http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/r...5317&forumid=1
awesome! :cheers:
Wow finally a somewhat affordable AMD dual core
That should mean a price drop come August 1st. GOOD! How do you rate 2 X 3200+ as 3800+. AMD PR rating is bunked to say the least.
meh, I wish it was 1MB L2/2.0ghz that would be sexy
No, I believe the same article says the 4200+ will remain at $547 or whatever it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by agenda2005
As for the PR rating, you need to understand that it is no longer a comparison to Prescott MHz (which is what the single core PR was, regardless of what AMD said officially for whatever (legal?) reasons).
Basically the PR numbers are not much more than model numbers, like the Opteron stuff, where higher = better performance within a family.
Not complete model numbers like the Opteron, because in that case, there would not be multiple flavors of 3800+ (Venice SC, and the coming X2 DC), so you still need to refer to "A64 3800+" or "A64 X2 3800+" to identify a part.
So, stop trying to equate them linearly to benchmark suites-- they don't make sense that way, regardless of the official line.
Just accept them as model numbers.
The 3800+ X2, while having the smaller L2, should be a nice overclocker, one would think, easily surpassing the stock 4600+ frequency of 2.4GHz.
Knew this was coming a while ago. They needed a lower clocked X2 to better compete with Intel.
Now pull out the dual core 1.6 GHz 1MB for 250 and I'm all over it :)
Yeah, that would presumably be an X2 4000+.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnyKnoxville
They may not release that part, as the die is bigger (199mm^2) so the margin is lower, and they can make a lot more selling that part as a Socket 939 Opteron 170.
The X2 3800+, being Manchester, is 147mm^2, so their cost is lower, more parts per wafer, and the only market segment is desktop, as these parts are not ever branded as Opterons.
For desktop DC unit market share, yes. (as opposed to performance :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
I doubt Toledo bins below 2.0GHz within the higher X2 TDP constraint of 110W, so they would only do this once they've satisfied all the demand they can get for 2.0GHz and above parts. (In the desktop space, anyhow.)Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
That sounds like a nice Taylor (DC mobile) part for 2006, though.
:slobber: :slobber: OMG , X2 Dual Core , i'm coming :D :banana:
You bet these are leftovers from 4200-4800, something's telling me you won't see much overclock from them.
first batch should oc like hell as always every body runs to buy them the next batch sux lol
Well this is good news, that price is much more inline with what the OCing crowed would like to see. I've not decided wich X2 I'm going to get yet, but I'm leaning towards the 4400+
the 4400 is nice if the stores sell them at the price they should 560$ but this for 345 is awesome at least you can OC @ 2.4 that is for sure and that is a 4600
wow, this is really nice :woot:
I am buying a 4400+ as soon as i sell this extra damn X850XT:PE i got laying here. I am hopeing for a nice overclock to atleast 2.6ghz
Excellent move by AMD...by coming down in price like that on the lower clock model, they compete with the Pentium D 2.8...except that this new X2 will likely walk all over the Pentium D for the same price.
This will make an excellent upgrade part for budget conscious users of older (and newer;)) Socket 939 boards. Well, they probably won't clock as high as a 4800+, it should still move up to 2.2-2.4ish without too much trouble.
I'm sure there will be some binning of these chips as the initial craziness over the X2 dies down a bit.:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
With X2 things are a little different. The primary constraint is POWER, not frequency.
The Rev E K8 core should have an excellent o/c from 2.0GHz, as long as you can cool it.
With 2 cores, you can only go as high as the worse of the two, but still, I'd think 2.6GHz should be achievable for most 3800+ X2s, with 2.4GHz almost guaranteed.
I don't think AMD is producing many K8 cores that run at 2GHz but not at 2.6GHz with a little voltage, at this point. Look at single core Venice o/c for guidance.
3800 7800gt dfi and a nice ram and you have a killer system wow now i have to sell all my HW LOOL
is this official , this is the first time I hear anyone talk about new X2 chips. How reliable is the source? August 1 is coming in like 3 weeks, I can see these chips to be even more RARE than the 4200+..... basically its probably a chip that you cant buy...
You may not see it exactly on Aug 1 in stores, but i bet they will be available before the first week of Aug is over. BTW WELCOME TO XS!!!!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by beatmag
The first time i heard about the lower end x2 was in anandtech's blog.
