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08-05-2005, 12:48 PM
cpulloverclock

I'm in the AMD 4G club --> 4068-4080MHz

:) :)

Today I tested my fx-57 on my cascade at -80 -90C and could have a 3984MHz screenie, possible 3996MHz, at 4007 there was a shutdown but I think I can break this wall
08-05-2005, 12:52 PM
afireinside

Max pi/3dm speeds? SS is worthless :stick:
Also, hows the mem controller on your chip? Is it freaking out at the low temps or can you still keep 260+ ram speeds?
08-05-2005, 12:59 PM
FlyingHamster

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

Max pi/3dm speeds? SS is worthless :stick:

thats all ricky and pedro had and now take a look at their 13 page thread.. :rolleyes:
08-05-2005, 01:04 PM
Firefoxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingHamster

thats all ricky and pedro had and now take a look at their 13 page thread.. :rolleyes:

But they were the first to do this...But for me 4GHz SS are also quite good
:clap:
08-05-2005, 01:05 PM
[XC] moddolicous

Look at fugger's 14pg thread for a bios shot. Cpulloverclock, that great news to hear. I would also like to know what the max benchable is. Do u think u can take Lardarse's 4026? A superpi run @ 260*15 or even 280*14 would give like low 21 or maybe even 20's.
08-05-2005, 01:06 PM
afireinside

I don't want to start anything here or hijack this thread but I and many other people feel that SS are worthless. Whats the point of the big number if it doesn't run anything. SSing 3300 and 5ghz are the same damn thing if the chip will max in pi at 3250.
08-05-2005, 01:12 PM
Waus-mod

No it wont... getting the last mhz out if it is super... a SS is just good because if you can take a 4ghz bench it wont be for 24/7 so it is still a thing that not lasts for ever. so a SS is the same and therefor it also can be a WR. i also wouldnt say that a bench is not good or so. but my opinion is that they both are good!

GREAT news cpulloverclock!!!
08-05-2005, 01:56 PM
welshtom

looking good. :banana:
08-05-2005, 02:18 PM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

Max pi/3dm speeds? SS is worthless :stick:
Also, hows the mem controller on your chip? Is it freaking out at the low temps or can you still keep 260+ ram speeds?

I just tested a spi 1M at 3669MHz = 22.4

I'll test anymore tomorrow

no problem with the mem controller

I can bench my ram at 280+
08-05-2005, 02:23 PM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by moddolicous

Look at fugger's 14pg thread for a bios shot. Cpulloverclock, that great news to hear. I would also like to know what the max benchable is. Do u think u can take Lardarse's 4026? A superpi run @ 260*15 or even 280*14 would give like low 21 or maybe even 20's.

will be ery hard but of course I'll try :D

it's weird, I can have 24.9 at 3258MHz and only 22.4 at 3669???
08-05-2005, 02:47 PM
[XC] moddolicous

So, by linear scaling (trying to sounds technical) extra 400mhz=2.5sec, so that means it will take 4069 to break 20's.
08-05-2005, 03:24 PM
Thorry

Pfft breaking 20's with A64 is tough, but if anybody can do it...
08-05-2005, 07:10 PM
MAZ

Hi cpulloverclock

Congratulations on completion of your cascade.
-80 -90C is just good temperature for FX-57.
Good luck!!
08-05-2005, 07:26 PM
gclg2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

I don't want to start anything here or hijack this thread but I and many other people feel that SS are worthless. Whats the point of the big number if it doesn't run anything. SSing 3300 and 5ghz are the same damn thing if the chip will max in pi at 3250.

