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???? :confused:
I thought the purpose of the official thread was to engulf all of the smaller threads...What exactly is the point of this one ??
Perkam
The purpose of this thread is for discussion and BS :D the other thread "The Official San Diego Overclocking Thread" is only for result, moderator probably wanted to keep those two overclocking threads nice and clean, easier for everyone to see the results instead of reading bunch of other stuff. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
The purpose of the "official" thread is for forum members to display their overclocking accomplishments. I weeded out 4 pages of this from the other thread: "Oooh. I hope my chip does that!"..."But is it Prime stable?"..."What's the default multiplier on that again?"...Where did you buy it?"..."Is it worth it?"
The point of this thread is for all other discussions with regard to the overclocks in the "official" thread. A lot of forum members like to get straight to the point with the screenshots without having to sift through a mile of smileys and other posts.
yeah, good idea.
And btw, I like San Diego... so far on AIR, it rocks, it's fast as hell. If it's benchable at 3500mHz++ at -40C... it'll make FX 130nM obsolete.
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Originally Posted by charlie
how high did you get it up to and still prime stable on air?
I don't do Prime, I "bench"... 400m sprinters don't run marathons. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
FWIW, I can "loop" 3D at 2860mHz...
btw, nice fish, you keep aquariums? Aulonocara there?
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Originally Posted by charlie
nice....is there any reason why you chose the 4000 over the 3700? I'm still waiting for my 3700 and toying with the idea of getting the 4000 instead, this wait is killing me! :D
yup, I have a 55 Gal African Cichlid tank in the dining room packed with Aulonocara Rubescen and Maleri, have some other haps and mbuna to keep them company. I've been line-breeding the Rubescen and Demasoni(mbuna) for about 3 years....this project is going to take forever! :lol2: though these little buggers keep me sane and they're fun to watch. :D
all 4000+ have a 0515 SPMW core stepping?
32M@3.18GHz with a mach I and 1.53v???Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
Damn... Hat down, sir :) Finally, it wasn't that hard was it ? :) Thanks a lot, John!Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
Doing 32M on modded mach @ almost 3.2GHz is what I was looking for! Calculation time could have been surely better (more tweaking and all), but hell, this chip looks good. Still tad expensive, though :(
Good work John, keep pushing this baby :)
I have the same time at 3087MHz with 12x257 :)
Can you guys post what you are using to cool?
ADA3700DAA5BN
CABGE0512XPMW
Got mine from Monarch yesturday, but only had an opportunity to install it today.
So far @ 1.58v 312x9 = 2808mhz using XP120. I ran prime for about 30min without issues so apears to be 100% but have only spent an hour or so with it. I get memory errors at 313 and above and not sure if its the controller or memory settings so I'll have to spend more time with it tomorrow. Sorry but can't upload pics atm.
I'll have more time tomorrow to play, and will try to max it out on XP120 and post some pics.
That's true... With good tweaking this should have been below 23:00, but I don't think that it was John's purpose to get THE best time... I still like that screenie VERY much :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
yep, under 23 at 3130MHzQuote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
awesome results on WC :)Quote:
Originally Posted by computersmsa
Is it too early to say these 4000+ SDs are looking pretty damn good? Even low voltage air cooling results are terrific. Looks as though water should take most to 3ghz and single stage phase another 200mhz+. Seems like a good idea to pick up the 4000+ while it reigns as the fastest 90nm process chip. One the next FX debuts I'm thinking the 4000+ results are sure to slide down a bit.
Edit: Whoops just saw the new official San Diego BS ( I mean "dicussion") thread right after I posted this. Weed this out with the rest. Apologies tendered.
Nope, not too early. And it's a great chip to hold over until FX57.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
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Someonewant to tell me the difence between the vinince and the San Diego?
SD: 1MB CacheQuote:
Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
Venice: 512k Cache
Otherwise both are the same.
Perkam
Yeah, and that extra cache makes a big dif. In my X800XL competition, the guy above me is packing a 3113mHz Winny, running at like 330HTT, my little old SD at 2880 spanks it in Lobby and nearly matches it in Car Hi...Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
In fact, I even get a feeling that it is faster clock for clock than an FX55.
