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what in the world are they thinking?
:slobber: Unbelievable !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DanIdentity
thanx God I already had it :D
so, will there be TCCE?
looks like this will be the end of DDR era...:(
well thats just plain silly, there just throwing money away doing that - all us overclockers will just head on over to the winbond ranch, samsung have certainly shot themselves in the foot if this proves to be true
it seems 2 b the new trend...
bring out an awesome new memory chip and then once it gets popular, discontinue it (eg bh5/6 and now TCCD)
:confused: :rolleyes: :mad:
Bh5 / 6 was very very long on the market before they took it of. Tccd has been here a while now to.
Any ideas if theres anything new on the horizon? Or is the TwinMos Speed Premium /winbond UTT going to take over?
so sohuld I be ordering some TCCD tonight?
:D Hey Bias - new avatar? You really look like a gentelman now...... :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by bias_hjorth
Yes before the prices skyrocketQuote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
yea, think ill be safe if i do it tonght, don't have my hands on a CC right now. God damnit. OCZ VX Gold sound good?
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Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
:D I most certainly am - Newer yes - Still mr. walnuts :cool:
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Anyway now its time to be looking after something new - I bet my gskill tccd modules could earn me a buch or two
grr... Will someone make new chips? or is DDR over
i wouldnt say DDR is over, but i think AMD may speed up their transition to DDR2, especially seeing the insane FSB's reached by the new DFI / MSI sli mobo's
Enthusiast market is nothing to them...
conspiracy against AMD by ixxxx n sxxxxxx ?
:banana:
Plot to force AMD into DDR2? lol don't know whjy just thought it...
Funny theory but hardly a fact
It was hard enough finding the G.Skill LA 1gb kit even when it wasn't known that TCCD was done... Now it will be ultra hard. I just ordered some from europe, no more waiting. Im currently using the LA 512 kit but that's easy to find! :P
lol kgarcia newegg has 1gb LA kit :P
HOLY CRAP !!! ...NO WAY :( .... THE FUTURE IS XDR !!!! :(
THE SAME DAY THAT ANNOUCE THE END OF TCCD, THEY ANNOUNCE THIS ON THEIR WEBSITE:
SAMSUNG Electronics Goes into Mass Production of the World’s Fastest Memory for Multimedia Applications
I just hope it can OC :( !!!
Perkam
angh, so now our new Nforce board are using outdated ram interface...nice
well i shoudl have bought the LE kit yesterday when it was instock silly me, hopefully i can catch it on the next run
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Originally Posted by perkam
Hell, AMD should forget DDR2/3 or whatever then, implementing XDR to their dual core chips would be some killer :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:Quote:
That speed is ten times faster than DDR 400 memory and five times faster than RDRAM ™ (PC800).
how long untill the TCCD ram goes away
cool down peepz, we could find another good replacement! :D (BH-5/6 ==> VX, & so on...)
IMHO, DDR didn't die yet ;)
Ok, XDR will intially run at about 3.2Ghz, making it 8x faster than the rare amounts of DDR2 that can run DDR800. You're talking about a jump from DDR800 to DDR6400. It won't need to overclock initially. Reports say that by 2006 Samsung will be able to scale it to 8Ghz, making it, what is that, DDR16000? That 20x faster than the best current DDR2. I understand this is XS, but assuming it runs at something lower than like 10-15-15-25(just making up random numbers here, no hating allowed), it should be more than sufficient. It would still be nice and fun as hack to OC, but there may not be an actual need for it. With that said, I don't believe this RAM will be seen in an AMD rig at anything near a reasonable price for several years to come... :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
OT: DDR16000...... :slobber:
why would you even want to overclock it? it already provinding up to 12 GIGS per second, ... thats simply amazing amount of bandwidth, thats like 4x more then what PC3200 can provide and 3x faster then PC4000!Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Well, seems strange to me but obviously there is some good reason for that - DDR2 I guess.
this should be nice, finally "real" 1:1 on memory / CPU speed imagine have ur ram at wots now L1 cache speeds :)
It would be easy (given their man power and resources) for Intel to implement direct XDR support into their planned new chips, I fear an AMD killer platform on the way within the next 12 months that could spell game over... :eek:
so will it be a new interface or will it be on DDR2
You talking about XDR?
It'll run on a completely new interface, new motherboard with chipset support, new CPU...
