The most unbelievable thing happened to me

you gotta believe this!!
I swear this is NOT a JOKE!!
Have you heard a 16 pins broken fx55 still work flawless.?

about a month ago, after I got my 10k+ and 3.7g OC on the chilly1's cascade,
my lovely king of FX55 dropped onto OCZ power, when I tried to adjust those bend pins, 16 of them were broken(too cold). I then immediately post the that thread.( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=147)

tonight, I try to clean my motherboard, and I see my dead fx55, I was thinking to ship to Holst, he'd like to help me to solder pins on that and fix for me. so I start to adjust some bend pins then insert to the socket. OK the fun part starts, I for got that's dead fx55, and applied some silicon compound on it. I thought it's my newer 0506fpmw. then I power it up and I was still NOT aware of which fx55 it is until I see the 0506fpmw fx55 on my desk. O....My...God... what the ...I now still can't believe that. It looks like this:
see the inside of red-retangle?

http://img31.exs.cx/img31/2361/fx55025eu5lg.jpg

ok, from my previous ecperience, this king of fx55 can do 290x11 rock stable(I think Sli-DR with 209 bios), now... it did this... :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://img31.exs.cx/img31/9628/fx55alive6dp.jpg

I am so happy RIGHT NOW. It's really a miracle. Unbelievable come back fx55.

I think xs has member live very closed to columbus OHIO, you guys are more than welcome to visit me and take a look see if I am lying.

Thank you all for listening to me.

Prolly can't sit down though due that that extremely large HORSESHOE in your a$$!! :)

Nice, you are a lucky man!!

I heavily doubt anyone thinks your a liar OPB. Very nice to say the least, have you ran any extended tests with other programs to see if there is any visible damage? I thought there was a diagram somewhere to tell which pins are for what purposes, voltage etc

Thats a Brand New SShot right, but your on cpu-z 1.27 when you know you will be questioned about any small detial like that? "rolls eyes"

OMG what a comeback lol though you should be careful with the chip now. Just because you bought a new one doesnt mean your old one isnt also quite an expensive asset. I'd lay off the xtreme benchmarks on the old one to prolong its life (lol), but thats just me.

Always good to see hardware coming back from the dead :D. Though I think I liked your last avatar better :( ;)

Perkam

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Thats a Brand New SShot right, but your on cpu-z 1.27 when you know you will be questioned about any small detial like that? "rolls eyes"

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would you explain more, I don't quite get it. Sorry man. :confused:

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Thats a Brand New SShot right, but your on cpu-z 1.27 when you know you will be questioned about any small detial like that? "rolls eyes"

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Question bout what? If its workin with <939 pins then its workin. It is information thread from OPB and he doesnt have to prove anything.

Holly Molly, man you are one lucky person.. I would be devistated if that happend to my winnie, but an FX on that... And then the thing still works, WOW... Ive heard of redundant grounds and such, but would of never thought there to be that many in a row, and I thought I was lucky when my old 1.6a P4 worked after loosing two pins, LOL.... I bet you had to take a double take of your new cpu sitting on your desk before you realized you WERENT dreaming...

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would you explain more, I don't quite get it. Sorry man. :confused:

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I think he means that 1.28 is out and that people might think thats an old screeny. Don't mind him OPB ;)

well , I can do that over and over again :D
I know it's hard to believe, but it's true:D

Thanks bud, and thank you Dumo my friend.:)

Ok this proves it once and for all: Reality IS stranger than fiction :stick:


I wonder what those pins are for... :confused:

too strange ! very lucky !

Lucky horse shoe indeed :lol: Very good news OPB :toast:

Here's a pic of why she runs still... just remember, it's a mirror image of your FX pic ;)

http://img8.exs.cx/img8/5878/opbpins9zl.png

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Ok this proves it once and for all: Reality IS stranger than fiction :stick:


I wonder what those pins are for... :confused:

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Read though here to find out
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31411.pdf

And let us know what you find :p:

dam wouldn't we all like to mix up which fx-55 we're using :)

congrats mate

I should have an FX-55 soon too - hopefully should catch up to you fx folks :D

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Lucky horse shoe indeed :lol: Very good news OPB :toast:

Here's a pic of why she runs still... just remember, it's a mirror image of your FX pic ;)

http://img8.exs.cx/img8/5878/opbpins9zl.png

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WOOW. If the damage occured 1 pin column over, it would have destroyed his MEM Data pins.

