EPOX 9NDA3J VER.:2.1 test

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K8 939 3000 0.09 0441spmw
9nda3J 2.1
G-Skill TCCD DDR600 256MBX2
GeForce256
TEAC512EB
300W

DDR600 1T CL2.5 4-3-5 memtest
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware...9NDA3J/600.JPG

3000+ oc 2.7g
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware...NDA3J/2700.JPG

:)

nice max vdimm ?

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Originally Posted by eva2000

nice max vdimm ?

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2.8V :(

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Originally Posted by windwithme

2.8V :(

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With a real easy (clip on if wanted to do that way) mod and plenty of overhead since VDimm is +5V driven. Have used up to 3.7V so far with only .01V fluctuation loaded/unloaded. :)

edit: On 3+ not 3J, same VDimm circuit though

I should've gotten the Epox.... :rolleyes:

I bought 9NDA3+ on saturday and it's rev 2.1. Flashed the newest bios rightaway. Memory (2x512MB OCZ 3700 EB) was memtest stable 241 cas3-3-2-8-1T with 2.8 Volts (max in bios), but no more. I think Vdimm-mod is required to go higher. These memsticks were totally memstable 239 cas3-2-2-8-1T with 3.0 volts on DFI Lanparty. But the most disturbing thing in this board is temp readings. With watercooling, 11x236 clocks and 1.65 vcore idle-temp is 52 and running SuperPi32M rises to 70 degrees according USDM. Anyone experienced same thing with temp?

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Originally Posted by Family man 72

I bought 9NDA3+ on saturday and it's rev 2.1. Flashed the newest bios rightaway. Memory (2x512MB OCZ 3700 EB) was memtest stable 241 cas3-3-2-8-1T with 2.8 Volts (max in bios), but no more. I think Vdimm-mod is required to go higher. These memsticks were totally memstable 239 cas3-2-2-8-1T with 3.0 volts on DFI Lanparty. But the most disturbing thing in this board is temp readings. With watercooling, 11x236 clocks and 1.65 vcore idle-temp is 52 and running SuperPi32M rises to 70 degrees according USDM. Anyone experienced same thing with temp?

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I am using 9nda3j v2.1.It seems like this mobo doesn't use corediode,instead it use something like 8rda's thermoresistor.For example, when you use watercool,the temp of cpu maybe above 50,but if you place a fan near cpu,the temp will drop to 2x!
So don't trust it.

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Originally Posted by fatbird2046

I am using 9nda3j v2.1.It seems like this mobo doesn't use corediode,instead it use something like 8rda's thermoresistor.For example, when you use watercool,the temp of cpu maybe above 50,but if you place a fan near cpu,the temp will drop to 2x!
So don't trust it.

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Thanks for the info fatbird2046! I reinstalled the waterblock and applied a thin layer of AS5 (previously used only silicon paste). I let it settle and then check again.

Windwithme - could you please tell me what is the size of this black bracket? I mean the one which is used for mounting coolers on cpu. I hope you know what I mean because I don't have any idea how is it called in english, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Adasi

Windwithme - could you please tell me what is the size of this black bracket? I mean the one which is used for mounting coolers on cpu. I hope you know what I mean because I don't have any idea how is it called in english, sorry.

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CPU Rentention Frame

I believe it's the same for all S754/939/940 motherboards

Does it actually give the core voltage it claims to be available? This could be a reason to dump my msi :).

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Originally Posted by Speedo

Does it actually give the core voltage it claims to be available?

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Yup. :)

Dunno if u know it but here is the latest bios 11/01/2005 http://www.epox.org/cms/index.php?op...details&gid=69

to Adasi:
about 8~10 or 8~12cm

to Cranox:
thanks
i will test 9nda3+ 2.1 in this bios

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Originally Posted by Cranox

Dunno if u know it but here is the latest bios 11/01/2005 http://www.epox.org/cms/index.php?op...details&gid=69

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Did anyone test it already?