Chances are both nVidia and ATI would be the first mass buyers of XDR chips for their next gen graphics cards, if reports are anywhere accurate on the capabilities of those cards, neither could afford not to implement such killer bandwidth into their cards... :D
Wonder how long it will be till TCCD is completely gone off store shelves? Guess I will have to buy some gskill early. Where can I find some 2x512 LA?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=52719
Please post comments above, we're trying to get things more active in regards to the front page news (this is a front page item, incase you guys didn't know :D )
hey all im really new here but i believe it was Sony or Microsloft who is planning on using the XDR memory chips @ a frequency of around 3 ghz to power their next gen console.ie PS3 or Xbx2 i will try to dig up that article somewhere
OT: some of your scores are so intimidating i dont even wanna post
OCZ VX for all
Or TMSP
Didn't most people know it was going to happen eventually though?
funny agent's name is Eva heh
now retailers gonna start price hiking their samsung tccd based ram :(
oh please, dont pull the "why would you want to overclock XDR, its so fast!"
if were going to play that game then ill have to pull out the "why are you overclocking your fx-55, its the fastest chip in the market!"
keep your eye on ocz for some new rev hynix. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
I also suspect that just as was with winbond, there is still a great deal of tccd left in the channel. Samsung has bigger fish to fry, That's all. It's hard to make money in the semiconductor industry with tight yields at the highest end of performance.
Ridiculus, they love repeating themselves don't they? Hell, they pulled BH-5 a while back and it still kicks ass.
Well most BH-5 rocks, that is...mine is dying rapidly after a twenty minute run at 4.4v (NF7-S vDIMM mod + OCZ Booster) and I'm finding myself completely unable to overclock my new winchester 3500+ using the same ram...reckon I should pick up some TCCD? Or is there something else that can take me to and beyond 300FSB with relatively low timings? This looks really good
All hail DH-5!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me wonders if OPK has DH-5...
TheInq hasn't been known to have the most accurate information. I asked an OCZ rep that frequents forums (OCZJohn) about the rumor and he said he's heard of the rumor but nothing official. I woudn't worry so much until OCZ and other companies stop producing TCCD ram. Are there any other more reliable sources that you guys can quote? If not, take it easy for now...
Bigtoe confirmed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=52630&page=1
So OCZ vz OCZ :confused:
yeah, but the difference between the absolute fastest memory today(DDR2) and XDR is nearly an order of magnitude. the difference between mainstream winnie's and FX-55's(and the OC'ing of the FX chips) is not nearly as great. At some point the law of diminishing returns kicks in, reducing the improvements seen by increasing speed. Games will play perfectly and applications will open instantly. The jump from DDR800 to DDR6400 would be HUGE, and at that point all of todays games will not even come close to utilizing that much bandwidth. Overclocking from say DDR6400 to DDR7000 or something would yield NO noticeable gains, except in the area of benchmarking. This is the only area where the overclocks of something of the speed of XDR would be noticeable at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ocmyface
On the flip side, today's CPUs are not at the point where all games and apps will run perfectly with a stock FX-55. OC'ing can still yield visible improvement in the playing of the most demanding games and applications.
All in all, these two things are totally different animals.
Makes me wonder what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by I(illa Bee
DH-5 :confused:
OPK :confused:
Care to elaborate?
i believe he means OnePageBook, and the mystery RAM that he picked up a while ago.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=52117
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02...s_6118242.html
a bit more on XDR. Looks like it will find its way into PS3. Rambus lives!
im sorry, i ment OPB...I Think i typed OPK thinking of the operation peace keeper mod for BFV... OPK, lol sorry, damm acronymsQuote:
Originally Posted by bias_hjorth
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=52117
One thing that puzzles me is in that samsung press report linked on the 1st page, it says that xdr is more than 10x faster than ddr400 and more than 5x faster than pc800 RD ram. I had pc 800 RD ram in an old p4 for a while and it was a hell of a lot slower than any ddr 400, much less any nice overclocked tccd (since were on the topic here). Am I mistaken? I was thinking pc800 rdram was for a 400mhz fsb p4, and 1066 rd ram was for 533mhz fsb p4's before they went 2.4c etc with the 800mhz fsb and ddr400. Oh well, it stinks that theres no more tccd, but I would immagine that there will be some form of replacment (in one form or another) before the whole DDR era is over.
What timings will XDR RAM have? Hopefully not CL30-40-40-80 :rolleyes:
I just want to let everyone in this thread know that Legit Reviews has published an article dealing with the Samsung TCCD issue. :stick: In the Article they have comments from OCZ, Kingston, Corsair, and Mushkin dealing with the situation.
The article can be found here: http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=161
:toast:
Looks like we can all sit back and relax because TCCD's are here for months and months.