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Havent you said that somewhere else too ???? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
But yes SD > Venice cos of cache....me gets bored after a while of regurgitating the same info 10x times :( :shakes:
Anyhoo, would love to see an FX-53 go up against a 3700+...that'd be...interesting. :cool:
Perkam
Wow, gotta love cache. I would kill to see a 2 meg AMD64. How is the pricing compaired to the vince?
oooooh sounds nice.. OPB's 4000+ Sandy is mine soon :DQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
YAY Newb question two is... how many fingers...do i have? ...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock....tick tock... !!BUZZZZZ!!!...The Answer is 15 John, Yeah !!!...I'm sorry, but the real answer is 6 !!!!..Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
*Crowd goes AWWWWWW*
Anyhoo, srry lol, go anywhere...no seriously, just go, go NOW !!!...ahem..i mean go to monarch computer and type in 3700+, 4000+, 3500+, 3200+, etc.
If you find a "Rev E" processor with 512k its Venice, if you find a Rev E with 1MB Cache, its a San Diego. San Diego comes in two flavours: 3700+ and 4000+, eclipsing the previous 4000+ ClawHammer 1MB, and Venice comes in 3000+, 3200+, 3500+ and 3800+ all eclipsing their Winchester and Newcastle 939 counterparts.
Perkam
hahahah sorry to anoy you. Been out of the loop for awhile...thought there were not yet releced in the states yet. Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
My bad ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
The 3700+ Retail right now $344 at Monarch and the 4000+ SD is $540. The Venice 3000+ Retail is $164, 3200+ is $209, 3500+ is $287 and the 3800+ is $389. (all retail prices, oem are like $10 lower)
Your best bet for San Diego is the 3700+ hands down. The Venice choice is a tad more complicated. The 3200+ as its clocking better than some 3500+s, and the 3800+ is a tad much, especially for onl 512k, so the 3200+ is best, what you save, I'd buy some nice VX with and use a divider and take it to 2.8ghz at 2-2-2. (only cos the 3500+s are not doing so great)
Perkam
ya, pretty steep for that +4000 part...and with dual core coming in a couple of months and M2 sockets coming out next year, I think I might have to pass on the +4000. To bad, I wanted to make this clawhammer a folding machine.
Heard good things about puting in mis-mached memory with the new mem controler, how are you guys making out with your ram configurations?
Gsus Freak, this isnt a free for all, pls post specific questions in their respective forums, this is for the San Diego parts only :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
Perkam
Ok, I will be more spicific. Has anyone tried to put 4x512 meg sticks in the SD. I know the venice had problems like all the rest of AMD64 chips.
I need 2 gigs for the programs that I run, might get the +4000 cause I'm horible at waiting.
I need to use 4x512 double sided/ 2 bank ram. Hopefully that will work as a specific question :)
Edit: And by work, I mean boot and work in t1 settings.
how is the great sandiego on overclock??? 3700+, 4000+ or another??
Thats what I want to know as well, and how does it oc with all four dims occupied?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
Wait so how do you get the times in Super Pi to have decimals? I get full seconds, or is my computer just too slow... =/
Super Pi Mod v1.4Quote:
Originally Posted by dmo580
From what i heard the fixes in the memory controller allowed 1t at DDr400 speeds with single sided ram but only 333 with 2 sided.
Getting my 3700 san diego tommorow :)
Oh My !!!!!!! you guys are really coming out of the WoodWork Arent you lol :eek:Quote:
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FYI There is a thread strictly for San Diego overclockers here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=59406 ...to view their overclocking results, however you may only post there if you have actual resutls, all other inquiries have to be posted here.
As for four dimms, yes it is true that it depends on the mem controller, but at 2GBs, it begins to depend on the memory as well. UTT prolly wont do 2-2-2 even at stock DDR400 timings afaik...but you might be able to overclock to DDR400 or a tad more, but dont expect DDR250, even at 5v lol with four dimms. TCCD should be the way to go for Four Dimms, it should boot at cas 2.5 for DDR400 up to DDR 500 if you're lucky (guess). I dont have a lot of experience with AMD + Four Dimms but I do not that AMD's mem controllers do allow for tighter timings and higher fsb at those timings compared to Intel. However, anyone who wants to put 2gb of memory into their system shouldnt expect to see high overclocks in the first place.
