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Finally got the damn board. Here are some bios screenies you've all been waiting for. Will report more after I get her up and runnin.
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/P2160076.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/P2160077.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/P2160078.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/P2160079.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/P2160080.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/P2160081.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/P2160082.JPG
congrats. bud & good luck :toast:
pics mobo :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
Only 2.80V on ram? This is absurd, even Neo has more, 2.85V.
Mmmm, a lot of memory tweak options like DFI's, even VTT adjustments but, what the hell, Only 2.8v max vdimm ? that's crap.
Any mobo pics?
2.8 + .6
Look again.
:banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gitsum
now how about some action?! :D
if its 2.8+.6 then the CPU is also 1.85+.6? now why the heck would they allow you that much cpu voltage? 2.45 is amazing? and total overkill. i like how they just have plain numbers, and not this percentage crap i have been seeing lately. i hate having to have a little calculator next to me just to know what voltage i'm giving it....
Hmmm, I need some result quick, think I will buy one :)
How does it play with TCCD, BH-5?
Not sure what the deal is, but in the uGuru in Window's, there is a VDDRRef and a VCPURef settingd which you can adjust up or down to .1v but doing this seems to have no effect according to the voltage monitoring.
The manual doesn't say much about it either. Perhaps someone else knows what these settings are for.
Oh, and for once, the temp readings are more believable. :banana:
I've got 32c at idle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Yeah its pretty stupid.
pic's of the board itself :)
Also, in the bios screens above, you see the ref voltage adjustments as being .10-.60, but in the uGuru it is .01-.10
I believe there is a typo somewhere.
So, in theory, the RAM voltage should go to 2.9 using the uGuru.
how about setting it in BIOS (2.8v + 0.6v) check?!
Wonder if the ocz booster will work on this mobo?
Well, I made a mistake, it does go to .10 in the bios as well, I just didn't scroll down.
BUT, Setting the ram to 2.8 and the VDDRRef to +.1, I still only show 2.82 in the uGuru monitoring.
We will see shortly.
there are also the "special " fatality bios hopfully . So they could get those limits up
In the DDR and CPU Ref. Voltage, what does +10, +20, etc mean? Is it volts, % or ...?
I cant imagine abit giving that much voltage allowance to a cpu if i had to guess its +.01-.06 for a max of 2.86 memory and 1.91 vcore. It's definitely not % 2.8 +10% comes out to 3.08v and 60% is 4.48v.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebluesgnr
easiest way to find out would be for gitzum to set the vcore and vdimm really low like 2.5 vdimm and maybe 1.35vcore then crank both to +60 and use cpu z to determine voltages.
However i hope that its .60 volts 3.4vdimm would be nice.
And once again the mention of the SSB( super secret bios) rears its fairy head. As far as most of us at Xtreme are concerned it doesnt exist. There is no url for it no one who claims to have it wishes to prove it so we will treat it like a leprechaun. So many stories about them yet no proof they exist. Then it must be a fairy tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3FFeX
wOw... finally you have daboard.. :slobber: :slobber:
a litlle kestion,do bh5 like fatal1ty ????
i whant this board in portugal..
:D :D :D
post more results, i'm very curious to see the results.
bios ?? :banana:
hug'z
;)
well give the bios some time.
the shipping bios with my DFI wouldn't let me change the vdimm from 2.5 volts. pretty freaking weird....
do we have an abit insider who posts here who can quiet us down or what?
Don't know about BH5. Unlike some folks around here, I don't have a stack of RAM lying around to try. I am still getting things installed and will do some overclocking shortly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ...:::MadDog:::
I was wondering why they shipped a calculator with my DFI. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
tanks man.. good luck wiht the oc's ...that's the real kestion,
do an8 fatal1ty's good overcloker ?? do she like subzero temp's ???
and what about htt ???
i whant to buyt.. but :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
good luck.. make 3k :D
waiting for results .
hug's
:)
Gitzum there is another post on the an8 with current issues he's found
1. no way to change cpu multi at this point in time.