This isn't xtremelystablesystems.org
08-05-2005, 09:48 PM
afireinside

I'm not asking for 24 prime95 while looping 3d05 :stick: There's not much xtreme in a picture that says 4ghz if you can only run pi at 3.6. We all know max 1M speeds are FAR from "stablesystems"
08-05-2005, 10:03 PM
alexio

Just what we needed, an FX57 with a good memcontroller at -80 C*. This cpu would rock with two 7800 GTX's and RAM at 280mhz 2-2-2-5 1:1.
08-05-2005, 11:24 PM
speed bump

I'm thinking maybe AMD is somewhere closer to fixing the cold bug as more and more Fx-57SD's are able to go down to -90 and still run. I wonder if the even newer ones will get better?
08-06-2005, 12:51 AM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by gclg2000

This isn't xtremelystablesystems.org

:clap:
08-06-2005, 01:41 AM
fredyama

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

:) :)

Today I tested my fx-57 on my cascade at -80 -90C and could have a 3984MHz screenie, possible 3996MHz, at 4007 there was a shutdown but I think I can break this wall

Awesome results :toast:
Glad to know yours is ok at -80 -90C under Cascade.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

will be ery hard but of course I'll try :D

it's weird, I can have 24.9 at 3258MHz and only 22.4 at 3669???

My initial results are:
23.250 @3570.6MHz under Prometeia and 22.250 @3757.6MHz under LN2.

Yup, I got FX-57 0516WPMW 500XX as can hardly wait to get its next batch in Japan.
I can bench my SD FX-55 at -86C but around -74C for FX-57.
BTW, temp probe was taped at the bottom edge side of the copper pot.
No idea about how 9NPA+ SLi reports temp in its Bios-- it is always around +2 -- +8C after load :confused:
08-06-2005, 06:23 AM
$a1Ty

Quote:

Originally Posted by moddolicous

So, by linear scaling (trying to sounds technical) extra 400mhz=2.5sec, so that means it will take 4069 to break 20's.

i'm pretty sure the results for spi are not linear :)
08-06-2005, 06:38 AM
Dumo

Heres boot up @-100, but low htt @ -95C..bench stable @3.8G (spi1 score's sucks with low htt). Imo, 57 mem. controller need to get used to < -85C

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/4784/mvc021f2gj.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/2...shot0454wx.jpg
08-06-2005, 06:41 AM
Waus-mod

nice results dumo!
08-06-2005, 06:50 AM
misteroadster

Dumo have you tried the acpi mutitweak ?
It maintain your cpu in full, it can helps you.
08-06-2005, 06:59 AM
Dumo

Thanks waus-mod :toast: ...I will try misteroadster..thanks :)
08-06-2005, 07:37 AM
KamE38

:slobber:
08-06-2005, 08:34 AM
Revv23

impressive.

On a side note, nothing we do here at xtreme makes much sense, there really isnt any sensible reason for most of our overclocking adventures, so all the same, pushing hardware is pushing hardware, whether the challenge is getting it to boot, or to run superpi, the whole XS pointe is just to take our computers to thier edge, so say what you will, im impressed by all aspects of overclocking, whether its getting a d2ol rig to run all day at good clocks, or breaking the WR in suicide shots.
08-06-2005, 09:29 AM
gclg2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

impressive.

On a side note, nothing we do here at xtreme makes much sense, there really isnt any sensible reason for most of our overclocking adventures, so all the same, pushing hardware is pushing hardware, whether the challenge is getting it to boot, or to run superpi, the whole XS pointe is just to take our computers to thier edge, so say what you will, im impressed by all aspects of overclocking, whether its getting a d2ol rig to run all day at good clocks, or breaking the WR in suicide shots.

I agree. :toast:
08-06-2005, 10:12 AM
afireinside

Ok...

Person A has an FX57 at 4ghz screenie and it runs Pi 1M at 3.6ghz with low ram which he pulled off in a few hours. Person B has spent weeks benching his FX57 that wont SS over 3.8ghz but can run 8M stable at 3.75ghz with high ram speed. Person A is the obvious record holder because he has a totaly XTREME 4ghz shot, and person B spent weeks benching but doesn't get anything because his SS is lower, right? :stick:
08-06-2005, 10:17 AM
sai

Quote:

Originally Posted by moddolicous

So, by linear scaling (trying to sounds technical) extra 400mhz=2.5sec, so that means it will take 4069 to break 20's.

too bad it's not linear :cool:
08-06-2005, 10:18 AM
sai

Quote:

Originally Posted by misteroadster

Dumo have you tried the acpi mutitweak ?
It maintain your cpu in full, it can helps you.

