Turion 64 = Winchester Revision E, Launch date = 04.18.05

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050205A2003.html

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Vendors participating in the campaign will unveil new notebooks built using AMD Turion 64 2800+ and 3000+ CPUs, with power consumption averaging 25W or 35W, depending on models, the sources noted.

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http://www.rage3d.de/index.php?show=3499

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AMD Turion 64 2800+ (1,60 GHz, 1 MB L2-Cache, 90 nm, Revision E, TDP: 25 Watt)
AMD Turion 64 3000+ (1,80 GHz, 1 MB L2-Cache, 90 nm, Revision E, TDP: 25 Watt)
AMD Turion 64 3200+ (2,00 GHz, 1 MB L2-Cache, 90 nm, Revision E, TDP: 35 Watt)

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EDIT: 1 Megabyte Of Cache People

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Originally Posted by DevilsRejection

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050205A2003.html



http://www.rage3d.de/index.php?show=3499

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Nice, just 25W :slobber: , I want one now :D

I can't help but wonder how they'll perform with a 1mb L2 vs the Pentium M 2mb L2 clock for clock? Any speculation on this?

i want mine too now :slobber:


can't wait :banana: and by that time the windows 64bit final release is out same date :D

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Originally Posted by Poki

I can't help but wonder how they'll perform with a 1mb L2 vs the Pentium M 2mb L2 clock for clock? Any speculation on this?

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I think it's gonna b a bit faster than FX CPU's :D
w8 till Geforce c this post :D

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Originally Posted by |SiLA|

i want mine too now :slobber:


can't wait :banana: and by that time the windows 64bit final release is out same date :D

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Actually the release date for Win XP 64 is April 29th.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20874

yeah, this should be some good competition for the Pentium M...SSE3 should be on those chips, which the P-M doesn't have. Plus, the 1mb L2 should be nice.

jjcom

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Originally Posted by jjcom

yeah, this should be some good competition for the Pentium M...SSE3 should be on those chips, which the P-M doesn't have. Plus, the 1mb L2 should be nice.

jjcom

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Actually the Yonah fixes the SSE3

http://theinquirer.net/?article=21091

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The thing that should get you excited is that Yonah should be a multimedia monster, it has the full compliment of SSE1/2/3 on board, and they are vastly improved over Dothan. Several other instructions have been tweaked for lower latency and improved performance, resulting in a monster chip for multimedia. It may even give the Pentium 4 a run for its money in this field, but no hard numbers have surfaced yet.

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only 25 watts? thats amazing. I hope they make some dual cores of these

Socket 754 is supposed to be the mobile socket. If these are coming out for laptops it finally gives 754 users something to upgrade to.

Turion = Lancaster ... ;)

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Originally Posted by craig588

Socket 754 is supposed to be the mobile socket. If these are coming out for laptops it finally gives 754 users something to upgrade to.

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If i were a socket 754 user waiting on one of these CPU's i would start spamming emails to your motherboard manufacturers telling them that you WANT TURION CPUID STRINGS in a bios for your motherboard. All i can think of now is all the people in the past trying to find a compatible socket 754 boards that would boot the old low voltage mobile clawhammers... Don't let that happen again :0

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Originally Posted by craig588

Socket 754 is supposed to be the mobile socket.

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Are you sure about that? Any links?
I can't think of a reason to pick S754 over S939. Would DC memory require much more power?

If it will be S754, then I hope DFI will make a great new S754 motherboard based on the Nf4 or the new ATI chipsets.

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Originally Posted by RaptorRaider

Are you sure about that? Any links?
I can't think of a reason to pick S754 over S939. Would DC memory require much more power?

If it will be S754, then I hope DFI will make a great new S754 motherboard based on the Nf4 or the new ATI chipsets.

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Very unlikely. They can make a bios rev which will support the new cpu.

yeah, should be interesting to see how this goes for AMD...seems like a good move. Get chips in the three main sections: Server, desktop, and Mobile.

jjcom

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Originally Posted by RaptorRaider

Are you sure about that? Any links?

