Just installed and will update thread accordingly
btw XP-120 fits fine
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Just installed and will update thread accordingly
btw XP-120 fits fine
more pics
heatsink for NF chip comes with super super super crap thermal TIM like on Northwood P4's with the "tin" foil in it.
I took that off and put on some silicon paste
I love FCPGA packaging! So easy to cool
more even
btw 3dmark at default on XFX 6600GT :O
Gonna crank it up in a bit, both board and video
3d03
see I told you bud, ...A2..:D
Have fun..I know I am bad...very bad..:D
you are so naughty OPB :P
yeah it's A2, but too late as I already ordered :(
oh well let's try to have some fun with it.
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CTL+F1 gets you into advanced chipset features.
250HTT and 4x HT fails 3DMark2001se---is it A2 related failing 1000mhz htt? WE will see, I backed it down to 3x HT multi and give it another go at 250
edit: Seems maybe cpu doesn't oc to same level on this board. Prev on MSI K8N Neo2 2.75ghz stable with Alpha at 1.64v. With this board-1.65v in bios results in 1.61v real. Stalls at 2.75 in benches. Down multi to 10x and will test further. Just some FYI
doh, even froze here at 250x11 and 3x HT :(
back to drawing board----------------------------------\
Nevermind----see above---cpu was oc'd too far
Sounds just like the K8NS Ultra 939. Absolute garbage! Sorry John, lets see how the Chaintech VNF4 Ultra does.
Edit:
oops, didn't see the 2nd part. lol
we'll I'm still gonna play around :)
I don't mind! Well I kinda do, but compared to my real life in past week, this is NOTHING.
I know, I'm glad holidays are over!
What does A2 on the NF4 mean? enlighten us please. What are we suppose to look for on the Nf4 chipset? A3?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=21533
ok, fsb clocking sorta sorted :)
I tell you all what!!
I am so freaking impressed with the 6600GT
freaking 8K+ in 3DMark03 at default Vid card clocks for <$200 WOWOOWOWOWOW!
A3 is the version that officially supports 1000MHz HTT, earlier A2 buggy at 1000MHz so instead of scrapping they are selling as value type boards.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
BTW setup as follows:
3500+ Winchester
Silverstone 520W PS PCI Express 24 pin ATX etc...
Gigaboard as obvious
G.Skill 1024 "LE" PC4400
XFX 6600GT-out of Newegg refurb $165 shipped
so what are the chances our Chaintech's will have the same A2?
http://www.chaintech.com.tw/tw/eng/p...o=13&PISNo=318Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
their site says 2000mts hyper transport.
Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard..._GA-K8NF-9.htm
gigabyte site also says 1000 for hyper transport, so that means nothing...
so if the Nf4 says A2, does this give us the right to RMA if it isn't working as advertised?
I will have chaintech in a few days too
Re: Gigabyte.... I don't blame them, they are trying to get board to market for good price. This is pretty decent price for early NF4 and performance is good. TBH 1000mhz vs 800mhz is basically no extra performance. If the board oc's well otherwise I'm ok with it.
here's something interesting....Chipset: NVIDIA nForce4 4X MCPs (gigabyte)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=21547&stc=1
4x200=800 hyper transportQuote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
it should be 5x200 ;)
exactly, but my point is that the chaintech is advertised as nf4 ultra and gigabyte is advertised as NVIDIA nForce4 4X MCPs on newegg site.Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
well we will see how chaintech is when it comes
so I take it that the gigabyte didn't go too far. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
It just looks that there are 2 types, the nForce4 4X which is the A2 board by the looks of it and the nforce 4Ultra which i assume will be A3.
going fairly well, I'm cpu limited and ram voltages could be better as well
this is with vid card oc as seen on screen
270HTT ram 1:1 HT3x
cpu at 2.7ghz Winchester etc...
9k in 2003!! that is amazing for a dinky -$200 card! :toast:
hehe, the little card that could keeps going higher :)
Using same mobo too :), memory bandwidth
http://www.geocities.com/benny_nejkt/285x9_membw.txt
my cpu doesn't like 9x multi :O
What ram are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Lodewijk
jnav, my board is doing 272, then it dies instantly above that so far. Got a gig of pqi turbo ultra in there, does 2.5,3,3,10 at 272Mhz. I've dropped to 3,4,4,10 and i don't get any increase so board limit, dropped multi further, not cpu limit. Might be something else, also only a single bios out so far, need to try newer ones when they are released. the HT speed being lower doesn't make too much diff, you just will be running roughly 200 lower on ht most of the time, shoudlnt' limit fsb max or anything , well it could do, but 272Mhz ain't bad for a gig of mem. Not had it higher and thats at only 2.7v.
Fairly impressed overall, very cheap in the uk, pcie and pci locks seem to work fine. Only dissappointing thing was ordering a 6800gt pci-e to go with it, having a 6800gt sticker on the card and findiing its got only 12 pipes and isn'[t a 6800gt. :(
Kingston KHXULK2 PC 3200 TCCD chips
took to long replying, is that 285Mhz fsb on 2x htt multi? i just remembered i forgot to go back and try with the 2x multi.