What's the ACPI Multitweak ? Never heard of it :confused:
08-06-2005, 10:18 AM
gclg2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

Ok...

Person A has an FX57 at 4ghz screenie and it runs Pi 1M at 3.6ghz with low ram which he pulled off in a few hours. Person B has spent weeks benching his FX57 that wont SS over 3.8ghz but can run 8M stable at 3.75ghz with high ram speed. Person A is the obvious record holder because he has a totaly XTREME 4ghz shot, and person B spent weeks benching but doesn't get anything because his SS is lower, right? :stick:

Ya pretty much.

The title of this thread is "soon AMD 4G club," not "SUperPi 1M stable at 3.6ghz FX-57 :slapass: club"

Nice thread crap.
08-06-2005, 11:25 AM
afireinside

Any chip that can bench near 3.7ghz with 280mhz mem is a very good chip. I'm not thread crapping, I'm just saying DO SOMETHING with it so he can get a REAL WR in a benchie and not a SS.
08-06-2005, 11:54 AM
harleybro

SS are nice but benchies are much better. If it's ss stable at high mhz. maybe the cascade is loosin temps.? Do you get drastic swings or anything? I go for max SS but more fun is pullin off a nice super pi or even more so 3d. Since I think it would only be the third one over 4 it would be cool. But can ya show some benches maxed also even if they aren't records they are always nice to compare. :)
08-06-2005, 12:32 PM
Mathias-K

NICE overclocking! Go get the 4G :clap:

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

Ok...

Person A has an FX57 at 4ghz screenie and it runs Pi 1M at 3.6ghz with low ram which he pulled off in a few hours. Person B has spent weeks benching his FX57 that wont SS over 3.8ghz but can run 8M stable at 3.75ghz with high ram speed. Person A is the obvious record holder because he has a totaly XTREME 4ghz shot, and person B spent weeks benching but doesn't get anything because his SS is lower, right? :stick:

As much as i don't want to offend anyone, i have to agree with afireinside's point about "real results". It is fun to compare FX57's to see who can go highest with his chip, but it is not a task completed. In other words 39xxMHz on anything else than a Pentium 4 is absolutely amazing, but it is only a potential WR to me.

Personally, i think TAM's 4178MHz Pi-WR is much more the fastest Pentium M (or quite likely the fastest on the planet) around than the 4300MHz+ screenies :)
08-06-2005, 12:37 PM
gclg2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathias-K

NICE overclocking! Go get the 4G :clap:

As much as i don't want to offend anyone, i have to agree with afireinside's point about "real results". It is fun to compare FX57's to see who can go highest with his chip, but it is not a task completed. In other words 39xxMHz on anything else than a Pentium 4 is absolutely amazing, but it is only a potential WR to me.

Personally, i think TAM's 4178MHz Pi-WR is much more the fastest Pentium M (or quite likely the fastest on the planet) around than the 4300MHz+ screenies :)

I've never disagreed with stability benching, but the title of his thread...is 4G's

I rarely speak out about this, but I hate when people thread crap about something someone took the time to post and for us to admire.
08-06-2005, 01:08 PM
LivingL@rGe81

Break the 4G barrier!!!

Any 3D yet?
08-06-2005, 01:27 PM
IYP

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

Ok...

Person A has an FX57 at 4ghz screenie and it runs Pi 1M at 3.6ghz with low ram which he pulled off in a few hours. Person B has spent weeks benching his FX57 that wont SS over 3.8ghz but can run 8M stable at 3.75ghz with high ram speed. Person A is the obvious record holder because he has a totaly XTREME 4ghz shot, and person B spent weeks benching but doesn't get anything because his SS is lower, right? :stick:

person B wins the stable overclock prize....with lots of cookies....
08-06-2005, 03:10 PM
fredyama

Quote:

Originally Posted by IYP

person B wins the stable overclock prize....with lots of cookies....