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Go check out some of AMDs PDFs with their plans. (I don't know what they are called, but that have those charts with the H2Y2005 stuff in them)

I have seen it many times and am sure.

Links don't mean anything, I could make some website and claim anything on it. I could make it look very professional with a domain and everthing. (To get a month of hosting and a domain is only like 5$ these days)

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Originally Posted by craig588

Go check out some of AMDs PDFs with their plans. (I don't know what they are called, but that have those charts with the H2Y2005 stuff in them)

I have seen it many times and am sure.

Links don't mean anything, I could make some website and claim anything on it. I could make it look very professional with a domain and everthing. (To get a month of hosting and a domain is only like 5$ these days)

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You mean something like this?

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/2415/amd...dential5us.gif

Single-channel makes more sense on Mobile platforms because upgrading memory would be much more expensive with dual-channel. A notebook can get away with only 2 slots, one used and the other for upgrades. On a DC platform you'd need 4 slots, and the user would be forced to buy a DC kit when he/she decides to add more RAM.

They might be forced to use 939 though if they plan to make dual-core Mobiles.

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Originally Posted by DevilsRejection

You mean something like this?

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/2415/amd...dential5us.gif

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Yeah, but not that one. There was one that had 3 rows, one mobile, one mainstream, one enthusiest. The 512K cache chips were in both the mainstream and mobile rows and each contained the socket 754 sub heading. The 1MB cache chips were in the mainstream and enthusiest row still with the socket 754 sub heading. In the 2nd column there were just 2 chips, both with 1MB of cache in the mobile and enthusiest rows. In the 3rd there was another chip in the mainstream that was also 1MB and there was a 2MB one in the enthusiest row.

I think that is aproximatly how it went, but I wanted him to see the entire PDF, with the accompanying text because they directly stated that 754 was going to become the mobile socket in that text.


EDIT: Oh wait, was that document only supplied to people that went to AMDs expo last summer? Maybe they never turned it into a PDF. I just looked around on google for it and nothing came up. I wish I saved it so I would know if that was in fact that one I might be thinking of.

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Originally Posted by DevilsRejection

You mean something like this?

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/2415/amd...dential5us.gif

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Turion = Lancaster = S754
San Diego is S939 ... it's right, is not a mobile CPU is FX57 and other like with 1Mo.

Someone tell Macci his Dothan just became outdated :hehe:j/k ...but yeah I'm sure Dothan vs Turion benchies will prove who has won, Intel or AMD.

EDIT:Can anyone here confirm with a link that they WILL be s754 ??

Perkam

I honestly think the fight for number one will be a great battle in 2006.

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Originally Posted by computersmsa

Turion = Lancaster = S754
San Diego is S939 ... it's right, is not a mobile CPU is FX57 and other like with 1Mo.

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i've heard of turion and lancaster, but why dont i see it on any of the roadmaps? what are its specifications?

Those are mobile chips and the only roadmap that has been posted recently relates the desktop chips.

I think Turion is the brand name that will encompass AMDs thin-and-light mobile technology, just like Centrino for Intel. Lancaster is one of the many actual cores that is planned for the Turion line.

This will probably be my next upgrade. I am just debating which would be better, the 3000+ 25w clocked at 1.8GHz, or the 3200+ 35w clocked at 2GHz. You'd think overclockability would be about the same (kind of like XP-M 2400+ 35w vs 2600+ 45w), but who knows. In the end I'll probably go with the 3000+, unless the price difference between it and the 3200+ isn't that much.

Is this new revision suppose to fix the mem controller?

if these chips are using 754 :D :D

They are using 754, which is why I'm saying if a Revision E for 90nm is coming out for 754 then there has to be one for 939. BUT: With turion launching in April, then what I have said time and time again the Revsion E for 939 won't come out until summer, is now true!

OR!!! it rev e 939 might come out b4 the 754 to test yeilds, in order to hand pick low wattage ones for mobile stock.

jesus this thread is turning into a rumour pumping machine!

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Originally Posted by DevilsRejection

jesus this thread is turning into a rumour pumping machine!