Also they have a quote from Ryan the CEO of OCZ saying that Samsung has cut production back. This goes against what Big Toe said (who is an employee of OCZ) about them stopping production all together.
god will I have to buy the best tccd I can get before its gone and anyone with any left wants like 500 bucks a gig?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...231-008&depa=0
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...231-006&depa=0
why is the la $30 more and its only rated pc3200 while the le is pc4400? I bet the le can also do pc3200 clocks at 2-2-2-5 but I want 290+ 1:1 t1 at 2.5-3-3-x when I go venice. seeing that samsung is discountinuing their tccd line, I must act quick before tccd prices shoot thru the roof and supplies dry up. I can keep my patriot but I can only achieve ~250fsb. It is most likley my ondie controller but I can play it safe and ebay this patriot and pay the few extra $ for gskill and ill be guaranteed at least 275 1:1 with venice. I am tempted to go for the le unless the la is constantly better, like ddr600 at 2.7v t1 2.5-3-3-x itll also prove once and for all if my winchester is limting me or not but ill go Venice once they come out. Please tell me what I should do.
1. keep the patriot and take a chance that tccd wont jump to $400+ and also take a chance and hope my patriot does 275+ in my venice
2. get gskill Le for $262
3. get gskill La for $292(tell me why)
Its open season on the Samsung Executives, thats all I got to say.
ok I am going with the le, its much better. $30 cheaper, 2.5-3-3 and t1 timing. The la does do 300fsb(if your ondie controller is good enough) but at 3-4-4 and t2 it would be way slower than the le. 2x256mb arent an option for me as I need the gig for gaming. so its either I keep my patriot and hope it does high when I get venice or get gskill which most likley will just be wasted with the winchester till I go venice. I could wait till I go venice but wont gskill be like $400 by then?
rdram I think was 32bit while running at 800mhz, pc3200 ddr is 64bit while running at 400mhz. So they are about the same speed, or rather, same bandwidth. ddr is usually faster for a few other reasons, one is you can have tighter timings, not sure how much tigher, and this isn't the whole reason why it's better, and I'm not sure if I'm 100% accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by madgamer
But this makes me wonder, I'd like to see some actual numbers rather than this is x times faster than this, that dosn't mean too much.
True, but the newer revision TCCD have only been around for a few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by bias_hjorth
Glad I got the Gskill when I did. Not really as they dropped by over $30
not two weeks after I bought mine. Such is the nature of PC hardware.
By the time it comes to market they already have two better products lined up. :rolleyes:
kinda annoying that samsung can do this.
purposefully stop producing TCCD to push DDR2 (which no one seems to be buying anyways) to almost force the market to a direction they want it to go...
seems kinda shady if you ask me.
especially since DDR2 is basically intel stuff, and intel is doing so poorly with thier attempts with DDR2 on the market so far...
Can't another company lisence TCCD technology and just produce it themselves?
exactly, but i mean.... theres more money in it for them in ddr2 cuz they can charge more for new technology :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
How true.Quote:
Originally Posted by blinky
Have you guys been reading this? http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=161&pid=1
I'd get some TM SP over tccd any day anyway. I never thought tccd was that big of a deal.
if amd wants to stop making cpu's tomorrow they can. if ford want to stop making cars tomorrow - they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
tbh if any of you were on the board and it was a "well we can stop making this ram, which only a small group of overclockers use.... or we can make the move into DDR2 which a huge company called Intel with a huge customer called Dell are using" situation - what would you do?
....
Sometimes a lot of you guys fail to see past your own nose. These are multi-billon dollar companies and the overclocking market - should it fall dead tomorrow - wont dent them.
Also if TCCD ceases to exist, the world wont end. Its not great news, but I wouldnt put it up there with when BH-5 went and there was nothing else in its place. At least now you have the OCZ VX and prolly some other ram waiting in the wings.
Chill out :)
Anyone knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ref
:stick:
I just don't see this as anywhere near as big a deal as some in this thread are making it.
UTT is at hand, so it's not like when Winbond stopped making memory.
And as BH5 is showing so well in the new NF4 boards many of us have no need for new RAM anyway.
By the time a rig with a gig of BH5, TCCD or UTT in a DFI NF II MB with a good vid card of your choice needs replaced then Samsung may well have out this new XDR memory into channel. Such a present day high end rig won't be at the top of the ORB in a year, but it will still be faster than the crap Dell is shipping then will be.
At which point RAM may not be a bottleneck for a while. I say "may not" cause who knows what's going to happen in the area of CPU's and chipsets meantime.
I'm expecting to build a new rig in a few months, and I expect I'll use a gig of BH5 in it.
WOWQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
so the way I see it, its not only TCCD we should be saying good bye to, but also DDR2
and DDR2 had an even shorter run, if you compare DDR2vsDDR (not to mention SDR) and TCCDvsBH5 (or others)
I gotta say WOW again, man this would be so sweet, like someone mentioned earlier, running ram at 1:1 with the proc's cache would be maddddddddddness !!! (aka sweeeeeeeetness :) )
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