Are you calling me?
So nice to get lots of cookies :D

By fredyama

M/B: EPoX 9NPA+SLi Rev.1.0 Vdimm Mod (Bios Original 04/07/05)
M/B Bed: ARC Bed Rev 3.32
CPU: AMD Athlon64 FX-57 0516WPMW 500XX
CPU Cooling: LN2 ARC Pot Rev10.0
Memory: OCZ PC3200 VX 512MB x 2
VGA: ATI 3D Rage PCI 8MB
PSU: OCZ PowerStream 520W
Vcore: Bios +0.275V/ClockGen, Vddr=3.55V, Vchipset=1.8V, Vio=3.64V
Chipset　Cooling: Stock + grease re-applied

modPI8M: 4m08.343s @3.757G
http://premium1.uploadit.org/fredyam...-4m08.343s.gif
08-06-2005, 03:30 PM
cpulloverclock

some pictures
not the max

tomorrow I kill the 21s, spi 1m can pass at 3761MHz

http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...que/22.234.gif

just a test to see the score with my rams at 280
http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...ique/32.94.gif

already had 3772MHz
http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...tique/3750.gif

I want 4GHz :D :p:
http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...tique/3994.gif
08-06-2005, 03:44 PM
DeltZ

whoa keep it up I'm sure you'll get there!

We'll save the toast emoticon for the 4ghz mark ey? :P good luck m8 :)
08-06-2005, 07:28 PM
Stuperman

HOLY CRAP!

that is amazing ram, 280 @ cas 1.5!!

and 3994mhz isn't too shabby either, good luck on 4ghz.
08-07-2005, 12:24 AM
STEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

Ok...

Person A has an FX57 at 4ghz screenie and it runs Pi 1M at 3.6ghz with low ram which he pulled off in a few hours. Person B has spent weeks benching his FX57 that wont SS over 3.8ghz but can run 8M stable at 3.75ghz with high ram speed. Person A is the obvious record holder because he has a totaly XTREME 4ghz shot, and person B spent weeks benching but doesn't get anything because his SS is lower, right? :stick:

I'm a bit tired of these SS vs. Bench remarks (by anybody, so dont feel i'm picking on you specifically)... its really a moot point.

Person A wins the SS competition.. impressive, but not everything.

Person B will most likely hold all the S-Pi records and such which as we all already know are the rest of the battle.

Whichever each person feels is the most impressive is up to them, just like some people like seeing 5,000+HP alcahol fueled cars go down a stip in under 4 seconds and others like to watch Le Mans or Baja.
08-07-2005, 12:32 AM
Starks

A suicide shot is more impressive than a bench...
08-07-2005, 02:20 AM
STEvil

if you say so.
08-07-2005, 03:37 AM
afireinside

mmmm Pi :D Nice runs cpull, think you can break 3.8ghz benchable?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starks

A suicide shot is more impressive than a bench...

I'd love to hear the logic behind that one :rolleyes:
08-07-2005, 05:09 AM
cpulloverclock

I installe windows at -51°C bios and I can do a spi 1M at 3.82GHz :) but the 14x bugged in the end

weird
08-07-2005, 06:06 AM
esdee

gongrats cpulloverclock

im sure with 2x512 DIMM of BH5 you can get better results due to bank interleave
great performance gain!

awsome CPU!
08-07-2005, 06:15 AM
cpulloverclock

4030MHz ok

4041MHz was possible if I had not waited :slapass:
08-07-2005, 06:24 AM
overcrash86

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

4030MHz ok

4041MHz was possible if I had not waited :slapass:

AMD WR Max screen :toast:

verry nice cpull, now 4040-4050 possible :banana:
08-07-2005, 06:55 AM
Jericho

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

some pictures
not the max

tomorrow I kill the 21s, spi 1m can pass at 3761MHz

http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...que/22.234.gif

just a test to see the score with my rams at 280
http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...ique/32.94.gif

already had 3772MHz
http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...tique/3750.gif

I want 4GHz :D :p:
http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...tique/3994.gif

Why are you not running SuperPI Mod1.4 ?

