Modding Request for Neo2 - mem timings!

There have been a lot of problems arising with the MSI K8N Neo2 when overclocking and using memory dividers. It seems to be mainly due to the tighter Trc and Trfc timings that are used when the dividers are active. The Neo2 doesn't have the options available in the bios to change these timings, and A64tweaker isn't any use if the system won't make it into windows!

Is the anyone that has any idea about how to change the timings that the bios sets and mod the bios accordingly? If we could get the bios to use the same (looser, 1:1 ratio) timings on all dividers then this should solve the problem.

Can any bios modders help? :)

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EDIT: if anyone would like to take a look at the bios, the latest is v1.8f from here...

http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html

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Anyone know how to add extra voltage option to v1.8 bios, just like in v136Mod?
Come on, I'm messing with bios tools for hours and didn't accomplish anything. How in the world you add extra options into the bios?!?

Few minutes won't hurt for hardcore, bios modders to compare v136Mod with v1.8 and see what can be done.

I found somethin I didn't know before, extra voltages options in v1.36, v1.37 and v1.41 bioses were already there added there by MSI's bios writers :slapass: Only v1.36 bios had extra voltages activated

So that means that even the biggest noob could mod v1.36 bios to v1.36mod by using modbin6. Dammit, I thought they knew how to mod things, hex edit codes instead of clicking with modbin6

And for the mem timings, I hope that MSI will add those in the the next BIOS so the DFI w\ nFORCE3 will have a competitor in mean of rich bios settings.

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Originally Posted by need.for.mhz

I found somethin I didn't know before, extra voltages options in v1.36, v1.37 and v1.41 bioses were already there added there by MSI's bios writers :slapass: Only v1.36 bios had extra voltages activated

So that means that even the biggest noob could mod v1.36 bios to v1.36mod by using modbin6. Dammit, I thought they knew how to mod things, hex edit codes instead of clicking with modbin6

And for the mem timings, I hope that MSI will add those in the the next BIOS so the DFI w\ nFORCE3 will have a competitor in mean of rich bios settings.

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so they still use Modbin6? :slap:

adding new option in bios is impossible right now... :(
make a request to MSI ... hope they add it... in future bios :)

Tictac, they ( MSI I mean ) will release soon the BIOS v1,9 with SD & DC support, and they will stop producing new BIOS version...

just the typical MSI stuff...

ok... can anybody with this board get WPCREDIT screenshot of :

PCI Bus = 0# ; Device = 24# ; Function = 2#

what kinda trc & trfc value would you like it to be preset when running on divider?

here you go tictac

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=32471&stc=1

In my situation, when I run 1:1 ratio trfc is 14 clocks and trc is 11 clocks, however when I change to 5:6 (166) divider both trfc and trc go lower. When I change to 133 divider trfc and trc are drastically low.

I would like same vaules on all dividers. So same trfc and trc (in my situation 14, 11) on 200, 166, 133 etc. :)

THANKS TICTAC

I'd like a trc of 12 and trfc of 15 or 16... anything LOWER than 15 (14 or lower that is lol) results in a crash :D

:lol: i just over AMD section there is new bios for this board

they said got trc & trfc option build in ... lucky you :hehe:

get yer bios here :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=65782

MSI K8N Neo2 Modded bios :up:
Version : 18 R1

R1 Change Log from original 18
- Preset Trc & Trfc Patch (TRC = 13 & TRFC = 15) :woot:

* To enable trc & trfc patch you need to Enable Onboard GigaLan Device from bios menu.
* if problem occur Disabled Onboard GigaLan Device to disable trc&trfc patch

Download Link: :nono:
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...eo2-V18-R1.zip

tictac :toast:

OMG how did you do that? I am running 18 R1 BIOS right now, and my GSkill LE is stable at 275Mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T. I was never able to get it stable at 1T, no matter what I tired, TRC13 and TRFC15 seems to do it, I am running SuperPi 32M atm, thank you so much :woot: :toast:.
Is there any website that teaches how to mod the bios like this? I already did mods with cdbrom and modbin, but this stuff seems to be more difficult. It think I will take a closer look at this bios using a hex editor :stick:

Edit: I just finished SuperPi 32M :D. Could also make a BIOS with Trc 10 and Trfc 12 for me please :) ?