2.uGuru does not work in windows.(he's using another proggy to OC in windows)
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i dont think this number
stand for +0.0XX V inc :hehe:
there is no point to increase the RAM voltage at 0.01V inc. :confused:
so might be % or +0.XX V
ANy good luck & Happy Tweaking :toast:
I hope your right tic tac but the other post going on the an8 the user upped vdimm to 2.8 and turned ddr/ref voltage to +60 and got 2.85v max. Maybe the fatality board will yield higher? also on another note the an8 only goes up to 1.8 vcore in bios i noticed the fatality went to 1.85 vcore. As soon as i get the bios hes gonna try it in the an8 see if it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/pic/AN8-F2.JPGQuote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/pic/AN8-F3.JPG
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/pic/AN8-F4.JPG
uGuru works for me. Doesn't have multiplier adjustments. Clocks the HTT, PCIe, and all the voltages, and six different fan headers.
I am unable to change multi in bios as well. Hopefully that is not the case with an FX cpu. Cause I got one comin! :confused:
I just report the multiplier issue to my friend in ABIT Indonesia. They will let Taiwan know :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gitsum
Ifyou have any other issue just let me know :)
I would like to say that this is the fifth ABIT board I have had in the last couple years and it has been the easiest to get going. No problems getting it to install Window's or wondering if the PCI is locked or not.
So far I have been able to get my 3500+ upto 2550mhz with only 1.525v
This was not possible on my NEO2. No big deal for some of you but I am using all air cooling and my RAM tops out at around 255.
I am quite pleased with this board so far. I think I will probably wait till some time next week when my FX-55 shows up before I really see what she can do.
Oh, and the video card is spankin the eVGA 6800GT a had before too. Which happens to be for sale on E-Bay.
You gotta laugh at Abit folks. They are making gadgets. They put up this VDimm to 2.8V and then they are giving you this plastic assembly to cool memory. Cool from what, summer heat? :banana:
And this thing is $50 more expensive than DFI. You gotta be crazy to pay that much more for worse board.
This isn't the bash fatality AN8 thread this is fatality first look and the fact that it didnt arrive DOA is a plus which I can't say the same for other *cough* motherboards available right now. IF you wanna bash a brand or board start your own thread please.
yea really, lets not start a board war.
besides, everybody here should hope that the ABIT fatality is a great board. because that gives US more options to choose from, and it keeps the companies honest when there is competition out there.
i'm hoping that the "special" bios if it exists, gives it as many options for voltage as the DFI, and its great that they just have +voltage, instead of % increase.
man, the Nf7 just had the voltage you wanted to give it, pllain and simple, no +voltage of VID, and crap like that.
I've had several Abit boards and have loved them all, I hope this one turns out well as I'd like to see Abit make a real strong come back.
I'd really hate to see them lose too much market share and give up on us overclockers.
well ok but i sure as hell aint gonna pay more for a fatality board if it aint givin me results...i dont care who they name the board after...
How is differencs between Fatal1ty and regular AN8 ?
Write some infromation about volteges stability, and about fan noisylity ;)
It is still early for this board - there's no use in judging it harshly yet. The NF7 didn't get good until a couple of revisions, and the NEO2 I have now performs better than the one I got in August. Having said that, I still don't have much faith in ABIT right now, but we'll see :) The multiplier issue could easily be fixed with a BIOS update.
You're right! :banana: i think the same way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Plain and simple, nothing more :toast:
Stay :cool:
Fatality is SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by dymONE
Rozdil je v tom ze Fatality je SLI :D
Nah...the Fatal1ty is Ultra.Quote:
Originally Posted by $0m#0n#
but i hear they are gonna come up with an SLI version later
Any chance this works with the Thermalright XP-120?
hmm, so what's the difference coze I thought it's SLI by the priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Asky
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by $0m#0n#
OMG its bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:.
