Ok, here we go, firts test with Venice 3500+

Hi guys!!

A friend of mine, a great Clocker, gandalfone, has bought a Venice 3500+ and it's awesome :)

But stop talking and start with a load of screen.

Testbed:

- AMD 3500+ Venice CBBLE 0504EPAW
- DFI SLI-DR
- 2*256MB Mushkin BH-5
- 2*6800Ultra
- Zalman 7000

All the screen is on air with Zalman 7000 at vcore default = 1.360V and he doesn't want to make a score with PI, only want to know the quality of CPU and reach the first simple limit

First run, no problem with last version of CPU-Z:

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/immagini/venice1.JPG

Up with TCCD, but over he has problem to clock the cpu with 1:1, so he put on the Mushkin and...oh you'll see :D :

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...venice2500.JPG

Here with BH-5, no matter the ram frequency ;) :

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...venice2700.JPG

This is the end, for the moment, obviously:

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...venice2790.JPG

With BH5@1:1:

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...enice30sec.JPG

Here a little bit of stability with 3dMark2001:

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...d2001_2750.JPG

For intermediate screen you can look here: www.MemoryExtreme.it

In the weekend more test will be made, soon we can see this little baby under dry ice, from the serial I think that it can bench really close to pc ice (with 3500+ Venice of s7e9h3n), isn't it?

So guys what do you think about this CPU?? It's the first Venice of the world that go to a normal end user? We're really curious about it :D

Once again, I want to specify that all the stuff and test was made by my friend gandalfone :woot:

Wow great chip! Congratulations! :banana:

Excellent! I like these real world results, that way normal people know what they can expect. Thanks for taking the time to test for us! :toast:

Nice chip but as there's nothing Xtreme maybe you should have use the "Venice OC thread" in the AMD section.

nice results...I'm looking forward to grabbing a venice soon

nice try to go a bit higher with proc. and ram

What shall it do under more voltage?

wow, nice results. Cant wiat to see the first 4ghz venice/san diego.

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Originally Posted by Waus-mod

What shall it do under more voltage?

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go higher, bh5 love volts, venice are like tccd dont like it to much

I can bench my 3200+ winnie at 2875 on air with my TCCD 1:1. So far venice has nothing for me.

bleh

Why is it people with Venice insist on showing overclocks with stock voltage.... and then show nothing else. Yea, it can do what I can with them only using stock voltage, but what is it's max with 24/7 voltage or high up?

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

Why is it people with Venice insist on showing overclocks with stock voltage.... and then show nothing else. Yea, it can do what I can with them only using stock voltage, but what is it's max with 24/7 voltage or high up?

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From what I've read Venice usually has a point where it doesn't gain anything from more voltage, and it seems to be very low. I'm sure this CPU still has a lot left in it since this is with stock voltage but lets give him some time, these are just the first tests he's run to see how far it would go on stock voltage, I'm sure we'll see him up the voltage fairly soon.

So what happened to 3ghz all the rumors of 3ghz as a possible overclock? Is 2.7ghz all these things can do on air? That's a bit dissapointing because I was looking foward to getting one just to be able to say I had 3ghz.:(

This is only 1 CPU, you can't draw a conclusion about all Venice CPU's from it. Let's just wait for more people to test Venice and San Diego chips before deciding on how good they are.

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

So what happened to 3ghz all the rumors of 3ghz as a possible overclock? Is 2.7ghz all these things can do on air? That's a bit dissapointing because I was looking foward to getting one just to be able to say I had 3ghz.:(

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Not everyone has the proper recipe to overclock to the outer limits you know. People dont have the right psu, weak memory, lack of knowledge or a crappy stepping.
Why dont you buy a Venice 3000+ and show us what you can do with it instead of insulting the guy.

so ive seen venice OC better than the last winnie so i dont know what is expecting the people here...

better clock for clock cpu and still complainigh OC nice than most winnies and is just the begining maybe later they can reach further...

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Originally Posted by HiJon89

This is only 1 CPU, you can't draw a conclusion about all Venice CPU's from it. Let's just wait for more people to test Venice and San Diego chips before deciding on how good they are.

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Of course, that's like saying all 3000+ Winnies can do 2.85ghz on air. I'm just saying, why didn't this guy in particular raise the voltage at all?

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Originally Posted by The Mofo

Not everyone has the proper recipe to overclock to the outer limits you know. People dont have the right psu, weak memory, lack of knowledge or a crappy stepping.
Why dont you buy a Venice 3000+ and show us what you can do with it instead of insulting the guy.

