6800 stuttering kill's me, any cure for me ?

Greetz i recently bought Leadtek Winfast 6800 A400 TDH 128
mb ram. Prebiously i had R9800 128 MB. Since i changed my gfx card i experiance suttering in all my games. Games are sutter evry copule seconds, its like massive fps drop for one second and its back to normal, its drives me nuts. Now i write what i tried to fix problem, after reading many forums and noting did help:

- fresh windows install
- clocking card faster/slower ( from 300/300 to 400/800 )
- unlocked pipes/vertex with success ( no art. with 16/6 )
- turning fast writes on/off
- forcing refresh rate to 100 and 85 hz in drivers
- different drivers 66.93, 71.25, 71.80
- checking blitting setting's in RivaTunner
- using same clock's for 3d and 2d modes
- changeing game resolutions from 800x600 to 1280x1024
- many different filtering modes AA and AF from 0/0 to 8/16
- changeing mobo nforce drivers
- changeing agp voltage from 1.4v to 1.7v
- disabling/enabling chipset compatibility in RivaTunner


And here are my system specs:

AMD ATHLON 64 3000+@10x260 1.55V + AS5 + PENTAGRAM FREEZONE QC-80 CU
2x512 MB PC3200 TWINMOS CH-5 2-2-2-5 1:1 2T (3.3 V) + HS NEXUS COPPER KING
DFI LANPARTY UT NF3-250 (NB 1.7V)
WinFast 6800 A400 TDH 128 MB DDR , MOD 80M ThermalTake
SB AUDIGY @ SB AUDIGY2 ZS - HACKED DRIVERS
2xSAMSUNG SP0812C 80 GB SATA RAID 0
DVD-RECORDER LITE-ON SOHW-1213S@1633S
CHIEFTEC HPC-360-302
CHIEFTEC BX-02B-B-SL
Nec 19" FE991SB
Win XP SP2

What psu do you have?? 360w chieftec? if so that could well be the problem/..

This indeed is very weird. Can you test the card in a different PC?

Highland3r i seriously doubt its psu. First R9800 didnt stutter and i think those card have something around equal power needs, and secondly i seen someone on forum with Antec TruePower 520 that had same stuttering too.

Well ill try it elsewhere if noting will help/noone advice me something

I don't know if this would have any impact but just looking at your hardware:
2x512 MB PC3200 TWINMOS CH-5 2-2-2-5 1:1 2T (3.3 V) + HS NEXUS COPPER KING
Sounds like you're asking a little too much outta those rams. I don't know if you've tried running the system at lower speeds but from my experiences i wouldn't expect to have good stabilty much above 220-230 on that ram with 2.0-3-2-5 timings w/3.1-3.2v.
I'm sure you're using a divider and don't have it much above that but it's just a suggestion.
Have you been watching the GPU temps? From what i've read you seem to have everything else covered as far as FW off and new OS with the proper drivers.
Anyways, GL with it and i hope you get it resolved. I would certainly have fun with a 6800 too :)

sounds like possible throttling, or overheating to me. I got the same card, but no problems. Default clocks are 325/350 (700 btw) not 300/300, so unless that was a typo yours was underclocked. Does the Lanparty hav an AGP/PCI lock? I assume so.

Any particular games you've tried? Like hl2, and far cry in particular? Or just all games.

Gpu tempa are 52o at idle and 75o at stress. About mem well i can try back to default setting of mem/cpu, but on Radeon 9800 it was fine with this setting.

isn't that abnormal with ch-5, a friend of mine does 2-2-2-11 at 3.3v 240fsb, fully stable! ch5 is really underestimated imho

there's a big diff. between 260mhz and 240mhz, but 260mhz definatly isn't un heard of or close to it for ch5, but thats all I can think would be causing the problem.

Get rivatuner and the monitor or w/e, see if it throttles. When it throttles it will pause for a second. 75c is pretty hot, and so maybe it's throttling, dethrottling, throttling, etc...?

You mean throtle clocks ? how if 3d and 2d and 2d low are same.
I also check monitor and all was stable. On orginal fan its also sttuter.

Overheating northbridge?

Set the arpeture-size to 256mb in the bios, some 6800 cards seem to have problems at any lower then that.