So, what is a differnet ? Some setups in Bios, and then ? :brick:
looking good
i love the dark red pcb ....... unlike abits normal dirty brown :D
:banana: :banana: :banana:
This marks the beginning of the Abit vs DFI wars for overclockers
:bananal: :bananal:
ROUND ONE !!!!
FIIIIGHT :eleph:
:D :D :D
p.s. sorry couldnt avoid the Mortal Kombat inuendo :rolleyes:
difference...well..i think there will be a special bios for the fatal1ty that will include more overclocking options?it also has otes ramflow,led's etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by $0m#0n#
and.....yea..you can use the fatal1ty motherboard to kill someone :D
"Built To Kill"
the fatality AN8 looking good , but the dimm voltages to low for me
its msi vs abit, the dfi look better for my first impression
I just ordered one and will have it in my Vapochill LS on Friday evening if Monarch Computers comes through and ships my dam 3500+
Never dealing with those hoes again.
Game VE and newegg are so much better.
Yes there will be a special bios for the fatality users to give us more overclocking options i.e unlocking all multiplyiers and probbly 3.2 or more on the VDIMM but will void the RMA warrenty.
Its nice to know the temps work normally LOL as MSI and DFI
I am also sure this motherboard will be stable as a rock , coming from a IC7 MAX 3. The MSI Neo 2 PLat was plagued with issues , like stuttering and temp issues. Not a good board if you ask me. I would take the fatality over MSI Neo 4 or DFI
DFI is a poor mans board :)
Can you say
Sudden death
The package looks really cool! Come on give us some results quickly!
Come off it bro, I love Abit and used a IC7-MAX3 for over a year, but, no matter what you want to argue, that board was plagued with poor voltage control and a great many BIOS issues. Remember VTT tracking???Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
Saying DFI is a poor mans board is a blatent lie. Abit is great, yes, I have used several in my life and wish nothing but the best for this new board. Talking of this DFI "Sudden death" is flat out immature. A few people have seen problems with it, but read around, just as many deaths with the Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI.
Why???
Because the NF4 is VERY sensitive to voltages. One slip up when installing a hard drive, and boom, death.
Dont try to bolster your own purchase by ragging on others.
I bet money my overclock is better then your DFI :)
Come on guys let's keep this thread about the Fatal1ty AN8. :)
:D Maybe the only way to kill someone is a heart attack caused by the board when destroying a brandnew FX-55............ :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Asky
LOL :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
BTW any news on the Special Bios?
ROFL at HCC. O_o Hey I'm glad urs still works(cpu that is)
Didn't stop my heart :) Got close though :PQuote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
That looks damn good. As much as I dont like the whole fatatlity crap atlest it looks nice.
Uhh... duh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
I'm not using a Vapochill system, plus I only consider overclocks stable if I can prime and superpi.
Following your posts on Hard for some time now I never see you post anything such as those in terms of stability.
Anyhow, I'm not saying the ABIT AN8 is not a great board, read back, I have already posted I am hoping for great things from this board.
I only took note of your blatent attack on the DFI without ANY proof that such problems really occur to those who do not misuse the product.
It comes down to this, I like Abit mobos, always have, I like the looks of the mobo very much. If their SLI version was out when I purchased my setup I might very well have considered it. I wish you great luck with your overclocks and I hope this board lives up to your expectations.
But... DONT come around bashing someone else's hardware when you CANT back it with facts.
Learn to accept that other products may very well be equal to if not greater then your own.
Finally, for using nothing but aircooling and mostly stock equipment, reaching a stable 1:1 memory speed of 313mhz on a winchester 3500+ is a pretty damn good overclock... if I do say so myself.
My CPU is of a VERY poor stepping and week (week 51 CBBID) so reaching a higher mhz is not possible, period.
There are more ways to overclock then pure CPU MHZ alone.
:hehe: ....Luck youQuote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
:rolleyes: :lol:
Seriously though...lol
Sup jinu117??? How you doin bro? How is the Fatal1ty looking guys?