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By no means am I insulting him. I'm just curious as to what his proc can do with a voltage above 1.4v. His memory isn't a problem because A) he runs it at a ratio near stock and B) he has BH5 running at 250mhz, but at 2-2-2-5. He could raise the timings for the sake of testing the processor's potential.

wow, nice results with def. vcore.... :toast:

Wow, 33s in SP1M at only 250*10 1:1

I get about 35s with a 9x multi and TCCD 1:1

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

Of course, that's like saying all 3000+ Winnies can do 2.85ghz on air. I'm just saying, why didn't this guy in particular raise the voltage at all?


By no means am I insulting him. I'm just curious as to what his proc can do with a voltage above 1.4v. His memory isn't a problem because A) he runs it at a ratio near stock and B) he has BH5 running at 250mhz, but at 2-2-2-5. He could raise the timings for the sake of testing the processor's potential.

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Well you never suggested that to him. Maybe you should ask him if he would do that? So far, the Venice's are doing much better than the winnies.

Nice cpu Toki :banana:

4 all: He did only test with stock voltage because he's busy with work ;) ....

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Originally Posted by Toki

In the weekend more test will be made, soon we can see this little baby under dry ice, from the serial I think that it can bench really close to pc ice (with 3500+ Venice of s7e9h3n), isn't it?

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Congrats, seems you got a good one there :up: . Seems to me, the review samples have had a little better luck than the regular retail Venices. Here's my old 3500+ (chunkylover77 owns it now):
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/1463/3500venice8jw.jpg

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

So what happened to 3ghz all the rumors of 3ghz as a possible overclock? Is 2.7ghz all these things can do on air? That's a bit dissapointing because I was looking foward to getting one just to be able to say I had 3ghz.:(

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On stock hsf ;) :
http://img60.echo.cx/img60/5866/12x2501ix.jpg

Awesome. I believe CPU-Z 1.27.6 has support for Venice now.

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Originally Posted by The Mofo

Well you never suggested that to him.

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Toki's friend Gandalfone has the processor, not Toki.

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Congrats, seems you got a good one there :up: . Seems to me, the review samples have had a little better luck than the regular retail Venices. Here's my old 3500+ (chunkylover77 owns it now):
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/1463/3500venice8jw.jpg

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Hey that looks familiar. :woot:

If it's doing ~2.8 on stock, it should do 3 GHz with more vcore. However, what is the 100% stable speed @ stock vcore?

Yo men, I'll try to answer to all :D

But first, one thing: in my first post I've clearly said that is the first quick test, and in the weekend more test would been made, so I cant' understand why many of you have to post against this, if I have post in a wrong section of Xs a mod can move to the right when he wants, no problem.

Also post without say nothing like 'bleh' or 'My winny do more, so venice isn't for me' I think are useless for me and other :)

However I send a PVT to a mod for clarify the situation and put this 3d to the right section.

Now go with real answer ;)

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

Of course, that's like saying all 3000+ Winnies can do 2.85ghz on air. I'm just saying, why didn't this guy in particular raise the voltage at all?

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Yo man!!

I think you haven't read properly my first post ;)

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

By no means am I insulting him. I'm just curious as to what his proc can do with a voltage above 1.4v. His memory isn't a problem because A) he runs it at a ratio near stock and B) he has BH5 running at 250mhz, but at 2-2-2-5. He could raise the timings for the sake of testing the processor's potential.

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You're wrong with the second point: BH5 don't gain anything with relax the timings, but memory isn't a problem for gandalfone, his BH5 go clock really good.

And in case if you can gain doing that, it's not more than 2-3MHz 2.5-3-3-8, so where's the gain??

BH5 isn't TCCD but I'm sure that you already know this.

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Originally Posted by HiJon89

From what I've read Venice usually has a point where it doesn't gain anything from more voltage, and it seems to be very low. I'm sure this CPU still has a lot left in it since this is with stock voltage but lets give him some time, these are just the first tests he's run to see how far it would go on stock voltage, I'm sure we'll see him up the voltage fairly soon.

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Thanks HiJon89 for the nice word and for wait patient more test :toast:

Thanks also to The Mofo.

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Congrats, seems you got a good one there :up: . Seems to me, the review samples have had a little better luck than the regular retail Venices. Here's my old 3500+ (chunkylover77 owns it now):
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Oh dear s7e9h3n is a pleasure to see you on this 3d :toast:

I think you're right: your samples are a little better than this/the retail Venices, after I show you a few screen that could confirm that...

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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich

If it's doing ~2.8 on stock, it should do 3 GHz with more vcore. However, what is the 100% stable speed @ stock vcore?