Honestly, the most painful, but easiest solution, is to run it at stock and see if you have problems. After that, OC each component to its max and see.

A64 OCing is set up rather nicely, you always have dividers and multipliers to OC one component moreso than the other.

Example:
I've been having HL-2 crash issues, with a prime-stable 275x10 3200 winnie rig, and the culprit seemed to be the video card, so I was about to RMA. I dropped my OC by 50 mhz, haven't seen a problem since.

I was just trying to suggest other variables. I imagine the 6800 would draw more than the 9800p which might start making previously stable settings start becoming a factor.
With your 6800 hitting 75c loaded i would suggest having an open case with a fan (92-120mm) blowing directly on it to see if you can get it to stop throttling if that is what infact it's doing.
I still get shivers thinking about 2x512mb CH-5 on a siglechannel A64 much over 200 with 2-2-2 timings.... I musta had bad NF2 experiances?

drcrawn:
with 1.6 v it have quite normal temp. and if it would overheat why R9800 worked without stutters ?

alexio:
i tried after your post from 64 to 512 mb, still same.

viccyran:
I did back with evrything to default, core / system mem / gpu / gpu mem / mem timings, all was set to default... still same, it was stuttering eaven worst :(

Poki: my R9800 had 6200 points in 3DMARK2003, 6800 doesent stutter in mark and gets from 9000 points ( at default ) to 11100 ( with 16p/6v and 360/760 ).
Belive system mem is fine :) at default speed graphic still stutters.
I got my case open all the time ( what for closing it ? :) , with orginal fan it was 62o at load, but it was also stuttering.

Anyone else got any ideas ?
I must add that CMR 2004 doesent stutter.
My problem is biggest in nfs2 anf Far Cry ( 1.3 ) . In dynamic actions it drops fps ( too much ) and durinig game its stop for some mili seconds, i have felling like its out of mem , like its loading textures but its way too often, and why R9800 didnt had this problem?

Sobol,

In certain cases there seems to be an issue with certain combinations of 6xxx gpus and NF3 boards, in particular the DFI.

Looking over the steps that you've already tried, one suggestion is if you have a backup or through someone that you know, plug in the Leadtek 6800 with a different NF3 board, or a non NF3 one. That way it'll kinda clue in if it's something with this board/chipset and gpu combination that's causing the stutter. i doubt the power supply is the culprit. But definitely if nothing seems to work try the card with a different board/setup.

well if it strikes in far cry, and nfs2 then maybe your running it at too high graphical settings. Try taking it all down to 1024x768, and low detail, see if that does anything.

don_vercetti its occurs eaven in 800x600 in both games with mid details.
Now ive installed HL2 and it have stutters too.

I understand now more nature of this stuttering.
Its like skipping few frames, theyre totaly missing, its like jumping from one moment to another, and its take miliseconds, occurs more in dynamic action.

reflash to the original bios 12p/5vp, and RMA the card...

I know someone who had to buy a new psu because his Chieftec 360W couldn't handle an oced a64 + 6800 card. If you can borrow a good psu it would be worth a try.

You can allways try this :

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=50119

The program is suposed to help remov stuttering i games ...

//J

power supply for sure
(my friend could not even open a game with a 6800 + a64 3000 and a cheap "420W" psu, changed it for a nice Antec TP430W et voila)

It's not a power problem, it's not a card problem, it's a DFI nf3 problem. I have the same problem with my GT and my ultra. Reducing the PCI latency to 64 helps alot.
A quick test to see if you have it too, is to run 3dmark05 GT3. It's very noticeable at the beginning of GT3

Ive already tried latency tool and now i did tried it again ,still same. Im prepering for instaltaion of Win2K mabe its WinXP fault.

I also have this problem and I also have the DFI board. Maybe Haldol is correct. If you find a solution let us know

Fresh Win 2K SP4 with dx9c , dfi nforce 5.03 orig drivers, forceware 71.25 . And stil same its cut, stops for milisecond, like freeze, and its all time in same places, i can cross point 43434 times and its same. I tried to move Nfs to first partition and run game from cd instead daemon. Same :banana::banana::banana::banana: :(.