hey OPB if you goto http://www.motherboardrepair.com/ they can fix all those pins a friend on a nether forum sent a P4 with 4 missing pins and they put them back on the P4 works like a charm :)

Man, you're quite lucky! :)

So can we conclude, the 16 broken pins improved your overclock? :D (290x11 vs 295x11) Seems to be a wholly new mod :p:

Thank you for all the info. I truly appreciate !:D

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So can we conclude, the 16 broken pins improved your overclock? :D (290x11 vs 295x11) Seems to be a wholly new mod :p:

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Now I just need to find the equivalent pins on my 3700+ and I'll be good to go right? Hahahaha

so according to you we should break 4 pins off our cpu to make it run faster :D
:P

correction..... 16 pins

OPB,RUN OUT OF your house NOW...NOW! And go buy a lottery ticket ! Cause you are one lucky bast**rd that CPU is still alive. :D

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OPB,RUN OUT OF your house NOW...NOW! And go buy a lottery ticket ! Cause you are one lucky bast**rd that CPU is still alive. :D

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I tell you what. I 've never ever won any lottery or lucky casino $$..
Now, I am really really happy with this.

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OPB,RUN OUT OF your house NOW...NOW! And go buy a lottery ticket ! Cause you are one lucky bast**rd that CPU is still alive. :D

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agree :D

:D Hey dude - nice show here, think You're a lucky man now..... :p:

Maybe You turned it into a FX-57 by breakin' the pins or You got the last bless from the pope for that little thingie....... :ROTF:

But do me a fav and contact Your local doctor - I wonder about Your healthy, it NEVER happened to me I forgot which CPU plugs in the socket.. :p:

Maybe we should open a new section here at XS: OCing with damaged hardware...... :rofl:

But good to hear the FX is still alive at all........... :toast:

I mapped out all the pins that are broken if anyone cares still. There are some that I cant tell if they are broken or just didnt show up. I only mapped the ones I could tell for sure. If I had a better pic, with boxes over the indevidual pins marked I could give a complete break down. I think you might have a couple more pins broken that comtroll the VTT_SENCE pin since it soundn't alow you to boot with a fulty VDD pin. You are lucky you lost one gound and one power of the same linkage.

vss=Ground. OMG!!! YOU HAVE NO GROUND...let the sparks fly!!!! Not really though. Since you lost one VDD losing one gound almost stabilises the situation...luck bastard. If you wouldn't of lost this ground and the VDD, one of each, you didnt have a core melt down.
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nc_al9 hmmmm. Having a hard time finding the functinaly of there pins. My guess is that they are not connected to anything (NC). I think this is AMD of integrating featues like SSE3 after prossesor has been relesed. The a64 chip has LOTS of NC connections. My guess is that
AMD has a LOT more up its sleeve for the a64 chips. SMT could even be in order, but that
will take some time given the nature of the very short pipe that AMD has desinged.
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vdd=core power supply (yikes!!!!) this is where the power comes in. You lost your main power pin!!! how does this thing run??? Answer. There are over 50 VDD pins. Just one getting broken means that your volt core will not be stable. It will be a value of X read by the VTT, since the VTT reads it against the VDD. Not a real issue though for the 939. Also, since there is a pin that has no power, VTT_SENSE will have a value of z. I am very suprized to see that AMD lets you boot even though you might have a power short, very very bad if that were to happen.

man u have a 932 pin FX55 now :D

Wow.. :toast: Good explanation Gsus......I wonder from all 939 pins, how many AMD reserved for future use/features?

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man u have a 932 pin FX55 now :D

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ROFL :party:

You can then ebay it, quoting:

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Originally Posted by EBAY SALES THREAD

Extremely rare 932 pin FX-55, with extreme overclocking mod made on the "Not Connected" pins. Will work on all Socket 939 boards, and possibly on the "to-be-released Socet 932 boards"

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That would be a good one ;)

hahahaha, one more motherboard revision from amd...nothing unusual there

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I mapped out all the pins that are broken if anyone cares still. There are some that I cant tell if they are broken or just didnt show up. I only mapped the ones I could tell for sure. If I had a better pic, with boxes over the indevidual pins marked I could give a complete break down. I think you might have a couple more pins broken that comtroll the VTT_SENCE pin since it soundn't alow you to boot with a fulty VDD pin. You are lucky you lost one gound and one power of the same linkage.

