I just bought the cheapest rami could find. 2x 512 geil budget :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
it's doing 2-2-2-10-1 240 3.2V as we speak
http://www.hardlynormals.com.au/prod...oducts_id=1672
that's teh shop.
prices are AUD.
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I just bought the cheapest rami could find. 2x 512 geil budget :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
it's doing 2-2-2-10-1 240 3.2V as we speak
http://www.hardlynormals.com.au/prod...oducts_id=1672
that's teh shop.
prices are AUD.
Push those suckers further! FURTHER! Come on, you can get 250 at least if you burn it in!
nice work goatman
are they BH UTT or CH?
btw post it in i4memory.com
My Geil Value also has Winbond UTT chips :D ... can you post some pics of the chips (I don't have a digital camera to make the photos myself).
sweet :clap:
what the..........
geil value too?
can you check the part number? check for year and week please
Thanks for the shop listing, Goaty-boy.
Nice to know another good online store in Aus!
On that note, is there a comprehensive list anywhere of various countries and their GOOD stores for people like us, looking to buy the higher end goods?
i have something going on here.. if u wanna see... i have some vendors that ships international... will add more later
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=166246
for australia
www.staticice.com.au
should be able to find you the things u want
Geil Value PC3200 1GB kit PN : 1074-SN5001730
any date on that? e.g. 0513 or 0510?
None that I can identify :(. I've bought the kit one week ago.
cool, might get my mate to order his now. You have to get the good stuff. :D
hmm ok thnx
oh yeah... try cpuz? year and week :)
damn I might go and order a pair
just gotta find one locally
maybe pluscorp
Thought of tha when I bought them. But from what I've seen all Geil Value (if not all Geil ram) aren't "accurate" about the Serial Number and week/year.
Quote:
Originally Posted by scorp
LOL
edit: hey Arc... better see whether they are new stock... i think pluscorp should let u know whether they are or not
geil value is $168 from pluscorp with ocau discount or 171 normal price
yea.. i just checked as well.. but better see whether it's new
If you could find them at a local store and look at the modules you can identify if they have Winbond chips or not.
I have attached some pics of the sides of Winbond ICs. You can notice that all of them have 2 silver colored lines.
yea.. that's one way of identifying them
but doesn't really say whether it's winbond or not...
any other IC have only 2 silver metal sticking out?
No recent ICs that I could find. Only some old PC2100 Hynix H seem to have the same two lines, but they are thiner and shorter.
However according the Geil they use only Elpida or Hynix chips for their Value line. Elpida chips look different, while Hynix D5 & D43 have 4 dots on their sides.
hmm... will keep an eye for these geil now...
In the U.S. I would bet that theQuote:
Originally Posted by babyelf
GEIL 1GB PC3200 DUAL C2 listed at Outpost may be more of the UTT.
From how the modules look they are Geil Ultra Platinum PC3200. Those modules should have Winbond CH-5 or Mosel Vitelic 5ns, but than again .. who knows ;)
yes these ICs have the 2 soldr balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by babyelf
hynix chips have 4 smaller ones.
I can't get 250 at ANY voltage. could this be my mem controller?
probably the ram or motherboard holding you back mate :)
if this is UTT CH-5 then you'd need more vdimm
Official answer from Geil :
EDIT : The PCB for the new Geil Values is Brain Power PCBQuote:
For our production, we sometime use higher quality IC for Value. Value by nature is a lower end product. However, in order to compete with Corsair, we beef up the Value a little bit sometime.
You might have BH-5 value and you can try 2-2-2-5 2.85v to verify it.
wonder if i should try some. I can get 2x512 for $131 canadian
It's a sweet price for a gig of RAM, but does anyone know if is there a way to verify if it's UTT other than buying a set and testing them?Quote:
Originally Posted by danbob
EDIT: is this the stuff?
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/10/493/7731
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/3516/geilutt6cu.jpg
I tried 3.6V.
I also tried some of your titimgs for the DFI NF4 (they increase mem bandwidth! by a fair bit!) but they make the ram unstable at even 240.
I also tried neach stick on it's own. no go. Both sticks oc almost identical.
just sum results with geil value :D vdimm @ 3.7v
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...mat255at9x.jpg
That's nice, what do you think about this?
http://home.no/nickeh/2.55ghz.255fsb...2-6.solid2.jpg
3.4v ;) Twinmos UTT.
I think that thios is what you need to look for , when you're searching for GeIL value BH5:
1GB (2x512MB) PC3200 400MHz Value DC 2.5 6-3-3 2T 5ns 2.55-2.65
6 Layer PCB, Blue Aluminum Heat Spreader,
Dual Channel SPD GE1GB3200BHDC
anyone can confirm this on their modules?