Also is nf4 clockgen working for you? so far its locked up going up in fsb for me, after i set a new fsb, but changing down works fine, and it shows locked buses. Could jsut be fsb limits locking it up. easytune 5 working for you at all? for me it pops up for a split second then closes.
HTT 3X. NF4 clockgen works but sometimes it's freeze :rolleyes:. I didn't try EasyTune yet. Multiplier changing via clockgen works too, only 9.5, 8.5 multi not stable at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkenmaster
i just saw new BIOS release for this board
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Download/..._k8nf-9_f2.exe
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Lodewijk
*If the file that you select doesn't not exist or file error occurs, please write to us about which products and which country that you had been selected.
Contact us now ...
We will really appreciated it. Sorry about all the troubles.
http://tw.giga-byte.com/Motherboard/..._GA-K8NF-9.htm
try it from main page bro :)
http://america.giga-byte.com/MotherB..._k8nf-9_f2.exe
us dl site seemed to work for me. Might try it tomorrow. says "for PVT only" in the bios info, whats pvt stand for?
clockgen works but I have to take 2-3Mhz "bites" at a time
Pole vaulting tournamentQuote:
Originally Posted by drunkenmaster
damn it, i'll have to see if i can arrange a tournament when i get back to uni so i can use this bios then. I dare not risk it till i'm officially signed up.
:p
Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkenmaster
Lmao! :lol::sick::lol::sick::lol::sick::lol::sick:
you're in the uk, i believe, though not 100% sure, that overclock.co.uk will be open pre new years for a bit, and have the gigabyte in stock, not the cheapest, but you could always ask them to match other places in price. So you might get that before new years, or at least just after.
You have a nice 2k1 score, with this basically 6800 nu i can barely get close to that, doesn't clock great and only 12 pipes, though, is it possible to unlock them on a pci-e 6800? either way, what settings do you change in nvidia driver options, not had an nvidia card since the day the 9700 was released.
microdicrect.co.uk also have both in stock and order up to wednesday and you'll get it delivered on thursday.
my results are with clocks shown and default LOD, lemme nerf them and retry :)
F2 bios is junk, at least for me, can't even post/boot at 250HTT :(
ah, thought i'd mention its www.overclock.co.uk i meant, not overclockers who are the OCUK bunch, they are pretty crap. Scan are the ones who sent me my beautiful 6800GT which is just a 6800 NU, for £275, for a £217 card, bit pissed with that, they are gonna get an earful. But scan are normally good. overclock is where i used to work, i asked for job there as i buy from all over the place and their service is 2nd to none. Smaller, prices sometimes are a bit more, but like i said, phone and ask, worst is they say they can't drop price, but maybe they can. I think they have retail cpu's in too. yup, they have retails in stock, and the board would ship thursday. I really recommend them over most uk people.
Dabs i put up with cos rma wise you can arrange for them to come and collect which saves me time and effort.
bad news on the pci-e 6800's, really angry they sent me wrong thing. nutting else in stock in the uk bar £340 from OCUK who rape prices if they have only thing in stock. I hear ati sli is happening soon though so might go for a x800xt or x800xl in a while and then get another when ati stuff is ready. I heard from a reliable source the via sli inbetween method will be :banana::banana::banana::banana:e performance wise. as in, no where near the increase current nvidia sli can provide. Though if it provides a boost in all games it might be worth it, who knows. i'm confused.
FYI: Vlink seems to help higher HTT stability, and PCI express voltage seems to help my vid card clocks, this is all very preliminary data, but though some might like to know, as it may help them.
Got #2 orb score for 6600GT right now :). Maybe I slap this hog in my Prometia tomorrow with FX55 and see if I could nab #1 :)
edit: Yes it seems either vlink or PCI express voltages are helping me. I'm guessing the PCI express as now my vid card clocks are going up to 600/1080 and climbing :). Oops. spoke too soon-artifacting :(
well there info says they wil be shipping stuff for thursday, i think they will be open for all or half of wednesday. the only thing might be people ordering and nabbing stock before you can ask them about prices, unless prices are fine anyway, just the board is a little expensive. if i spot one of the lads on msn i'll ask when their in this week ;)
think most places seem to be opening for 1/2 days inbetween xmas and new years, bit weird that scan isn't.
nice going on the score Jnav. i think i've gone a bit mad and ordered an sli board and 2x 6600gt's, should be faster than my stupid 6800nu, hopefully overclock nicely, and found the cards for £113(unreal, dabs and their dabsvalue which are inno 3d if you're interested).
Are you all buying these boards? Why not wait for a little while until A3 boards become available??
cos ht speed is of little consequence, its not a bit issue. the board itself has pci express, locks, and is capable of high speeds, that won't change with a3 chipset, just will gain 200Mhz or so on ht speed.