vss=Ground. OMG!!! YOU HAVE NO GROUND...let the sparks fly!!!! Not really though. Since you lost one VDD losing one gound almost stabilises the situation...luck bastard. If you wouldn't of lost this ground and the VDD, one of each, you didnt have a core melt down.
nc_al12
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nc_al9 hmmmm. Having a hard time finding the functinaly of there pins. My guess is that they are not connected to anything (NC). I think this is AMD of integrating featues like SSE3 after prossesor has been relesed. The a64 chip has LOTS of NC connections. My guess is that
AMD has a LOT more up its sleeve for the a64 chips. SMT could even be in order, but that
will take some time given the nature of the very short pipe that AMD has desinged.
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vdd=core power supply (yikes!!!!) this is where the power comes in. You lost your main power pin!!! how does this thing run??? Answer. There are over 50 VDD pins. Just one getting broken means that your volt core will not be stable. It will be a value of X read by the VTT, since the VTT reads it against the VDD. Not a real issue though for the 939. Also, since there is a pin that has no power, VTT_SENSE will have a value of z. I am very suprized to see that AMD lets you boot even though you might have a power short, very very bad if that were to happen.

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You could've looked in the picture a couple of posts above you, you would see a piece of the socket 939 datasheet with the pins missing on this CPU.

You can prolly break off about 10% of all VSS pins without noticing (which is a lot of pins seeing as you have a lot of VSS pins), the A64 doens't require a lot of power so the pins themselves are thick enough to let at least double the power in. Also they're all connected via the processor package so there is no way to tell if there are pins missing. The only reason they spread the vss pins over the CPU is to prevent EMI.

The NC pins are just that: Not connected, these are reserved pins or pins with a debug function. If you don't connect these to the rest of the system there will be no change in functionality. With AMD most NC pins are really NC but with Intel most have a secret function (for shorting out the MP's for example).

The same story that goes for the VSS pins also goes for the VCC pins, they are spread to prevent EMI and get high currents to parts that need it. If you break off about 10% this would prolly not have any noticable effect. A VCC pin doesn't exist on it's own, its connected to all the other VCC pins.

If you read the datasheet you will see that VTT is measured against VSS and not VCC, also if you break of 1 or 2 pins there will be no change in either VSS or VCC so VTT doesn't change at all.

VTT_Sense therefor will not prevent you from running the CPU, the CPU works just fine. So there is no "power short" as you call it (you prolly mean shortage and not short-out?). Also there is no way for the CPU to know when it can't get enough power from the rest of the system, the vcore will simply get unstable and the cpu will crash.

If you break more VSS pins then VCC pins or the other way around doesn't make any difference. AMD makes great CPU's, don't say they do something wrong just because you don't understand.

@OPB: Nice drop that was, just the right side. Now you know: Don't fool around with frozen CPU's :D
The increase in OC is prolly a fluke, just a lucky day. It hasn't anything to do with the missing pins. If anything they will decrease OC speeds, not increase them.

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hahahaha, one more motherboard revision from amd...nothing unusual there

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... Nothing unusual? The socket-A platform has had only 1 revision in all the 5 years of it's lifetime.
You are confused with Intel introducing new sockets every 6 months I think.

to answer your question there are 36 edit*** (errr I recounted and it is 56 give err take....I cound count ballets for florida it seems) ***edit or so pins that have a NC designation. So, got room for DDR2 or DDR3 mem controler. I think DDR 2 will be skiped and move strate to DDR3. Problem with DDR2 is the ammont of Latecy inherent with DDR2 makes the onboard memory controler speed worth nothing. DDR3 has all the benifits of DDR (low latency) and DDR2 (high dencity, low power) with none of the drawbacks. Thank the Vid card people for the invention of DDR3. By the looks of it, SMT could be in order as well. Takes intel about 15-20 pins by the way I see it. Hard thing with SMT with the AMD chip is the built in memory controler can't keep up with the HTT setup in a SMT situation. You would need a whole need step up of SMT memory control switches. So AMD great streghth is their greatest weakness on the SMT front. Though not imposible to pull of, it would max the chips features out, so a new board revision wouldn't be too far behind.

uhhh thory. I didnt say that AMD doesn't make great chips, I think they do. I was mearly commenting that the boot proceduce doesn't check the VDD_SENSE proble like the intel chips do. I consider that a slight problem for cases like the above where someone has damages some of the VDD chips. The boot sequnce, IHO needs to be revised to prevent an over volt or under volt. Then again, I am sure that AMD knows more than I do about the ability of their chips, so I hardly think it is an over sight.