Geil just changed the ratings :)) ... The SPD timings for my modules are 2.5-4-4-8 and the voltages that were covered by the warranty are 2.55v-2.95v.
wow, if it turns out that GE1GB3200BHDC is the UTT then theres a store in UK selling 2x512mb for £65! thats a steal if anyone can confirm the model number i'm getting some right away! other UTT is at least £30 more expensive in this country
Jamo is where is that at ? Very intrested :D
How can I tell if the IC's are UTT BH or UTT CH? Isnt one thinner than the other? Thickness of the IC itself ?
Just had a look at my twinmos old skool bh-5 (thanks John ;)) twinmos sp utt and mushkin 3500 LII bh-5 and all have the silver 'strips' along the top of the IC's. Trade mark from Winbond? I havnt got any normal sticks to have a look at it to see if its on all IC's are not.
Geil Ultra-X now ships UTT BH instead of TCCD ive heard from a few people who have recieved recent kits.
Ah overclockers, should fo checked there :p:
Well, who wants to take the plunge on them? I think you :D If I had some cash spare I would be right now I havnt :(
Will be a definate steal if they are UTT ;)
in the same boat pal, roll on pay day!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
Yea, I'l have some spare cash to throw at some mem but thats Friday and overclockers changed thier deals of the week on friday morning right ?
the old 1's look like this 2, most important is the pn number, make sure there sn500's and have the silver strips on the chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
can somebody please confirm this Geil ram here: http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_d...=2629&pid=3253
wondering if these are using UTT?
thanks.
even if they change there deal this is still UBER cheap - £75 for 1GB of UTT? NICE!!!
They don't have the BH in it, so i'm assuming it's not BH-5. Check with them for the part number.Quote:
Originally Posted by notoriousformula
My kit has UTTs and it does not have BH in their name :)
Are you sure? How do you know its UTT?Quote:
Originally Posted by scorp
thx
From how the chips look and especially from how they act. On my MB I couldn't use the DDR Booster, but on a P4C800E and with 3.2v, it got to 240 MHz 2-2-2-5. Couldn't go any further as that was the limitation of the P4, but I guess that with more volts it would have done better.
Geil confirm use Chip Winbond on new Value series
great choice
luigi
so any relatively recent Geil value RAM bought will contain the utt bh5 stuff? I'm seeing it for £55 here on www.overclockers.co.uk for 1gb, which for RAM like that, will be awesome value. However i'm willing to pay more for oc'ing ability, but it'd be nice to have it this cheap. Anyone gone and bought some from there lately, and can confirm it to be bh5??
Mine seems to match the characteristics for UTT\BH5 -Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
SN500 in part number
GE5123200BHDC
CL2.5-3-3-6
2.55-2.95v
Will test these in my A64 rig later to verify. ;)
and you bought from OCUK? Can you test today, just set it to the 2-2-2-6 timings and vdimm at 2.85, shouldn't take long, but i would love to have it by the weekend, and so order it today? I would be incredibly greatful if you could.
Ok I'll try that, i'll report back soonQuote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Good luck (for your sake as much as mine, lol)
No such luck. Dont know what chips they are, but the best I can get @ DDR400 is 2.5-3-3-5. Even with 2.95v. Anything tighter freezes. ah well :(
ok. i reckon OCUK are clearing out old stock which is why they are on cheap. I'll wait a few days before i order, i guess, give them time to get a few more of the chips i need.
I bought the stuff in february. Still isnt bad for the price though.Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
oh. hmmm. well if anyone has stuff they've bought recently, it'd be great if they could tell me.
You know, I think it might just be A64 tweaker, it froze when i tried changing settings for my BH5 in windows...had to set CAS2 in the BIOS (4\14, other settings on auto) :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
Just picked up some Geil Value from OCuK here: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...aMY_2d005_2dGL
Super cheap ram for 1GB, and best of all it is UTT !!! :toast:
On my DFI NF2 system i got 220 with 3.2v 1t. (which is quite good for NF2 1t 4 banks)
Havent tested much, no burn in but looks good so far.
For £67 you cant complain :banana:
look for the metal strips on the bottom of the ram, there should be two just visible under the heatspreader. Thats how i knew mine was UTT.Quote:
No such luck. Dont know what chips they are, but the best I can get @ DDR400 is 2.5-3-3-5. Even with 2.95v. Anything tighter freezes. ah well
Also i think you should try higher vdimm i could only get 200 2-2-2 with 3.0v
Looking good for such cheap stuff. Try some burn in on them.