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think about it tho it makes sense. All of their mobiles so far are just handpicked desktop chips with no ihs

Has it been confirmed that E0 chips will use strained silicon?

they probably are, how else are they acheiving such low thermal ratings

Any word on cost?

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050205A2003.html

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Although AMD has set the prices of its Turion 64 CPUs about 13% cheaper, on average, than Intel’s Pentium M (Dothan) processors, some vendors have suggested that AMD needs to aggressively lower Turion 64 CPU prices to around 25% lower than P4 M CPUs, in order to gain market share from Intel, the sources said.

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So these new chips are 1mb cache, (probably) strained silicone, 25w, AND socket 754?

I just may have to pick one up for my DFI nf3 board when they come out then :toast:

The first article says ~13% cheaper than the P-M Dothans. Considering the Dothans range from $215 to $645, maybe $187 to $561 for the Lancasters? Even though I couldn't imagine a mobile CPU being that much.

lets hope that these come out for the s754 and give hope to us people who cant afford 939, AND o/c as well as the mobile XP's, but ill try not to get my hopes up :D

if those specs are rite, it must be socket 754,
3200+ with 2ghz and 1mb cache vs winnie 2ghz 512KB cache and so on

then 3700+ should be 3500+ 2.2Ghz w 1MB cache ?

they will be on 754 first, im sure those 90nm 1mb chips will come to socket 939 pretty fast as well though :)

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Originally Posted by saaya

they will be on 754 first, im sure those 90nm 1mb chips will come to socket 939 pretty fast as well though :)

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think they will have dual channel mem controllers on there?

no, the socket 754 line doesnt support dual channel. its not that they disabled it on the cpu's.

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Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1

i've heard of turion and lancaster, but why dont i see it on any of the roadmaps? what are its specifications?

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/...e_rdmp_big.jpg

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Originally Posted by Poki

I can't help but wonder how they'll perform with a 1mb L2 vs the Pentium M 2mb L2 clock for clock? Any speculation on this?

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from what i've seen in the reviews of the Dothan, once its pumped to 2.6ish it goes toe to toe with the FX-55 (2.6). the AMD still give better performance per cycle than the Dothan dose with less L2. I dont see that changing for any of AMD's cpu's. just my observation though.The Dothan would have kicked ass if it would have come out a year sooner.

Why dosent AMD give us a FX with 1meg L1/2 meg L2?? now that would ROCK!!
bri

Its as frosted flakes says - it is the umbrella name for all in that category - it is most definitely not a E0 Winchester (cough cough venice)! There is more to an E0 than just SSE3 - e.g. an extra 2 layers (9 to 11). ALL A64s under manufacture will move to revision E in time including Semprons but that does not make them Winchesters!

L1 doesnt matter much, 128kb is fine as its only used for low level stuff, not a lot of data goes through it. i belieive
but i get what you mean :thumbsup:
754 is getting very good, the ony good a64 motherboards with agp, now have 90nm 1mbs!!! AND they are mobile :D :toast:
:YIPPIE:

droool.. i want one

Calling Turion "Winchester Rev. E" would be like calling Winchester "Newcastle Rev. D". ;)

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Maxx, same bday. :cool:

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Originally Posted by brian770

from what i've seen in the reviews of the Dothan, once its pumped to 2.6ish it goes toe to toe with the FX-55 (2.6). the AMD still give better performance per cycle than the Dothan dose with less L2. I dont see that changing for any of AMD's cpu's. just my observation though.The Dothan would have kicked ass if it would have come out a year sooner.

Why dosent AMD give us a FX with 1meg L1/2 meg L2?? now that would ROCK!!
bri

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All the fx chips have 1meg L2

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Originally Posted by Super strokey

All the fx chips have 1meg L2

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I think he was saying he wanted 1MB of L1 and 2MB of L2.

That would make more sense i guess hey? Wouldnt that be crazy expensive and make for a core of stupid sizes?

yeah, but still...think of the preformance...:drool:

jjcom

think of the heatload. ;)

yeah lol Water cooling stock

jjcom