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Originally Posted by tictac

MSI K8N Neo2 Modded bios :up:
Version : 18 R1

R1 Change Log from original 18
- Preset Trc & Trfc Patch (TRC = 13 & TRFC = 15) :woot:

* To enable trc & trfc patch you need to Enable Onboard GigaLan Device from bios menu.
* if problem occur Disabled Onboard GigaLan Device to disable trc&trfc patch

Download Link: :nono:
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...eo2-V18-R1.zip

tictac :toast:

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Thanks tictac, you da man :D :bows:

thanks for the BIOS tictac :) you know how to mod things :D
now, if you have time, add your trc & trfc patch (same timings, 13 and 15) to v1.36Mod BIOS link . That will totally kick ass :toast:

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Originally Posted by need.for.mhz

thanks for the BIOS tictac :) you know how to mod things :D
now, if you have time, add your trc & trfc patch (same timings, 13 and 15) to v1.36Mod BIOS link . That will totally kick ass :toast:

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^^ yes!

that would totally pwn :). Using 1.36B bios but those timings loosened would be very nice. Having trouble getting my ram over 240mhz with 166 divider atm...

MSI K8N Neo2 Modded bios :up:
Version : 13mod R1

13mod-R1 Change Log from original 13mod
- Preset Trc & Trfc Patch (TRC = 13 & TRFC = 15) :woot:

* To enable trc & trfc patch you need to Enable Onboard GigaLan Device from bios menu.
* if problem occur Disabled Onboard GigaLan Device to disable trc&trfc patch

Download Link: :nono:
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...o2-13modR1.zip

tictac :toast:

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Originally Posted by need.for.mhz

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Anyone know how to add extra voltage option to v1.8 bios, just like in v136Mod?

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MSI K8N Neo2 Modded bios :up:
Version : 18 R2 :woot:

18-R2 Change Log from original 18
- Overclockers Bios Layout :slap:
- New Boot Up Logo :hehe:
- Dram Drive Strength : Normal / Weak
- Preset Trc & Trfc Patch (TRC = 13 & TRFC = 15)

* To enable trc & trfc patch you need to Enable Onboard GigaLan Device from bios menu.
* if problem occur Disabled Onboard GigaLan Device to disable trc&trfc patch

Download Link: :nono: (limited bandwith)
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...-Neo2-18R2.zip

tictac :toast:

do the extra voltages work or are they just enabled?

:sofa:...they just enabled :slap:

... as cosmetic features :lol2:

lol. There must be something in the 1.36B bios that isn't in any other bios that allows voltages above 10% to work :/.

btw: trying 13mod R1 now :)

edit: Well the results are good with 13mod R1. im gaining memory clocks due to the more relaxed timings :)
I can run relaxed memory timings without it getting unstable - before anything looser then 2.5-4-3-6 was unstable. now i can run CAS3 fine :fact: (which my memory loves and doesn't give a large performance hit either, the extra mhz makes up for it ;))

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Nice bios mod tictac am using it now and i like it :)

Write to read time (twtr) drops down to 1 with the dividers but 1:1 its 2 any chance that can be added as well. Also any way to sort out the 1t command. I have a san diego 3700+ and it defaults to 2t as your probably aware but is there a way to force it to 1t with a bios mod?

I have a spare bios chip so can do testing if needed.

i got the source code here...

feel free to use it as your need :woot:

A64 Memory Timing Patcher Source Code :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=384

Wow, thanks a lot Tictac, both for the modded bios and the source-code! :D :thumbsup:

Thanks for the code, but how do I use it? I compiled it with masm32, but cbrom errors "<file> is not BIOS ROM". What do I have to do to integrate it? :confused:

ya compile it with masm
install it with cbrom

1) Method as ISA ROM
Command:
cbrom biosname.bin /isa yourpatchfilename.bin

:woot:

2) Method as NIC or SATA rom
you need to hack the rom file and inject the new code there

Good Luck :woot:

Well I killed my BIOS :(. Board just hangs after the NIC rom...Alt+F2 doesnt work to bring up the builtin flasher...looks like i gotta hotflash the board. The only person I know who has the same board just sent it back for RMA, ironic isnt it?

if it boots as far as the nic rom cant you just disable it in the bios then flash back to 1.8 official.

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MSI K8N Neo2 Modded bios
Version : 18 R2

18-R2 Change Log from original 18
- Overclockers Bios Layout
- New Boot Up Logo
- Dram Drive Strength : Normal / Weak
- Preset Trc & Trfc Patch (TRC = 13 & TRFC = 15)

* To enable trc & trfc patch you need to Enable Onboard GigaLan Device from bios menu.
* if problem occur Disabled Onboard GigaLan Device to disable trc&trfc patch

Download Link: (limited bandwith)
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtr...N-Neo2-18R2.zip

tictac

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Yes, this is the best BIOS I ever used yet. Sorry to bug you, you seem as a very busy man :p:
This what I would like to see and probably many others in 18 Rev.3

Add these memory optimizations on all dividers so they always will be set at those valuses:

- Read Write Queue Bypass = 16x
- Bypass Max = 7x
- Idle Cycle Limit = 256 clks
- Up TRFC to 18 clks on all dividers

^^^^^^^^^ These do not harm performance at all, while they
boost stability big time. They also increase overall memory overclock. I testet it.