Ok ... quick preview on your current Fatal1ty Bios
Your bios version now is : version 11
Equip with NVMM : Version 4.73 23-11-2004
NVMM is something like nForce2 BPL module... controlling PCR register ... AFAIK ;)
and funny thing is... i think i just saw ROMSIP table in the bios ... thats cool for modding :hehe:
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Thats interesting.
Modders get your tools ready.
I noticed that to when i was taking a quick peek at it earleir tic tac.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
looks good, can we clairfly some stuff...
alright, what is the max Vdimm...It appears to be 2.8+.6 but then someone said 2.8v so....
jjcom
jjcom its just 2.85, nothing more.
whats the 2.8 +.6 for...or is it .06...:eek: need that nicer BIOS Abit, hurry, don't make people live with...:eek: 2.85v:eek: :(
jjcom
We could be wrong about the +1 to +6 maybe abit just hasnt enabled it after all it is a first release mobo with its first bios.time will tell.
Sup :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pr0d1gy
Yeah it is me in few other forums with same nick :)
Doing fine... trying to resist urge to click on that checkout button until I hear few more things on this Fatal1ty board :)
From the ABIT NF8 manual:
"DDR Ref Voltage: This item selects the reference voltage needed for DRAM slot to increase its conformity."
???
Oh, until now I never took you for such an intellectual type. Seriously, what are you doing wasting your time posting on a web forum when the world needs a cranial capacity such as yours? World hunger, the AIDS virus, nuclear proliferation, global warming... which will you tackle first?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
Really, such perspicacity must not be wasted here!
We will see who laughs last my good fellow, we will see.
In my Fatal1ty manual it says,Quote:
Originally Posted by thebluesgnr
"DDR Ref Voltage: "Ancient Chinese secret."
HA HA No, but really it says this;
DDR Ref Voltage: This item selects the voltage for DDR memory reference."
CPU Ref Voltage: This item selects the voltage for CPU memory reference."
Can anyone explain these?
:confused:
you got me on that one i have no clue either. I wish it said *ancient chinese secret* at least id understand it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebluesgnr
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
ancient chinese secret... how to enable it? :banana:
Same here, I might have ot ditch that Neo2 you sold me to fund a Fatal1ty if it turns out to be as good as advertised.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Maybe the board is preprogrammed with the voltage for the individual piece of hardware?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gitsum
Cool pics.
I've seen the board in person, its sexy as hell (my windowed Lian-Li wants it I hear).
I'll pick one up. :cool:
how about firing some emails to ABIT tech support (in hope they are still awake :D) & ask for a clarification about the voltages & multis.?
Can you say "user error"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
Seriously, there aren't enough reports of trouble to even come close to making this statement.
I've got one of these abit A8N's on order, but I'm not expecting too much. Abit hasn't been the same since thier best engineer's left for DFI. This new board has all the usual gimmicks, but where's the beef? The voltages are far too wimpy. And the idea of having to flash to a BIOS that voids your warranty just to get higher voltages is BS :stick:
That said, I've always been a Abit fan and its been sad to see their decline n the last 18 months. I'm hoping the A8N signals a turn around. I'm tired of all the plastic gimmicks for the kiddies (OTES, etc) and would like to see the Abit boards get back to basics....high stability at high overclocks. And some real voltage choices that don't void your warranty!
I'll have some A8N results this weekend.
Nah, dude. I know Conrad is no noobie, I'm not one myself, we've both lost a board pretty early. Mine croaked during a reboot from a pretty mild memtest session. (250x11, 2-2-2 w/VX, 3.3VDimm, cooled fet...error-free session I might add!) Nothing the cpu/mem haven't done before with ease in other boards. I do agree that there aren't enough reports to say that this is going to be a trend, and there are plenty of noobie-type "I'm lost, wtf" posts on this forum and DFI's, but some of these boards have just dropped out. Conrad and I both got in on first shipping of these boards, I'm hoping some of the first release had some QA issues and all will be well from here, but time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
OK guys, can we stay on topic with the Fatal1ty please? Alot of us are considering this board and would like to keep this thread clean except for Fat discussion. I hope I don't come off sounding like a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: or the "forum police". I just don't care to hear an argument about the DFI problems on this thread.