Or do you mind that mod1.4 is not stable
08-07-2005, 07:38 AM
Waus-mod

still going nice man! hope you'll break the 4!
08-07-2005, 07:57 AM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

still going nice man! hope you'll break the 4!

that's done ---> 4030MHz

AMD WR

I'm in the AMD 4G club :banana:
08-07-2005, 08:10 AM
Starks

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

that's done ---> 4030MHz

AMD WR

I'm in the AMD 4G club :banana:

For the BIOS or Windows?
08-07-2005, 08:43 AM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starks

For the BIOS or Windows?

windows :confused:

a frequency bios is not a record
08-07-2005, 08:49 AM
cpulloverclock

mmm

I have again a prob with 14x

-39 bios at 1.8v

a cold bug or windows
08-07-2005, 08:50 AM
guess2098

great job^^
i am ready to go in 4G too
but my stuffs are not here yet...
08-07-2005, 09:01 AM
cpulloverclock

YESSS

I have a validation at 4080MHz!!!!!!!!!!

edit : soon a 4.1GHz created :p:
08-07-2005, 09:15 AM
fuds

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

YESSS

I have a validation at 4080MHz!!!!!!!!!!

edit : soon a 4.1GHz created :p:

Nice Cpulloverclock! :clap: Grats!
08-07-2005, 09:20 AM
skirms_fr

congratz cpull :D

very good job

and good luke for the 4.1 (maybe 4.2 :p)
08-07-2005, 09:25 AM
KamE38

cpull roxx :woot:
08-07-2005, 09:31 AM
Revv23

crazy man, how do you keep getting more out of that thing?
08-07-2005, 09:59 AM
peterpz

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

YESSS

I have a validation at 4080MHz!!!!!!!!!!

edit : soon a 4.1GHz created :p:

Show screen! ;)
08-07-2005, 10:05 AM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterpz

Show screen! ;)

soon, I continue to bench
08-07-2005, 10:10 AM
peterpz

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

soon, I continue to bench

How much is Vcore? :D and how much can mobo? :toast:
08-07-2005, 10:22 AM
skirms_fr

he searchs the max of the max :p
08-07-2005, 11:33 AM
swarzy85

Great scores :)
try with SuperPi mod 1.4 :)

Good job :banana: :woot:
08-07-2005, 12:20 PM
Sesto Sento

INSANE :slobber: hope u can reach 4.1 ;)
08-07-2005, 12:25 PM
Ferry82

You Rock :party3: :party2: cpulloverclock
08-07-2005, 12:48 PM
giorgioprimo

signed...
08-07-2005, 01:27 PM
2fink

congrats, now let us see 4.1ghz :toast:
08-07-2005, 02:22 PM
cpulloverclock

erf, I'm disgusted, my 4080 file has disappeared
I dont find it

too bad, I saw it 6-7 hours ago :( :( :(

I'll have more next time

for the 21s, I found the trick to get it at 3793 but in the end spi didnt work at this frequency = cascade used during 11 hours

http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...que/21.984.gif

http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...que/22.031.gif

often the 14 multiplier doesnt work at high frequency cpu and ram
http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...tique/3803.gif

http://membres.lycos.fr/cpulloverclo...atique/500.gif

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=31204
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/31204.png
08-07-2005, 02:28 PM
mr_knowitall15

wowie wow wow!!!! makes me really want to build an AMD rig.... *looks in paper for second job*
08-07-2005, 02:33 PM
SrJabardo

cpulloverclock

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

Congrats dude!