Oh and btw, to all those who just joined...
:banana: :welcome: WELCOME TO XS !!!!!!! :welcome: :banana:
Perkam
Hey. I jumped to a laptop after my Athlon 1100. For that reason I'm really behind. All my understanding comes from reading stuff. So I'm assuming when I build my system in the summer, I will be ready if I just keep reading these threads =P
Well as newb as I may be here, I have been all over Anandtech and Futuremark for years, so I guess it was time to head here for better overclockers =)
Well thats just it, its still conjectjure and I asked this question when they were testing the first venice but I stilll haven't seen anyone really try it with true tested results. I know about the oc thread thats why I posted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Nice to know...In that case, the Search tool is your friend though..Anything you need it will find for you. And when it gives you results, you can search in side the thread as well :) cos there's a "Search" button at the first page of each thread as well ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dmo580
Perkam
Hey,
I found that running revE chip to be hotter than Winchester. My previous winchester 3000+ at 1.65v load temp 50C but with SD 3700+ 1.63v load temp jumps to 58C. This is on air (XP90+tornado). Is it just me or the heatsink is not properly seated?
Thanks for sharing.
Most likely not well seated, try again, if you're getting consistant results, your IHS might not be very well 'poxyd on. If that's the case, sigh leave it be or it'll have to go under the knife.Quote:
Originally Posted by dexth77
Argh why does no one post 32M SuperPI screenshots, all you need to run a 1M is 25 seconds of no bsod. :(
Also, the cure period for whatever TIM may not have been completed, but this will only be a percentage of your descrepency. Rev E processors do run a bit warmer then the winchesters, But not as hot as the 130nm varients.Quote:
Originally Posted by viccyran
Some people just don't have the patience to run a 30-minute benchmark. I always make it a point to run 32M and kill the time by washing dishes, taking a shower, or just watching TV for a little while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
There's one 32M run to be found in the OC thread. ;)
i have my new sandiego 3700 and it will prime at 2650 but will superpi up to 2850 so i agree with that.
i got a problem tho has anyone gotten a big memory performance loss especially in memtest i lost 300 mb/s with the diego????? why is that. im using all the exact same settings cpu speed mem speed and timings i loose over 300 mb/s its like i have 2t timing but i dont its 1t. also everest shows a big bandwidth loss i got 7700 read now i get about 5600 read??? why
btw my old cpu is a xp3000 and my mobo is dfi of course i tried a few bios and they have the same results of loss of bandwidth
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What's TIM?Quote:
Originally Posted by NotoriousMike
32m SuperPI at 2805mhz 26min 29secQuote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
Monarch, monarch. More than a week and no sign of my SD 3700, the new ETA is now May 19, though "the stock is arriving all tha time." How could that be?
Thermal interface materialQuote:
Originally Posted by dexth77
It's all good 3306mHz under DI, 26s superPi at 3106...
cool beans!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=29743
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On Zalman 7000Cu
1. No jumping off to High CPU/FSB off the bat (burning in @ 10x260 to get something stable.)
2. BW is attrocious compared to my 9x300 winnie.
3. First tests don't imply any capability for signicantly tighter timings @ a given speed.
Time and water will tell but...
My gut tells me that this may be a below average chip instead of the wonder chips you have all been showing :mad: :brick:
I've just received my DFI SLI-DR and my Gskill 4800 FF,
Now I'm just waiting for my 3700+ San diego,
Which is the best bios version to use in the DFI ?
That means AS5 or stuffs like that right?Quote:
Originally Posted by NotoriousMike
Well, I figured out the problem, it seems like the bios version higer than 1.36 is giving me roughly about ~10C higher temps, i've tried 1.41, 1.5, 1.62, 1.8...kind of strange...not i'm back around 31C idle/48C load at 1.6v with 1.36mod.
Thanks.
I ordered a 3700+ san diego today from overclockers.co.uk. Hope they delivers fast to sweden :)
Anyone on air seeing strange things with 12x multi? With my 4000+ at 225*12 1.45v it won't boot but 245*11, 270*12, and 300*9 all boot without issue.
I also noticed that this thing runs just a little warmer than my Winchester at the same clock speeds. Even with the Winchester having higher volts. Maybe I should take her top off....
I'll have some water results tonight.