Some cosmetic touch ups :hehe::

- Fix voltage control tab if possible so on right of "voltage control" option it will say [Press Enter]

again, ya da man tictac :toast:

oh... if my geocities running out of bandwith you can also get it here on my website:

http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/modu...ownload&cid=35

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Wow, I accidentally clicked on reply instead of the PM button. sorry!

I couldn't change voltage on 1.8r2. I am using 1.8r1 and it works fine though. ANd, somebody PLEASE make a bios with the below settings. I set them in A64 tweaker and I am finally stable at 270x9.

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Originally Posted by need.for.mhz

Yes, this is the best BIOS I ever used yet. Sorry to bug you, you seem as a very busy man :p:
This what I would like to see and probably many others in 18 Rev.3

Add these memory optimizations on all dividers so they always will be set at those valuses:

- Read Write Queue Bypass = 16x
- Bypass Max = 7x
- Idle Cycle Limit = 256 clks
- Up TRFC to 18 clks on all dividers

^^^^^^^^^ These do not harm performance at all, while they
boost stability big time. They also increase overall memory overclock. I testet it.


Some cosmetic touch ups :hehe::

- Fix voltage control tab if possible so on right of "voltage control" option it will say [Press Enter]

again, ya da man tictac :toast:

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Lol, nevermind about the voltage. However, when I flashed into the 1.8r2 mod twice from Windows. Every other bios flashed fine, but this one had some monor problems. It completed then tired to reboot, but hung after it shutdown. I had to power off power on. My overclocks are also scetchy on it.

I just reflashed to your r1 and the normal; the smae thing happened. It wouldn't reboot and I am getting worse overclock results.

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Originally Posted by tictac

ya compile it with masm
install it with cbrom

1) Method as ISA ROM
Command:
cbrom biosname.bin /isa yourpatchfilename.bin

:woot:

2) Method as NIC or SATA rom
you need to hack the rom file and inject the new code there

Good Luck :woot:

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Is it possible for this to be activated by anything other than the GIGALAN? for example the EPA logo? As this would mean that people who don't have this device activated can still use the code?

i have no luck with epa logo hack... sorry :(
let me know if you can get it into epa logo option :)

Tictac,

MSI-K8N-Neo2-18R2 I cannot enter the voltage screen to set it. Also I would like to request that those setting mention above be incorporated into MSI-K8N-Neo2-18R1. Thank you for your hard work again.

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MSI-K8N-Neo2-18R2 I cannot enter the voltage screen to set it. Also I would like to request that those setting mention above be incorporated into

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oh yes you can, if option isn't highlighted it doesn't mean you can not choose it

Hi tictac

; Memory Clock Frequency(dch)
mcf_data equ 0FF8FFFFFh ; Memory Clock Frequency (3bit)
mcf_100 equ 000000000h ; 100MHz
mcf_133 equ 000200000h ; 133MHz
mcf_166 equ 000500000h ; 166MHz
mcf_200 equ 000700000h ; 200MHz (1:1)

Any idea what the function is for 183 divider ? 000600000h ?

... and 150/140 divider ?

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Hi tictac

; Memory Clock Frequency(dch)
mcf_data equ 0FF8FFFFFh ; Memory Clock Frequency (3bit)
mcf_100 equ 000000000h ; 100MHz
mcf_133 equ 000200000h ; 133MHz
mcf_166 equ 000500000h ; 166MHz
mcf_200 equ 000700000h ; 200MHz (1:1)

Any idea what the function is for 183 divider ? 000600000h ?

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mcf_133+ equ 000300000h
mcf_150 equ 000400000h
mcf_183 equ 000600000h

:)

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Originally Posted by digitalfrost

mcf_133+ equ 000300000h
mcf_150 equ 000400000h
mcf_183 equ 000600000h

:)

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mcf_140 equ 000300000h ?

Don't know A64Tweaker says 133+, but it should be 140 then :stick:

Thanks for answer digitalfrost :)

I Plan to force 183 divider on boot in a modded bios. Ill give 1.9 bios a few more days though hopefully it will have the 183 divider in it so i wont need to bother.

Well, tictac, i'd really like to see those changes in a new bios rev. hope you'll be able to find some free time for doing them :stick:

lil bump here...

i was just wondering if any progress has been made since the last posts here? looks like you guys found some nice finds...i'm starting to think that i have a probem with the trfc timings aswell. with 1:1 and the 166 i am able to push my ram to 227, no problem...with 133, its very unstable and my max results very before a crash. Sometimes a 1mhz bump in clockgen will freeze and sometimes I'm able to get it around 180fsb -- still very shy of the ram's rated speeds...

input please!