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You're right, ~3GHz shot for now @ air.

I think the rs frequency is between 2715MHz and 2740MHz at stock vcore and Zalman.

Thanks to all the other and sorry for the long post.

Gimmy 2 minutes that I've new screen for all, eh eh :D

Finally new test from gandalfone, here in Italy the weather is like summer, today ~20° :D

So you have to remeber this when looking the screen ;)

Again @air with zalman:

Vcore 1.4V 2800MHz spi

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...ce2822_1.4.JPG

To take 2850MHz gandalfone has raise the vcore to 1.45V

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...venice2860.JPG

Here CPU-Z show 1.45, but in bios gandalfone put 1.55V so the real vcore is 1.50V less or more ;)

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...enice_2900.JPG

This is the max coz at air with this ambient temp if he raise the vcore he cant do anything better.

Now a nice SuperPI not really tweaked, he don't use A64Tweaker :D

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...nice29_062.JPG

He run a PI also @ 2913 but he can't save the screen with 28s :(

And now from my request :D the max screen :woot:

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...enice_3000.JPG

If you have any request for test or anything other please told me that I refer all to gandalfone and we try to do all :)

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Originally Posted by Toki

And now from my request :D the max screen :woot:

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...enice_3000.JPG

If you have any request for test or anything other please told me that I refer all to gandalfone and we try to do all :)

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Well, I for one would like to see Gandalfone find where that .5 mhz went and run it again at 273 x11 to get to 3.0G ;)

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Well, I for one would like to see Gandalfone find where that .5 mhz went and run it again at 273 x11 to get to 3.0G ;)

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Eh eh, it's really bad this damn 'part' of fsb that going around without reason :slap:

Sweet deal. I'm just a little impatient. Don't tease me like that, using stock voltage! :nono:

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Originally Posted by Toki

=If you have any request for test or anything other please told me that I refer all to gandalfone and we try to do all :)

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I'd be really interested if you could give this program eCalc a run at or near 3ghz.

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Originally Posted by Toki

Eh eh, it's really bad this damn 'part' of fsb that going around without reason :slap:

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:) Interesting how "little" voltage increase helps with A64's (Winchester and Venice at least).

Though it is still a nice result, and bodes well for the 3000+ and 3200+ models!

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

Sweet deal. I'm just a little impatient. Don't tease me like that, using stock voltage! :nono:

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LOL :D

Nobodys here are teasing you :fact:

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Originally Posted by ULJarad

I'd be really interested if you could give this program eCalc a run at or near 3ghz.

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I emailed to gandalfone, obviously for now I doubt that he can run@3000MHz or near...I haven't ever used this bench, how many digits he have to put?? I'll give you the result ASAP.

It looks like your friend got not so great 3500+ :( Unless, he run something more than just Spi 1M at above clocks ;) Tell him to keep trying, run some higher Pi calculation and prime95...

I'm curious to see the gain with watercooling....and with little more vcore....Luckily the next week Venice & San Diego arrive in italian shop :banana:

Look @ the location in Toki profile.... VENICE :woot:

so 2.9 on air?
cant wait........although I'll be in militray training till next January.......guess i'll have a large amount of cash saved :D

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Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

It looks like your friend got not so great 3500+ :( Unless, he run something more than just Spi 1M at above clocks ;) Tell him to keep trying, run some higher Pi calculation and prime95...

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Mmm I don't completly agree with you and I tell why :)

I think is only a question of time to spend in bench and temp, today here (in Italy) is a really hot day, plus gandalfone loves SuperPI, so...:D

He does a 3dMark2001 @ 2755MHz @ stock vcore and now for you (I'm just kidding mate ;)) a 16M @ 2805MHz @ 1.44V :)

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...spi_16mega.JPG

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Originally Posted by vkbms

I'm curious to see the gain with watercooling....and with little more vcore....Luckily the next week Venice & San Diego arrive in italian shop :banana:

Look @ the location in Toki profile.... VENICE :woot:

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Soon we could see a few result with liquid cooling, but with warm water :D

Eh eh, I wonder if I have a free Venice coz of my birth, and live, city :woot:

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Originally Posted by Toki

Mmm I don't completly agree with you and I tell why :)

I think is only a question of time to spend in bench and temp, today here (in Italy) is a really hot day, plus gandalfone loves SuperPI, so...:D

He does a 3dMark2001 @ 2755MHz @ stock vcore and now for you (I'm just kidding mate ;)) a 16M @ 2805MHz @ 1.44V :)

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...spi_16mega.JPG

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That's the kind of screenshot you guys should have included at the beginning, not only 1M runs :)
So, you guys think you can get that chip prime-stable for at least couple hours @ 2.8-2.9GHz ? Or better cooling might be needed ?