The CPU does, however, know if it can boot or not boot baised on power. I could be wrong, but if you read section 7.8 and past that to the boot sequence, it requires the VTT to hte VDDIO, and the VDDIO is set relitive to the VSS and related back the the VTT_SENCE. I could be reading the power diagram wrong, so set me straite if I am...it's been awhile since I had to read power circuit diagrams. But I am farily confident.

O and the MB comment I was refeing to is the whole state of affairs where AMD said the 940 chip was for high perfmance server parts and 754 was for everyone else. Then they came out with the 939 for servers and enthusits and the 754 will be used as the economy board then phased out. Your right though....socket a was the best. Intel has so many board types out it makes my head spin hahahaha.

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to answer your question there are 39 or so pins that have a NC designation. So, got room for DDR2 or DDR3 mem controler. I think DDR 2 will be skiped and move strate to DDR3. Problem with DDR2 is the ammont of Latecy inherent with DDR2 makes the onboard memory controler speed worth nothing. DDR3 has all the benifits of DDR (low latency) and DDR2 (high dencity, low power) with none of the drawbacks. Thank the Vid card people for the invention of DDR3. By the looks of it, SMT could be in order as well. Takes intel about 15-20 pins by the way I see it. Hard thing with SMT with the AMD chip is the built in memory controler can't keep up with the HTT setup in a SMT situation. You would need a whole need step up of SMT memory control switches. So AMD great streghth is their greatest weakness on the SMT front. Though not imposible to pull of, it would max the chips features out, so a new board revision wouldn't be too far behind.

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Please get your fact's straight: There are 55 NC pins and another 25 to 39 (depending on the situation) that are left NC on the motherboard because the functionality isn't required.

However that a pin must be left NC to run the CPU doens't mean these pins are up for grabs, they can be used for debug purposes or reserved for new functions.

Implementing DDR2 or DDR3 on a A64 wouldn't be a big problem, you can multiplex pins so you'll have plenty of pins available. Also it isn't just a cost of pins you must have available, these pins must be thought over.

However, there is currently no need to increase the bus speed on the A64 (most out of the box systems can run @ 230 no problem) and therefor you will not see a DDR2 or DDR3 implementation anytime soon. If they move from a 200 bus to a 250 bus you'll still be OK with DDR technology.

Also because of the way the K8 architecture is setup (it's designed for SMP and SMT systems) AMD will have no problem with the memory on these setups. You don't seem to understand the meaning of a bus? (No higher tech education?) You can connect as many memory modules and memory controllers on the memory bus as you want without much trouble.
You'll prolly won't want to because it will cost you bandwidth but 2 memory controllers for 4 memory slots works just as well as 1 memory controller for 2 memory slots or 1 memory controller for 4 memory slots for all that matters.

So... AMD has designed the K8 architecture with a lot of thought, you can't compare it to Intel's old FSB/Net-burst architecture. And with Intel you'll need a chipset upgrade for every cpu change (like SMT). With AMD this isn't required. Also the bandwidth on the HTT bus is enourmous, it can easily support a lot of CPU's no problem.

wow, talk about rude. Just trying to be help full and you get all pissy, jeesss. O well cant please some people. I wont dignify your insults of no higher education. Just trying to provide some help and blast me it every turn...so nice to see you elivating yourself by taking other points and giving them no credit at all.

Plus there is a huge difference when impbeding an SMT thread vs a stadard bus thread cycle...but anyway, I digress. Good night

OPB...any word on stablilty. You getting 100% rock solid gaming...or are you getting strange system hangs an reboots? And with the missing pins...could you identify in more clarity which exsact ones you broke. Read over in the venice OC thread...when you upgrade your chip and have no use for it anymore, I want to try and exparenent with the thermal probe, the venice and the winny have a thermal bug problem, I want to see if giving the probe some impedence would stop the problem. Would like your thoughts as well Thorry.

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uhhh thory. I didnt say that AMD doesn't make great chips, I think they do. I was mearly commenting that the boot proceduce doesn't check the VDD_SENSE proble like the intel chips do. I consider that a slight problem for cases like the above where someone has damages some of the VDD chips. The boot sequnce, IHO needs to be revised to prevent an over volt or under volt. Then again, I am sure that AMD knows more than I do about the ability of their chips, so I hardly think it is an over sight.