So the voltage is weak, but the board is stable & pretty? Sounds decent, but IDK if I would spend $200 on that. A $200 PCIx board should be a high end piece that we could build on in the future. If it won't clock well, then there is a big problem. I know the P4 Fatality was reviewed & basically considered the best P4 OCing board by a pretty wide margin. I was hoping for similar quality from the AMD version and it would surely be a letdown if this board didn't OC well.
Sounds alot like what MSI does. Ill give a brief rundown. MSI has their setup like so:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gitsum
CPU VID
CPU Voltage
The VID is the base voltage while the CPu voltage goes in percentiles. It worked like so:
CPU VID = Default (until changed / max of 1.55) = 1.4v
CPU voltage (max of 10%) = 10%
1.4 x 10% = 1.55v
I assume this is what Abit is using. Ie they are refering to the base voltage to be used + a percentage value (which is a different setting in the same tab)
I saw something on Abit forums, but can't seem to find it again. If you register with them for something or another (I can't really remember if it was something to do with a fatal1ty club), you can get a special BIOS e-mailed to you with a code to open it in Windows and put on a floppy, then you flash it and you get crazy voltage and OCing options. I'll keep looking.
No, it is not a percentage like MSI does. It is a milivolt setting that can be added or subtracted. In the screen shot you can see I added on the VCPUref and subtracted on the VDDRref.
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/uGuru.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/klaasman/eq.jpg
That must be the "Magic BIOS" I've seen people refering to. I have seen nothing mentioned at the Abit forums nor was there any reference to joining or registering included in the mobo documentation either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQQKY
well if all it is is register for abit forums and register your board, then go ahead and do it!
i'm registered at abit forums ever since my nf7-s. which was why i've recently constantly been trying to justify an abit purchase, becuase i like them so much.
edit: i went and perused abits forums a little bit and found this bit of info.
This special bios isn´t bulls***, since I invented it for Abit for their "Innovation Awards 2004" in summer 2004. I called this feature as N.S.N (No Soldering Needed) technology.
Those outrageous overclocking options would be unleashed by special bios, that you can get from Abit when you send them your board SN.
Thou, I dont know if its possible to "hardcode" the bios for specific SN only, since AFAIK the board doesn´t "know" its own SN.
Your board SN will be listed in "Warranty void" list by Abit, so using this bios will void your board warranty.
Most people ask why this bios voids your board warranty, even there isn´t any physical modifications done.
The answer is simple: When board components are pushed beyond their manufacturer rated specifications ex. AA8XE Fatal1ty 925 rev. E MCH (NB) core voltage is raised over absolute maximum 1.65V (rated by Intel), the lifetime of that certain component will be decreased (in theory). When the lifetime of component decreases, MTTF (Mean time to failure) will also decrease and when the component finally fails Abit will be the one who is responsible. Thats the reason why the warranty is voided.
My idea was to offer easier way to get better overclocking features that motherboard manufacturers currently dare to offer. Because most enthusians aren´t enough skilled or willing to make physical modifications to their product, I wanted to offer safer way to get those features.
- Roger
so what i would do is email ABIT support i guess, with your SN#, they will know what board you have by that and send you the special bios.
this is about the aa8xe board though, not the an8, so i don't think this bios will void your warranty like the intel. but either way, abit's E-RMA service just seems to take boards back regardless of what you have done to them.
edit again: go here http://www.abit-usa.com/support/techsupport.php
and give them all the info they ask for, it asks for serial number and board model, then ask for the special bios.
OK. Sent e-mail to tech-support asking about special bios and also told them about the multi issue and asked what the hell the VDDR and VCPU ref voltage adjustments do.