What cpu you running?
I'll try some more testing/tweaking tonight, i just got the ram today.
I running an old school 32-bit athlon XP-M 2500+ can do 2.6ghz
looks good, i'm going to get some then. Probably won't arrive in time for the weekend, so i'll report back probably next weekend about how it clocks. Do they allow for a 7 day satsfaction guarantee? Dabs do, which is why i like to use them, although their stock is rather limited.
Quick update, these sticks a great :toast:
i got them 245 with 3.3v 1t DC using 20 memtest #5 passes as an indication of stability.
1 stick is really sweet, can do 250 with only 3,3v the other is slightly behind, but not by much.
The last UTT i had just wouldn't run 1t even at 200, so im very pleased :D
I took the heatspreaders off to find Geil branded IC's. They have the trademark dimples etc. My camera's battery is dead, so i'll try to get some pics up later
You can return them, but theres an 11% restock fee. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
ok
well i've taken the risk and ordered the geil value. It'll probably arrive on monday or tuesday, so i'll let y'all know how it does then
*prays that this is the utt stuff he hopes it to be*
just for anticipatory purposes, could you guys possibly see what you can get to at 2.9v? That's what i'll be using it at for the time being, until i go 939 and dfi. Would be much appreciated, timings no slacker than 2.5-3-3-11 if that's ok. If you ever have an hour or two with nothing to do, it would be much appreciated.
Well dependin on the mobo, you can probably get 220 2-2-2-11 @ 2.9v, with some burn-in. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
righto, sounds like enough to me. I'd be prepared to raise the latencies a wee-bit for axp, since mem bandwidth is a little more important. Just 2.5-3-3-11, nothing drastic.
In that case, maybe 10mhz more.Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
With Nforce2 the major factor haulting your memory is 1t or 2t i.e. cpc on/off.
There has been a well known problem when running double sided ram (2banks per slot) with cpc on on NF2 from the beginning. The NF2 memory controller is very outdated now and it has trouble with 1gb and 1t. With 2t your good to go but 1t is very difficult. Bh-5 have major issues with 1t in 2x512 flavour, but this ram (UTT/CH-5) your more likely to do it and sometimes you can even get decent fsb out of them
cool well as long as i get ch-5 i should be safe. Like i say, as long as it clocks nicely on an a64 system i'm happy, since that's what i'll be getting ASAP.
It might just be "bad" ch-5....
Dragon
well it's arrived, about to test it out, see how it goes. Going by S/N, it doesn't look promising...
if i couldn't hit 2-2-2-11 to windows, but i can get 2-3-3-11 and it's totally stable, all at 400mhz and 2.9v, would you guess it's the motherboard or the RAM that's being silly?
I haven't tried 2-2-3-11 or 2-3-2-11 yet.
It's all running at 1t, and i'm currently engaging in a bit of burn in, since it's helped me a lot with all my other kit.
At 2.9V UTT isn't supposed to do 2-2-2-X, which is why OCZ VX is rated at 2-2-2-8 at 3.2V, not lower. I'd say you're doing pretty well, so don't give up just yet. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
If you have the means, you should probably try a VDIMM mod or getting a booster for your RAM.
booster would be my only option...i'm not too hot on soldering, and i'm planning on learning come the summer, until then i'll have to make do. I can get into windows at 2-2-2-11 now, and it's approaching stability (can run browsers ok, and sisoft test). It's burning in today, so i'll see what improvement there is later. 2.9v is my current max.
You will definately need 3.0v+ to let this ram fly. The first day i got it i let it burn in at 3.1v at 200. Only after that i tried higher. 2-2-2-11 at 2.9v is actually very very good. Im sure you can hit higher with some more volt.
The best way to check is underneath the heatspreaders. On the bottom of each ram IC's there should be two metal dots. At least then you'll be 100% sure its UTT. (im already sure it is)
My modules max out at around 250fsb with 3.4v DC 1t. I tested them out on my friends DFI NF4 and they can do 260 max with 3.5v. 1mhz above causes instabiliy.
Ive just killed my Infinity (again) :( so im just gonna use my laptop until after my exams and then hopefully go NF4.
lol. I'm going nf4 after my exams as well, that's when i'll get this RAM going.
I only bought it because it was so cheap, and the chance to get bh-5, even stuff like this, was just too good to resist.
How come Geil state that 2.85v should be enough to get 2-2-2-11? Do they just not want sales of their Ultra lines eaten into by the value stuff?