Ordered 2 3700+'s from Monarch, Ill be sticking with air for a while.
Anyone yet to push 4x 512M sticks to the limits?
Forgot to mention that I tried 4x512 TwinMOS "AA4T" last night and it failed to boot even after clearing the CMOS. It would boot with only 1-3 or 2-4 but not all 4 dimms.
I'll try to get my hands on 4 sticks of some TCCD's tonight.
Yes, AS5 will be an example.
Charlie, you said on the oc results thread that you are not on phasechange? how are you getting those temps then? Im assuming some awesome waterchiller setup.
Also, b518 why are your temps so high? I can only assume your case ambiet air is warm becuase you live in Hawaii. LUCKY .
@ not. mike:
DI = Dry Ice (charlies favorite cooling fun :D )
Can anybody please answer the question I asked a few posts ago about the bios version for the DFI SLI-DR and the San Diego with the Gskill 4800 FF ?
I think Oskars beta bios 414-1, 414-2 & 414-3 support venice, san diego.Quote:
Originally Posted by PicaXuu
The 414-3 BIOS works great for me with my Winbond UTT and 4000+ San Diego.Quote:
Originally Posted by PicaXuu
Isn't the 414-1 a better choice for me because my mems are TCCD ?
Thank you :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by OCfreak
414-3 is just the changes from 414-1 and 414-2 combined isnt it? BTW where did you get the FF? :OQuote:
Originally Posted by PicaXuu
Just to let you know, my previous voltage setting passed prime for a little over 5 hours then failed. Your setting may not be 100% stable if that's what you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Slaughter
I don't think 10x283 is going to be prime stable with the XP120, maybe with the IHS off or a higher cfm fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
9x300 is definetly prime stable, ran it last night. I can't get my memory to be stable 100% at anything above 302 (same thing as with my Winnie) I blamed it on the controller but IMO its the memory now. So I'll probably settle for 2700mhz 9x300 (same as my Winnie) for 24/7. Plus it does 2700mhz at 1.55v instead of the 1.66 I have to run it at for 2800mhz.
I'd say very cool beans!Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
letting you all know that monarch should be getting in retail SD's in a few days. i emailed them inquiring about my OEM part (the 6th was posted on the site when i ordered, and now it says 19th for OEM), and they said they may upgrade me to retail. good on them:)
charlie
is that gamming stable? Is it prime stable? What temps are you at, and what is your cooling solution?
That is some great stuff. I might just break down and get one. Have it be my gaming rig and have the dualy be my work machine.
But want to hear how your cooling it first, I dont have phase change yet, that is a while off.
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Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
Dry ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
ouch...thats some cold styff right there
If I am not mistaken, isn't 4 ght the record for an amd? I wonder if it is posible to get the SD that far, I have high hopes. Think I might just order one tommorw. (thanks conrad :) )
Nice :D , What are you doing about the cold bug ?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Just be aware the SD has the cold bug which affects phase change and other ultra extreme cooling - the only systems capable of getting the 4000+ to near 4 ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
260 x 11 so far @ 2-2-2-5 1:1
http://www.hvweb.co.uk/wingz/3700+.jpg
http://www.hvweb.co.uk/wingz/3700+A.JPG
The coldbug is at -80C or something like that, isn't it? Also, Im sure the fx-57 won't have this coldbug, people would boycott amd's headquaters if it did. :cool:
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Originally Posted by (sin)morpheus
count me in.
I just got myself a 3700+ SD chip, it's week 15 SPMW if I remember correctly, so far only 250x11 (2750) and 1.65Volts... Doesn't seem to like low voltages though... any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by pershoot
I'm on the same boat and have been waiting for my OEM 3700 SD pre-order since 4/19/05, Monarch have the Retail 3700 San Diego listed on their website IN STOCK now, emailed Joe this morning about it and he upgraded my OEM pre-ordered to this Retail box that they just got in today, and also upgraded my 2 days shipping to overnight, all these at no extra cost...SWEET!! I can't wait to receive mine tomorrow, Monarch have got another very happy and satisfied customer for life!! :toast:
So far how high can you guys OC your San Diego on air to and still prime stable or 3Dmark loop ?? I think we need a database to keep all the OC records and steppings we got :D :D
I'm in a dilemma of whether to get a SD 3700+ or a Venice 3500+. Guys you think which one will be a better performer? :D in terms of overclocking..
u get 1MB L2 with 3700+ SD. i'd go for that, since your already paying that high of a price.