Wow... that's cool. Just flash back to the original bios if you end up frying it.
I would really like to know how it perform with sub-zero cooling.
We also need to have hipro or hell-fire take a look at the voltage possibilities ;)
:confused: :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilverXP
"
Your board SN will be listed in "Warranty void" list by Abit, so using this bios will void your board warranty. "
This page says that it is only for USA-CANADA.Will they answer my request for that bios?How can i have access to the same tech support page for Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Any link for that? Plzzzzzzzzz
I wasn't referring to anyone specific, so don't be offended:)Quote:
Originally Posted by mikead_99
Relax. Discussing the boards shortcomings as well as its strengths, and how it compares to the competition, is important in the evaluation of the mobo. No one needs a thread that glosses over weaknesses and only gives postive hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pr0d1gy
I hope Abit doesn't pull the same warranty voiding crap with this board just to get decent voltages :mad: The A8N won't last 30 minutes on my stand with Vdimm of 2.85v. Perhaps a leaked BIOS might be the trick.
So what your saying is i was right gitsum about +10 to +60 being +.01v to .06v which gives a max of 1.91 vcore and 2.86vdimm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gitsum
1.91 vcore is cool heck my gigabyte is supposed to fry if coldboot at 1.85
wish the memory went higher though giving us 1.9 vdimm +.06 would be nice heck even 1.85 +.06 would be decent. At least that would be the same they gave for the nf7-s.
Just so some of you have a reference my k8nsultra 939 only allows to 1.7 vcore and the msi only gave 1.85 so 1.91 is a nice allowable voltage. MY guess is it will max out at 1.90 because im sure that the +01 to +60 setting is + or - .01 volts
So far we have this.
pros
looks good
5.1 audio daughter card(nf4 audio is its weakpoint IMO)
Rock stable at stock
Stable voltages(not alot of fluctuating)
Northbridge has good placement(If you read around people are having trouble using aftermarket heatsinks/waterblocks due to vid card interference.)
Temps appear to be accurate.(**update there are reported issues of temps innacurate after third reboot after resetting bios**)
Vtt tracks good
Pci and Pci-E locks are working
cons
Max vdimm 1.85
mutipliers are not acessible(**Beta bios has fixed this issue**)
Uguru does not clock atm(goes hand in hand with multis locked)
an8 and fatality max vcore 1.75 with winnie 1.85 with newcastle(If anybody reaches higher without mods let me know ill update this)
an8 vanilla does not like tccd(**Beta bios has now fixed this issue**)
floppy ide is not a desirable location
If anyone is wondering why I'm including both boards just look at the pics. It looks like the same pcb layout and I believe the boards are identical minus NF4 ultra chip and I believe that the fatality bios will work on this. If it doesnt i will start a seperate thread on AN8.
Anyone with Issues please feel free to post as I will eventually start a AN8 Bugs tips tricks mods thread as we get more info.
Max clock to date on fatality an8
3500+ @ 2550 memory topped out at 255(note this just may be memories max not boards)
Max clock to date on vanilla an8
3200+ @ 2350 10X235 cpu topped out at 240(note this may be cpu's max not the boards)
Max Htt at this time with fatality an8 is 375.
It doesn't like TCCD? Bugger, I have G.Skill 4400LE and plan to use it on a new nF4 board.
Gitsum, if they send you a special BIOS can you keep us updated with voltages please? I like this board and I may purchase this next month with a new Winchester. Its a toss up between this and DFI at the moment and I'm not bothered about SLi just yet so this may be my choice, hopefully it is a great overclocker like the NF7.
If there is a special BIOS and it does well with TCCD then I'll be able to test the sub-zero capabilities with my Mach II GT.
I did order the AN8 Fatality but GAME VE is on backorder thank god i got my refund .
I just ordered the DFI NF4 NON SLI for 150 bucks and will be shipped quick .
I am also using TCCD PC4400 RAM
Cant wait