I think that the UTT-BH dont need 3.2v to run 2-2-2. Just the UTT-CH need 3.2v to be able to run 2-2-2 @ 200.
well burn in doesn't seem to have helped, is more or less stable at 2-3-2-11, but can't get that mysterious 2-2-2-11 yet. Only did 12 hours of burning in today, so i'll just let it burn for ages, then give it some more goes at the weekend. For £60 though, 2-3-2-11@400 is good, and it's always possible it's just my motherboard being a gimp, thanks to CPC or 1t/2t or something.
hmm some OCZ Value VX coming out way here in down under.. should be interesting to see... might grab some and have a go at it :)
BH die and not CH die right?Quote:
Originally Posted by babyelf
value VX uses CH i think
but it's here at www.nintek.com.au
OCAU members gets to buy at AUD169
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...56#post4535756
haha decided to try some overclocking tonight.
I don't think this stuff is bh, but it is good. Currently at 225mhz, with a 3400mb/s Sandra and 43s Spi1m. That's 12.5x225 (=2367) with vdimm of 2.6v, timings of 2-3-2-11. This stuff is pretty awesome, gonna see how much higher i can get it.
@don_vercetti : looks like utt-ch
i take it thats good news?
It errors at 2.9v, no matter the speed.
And my mobo maxed out (i'm fairly sure it is the mobo) at 235mhz, still 2-3-2-11 timings.
Now it's the morning, and my room has warmed up, i need to drop it down to 220mhz to be stable, but i think the NB needs better cooling than it currently has.
I've just ordered more of that stuff from http://www.pluscorp.com.au
will k33p u fellas posted. I'm starting to think my mem controller is being a tard and not going higher than 240.
we'll see whan i get a venice :D
im fairly sure my mem controller is being gay. Looking forward to getting a64 + venice, and really getting it going...
got today 4 kit of those ram
and the 4 of them are UTT according to this thread
on the sticker i see those code
PN1035-SN5002900/1/2/3
GE1GB3200BDC
so r those really winbond or what
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820144310
only way is to try and see
edit: or you could take a peek at the IC's and look for the 2 metal tabs
what should i look for and where exactly plz ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcTan
no they need to ahve the number GE1GB3200BHDC to even stand a change. Nowhere there does it say it's winbond, but you can check easily by setting vdimm at 2.85v (or 2.9) and timings 2-2-2-5 and bh-5 should boot.
so i think mine is not Winbond :(
i hoped that they will
This Geil value UTT seems quite good, Tom Vercetti, those are really nice results especially for NF2. I ordered some more recently for my friend as well, amazing, his sticks max out at 260 DC 2-2-2 with something like 3.4-3.5v. :banana:
Somebody has got to stop me buying some more, or i might just fail my first year, ouch! :( :stick:
I bought this one
http://www.pluscorp.com.au/Product.a...=2&ProdID=4058
the shop does not supply a number.
we'll see what it is on monday :D
the rated timings for the UTT set i had were 2.5-3-3-6.Quote:
# 184pin, Non-ECC, Un-buffered, high performance DDR memory modules.
# GeIL 5ns 32x8 & 64x8 Density DDR Chip.
# 6 Layers Ultra Low Noises Shielded PCB.
# Optimized SPD for Dual Channel DDR motherboards.
# Blue Aluminum Heat Spreader.
# Lifetime Warranty .
# CAS 2.5 8-4-4 (GE5123200BDC & GE1G3200BDC)
# CAS 3-8-4-4 (GE2G3200BDC)
# 2.55V-2.95V
# Retail package.
winbond chips can'tdo cas 3 n e way, so GE2G3200BDC is definetly NOT UTT.
could be TCCD??Quote:
4/27/2004 http://www.3dgameman.com
"The GeIL Value Dual Channel PC3200 400MHz DDR Memory is value with attitude. Not only is this memory fast at it’s default speed, but it's excellent at overclocking. It can reach speeds of 510MHz DDR ...
http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/ge...geil3200_4.htm
these guys reach 260 unstable so it's prolly the worst TCCD ever or some other crap :p
This is what the sticker said on those UTT sticks:
geil 512mb pc3200
ddr400 CL=2.5-6-3-3 GE1GB3200BHDC
Well Winbond SOME DO CAS3 and SOME Dont :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by goatman
BH-5 is the one that doesnt do CAS3...
which winbond do cas 3?
AH-6?
I think the point is that the serial number HAS to be GE1GB3200BHDC with 1075-SN500xxxx on the sticker.
TBH, specs released by manufacturers producing UTT mem usually aren't very accurate of the actual product - nothing has been speed binned. If its UTT it can do 2-2-2, if its something else than its prolly cr*p, 3-3-3 stuff. Thats it ;)