Well done [[[[]]]] huge hug for you ;)
08-07-2005, 02:45 PM
KoNiaK

congrats to a french overclocker, and a french cascade´ builder :toast:
08-07-2005, 02:47 PM
cpulloverclock

thx all

it's the beginning
08-07-2005, 02:50 PM
Waus-mod

you just overwhelmed me cpull, a new WR... you are going fast! :banana:
08-07-2005, 02:54 PM
cpulloverclock

just lucky :)
08-07-2005, 02:58 PM
Thorry

God... that means you :p
08-07-2005, 04:11 PM
misteroadster

Nice Job cpull :toast:
08-07-2005, 04:22 PM
LowRun

Very nice clocks indeed :toast:
08-07-2005, 04:22 PM
FlyingHamster

Congrats! :toast:
08-07-2005, 04:32 PM
[XC] moddolicous

Really nice CPUlloverclock. I leave for 2 days like 2 weeks ago, and someone gets 69xx benchable, then I leave for another 2 days, and cpulloverclock gets 4g. Watch, next time I leave, someone getting 5ghz A64.
08-07-2005, 04:36 PM
skirms_fr

:lol2:
08-07-2005, 04:42 PM
Vincentvega18

Well done man, i know its only a few mhz above current wr, but that may as well be a mile (im sure you have backups). 57 POWER!!!!!! im seriously impressed.
08-07-2005, 06:49 PM
MAZ

Congrats!!! :clap:　 :toast:　 :clap:
08-07-2005, 07:00 PM
rick_fx

Nice! Almost 4.1 GHz :D
08-07-2005, 07:27 PM
[XC] moddolicous

Whats the highest your mem is benchable at? I think somewhere u said 290 or so?? 290 * 13= 3770 :( U have to fix that 14x multiplier fized. Is it with IHS on or off? I wanna see 4.1 :thumbsup:
08-07-2005, 07:50 PM
IYP

gratz man!!....i wana see 4.1!!!

GJ so far man keep pushin!!!
08-07-2005, 08:57 PM
teh_toidi

wow, thats incredible. i cant tell if it was this thread or the AC that gave me the chills. i cant wait to see 4.1! go for it!
08-07-2005, 09:05 PM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by moddolicous

Whats the highest your mem is benchable at? I think somewhere u said 290 or so?? 290 * 13= 3770 :( U have to fix that 14x multiplier fized. Is it with IHS on or off? I wanna see 4.1 :thumbsup:

with IHS, I think if I remove it I'll kill my cpu and the temperature will be worse
08-07-2005, 09:30 PM
Starks

Cpull, why didn't you use CPU-Z 1.30?

Also, why is the FX-57 detection so buggy?
08-07-2005, 09:44 PM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starks

Cpull, why didn't you use CPU-Z 1.30?

Also, why is the FX-57 detection so buggy?

cuz I didnt know it was available :rolleyes: :D

cuz I use the 309-1 bios
too old...
08-07-2005, 09:52 PM
TheMeatFrog

Well done cpulloverclock :clap:
08-07-2005, 09:57 PM
Athens[2004]

without ihs you will see +50 mhz max post , But the poin is that maybe you will hurt the cpu with the evaporator mount.
08-07-2005, 10:28 PM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Athens[2004]

without ihs you will see +50 mhz max post , But the poin is that maybe you will hurt the cpu with the evaporator mount.

50MHz lost with an extreme cooling

an IHS is very important at -40 -60C
08-07-2005, 11:00 PM
Athens[2004]

In my case [chiller@-20liquid] works like i report [+50 benchable +70,80mhz max post ,but maybe helps of the temp that on a cascade you dont need that avantage].

Under casdade you know better :D
08-08-2005, 12:30 AM
KamE38

WR freq amd :slobber: ...
08-08-2005, 12:48 AM
fredyama

Congratulations on a new AMD WR :toast: :clap: :clap:

We all had a hunch that you would make it -- from Team Japan :D :D :toast:

PS
Please clear some of your old pm in your inbox.
08-08-2005, 02:23 AM
afireinside

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

50MHz lost with an extreme cooling

an IHS is very important at -40 -60C

Why is it important? Doesn't make sense because it's just adding another layer of thermal transfer...

Awesome clocks though!
08-08-2005, 02:27 AM
skirms_fr

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

Why is it important? Doesn't make sense because it's just adding another layer of thermal transfer...

Awesome clocks though!

killing the core , and bye bye fx :eek:

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