI version still shows 2 PCI-E 8X slots and 1 PCI-E 16X slot. Kinda makes me think of back when some of you folks were taking DFI non-SLI boards and turning them into SLI, wonder if the same is possible w/ the NF-43.
eVGA has a bios update for thier 133-K8-NF41 board Here! Would love to hear more info on how they are working for you folks. Thx.
i have a 7800GT and the non SLi (NF43) coming today. does anyone have any input on if the jetway bios' work for the NF43 aswell ? seems the the NF41 has the issues, i havent ran across any feedback on the NF43 ?
I would imagine that would work, AFAIK at this point the nf4 chips are the same with the jumpers deciding SLI & SATAII operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
This bios JUST CAME out or its been out a while already? I have a board coming soon and I would like to know if this bios is hot off the stove.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelldor
Got the board the other day and found 250HTT/FSB is the highest that will pass Memtest at any combinations of timings with 2X512 memory.
Tried G.Skill "LE", Patriot "XBLK" and OCZ Rev2....
Tried 200 1T 2.5-3-3-7 to 200 2T 3-4-4-11 and everything in between. Don't want a divider with those sticks. DFI doesn't need divider!
Tried 2X, 3X, 4X.......
Tried Blue sockets, tried yellow sockets.
Tried more voltage, tried less voltage....
Tried BIOS A02, A03, and EVGA A04... Same thing....
With 2X256, 9X315 is fine at 200 1T 2.5-4-3-7, 3X
Anyone gotten above 250 with 2X512 with any stability???
A64 Tweaker shows that Trtw is set automatically to 2. That is too tight for me above 250. Setting it to 4 with the Tweak allows me to get to 275, but no way to run Memtest
I'm going to e-mail Westly Fink, as the Anandtech review did not mention mem settings that I could find....
Specs in siggy:
Nice to see someone else have the exact same issues with his gskill. It gets weird after 250HTT using clockgen.Quote:
Originally Posted by RebelsHaven
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
Yes, misery loves company.....
Above 250 with Clk-Gen is no bargain for sure..... Even setting the Trtw to 4 is no help....
Shame, it's a real nice board for $125 or what ever it is...
2X256 is no problem. Go figure!:
http://www.lejabeach.com/sisubb/jetw...li090705-1.jpg
the issue is that it cant get above 250htt or the memory cannot reach 250fsb? So if we use dividers and keep the memory fsb at or below 250fsb, we should be kosher right?
Well, that's probably true, but I didn't pay about $250 for memory to run it with dividers. Value RAM...., sure, use dividers...
On the DFI nF4-UltraD and many other boards I've tested, 2X512 of G.Skill "LE", Patriot "XBLK" and OCZ Rev2 all clock to in excess of 300 to 320 without using dividers at 2.5-4-3-7 2T.. Some do 300 at 1T....
So this baby needs BIOS revisions to get past 250.... And the 1st thing we need is all the memory timings accessable...
Hey Rebel can you see if the vdimm and vcore is accurate on this with your multimeter?
Sweet thanks Rebel!
I remember your name from around the DFI NF3 939 Mobo discussion on DFI-Street, lol
Did you get rid of that POS mobo too?
No, I have it.... Actually I had very little trouble with it..... I bought this board and the A210GDMS-Pro to be able to report on them for my forum members....
Just a quick question. The Anandtech review says it has 4 sata2 connectors, but the Jetway website says they are sata1. Which is it? I assume they are the sata2 that the NF4 has, but I just want to be sure before I order it tomorrow.
Thanks.
Shawn
Hello to all of u guys......
I'm intrested in buying Jetwat 939 gto2.......
i have 2*256 bh and i would like to know if i will have any problems......thx........
I've never owned BH, so I can't say, but, yesterday I noticed that the eVGA 7800GT/NF41 (Jetway copy) combo deal is back at Newegg, and is $100 cheaper than it was a couple months ago.
eVGA 256-P2-N518 Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video
$359
eVGA 133-K8-NF41 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Free
wow 359 for a 7800gt and a free sli mobo thats an insane deal!! if you factor the cost of the mobo at 120 bux then it makes the card only 239 dollars thats pretty good
could even sell the mobo for 100 bux or so and get a still really cheap 7800
Any word about the 250 max fsb??
htt can go just about as high as you want to go. the problems are;
about half of the boards reset back to default if you set htt to over 270 in bios (clockgen ok tho)
NO RAM will run faster than 200mhz at 1t. now that i think about it, i dont think that ANY RAM will run faster than 200mhz at 2t, either.
there have been no bios updates since the beginning of september, and these issues were not addressed in that update.
there is a large thread dedicated to these boards at
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=943238
i have a nf41 and a nf43 i got free with my 7800gts. i tried out the nf43, modded it to sli and sata2, had the problems listed above. so if bandwidth is not a big deal to you, or you are using cheap ram, go for the free board. other than the above issues, it ran great and problem free, no booting, bios, ram compatibility, or sata issues at all. has 3 pcie slots, one dedicated 16x, the other 2 dedicated 8x (if you get the sli board or mod the other one), decent layout, power/reset switches on board, diag leds (like epox), decent accessories.
good luck
very truly yours,
politenessman
hey there was just a post on the [H] that said the memory needs to be in the SAME colored slots, unlike what the manual said. He can do 1t timing now, no word about the >250 fsb though.
I am running 280 Htt and my settings stay.
Many others can also do the same or better, but as you stated some cannot.
I am running my ram at 234MHz at 1t.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=51869
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Originally Posted by politenessman
Hmmmm ... I'm surprised I never bothered to post a link in this thread to my EVGA mobo adventure. Its in the deals sections under EVGA 7800GT $360 After $40 rebate + Free 939 NF4 SLI mobo This mobo is now sitting in a game rig, water cooled CPU and SLI'ed 6800GTs and two gig of UCCC memory. OC on the Venice 1800 is set at a very mild 267x9 with a 166 divider. Very smoothe game play. The board is doing what it was intended to do. Game. Its just not a bencher.
i have the EVGA NF43, not sure what the Jetway equivilent is, but i can run my ram @ 225mhz 1:1. also when i had my pc4200 this bord would do 290HTT, that i know ;)
like i said, about half the boards will not go above 270htt in bios without resetting to default when you boot. using clockgen, you can boot at 269, and then go as high as you can. but this is the first time i have read about ram running over 200mhz.
very truly yours,
politenessman