The CPU does, however, know if it can boot or not boot baised on power. I could be wrong, but if you read section 7.8 and past that to the boot sequence, it requires the VTT to hte VDDIO, and the VDDIO is set relitive to the VSS and related back the the VTT_SENCE. I could be reading the power diagram wrong, so set me straite if I am...it's been awhile since I had to read power circuit diagrams. But I am farily confident.

O and the MB comment I was refeing to is the whole state of affairs where AMD said the 940 chip was for high perfmance server parts and 754 was for everyone else. Then they came out with the 939 for servers and enthusits and the 754 will be used as the economy board then phased out. Your right though....socket a was the best. Intel has so many board types out it makes my head spin hahahaha.

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Read section 7.1 you'll see it requires a lot to take down the A64 (and we know these are safe estimations, you can go to 25% above those). So AMD doesn't not boot because of some missing VDD or VSS pins, neither wil Intel.

The boot sequence (not really called boot sequence but PrePOST) doens't need to be revised, if the motherboard can't handle the power the system will crash because of stability. The CPU itself can handle a lot so you won't easily damage that.

Undervolt and overvolt situations are 99.9% of all the times checked at the power provider and not at the power user (this applies to everything on earth not just the mobo/cpu combo). And us tweakers remove the OVP if we see the need to. If this were to be integrated into the CPU core you would be very sad.

About the sockets:
They are still phasing out socket-A, it'll be another 5 years before socket 754 is going to phase out (budget systems can use it for many years to come). Also the difference in performance between 754 and 939 is minimal so the Socket 754 platform is just great for those of us that just want a PC.

Socket 940 is now and has always been a server-socket with some early FX'es to provide the early-adopters group. Socket 940 is here to stay, as is socket 939 and socket 754 (which will prolly last the longest of all).

Please keep in mind that the ONLY difference between 939 and 754 is the dual-channel memory interface. Therefor the market splits in 2 sections: the normal users who want good value for money and the power users who just want a great performance. This is followed through into all products (CPU's, mobo's, etc)

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wow, talk about rude. Just trying to be help full and you get all pissy, jeesss. O well cant please some people. I wont dignify your insults of no higher education. Just trying to provide some help and blast me it every turn...so nice to see you elivating yourself by taking other points and giving them no credit at all.

Plus there is a huge difference when impbeding an SMT thread vs a stadard bus thread cycle...but anyway, I digress. Good night

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Sorry didn't mean to come over as rude, but I would like to see the facts right on this forum.

I didn't mean any insult when I asked you if you have a higher tech education. It was a question not a statement. Some of the best overclockers I know don't have any high tech education. They learn from experience.

I'm not blasting you, simply correcting some (IMO) mistakes.

I am pretty sure that socket A was EOL like 3 months ago... As for the socket 940, they eliminated it from future products so I consider it EOL as well. Unless you see 940 on a road map that I missed? (cause we have a 940 246 Opteron that we are pissed about since no more chips are heading our way)

hahaha yeah...i must apologys too. I got angry for no real reason at all. My bad...I better go to sleep, it is like 4:00am where I am...I guess I am getting emotinal hahahah

From the way I understand the way AMD does there APU and FPU, you would need an memoy latch for SMT to work correctly...you are right you wouldnt need a separate memory controler...need to get my lingo right sorry.

No problem :toast:

AFAIK Opteron will use Socket 940 at least until 2006 and prolly longer than that.
The life cycle of server cpu's is a lot longer then that of desktop cpu's and there are rumours that there will be Italy and Denmark cored cpu's in 940 pin packaging. Just because there aren't any new cpu's for a while on a platform doesn't mean the platform is written off.

AMD has a lot of different server CPU's in the market at this time, throwing even more in at this time will not serve a lot of purpose. If there is demand they will release the dual-cored 940 opterons. Imagine a 8-way dual cored opteron system :slobber:

Socket-A has had it's EOL, but there are still vast reserves that are now being sold so it'll be here for a while. And maybe it will be adopted by Via since they are having problems with the 370 sockets they use.

Socket 754 is also used in mobile systems so that's prolly here to stay.

we just have a measly 246, cant afford the 8way, it is 1700 just for the rack. So 2006 you say. I guess that is good. But I was looking to last till 2008...wishful thinking I know. But anything is better than the k6-m's that we were on...dear god they were phased out fast. Had 12 racks with no new processors in sight, still runnig strong though...guess that is to AMD credit.