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Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

That's the kind of screenshot you guys should have included at the beginning, not only 1M runs :)
So, you guys think you can get that chip prime-stable for at least couple hours @ 2.8-2.9GHz ? Or better cooling might be needed ?

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Yo man, you're right but only today we can do that :D

I think with liquid cooling he could stay 24/7 @ 2850MHz :)

And here another lil news:

2938MHz @ liquid cooling; this liquid system include 2 wb for the 6800Ultra, so water is really hot :D

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm..._liquid_28.JPG

damn, i might just be converted over to amd in my next system...ive also read that when dual core is actually worth a crap, amds archetecture is way better than intels...so ill have a better upgrade path.

Tried any voltage unter stock so far (like 1.2V?)

Still nice CPU though :woot:

Mmm na, for now I don't think he tried :)

gratz...really amazing the venice :D

Looks like i have to buy a new system ^^

Nice overclocking there. I am getting my 3500 tuesday,

Well, gandalfone give me the result of test with water + ice, temp is near 4°C, obviosly not constant and CPU over 16°C, oh good result for we ;)

Here the best SuperPI @ 3057MHz

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...od_27_3050.JPG

The temps (for what Smartguardian can say... :rolleyes: :D )

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...enice_temp.JPG

gandalfone see the temp raise and want to try a lil bit of stability and...wow!

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...enice_3000.JPG

SuperPI 8M

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm..._spi8_3000.JPG

And also a 16M

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...spi16_3000.JPG

To complete this beautiful session here a Pifast

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...ast_venice.JPG

And a ecalc @ 3000MHz for ULJarad

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...ecalc_3000.JPG

This is a suicide shot, gandalfone try from this to 3200MHz straight on :D and the system reboot :D however he think that more of 3110MHz in this condition, for suicide shot, is possible

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/immagini/3110.JPG

What to say now? Oh yes, with this funny temps we think that more and more will be possible with serious cooling, maybe tomorrow or monday ;)

Bye and thanks from gandalfone and me :toast:

Come on, let's see it with 2.1v pumping through it !

nice score's you have there;)
try it with dice^^

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Originally Posted by Jort

nice score's you have there;)
try it with dice^^

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Oh Jort, master of DIce cointainer :D :toast:

Nice to see you post here, maybe monday we can see this lil babe under DIce ;)

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Originally Posted by Y.H.Pats

Come on, let's see it with 2.1v pumping through it !

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Nope, not gonna happen. I'm sure they've already found that the Venice scales to about 1.65-1.7max. Anything beyond that just causes instability.

what a beautiful beast,put it xtremely below zero guyz:D :banana:

@Toki

Now you guys are talking... :toast: Spi 16M @ 3GHz is looking much better now, and it's not phase change yet :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Toki

Oh Jort, master of DIce cointainer :D :toast:

Nice to see you post here, maybe monday we can see this lil babe under DIce ;)

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tnx Toki :toast:

where going to run some dice again wednesday and for fun some ln² :woot:

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@Toki

Now you guys are talking... :toast: Spi 16M @ 3GHz is looking much better now, and it's not phase change yet :thumbsup:

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Thanks bachus_anonym :toast:

We haven't a phase change, but we can access easily @ DIce & Ln2 (though I think the last one is too much for Venice :)) :woot:

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Originally Posted by Jort

tnx Toki :toast:

where going to run some dice again wednesday and for fun some ln² :woot:

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Good luck, I hope you can get fun and some good result ;) :woot:

Looks like you guys had a bit more luck than the people in the venice thread. All the 3500+s in there were clocking really crappy. I wanna see some lN2 action! :slapass:

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Originally Posted by (sin)morpheus

Looks like you guys had a bit more luck than the people in the venice thread. All the 3500+s in there were clocking really crapping. I wanna see some lN2 action! :slapass:

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Agreed. Most of the 3500+ ive seen top off @ 2.8ghz WITH volts :stick:

I'm sorry for the 3500+ Venice 'crap' owners but I'm very happy to know that for gandalfone :)

Yeah, the bad clocks are making me think I should either get a 3700+ sandiego or a 3200+ venice. :stick:

Nice overclock but one thing, i did notice at 2.86Ghz you got a 31s superpi time, my winnie at 260x10 ram on a divider running at 216Mhz 3-2-2-10 i get 32s - i cant see no reason to upgrade personally :/