Ive fixed problem totaly, guess what. Ive sold that sucker and bought ATI Radeon 9550 128 MB ( moded to 9600 PRO ) and stutters are gone. Game aint so smooth as it was on 6800 but it doesent stutter.

Well point of all this is , nvidia sucks and i never should belive in marks points. I have feeling that 9800 moded to XT was equal fast in most games as this 6800@GT but without stutter.
Greetz

i have no problems, GT and Dfi nf3. using a noisetaker 470w.

try to flash the videocard with another bios..

i upgraded from 9600 pro to 6800nu oc'ed and softmodded to 6800u and the difference was unreal. It was like getting a whole new computer, or moving from black and white to colour. Games looked pretty again, and could be run in glorious hi-res.

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Originally Posted by don_vercetti

i upgraded from 9600 pro to 6800nu oc'ed and softmodded to 6800u and the difference was unreal. It was like getting a whole new computer, or moving from black and white to colour. Games looked pretty again, and could be run in glorious hi-res.

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Moving from a mid range of one generation to the mid range of the next will do that. ;)

I am getting it using a 6800GT, WHQL drivers under FarCry. The 71.84 would lock up the game. Think it's a heat related issue, although it was 61° immediately after exiting, last time I checked. I'm thinking that instead of artifacting like ATi cards, 6XXX cards temporarily lock up. There's gotta be something driver related though.

well they don't, i can assure you of that.

My card hits 78c under 3dmark and it's fine, not stuttering at all. It sounds like something is wrong with some, yes, but i can't figure out what.

I have a dfi nf3 headed here, already have a leadtek 6800gt 256mb agp card...

These reports of problems are definitely not what I wanted to hear! :( Hopefully it works fine like it does for reject...

im sure it will

I have a dfi nf3 and I have absolutely no stuttering after I've set the pci latency to 64.
I currently play HL2 1600x1200 4AA/16xAF and D3 ultra q 1600x1200 4AA/16AF

Cool, thanks for the heads up HaLDoL.
I downloaded the PCI Latency Tool v2.3 from guru3d incase I need it. This could just be an excuse to upgrade to an nf4 ultra d and pcie though. :hehe:

pci latency works for me too, nearly no stuttering anymore! :toast:

Hey. I also have the same problem with all my games. The fps is around 100 the first minutes, then everything drops to less than 1 fps fort about 1-5 seconds. then the game picks up and goes back to 100 fps.
It is so anoying! :mad:

Here is a list of what Ive done so far to try and fix probs:
-Format C:
-Installed drivers from both asus and nvidia (everything from 66.xx to 76.45)
-Installed asus smart doc and asus enhanced drivers 1.15 and 1.14
-installed nvidia nforce 2 drivers, tried 5.10 and 6.39
-Fast write on/off
-pci latency 064 instead of 248
-different AA AF settings. everything from 0/0 to 8/16
-Tried both on my Raid 0 drives and the single sata drive. (i have windows on both)
-Removed Audigy 2 ZS and used built in soundcard.
-Removed raid 0 drives, and removed sata drive, tested with both systems.
-Removed Pci raid controller, disabled onboard raid controller
-Removed all USB devices except joystick
-Disabled allot of ports like the LTPT printer port
-OC the graphiccard
-Opened up pixel and vertex 16/6 with success.
-also tried different resolutions and detail level settings
-3dmarks 03 gets 9000 points when pixel vertex is open, when using 12/5 I get 8200 points.

My sys specs are:
Amd 2800 barton
2 x 512 mb twinmos 2700 333
Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe mob with 1013 bios (latest)
Asus V9999 (geforce 6800) 128 mb. (1 week old)
2 x 200 gigg seagate sata Raid 0
1 x 160 gigg maxtor sata
Aerocool Aeropower 550 Watt (1 month old)

26degress c in tower.
cpu i 56 degrees

any ideas anyone? im about to send my graphic card on a oneway trip to the bottom of the channal...
its very strange that I have the exact same problems like Sobol like he said, its like if the games skip a few frames. As if textures are loading during the time.
By the way, sometimes it seems to happen when the harddrive is loading. I have looked in device manager, but there are no pci conflicts with the raid controllers.

/thanks
corb