Would like to see a dual core 24x (well they are on 250 now I think). We have so many threads running at ones it is crazy (run a server for a local college). Sometimes the students have fun with starting their own threads (getting unsed to unix and solarice, with assambaly languae and pearl scripts). Have more threads running that a quilt at that time of year. hahaha

those 370's were sweet though for low power cunsumtion. I thought VIA was going to get in bed with AMD with the GEOAD(err something like that, err was it gecco cant remeber). Didn't think they would pick up on the socket a stuff. Little hotter than the stuff they were working with before, lot faster though. I find it finny that intel is having to jump ship with the netburst and go back to a pIII type archtechre (like the centreno) for the new yonah chip (or that is the rumor at least). Finaly they know that cycles per second aren't as important as caculations does per cycle. AMD knew all along :) way to go.

Anyway. I think I identifed the wrong pins. I used the chart provided by the other guy...problem is that is the left side of the cpu....not the right side...o crap. I will re find the pins according to the amd pin read out (later...im tired now)

I checked the pins, they are correct. Check in the photo where pin 1 is located and then check with the datasheet. Please take notice that the datasheet has the pins shown from above so left and right are reversed.

AMD's Geode cpu is a semi-competitor to VIA's line of chips. AMD leans more to the embedded side, VIA more to the desktop side.

However for the VIA desktop chips they could take up Socket-A. The socket-A doesn't use that much power, the minimal vcore is 1.1 or 0.925 with a mobile. With not much effort VIA could even bring this voltage down.

Because they don't offer a lot of performance they want to keep the price down, making a cpu for a already existing platform is a nice way to do this.

actualy thorry i think the one that is VSS/gound is ak8 which is another NC..double check that if you would (it is right inbetween two Vdd)

i get the bad pins as al: 7-13 and ak-8

You can't be sure on this photo, but safe to say he didn't break anything that causes the CPU not te run because it is running.

He broke some NC pins and maybe some VDD and VSS pins, no biggy, very lucky indeed.

glad you calmed down and get along well now :toast:
im sure none of you wanted to insult/provoce the other

very interesting debate imo :)

thorry, are you sure socket 754 will stay alive for 5 years? that sounds a little too optimisitic to me... amd doesnt force anything but listens a lot to the market, and the market wants 939 and not 754, wich is why they might phase out 754 in one year i think...

and gsus_freak, the low temp bug has most likely to do with the imc and not with the temp probe (there are two low temp bugs if you will, one related to the temp probe misreading temps of 0 and below and the imc problem at low temps i think)

and kevin, i wouldnt ever take the cpu out of the board its stuck in right now!!! :D you risk losing more pins and maybe it will make bad or no contact on some pins if you remove it and put it back in ^^

I'm always optimistic, but why do you need dual channel to run Office? Or on your laptop?

Socket 754 has excellent performance except for the dual channel. This is noticable in prime/pi and things like games and 3dmark. But in Office or when surfing/simple games/multimedia you don't know the difference.

And the thruth is that CPU's have outrun themselves @ speed, you don't need that much speed to have a good PC. A simple Sempron 2400+ with an 6600 videocard will do just about anything for the average user who doesn't need 200 fps in his games or 30 secs in prime.

Also the price of socket 754 is low compared to 939 systems because all of the other components (mobo features, oc features, cooling, memory etc) is matched to the budget.

If you look @ socket-A, it's been around for about 5 years now and will be around for another 1 year depending on stocks. Socket 754 is the follow up and will be used in mobile systems (like laptops, tablet PC etc).

Socket 754 has been around since end 2003 and I believe it will be around till end 2008 at least.

Problem is developments are going faster and faster and faster so only time will tell.

LOL OPB.

Glad you saved me the trouble of trying to fix it.

I did think about looking at the datasheet to see which pins were essential, but with so much damage I assumed that some of them would need repair,

Very lucky indeed.

Please dont drop if off the table again, you wont be this lucky again.

quiet a story ... :D

i lost 1 pin on my old a64 and it didnt work ...u lose 16!! and it works :stick: :D

Wow 16pins off and still working,you are one lukcy guy's OPB :toast: .

But am also lucky,i have also a A64 3200+(s754) with 2pins broking off and it still works just fine.