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Originally Posted by Adasi

Did anyone test it already?

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I have been using it since I got my board. Dual channel works now better in slots 1&2 than with previous bioses. In fact, stable memspeed in dual channel is now equally good in slots 1&2 and 3&4.

Hmm I'll check it then, thx for info.

One more question about this board. Did anyone try how it works with hynix d43? Hope it will o/c the same or even better than on socket A - amd.

What is the difference beween the old rev and the ver 2.1............... and how is this board with 2 x 512mb of TCCD, WB UTT or BH-5 with 1T i read somwhere that it doesn't like 1gb of ramm to much.......and how stable or unstable are voltages on it

@ Millyons:

2x512 TCCD does 270 MHz for me, 2x512 VX does 265 MHz, 2x256 BH-5...even higher. This board does fine with 1 GB 1T, I'm using slots 3-4 though, as 1-2 acted a bit differently. Regarding voltages, they seem pretty stable to me. I have seen some other post where someone said that this board limited is max stable clocks compared to the Neo2, but I am seeing the opposite with my cpu.

edit to add: and the Rev 2.1 has a new VCore circuit
edited again for spelling

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Originally Posted by mikead_99

@ Millyons:

2x512 TCCD does 270 MHz for me, 2x512 VX does 265 MHz, 2x256 BH-5...even higher. This board does fine with 1 GB 1T...........

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thanks man, that's what i was hopping to hear :)

I also use 2 x 512 mb BH-5 and that in slot 1&2 :)

good board good price. no reaon to buy + version for $40 more unless you need FW

Do you guys have issues with asynchro mode too? For example:
If I set fsb at 300mhz (no matter what is the multiplier) i cannot boot with memory set at 166 asynchro mode.

Could you please try to boot with the settings above and check if you can boot with them? Thx

Edit -> I have brand new bios from epox website.

try mem slots 3 and 4 only. I don't have problem..this is 166.
http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~smanning/28.JPG

I used every slot, still doesn't work. I'll try later with another bios version... (from what i've seen, the oldest one seems to work fine :| )

Changed the bios version, but still it doesn't work :(
Maybe my board doesn't like my 512mb sticks ...

what sticks? this dude has same problem...see last 4-5 posts...

http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...ighlight_key=y

Hynix d43

Tryed what was written there but still no go :( Looks like i have to change my 2x512 hynix's to 2x256 tccd....

windwithme, where is the test? those are just some pics and a screenshot at 300fsb, every nf4 board can do that :P

whats the max htt speed? max fsb? mac cpu oc?

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Originally Posted by Adasi

Do you guys have issues with asynchro mode too? For example:
If I set fsb at 300mhz (no matter what is the multiplier) i cannot boot with memory set at 166 asynchro mode.

Could you please try to boot with the settings above and check if you can boot with them? Thx

Edit -> I have brand new bios from epox website.

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Tried 9x290 and mem 166 divider and system froze while loading windows. Slots 3&4 in use. Strange. Have to try slots 1&2 later.

Sth is definitely wrong with this board, but what... ???

Thx for checking.

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Originally Posted by saaya

windwithme, where is the test? those are just some pics and a screenshot at 300fsb, every nf4 board can do that :P

whats the max htt speed? max fsb? mac cpu oc?

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I get 366 , at that time board was unmodded ( mem async )
Its the 9NDA3+ V2.1 , but i think the J version is the same

http://www.cranox.com/Reviews/Epox9n...7x360+cpuz.bmp

No further devolpments on this board???


365HTT on a nf3 is something AMAZING !!!!

For the one’s using this board, are any of you using SATA? I’m thinking of getting this board, but see a problem with the SATA connecter position. I don’t think it will fit with my BFG 6800 U OC.

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Originally Posted by TheReaper

For the one’s using this board, are any of you using SATA? I’m thinking of getting this board, but see a problem with the SATA connecter position. I don’t think it will fit with my BFG 6800 U OC.