Agreed here :DQuote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
WelcomeX2toX2theX2Darkside :D
Ah, crud, that's about how much I paid for my San Diego 3700+!!!! :(
Does anybody want to buy a ***** that is guaranteed to reach *****? Cheap? I'm thinking the moment the Zalman CNPS-9500 comes out, if it performs as Zalman claims ("better than watercooling") there is NO way I will be able to resist getting dual-core with 9500 and OCing it until it's as fast as my current single-core CPU.
God have mercy on my wallet.
We have a Forum area for Selling Hardware. This IS NOT the place to try and sell your Hardware.
-Kunaak-
Wow this is great news!
Definetly gonna hold off on upgrading my CPU until these and preorder one :)
Definetly looking forward for the new Zalman CPU cooler as well
Wow...if they had only announced this in may, I'd have waited for this...
If these turn out to be good ocers (and also a reasonable UK price) then I may have downgrade from my current X2 4400+ :D
i'll go for it as soos as my budget blows :D :slap:
I know it will be hard but if this 3800+ can do 3 GHz will be awsome for this price.
At $345 I'm starting to warm up to the idea of an X2 replacing my P4 rig. Maybe in an extremely versitile "go anywhere do anything" (reasonably well) SFF type rig. Oh waitaminute ... I'm suppose to be saving up for a pair of 7800 cards. Nevermind. :rolleyes:
There has been a lot of speculation in X2 reviews about lower-end X2 processors, but this seems to be the first "mainstream" press acknowledgment of it. The price point is definitely good, and I'll be at ZZF with card in hand come August 1st. :-)
wow, very nice price that will be like the intel p-d.
very nice amd :toast:
English version
"AMD will also launch the Athlon 64 X2 3800+, which will be the cheapest dual-core processor in its Athlon 64 X2 line, according to sources at motherboard makers. The unit price of the 3800+ will be US$345, as compared to US$537 for the 4200+, AMD’s current entry-level dual-core part."
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050706A2006.html
This is excellent news. A dual core amd cpu for $350 that is very likely to overclock nicely makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Nice One!!!
This can be pleasant.
Depending on the results, it can be my first x2.
Tempting price with respect to 3700+ SD.
Post it on Ebay and will try to buy for less than $200Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
Yesterday I made 2 configs. 1) I finalized my 3700+ SD plan and then 2) I built an alternative Pentium D 3.0 GHz plan because it was a cheap dualie. I wanted a 4400+, but that was TWICE the cost of a 3700+ so I settled with a slower P-D. Now?? OMG throw both of them out 3800+ here I come.
I seriously wish for a 4000+ though... *prays*
Would 4000+ be 2 x 1meg and 2.0ghz?
4000+ could possibly be around 400 or so to bridge the gaps AMD leaves when they intro the 3800x2
Umm, I seem to have gotten a lot of interest in my *****. I should be a bit more clear: I'm not rushing to sell it now. I need a CPU to use until the X2 3800+ and the Zalman 9500 are actually available. It won't be appearing on Ebay anytime soon judging from the fact that Zalman hasn't even set a date for the 9500 to be released yet.
We have a Forum area for Selling Hardware. This IS NOT the place to try and sell your Hardware.
-Kunaak-
wow sweet X2 3800+, I am ready for it :D
Damn, will they even be able to deliver all these cpu's? The currenct X2's are hard enough to catch already hehe
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by fullup3
2 x 2000Mhz = 4000 for 1MB L2.
2 x 2000Mhz = 4000 - 200 = 3800 for 0.5MB L2
Half the cache 200 is removed from the model number.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=923832Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
Probably not avail anymore... but worth a try I guess.
What's ironic about this bit of mindless modding is that I WASN'T trying to sell my hardware. In fact the second post was me saying I WASN'T going to sell it so please stop emailing and messaging me. I guess that was kind of lost in translation or something. Maybe I should speak less grammatically correct English. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
Nice.. I'm gonna buy an X2 rig as well.. the whole project kinda overshoots my budget :D not sure if i'd got for the 3800 though.. I REALLY want that 1MB cache per core. So if there's no 4000+ it'll be a 4400+.. just waiting for that Zalman 9500 to become available now... hurry up zalman!!!