Good news bro!
Putting in the wrong chip and ending up happy doesn't happen every day, enjoy it man! :toast:

wow!! Just an amazing story :D

C

Gsus and Thorry, I highly appreciate the knowledge from you guys.:)

Holst, I also appreciate your sincere offer!! Because you let me find out my fx55 come alive. :toast:

OPB I would surely invest in a lottery ticket, think of all the new FX57's you can buy with a winning ticket. ;)

I don't know what is more incredible. The fact that your super FX is still alive or how composed you were when you first dropped the CPU. I'm sure I would have needed someone to talk me back off the ledge of a high building.

Now that both you and your CPU are feeling better go do something freaky with it and your new memory. :)

This actually has some interesting ramifications. Cos now we can try fitting 940 chips on 939 platform lol

THough u know OPB, u should send it for RMA and AMD would send you a new one only cos they've probably never seen anything like this before lol and all their engineers will be like: "WTF !!!!! Even we DIDNT NO THAT !!!!! Must have something to do with the Red Sox winning...." :ROTF:

Though, if you have the courage to :D, why dont u take a few more pics of the pins, see if it still works when u put it back lol...prolly will I guess.

Perkam

actualy perkam....you may be onto something. If the pin that was removed was just the ECC pin (which i dont think they have en entire pin dedicated to ECC, haven't looked), then putting a 940 in a 939 might be posible. Hell, if you tried to put a 939 in a 940 and turned ECC off would it work??? I am not brave enough (since our 940's are more like the companys and less like mine). Ill check the pin layout and see what is up.

940's work with unbuffered ram as well, as long as the motherboard bios supports it: Hint new Abit dual opteron board, and Tyans.. both based on nVidia chipset.

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If we know which pin is the extra one we could use a hot needle and melt a hole in the socket so the pin doesnt have to be broken off, too.

Hey i live in Dublin, right by Columbus. Have you ever been to Dublin? Wow, I meet a fellow ohioan online! this is cool! Grats on the fx-55! thats sweet.

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940's work with unbuffered ram as well, as long as the motherboard bios supports it: Hint new Abit dual opteron board, and Tyans.. both based on nVidia chipset.

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If we know which pin is the extra one we could use a hot needle and melt a hole in the socket so the pin doesnt have to be broken off, too.

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You can insulate a pin with the sleeve of a thin audio wire!

someone in belgium had the same thing :)
He broke 2 pins of and the cpu still works and gained 30mhz :p

http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/show...threadid=12782

Man OPB,
You're one lucky bastard ;) . I think I killed my FX55 and it still has all it's pins :rolleyes:

I was shocked when I read someone breaking two pins off and it working..

BUT 16 PINS !!! :O

I thought the 940 + 939 had different pin layouts.

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I thought the 940 + 939 had different pin layouts.

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And you're right, or I'm wrong also! :p:

I think you would need something like "CT940"! :stick:

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I thought the 940 + 939 had different pin layouts.

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This just means that you need to break off more pins!

Let's get cracking!

And peoples says that computer hardwarde is delicate :/
Opb is good example its not that much. I have my own examples too.

Ive droped couple times several hdds - they still works without hitch , no bads.

Ive putted my Amd K4 100 ( it was top ) in cpu socket, but in wrong direction. There was some smoke. I though my cpu burned. I was curious if it can swim, ive droped it to glass with water. After some months ive bought new system, tried old cpu on my new mobo, and guess what .. it was working. The old mobo was also working with my new cpu , but some multipliers wasnt working.

Several times i was checking how hot are my system rams and gpu ram with my fingers and there was spark, only thing that happend was restart. And imagine i know some guys that doesent touch ram chips even if theyre not plugged :/

<a href="http://img209.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img209&image=939pins8nu.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://img209.exs.cx/img209/4306/939pins8nu.th.png" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" /></a>
here is the 939
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here is the 940

as you can see the only pin that is different is the pin in the upper left corner. you get a spaure cut away with the 939 as opposed to the triangle with the 940. Just have to find the book on the 940 to find out what the pin layout is. If ne1 has an online reffernce that would help too cause the office is not really orginize :\

edit*** atualy they also move the black out pin spots on the 939 up for the top and down for the bottow spot...that might be a problem

The main concern it's the "logical pin layout"!

The pins surely route to diferent places in chip!

ya, indeed beat slayer. The hope in my mind is that I can cut away some pins on a 939 and slap it in my 940. I probly wont work...but I can always dream. Looks like if I were to cut away the corisponding chips from a 939 to match up with a 940, they would be a VDD and a VDDIO. That is not good. I would kill a VDD or two without worrying, but a VDDIO is a little scary to me. And I still don't know what the pin in the upper left does. It is surrounded by power and HTT connections, scary.