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I have the same VC and just got this board -- the card is big - we'll see after I take it off my gigabyte. :confused:

sauria, I just took out my Gigabyte board and installed the 9NDA3J, it OCs a lot better than the Giga as far as HTT is concerned and I am getting much better mem bandwidth. The nice thing is, I pumped the voltage up +.025 and thought that would give me around 1.525 volts. I have been priming it for a few hours. Then I rebooted and to my surprise the voltage is at 1.35 for the core. I have been running my 3200+ at 2.45GHz for hours with only 1.35 volts.....LOL.

Great! May be time to swap boards! Found any good BIOS screenshots for setup?

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Originally Posted by SPQQKY

sauria, I just took out my Gigabyte board and installed the 9NDA3J, it OCs a lot better than the Giga as far as HTT is concerned and I am getting much better mem bandwidth. The nice thing is, I pumped the voltage up +.025 and thought that would give me around 1.525 volts. I have been priming it for a few hours. Then I rebooted and to my surprise the voltage is at 1.35 for the core. I have been running my 3200+ at 2.45GHz for hours with only 1.35 volts.....LOL.

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I guess this new 2.1 has a better voltage circuit?

Just got this board yesterday - very easy setup. Replacing my 2100+ T-bred "B" that would do 2.3 ghz @ 1.65 vcore (awesome chip!).

There is a new bios for the 9nda3j available, dated 2/15/05. I used the Magic Bios utility that came with the board and flashed it through windows.

so far I've got my 3200+ running at 2250, stock volts, stock cooler, using my trusty old 1gb of TCCC ram in channels 1&2.
Pretty amazing this old ram can do 225 @ 3-3-3-8 1t! 5xHTT.

Overall, it's hard to beat the cost. Wish I had some nice TCCD ram, but I'm too much of a budget overclocker. :banana:

I just built mine too and put the DIMMS 1G GSkill LA kit in slots 3&4

running pretty stable so far w/ a 5/6 divider @ 2500. 3-3-3 1t stuff, but great for this old ram!
hopefully some more left in it.

Looks like another 8RDA+ is upon us...I'll need to switch! :mad:

ANy consensus on the best BIOS for the "J" board -- I take it they use the same BIOS?

for 9nda3j board, I used the Magic Bios utility which downloaded & flashed bios 2/15/05.

I'm running 2x512 sticks in channels 1&2, using 1t timings, and it's solid.

Still has the fast writes enabled bug, so make sure fast writes is DISabled.

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/198/screeny12me.th.jpg

Ok, thanks okra!

I’ve had mine for about a week. It ran great and was very stable. Yesterday I flashed the BIOS to 1/11/05, that’s when things went downhill. CPU temps skyrocketed and the board is no longer stable, even at stock settings. I’ve flashed between three different BIOS’s and the problem still persists. I’ve tried two different CPU’s with water cooling and a H/F. I’ll try the new 2/15/05 BIOS before switching back to my MSI board.

Hmm, just flashed to that bios myself. 1/11/05

Unfortunately the new bios had the same problem. I believe something happened to the board itself. I switched back to my neo2 p and everything is good again. I guess I’ll see what Epox says. I might have to RMA this thing. :(

Oops, sorry to hear that -- where did you get it?

that sucks, reaper! My condolences, at least you had another board lying around, eh?

does anyone know where to put the heatsinks that came with the board?
I'm imagining it's the little one's to the right of the cpu socket, looking down from top of board.

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Originally Posted by okra

does anyone know where to put the heatsinks that came with the board?
I'm imagining it's the little one's to the right of the cpu socket, looking down from top of board.

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Put them on the mosfets near the CPU and mosfets near RAM. A nice touch for a "bargain board"

Been running mine for about a week now. I finally got my Patriot 3200+XBL. I haven't really pushed it, but have been running the RAM at 250 2.5-3-3-10 @ 2.7v for the last couple of days. CPU is at 2.5GHz @ 1.4v.