I'm running the Venice 3200 now but will find out soon enough how well the 3700 SD gonna OC against it :D :D though so far all the SD are running pretty hot, not sure if I could get it up to 2.9 on air...Quote:
Originally Posted by webbyboy
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Originally Posted by pershoot
My ultimate intention is to get more clocks out of it, or rather getting it above 2.7Ghz and i'd be very happy. but it's like another $60 more for that 1mb cache. is it worth? does the cache do many wonders?
its a nice boost. i wouldnt call it earth shattering though...
is it worth the 60USD? hmm.. thats debatable..
extra cache means about 5% gain. And Charlie already said that it is faster clock for clock vs FX55
Charlie may have said that, but has never been tested...and most likely the gains are from the 90nm architecture and the SSE3 and other Rev E goodies...but not by much and a well overclocked FX-55 is still king around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
3700+ San Diego vs 3500+ Venice at stock is more than a 5% gain...they are practically world apart, especially ppl with 3200+ Venices have had more luck than Venice 3500+ owners lol
btw, mcbarnet...Your sig...You tried to write "Mobo: Dfi ...." but it read it as "Mobo :D fi " lol...hence the smiley...just put a space after "Mobo:" and you'll be fine ;)
Perkam
I have no evidence of that, it's merely a "feeling" I have...Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
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I just wondering those temp on the SD OC Thread, it's like hovering around 28-32, is it in airconditioning room? Or is it the weather temp is at that temperature? my winchester no oc it's at 36 degree.
I know Charlie said it's a feeling but I think he's been here long enough to know what he's talking about. Can someone just run some test and see how FX55 do clock for clock vs SD?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
When I said 3700+ is 5% faster than 3500+ I was refering to stock. And the only difference between the two is cache that's why I said the extra cache will give you 5% performance boost minimum clock for clock. I thought this has been well established already.
Yes, don't get 3500+, I have one and it sux. You'll prob be better off buying two 3000+ and one will prob turn out to be a good clocker.
LOL, I know my sig is messed up but it just looks funny so I kept it that way. Going to change it soon anyways.
btw, after removing IHS on my 3700 I hit 3ghz 16M stable (no time to run 32M) on water with 1.65v. However it scored the same as 2.9ghz cuz I had to run in divider. Will post after conrad gives me permission.
Time for lunch. Will update after that =D
Just wundering about something, I'm kinda keen on ordering a SD 3700+ from Monarch Computers, but I live in norway and I can't see any shipping information! Do they send internationally :confused:
The San Diego's won't reach Norway before june I believe and the prices in Norway are stupid high! I have sent them an e-mail about this question, but they are ignoring me! :slapass:
Im not a happy camper one day before monarch is suppose to get 4000 procs in they lower the price by about 60-70 bucks. Im thinkin of cnaceling my order and waiting if I have to get another order. Maybe if I call in the morning they'll give em to me at lower price? Since tecnically they haven't finished processing my order.
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Originally Posted by MsB
There is a thread about this already, yes email them and they will refund the difference in price. ;)
What is the deal with Super Pi ??? I can't get the SD to pass 16 or 32 meg regardless of OC, voltages, memory settings etc ? but I can run prime95 all day long !!! whats the trick ?
I've never really used Super Pi to bench, only to test for stablity and even then only usually run 1, 2, and 4 meg so I'm not real sure what the deal is with the 16 and 32 ! :D
curious major, i'm having the opposite problem. superPI is being awesome, but prime95 hates me, and proceeds to spew out 100 warnings, but no errors :confused:
heh, I play CS:S for an hour and it usually tells me if something is wrong.
Some benchmarks don't utilize all parts of your CPU. Thus, it's best to be sure you're stable in: Prime, SuperPi, 3DMark, and some game you play a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Slaughter
With bh-5 ? I am tryin to find out if its my ram or my motherboard that wont let me use 1t above 200fsb. Got any ideas. I am currnetly at 2915 mhz with my dieing tccd ram.
wow so IHS off is good correct? should i take it off for my DD unit?