Just if you wanted to know. The thermal diode is at aj:1-2. and the thermal trip diode (to sent halt state at high temps)is at ag-10. The resest (freze, halt state pin) is lockated at f-8.

Wow! You are a lucky man. My Axp still overclocked to near 2800mhz even with half the core broken off. I accidently dropped my SLK-900a on it!

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hey OPB if you goto http://www.motherboardrepair.com/ they can fix all those pins a friend on a nether forum sent a P4 with 4 missing pins and they put them back on the P4 works like a charm :)

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3pins repair for 30US..then I got 16 pins. :slobber:

Don't give up on the S940->S939 mod. An Opteron 140 only costs like 200$, but has all of the features of an FX55 other than clock speed, and that can be regained by a high HTT which a NF4 is easily capable of.

Does anyone have one of those pin information diagrams? I'll try doing it myself.

This is simply stunning OPB! I know its been said a few too many times already, but you are one lucky son. :D

This does give me an idea though. An Xtreme Systems Pin Removal Contest! See how low you can go on your 939 processor's pin count. :p:

Well, mi 754 just went back tu dead after a friend solder a piece of coper wire instead of a broken pin, but compared with that, it's a joke
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/f/e/fe93b15e.jpg
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/7/9/79bbb758.jpg

ouch...sorry to hear that dude. A thin copper wire isn't going to stand a chance in the high amp world of pin CPU contacts. If it melts and bridges pins, that is gonna cause a whole lot of smoke (potentianly). Did you get a burn out? Looks a little cooked at the edge. Is that die electrice solution by change? Were you on a phase change or TEC solution?

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Don't give up on the S940->S939 mod. An Opteron 140 only costs like 200$, but has all of the features of an FX55 other than clock speed, and that can be regained by a high HTT which a NF4 is easily capable of.

Does anyone have one of those pin information diagrams? I'll try doing it myself.

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FYI... there are some major differences between the two. Starting with the memory interface...

:shocked: :eek2:

you should put it in a glass box and sign it and sell it to a museum.

Congrats

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FYI... there are some major differences between the two. Starting with the memory interface...

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i was gonna say, 939 = 128bit interface
940 = 144bit interface.

it just won't work

also, in addition to all the grounding/power pins, there are quite a few that are probably leftover from 940.
i'm thinking the extra HT links. i'm pretty sure that each HT link on an opteron 8xx gets it's own set of pins. thus if those links aren't used.. you can get away with breaking the corresponding pins.

wow that is very very odd. but kinda funny to in how it still works.

Man thats crazy. Your so lucky it hurts. You should be awarded or SOMETHING lol.

if you live in europe you should try euro millions :D
64 million euros prize next week :p

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Don't give up on the S940->S939 mod. An Opteron 140 only costs like 200$, but has all of the features of an FX55 other than clock speed, and that can be regained by a high HTT which a NF4 is easily capable of.

Does anyone have one of those pin information diagrams? I'll try doing it myself.

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It's completely different layout! you have no way to do that my friend. :)

I'm talking about making an adapter, if the new opterons apparantly support non buffered/regged memory than it's just a matter of matching up the signals and removing dual support.


Failing that, are there any S940 mobos that are good for overclocking? I haven't paid attention to the S940 scene untill now.

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are there any S940 mobos that are good for overclocking?

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None that are worth the trouble of ECC ram/bad oc options/limited availability/expensive hardware along with no guarantee that your opteron will be ocable :rolleyes: .

Perkam

At 200$ I could buy 5 and only pay as much as a FX55. Mods arn't a problem, just a good chipset, a bios with options like DFIs, and no serious bugs. I can do any mods needed.

sick :slobber:

holy thread revival lol

NC = No Connect, VSS = Ground (you lost one...) :rolleyes:

You lucked out!

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/pins.jpg

-FCG

Time for the ever hilarious picture:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1...s4dt1tt5br.jpg

arent there s940 and s939 agp boards that use the same PCB?

Of course there are differences, but I dont think there are quite as many as it seems.

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sick :slobber:

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http://img49.photobucket.com/albums/...read_necro.png

magic :)
try to do this "pin mod" on a fx57 and break some world record
LOL,j/k

I think we should take a cpu, break off every N/C and unused (debug) pin there is and overclock it. :D

this is amazingly old thread. Stop replying to it ppl. ;)