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Originally Posted by SPQQKY

Been running mine for about a week now. I finally got my Patriot 3200+XBL. I haven't really pushed it, but have been running the RAM at 250 2.5-3-3-10 @ 2.7v for the last couple of days. CPU is at 2.5GHz @ 1.4v.

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great, what's that cpu & stepping -- the good "surprise you got" @ 1.35V?

3200 .09
CBBID 0451MPM

My chip was cursed the minute I got it! CBBID and week 51. I guess I got lucky because with all that was against it, it turned out to be a good cpu.

Edit: Any good A64 Tweaker tips for the TCCD?

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Originally Posted by SPQQKY

3200 .09
CBBID 0451MPM

My chip was cursed the minute I got it! CBBID and week 51. I guess I got lucky because with all that was against it, it turned out to be a good cpu.

Edit: Any good A64 Tweaker tips for the TCCD?

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I just got one of these
3000+ Retail
Local Shop
CBBHD 0449 MPM

Maybe good? My others are the dreaded CBBID

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Originally Posted by okra

for 9nda3j board, I used the Magic Bios utility which downloaded & flashed bios 2/15/05.

I'm running 2x512 sticks in channels 1&2, using 1t timings, and it's solid.

Still has the fast writes enabled bug, so make sure fast writes is DISabled.

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/198/screeny12me.th.jpg

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I can't seem to flash to this BIOS in DOS. I tired and ended up with this:
Award BootBlock BIOS v1.0

BIOS ROM checksum error
Had any problems with this BIOS?

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Originally Posted by TheReaper

I’ve had mine for about a week. It ran great and was very stable. Yesterday I flashed the BIOS to 1/11/05, that’s when things went downhill. CPU temps skyrocketed and the board is no longer stable, even at stock settings. I’ve flashed between three different BIOS’s and the problem still persists. I’ve tried two different CPU’s with water cooling and a H/F. I’ll try the new 2/15/05 BIOS before switching back to my MSI board.

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Did you get a corrupted BOS with this message?
Award BootBlock BIOS v1.0

BIOS ROM checksum error :confused:

Hi

Well i tried updating mine 2 and got the same error and now I cant revive it it just says "unknown flash type" every .... time I try to flash it, anybody here who knows what might be the problem ?.


Menty

Hi

Well just a little update I hotflashed the chip in an nforce 2 board, now its fine again :), but im gonna make another chip before trying flashing this board eva again :).


Menty

i used the magic bios utility to flash it in windows, I hate flashing in DOS.

The DOS flash with the 2/22/05 BIOS always has failed and corrupted my BIOS. I had to do this to fix it:
http://forums.windrivers.com/showthread.php?t=64279

How did you do that?

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Originally Posted by Mentaly

Hi

Well just a little update I hotflashed the chip in an nforce 2 board, now its fine again :), but im gonna make another chip before trying flashing this board eva again :).


Menty

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Hi

well I started by booting up the nforce 2 board, booted to DOS, and removed the original bioschip put in my bad chip from the Epoxboard "while its still powered on and in dos", had the newest awdflash and the da3j5111.bin from epox ready on floppy, used these parameters to flash "awdflash8.exe bios.bin /f". the it all worked out for me again.


Menty

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K8 939 3000 0.09 0441spmw
9nda3J 2.1
G-Skill TCCD DDR600 256MBX2
GeForce256
TEAC512EB
300W

DDR600 1T CL2.5 4-3-5 memtest
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware...9NDA3J/600.JPG

3000+ oc 2.7g
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware...NDA3J/2700.JPG

:)

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Miss those great screenshots!?

Epox support was a joke, so I RMA'ed my board back to Newegg. I feel bad doing that, but I don't want to deal with epox's support. I'm hoping to get the new board next week.

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Originally Posted by TheReaper

Epox support was a joke, so I RMA'ed my board back to Newegg. I feel bad doing that, but I don't want to deal with epox's support. I'm hoping to get the new board next week.

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Same board?

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Originally Posted by sauria

Same board?