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Nice overclock but one thing, i did notice at 2.86Ghz you got a 31s superpi time, my winnie at 260x10 ram on a divider running at 216Mhz 3-2-2-10 i get 32s - i cant see no reason to upgrade personally :/

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you got a screen on that? :eek:

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Looks like you guys had a bit more luck than the people in the venice thread. All the 3500+s in there were clocking really crappy. I wanna see some lN2 action! :slapass:

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Now who was it that said that it was too early to tell if the review samples clocked better than retail chips? ;) Hehehe, here's a little patched fun with my 3800+ Venice:
http://img193.echo.cx/img193/3886/patched3kd.jpg

As I promised, I've got the result of Venice @ Dry Ice by gandalfone :woot:

Here we go:

This is his first run @ dry ice, before this he has confidence with prommy :D

The result?? Venice CPUs are incredible!!

gandalfone has a lil problem with memory ratio, after I'll explain...

Unfortunately gandalfone haven't a digi cam so he can't do any photo of the rig :slapass: :slap: :D

Anyway, temp of the base of container is -40°, over the probe go crap :)

After a few test he already grab a good result: SuperPI 1M 26''

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...ice_spi_26.JPG

He set the mem @ 183 ratio using a64tweaker with bios 331-1 but after 2 hours of test this is the max, only this, a lil weird we think...

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...pi__26_312.JPG

And this is the 3dMark2001

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...2001_35877.JPG

The damn thing is that gandalfone try to get the suicide shot with this settings, but he still can't go over 3200MHz, so he think that this result is good anyway for him...but just when he think this, he try to set the ratio @ 166 and...oh yeah, the baby goes on :woot:

SuperPI 8M @ 3155MHz

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...spi_8_3200.JPG

Ecalc @ 3380MHz for ULJarad

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...ecalc_3380.JPG

Pifast @ 3330MHz

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...fast_36_97.JPG

SuperPI 1M @ 3363MHz :D

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm..._spimod_25.JPG

3dMark2001 @ 3305MHz

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...2001_36000.JPG

Sandra @ 3346MHz

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...andra_3350.JPG

Aquamark @ I don't know the frequency :slap: :D

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...qua_106000.JPG

Suicide shot :woot:

http://gandalfone.altervista.org/imm...enice_3500.JPG

So, this is all great result!! Yeah, we know that SuperPI could be better with Win2003 and 3dmark with Win2000 plus better cooling on GPU maybe DIce too (here only @ liquid) but gandalfone haven't enough time :)

We think that Venice CPUs are beautiful CPU, better than Winchester coz of the cold bug near-solved and better oc quality even at air at default vcore.

Yeah, only one CPU isn't enough to judge all the Venice, but we couldn't imagine a better start :slobber:

Soon gandalfone come here to say personally thanks to all :toast:

Bye.

TOKI e Gandalfone:
ITALIA RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZ :)

nice....

VERY NICE score's!;)

i am eager to know when that fx-55 of ours stops with ln² :D

Ask to put some ln2 on it :slapass: and take a look at the cold bug.

haha! great results

interesting

I M P R E S S I V E ...

We will have a Venice for some cascade benching in a few days

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VERY NICE score's!;)

i am eager to know when that fx-55 of ours stops with ln² :D

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Thanks Jort :toast:

Good luck for your LN2 test on Fx55 ;)

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Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Ask to put some ln2 on it :slapass: and take a look at the cold bug.

haha! great results

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Ah ah ah, it's not possible now :nono: gandalfone will go to holidays next day :D

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Originally Posted by berkut

We will have a Venice for some cascade benching in a few days

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Oh nice, we hope that we can go over the theoretical cold bug, good luck ;)

I want to greet all the Italian peeps that come here to enjoy this result :toast:

Very impressive

Congratz :toast:

Well i played with 2 winchesters so far.

One didnt have a cold bug @ -72C load, died in the second run @ -86C (tuned up the CO2 cascade a little)

the second one loved the prometeia mach 2 gt but didnt want to work with my cascade

Nice oc. I can only get stable at 3.245. Mobo is needed to support higher fsb..not sure which one.

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Originally Posted by berkut

Well i played with 2 winchesters so far.

One didnt have a cold bug @ -72C load, died in the second run @ -86C (tuned up the CO2 cascade a little)

the second one loved the prometeia mach 2 gt but didnt want to work with my cascade

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I'm sad to hear that :(

Do you remember the batch code of both CPUs, especially the died one??

I ask this coz in a few days I'll go @ DIce with two Winny...

Nice cpu!!

Nice cpu, nice results, nice clocker... ;)
First time U use CO2 ?
Azz... :D