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Yes, I'll report back when it's installed. The first board ran great and was very stable. It overclocked very well too. Before the problem occurred, I did hear some faint popping and ticking. I thought it was a fan or something. It was running my fx53 @ 2500 (10x250) at the time with 1.7 vcore. The power mosfets and caps were smoking hot. Before that they ran pretty cool, witch supprised me. Their was no visible burn marks or bulging caps that I could see. That's why I RMA it.

that doesn't sound fun at all!

I found I can run 2600mhz w/ this cpu in my 9nda3j, but needs a lot more voltage (1.5v to 1.525 v) than 2500 requires (1.375v to 1.4v). I booted into windows @ 2700 w/ same volts for 2600, it wouldn't bench, rebooted and found my Windows corrupted! :D
After reformat I'm back at 2500.

Thanks, Reaper. I look forward to your results. Did you have heatsinks on the mosfets?

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Originally Posted by sauria

Thanks, Reaper. I look forward to your results. Did you have heatsinks on the mosfets?

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Nope. I have some ready for it, but found they didn't run that hot. That was before things started to overheat tho.

I see -- How do you lke this board in comparison to your MSI?

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Originally Posted by okra

for 9nda3j board, I used the Magic Bios utility which downloaded & flashed bios 2/15/05.

I'm running 2x512 sticks in channels 1&2, using 1t timings, and it's solid.

Still has the fast writes enabled bug, so make sure fast writes is DISabled.

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/198/screeny12me.th.jpg

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Can you explain wht the problem with this bug is?

Thanks! :confused:

yeah, it won't run 3d benches, turn it off & good to go.

Ok, thanks -- Auto would be "on"

look:)

part2 :p:

Thank you windwithme. Are you cooling the 2 x 512M LA at that speed?

Anyone who is running a Winny @ 2600 mhz or greater - seems like it needs at least 1.55 to 1.6 vcore to be stable, 2700 might be even more - is this pretty typical for volts or no?

Mine needs 1.55V to do 2600 MHz

seems par for the course then...

Sauria: update your sig, bro! :D

Done, thanks man! :)

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Originally Posted by sauria

Thank you windwithme. Are you cooling the 2 x 512M LA at that speed?

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It is very difficult to NF3 run 512X2 DDR600 :)

9NDA3+ V2.1
256X2 DDR640 :)
use AMD boxed cooler
0441SPMW
http://shihwolf.mdorm.ntnu.edu.tw/wi...9NDA3J/320.JPG

Wow, that means that you have a great memory controller!??

No, if he ran 2x512, it would sure mean that ;)

Ahh, I must be blind. Single sided 256's should be easy?

Should be EASIER :)

I seem to have the same problem, when 300 fsb I can only use 100 divider, thou I know my ram can do 260...

EPOX EP-9NDA3J(vdimm mod-Y.Z.C.)- 3200+@2740MHZ(CBBFD 0433SPMW)
2x512TWINMOSDDR400@550MHZ (1.5-2-2-1)
modding by my friend yazıcıoğlu thanks
prime test ok
superpi test ok
memtest ok
stable :banana: :slobber:

Good work my friend.

very nice! Love the 1.4 vcore!

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Originally Posted by osipower

EPOX EP-9NDA3J(vdimm mod-Y.Z.C.)- 3200+@2740MHZ(CBBFD 0433SPMW)
2x512TWINMOSDDR400@550MHZ (1.5-2-2-1)
modding by my friend yazıcıoğlu thanks
prime test ok
superpi test ok
memtest ok
stable :banana: :slobber:

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Wow! that's great

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Originally Posted by okra

Anyone who is running a Winny @ 2600 mhz or greater - seems like it needs at least 1.55 to 1.6 vcore to be stable, 2700 might be even more - is this pretty typical for volts or no?

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Mine 3500+ winny runs superpi32M stable 2650MHz with 1.475Volts and 2700MHz with 1.55Volts.

that's a NICE 3500+ chip!