But as said before, it looks like the nForce4 4X is A2 and the ultra might be A3. Im just assuming but sure does look that way as most users of the nForce4 4X all have A2 chip.
thats why its called the 4x, 4x htt not 5x as it could be. But again, thats not an issue at all. Any board without the 4x in the name should be a a3 chipset board capable of 1000Mhz HT speeds. Looks like all the voltage on memory scare issues people managed to push out as a rumour when like 3 whole ath 64's died has finally been squashed, with the ultra version of this board having up to 3.1vdimm, asus has 3 or 3.1vdimm on their boards. For both of those manu's that is very high vdimm even talking pre ath 64 rumours. nice to see, finally.
the only issue with the gigabyte board is no dual bios, with how freaking irritating clearing cmos is on gigabyte boards(no jumper, power, power cable out, batt out for quite a while sometimes needed, then reverse order), is a bit too much skimping on their part.
Damn, i was on the way to order the K8NF-9 after reading the thread but i is sold out. But K8NXP-9 is in stock in the same shop.
Anyone aware what the vdimm option will be on the MSI Diamond/NF4 SLI Platinum and/or DIF SLI? Also the vcore?
hopefully dfi will keep roughly the same voltage options, they seem much more aware of who buys there boards and what they want. MSI i'm guessing 1.85vcore, 2.85vdimm, as with all their boards for a while. THough they've gone mad in the past, their canterwood had 2.4vcore(for p4's remember, nuts), 3.4vdimm, so they might go a little higher.
How much price diff in the states is the k8nxp-9 from the k8nf-9 ? here its like £120/£68, so for only vdimm that i want its not worth it, the dula power thing is useless and half the time none working boards work fine when you remove the extra power module(from working in shop that deals with returns ;) ).
1. Which shop was that at?Quote:
Originally Posted by I²K
2. Will someone elaborate more on what the Nforce4 MCP chip is all about? Is it the regular nForce4? Is the MCP version a cutdown version that uses the Super I/O: ITE IT8712 chip.
The following is from Gigabyte's site for this motherboard:
NVIDIA nForce4 4X MCPs (media and communication processors)
Super I/O: ITE IT8712 chip
chaintech arrived today
will try to get up and runnig later
JNav89GT
Pull off the NB cooler yet?
drunkenmaster
You know how everybody is hunting for the latest and greatest NB? There's more to it than higher HTT speeds. I bet those A3 chips are going to be VERY new.
I see 1.75V in the Giga bios for v-core. What IC does it use for the core voltage? Just wondering if there will be a easy v-core mod for this mobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
OPP
Nice job! ;)
I would look Chaintech's results yet :D.
Regards :).
p.s. The Gigabyte have 1000 or 800 HTT? :confused:
Compliments of Jason:DQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=21622&stc=1
www.alternate.de or www.mix-computer.de both are in germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAINFIRE
A3 revQuote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
will get pic here
sorry for somewhat crap pics, but best I could take for now :(
that's good news!Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
John, and everyone else please post VNF4 results here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=48644&page=3
I started a new thread for the chaintech nf4, it's crap!
I'm putting gigabyte in one of my prometias :)
LOL, I see giga is back in stock at newegg. Maybe I should give them another shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
As the DIF nf3 board was so successful i just cannot wait for the release oif DFI SLI/nF4 board.
Here in Aus we have a ETA mid of Jan, i was going to stay away from NF4 until it matures but...
The great thing about DFI that theres quick responce for beta bios updates in DIF Street forums to keep us overclockers happy as ive heard.
Ive had all sort of problems with Neo2 and it took me 3 boards to get where im satisfied, hopefully thats not going to be the case with the next pick...DIF/MSI NF4 :rolleyes:
John, where did you go? we want some phase results! I'm going to rma my VNF4 and wait a bit. what are you going to do?
I'm trying to work with semi hosed os
I got FX55 on phase @3ghz or so, but 3dmark2k1 only improves like a few hundred pts. may need to reinstall OS as going back and forth to Chaintech really borked me
did you plug drive right into the vnf4? I had to reinstall, but didn't need to do F6 load drivers from floppy crap. I just let it roll and winxp installed fine. is nf4 native sata?Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
I'm using PATA drives now not SATA yet. I will prolly use some SATA later, but didn't feel like hosing an install too soon. Seems I did anyway lol!
You don't need to reinstall OS. Just the motherboard chipset drivers again.
Great performance a lot better than the A8N SLI:
http://img157.exs.cx/img157/2840/SandraAll3107K8NF.jpg
i know, but try going back and forth, see what happens :pQuote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
great performance! a lot better than the Dell Dimension 4100!Quote:
Originally Posted by pinto
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Don't say! I might lose my faith in Dell. :toast:
that's nice, mine isn't stable past 270mhz but I gotta try a few more things as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by pinto
good job there mate
Woot!
Nabbed #1 3DMark 2001SE with 6600GT
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8334940
lol that's awesome John! Stock gfx cooling too. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
...my 6800gt score isn't much better than that.
see if you can beat the top 2003 6800gt score now.
this is what you need to beat:
3DMark Score: 14849 =AG=Racer9 OC3Dmark Team
User: srednal@bellsouth.net
Date: 2004-12-27
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 4010 MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT, 465 MHz / 1228 MHz
Display Driver: 6.6.9.3
Driver Status: WHQL - FM Approved
2500 over my 9800 score. I'll see what i can get out of my rig when it arrives. Hope i can crack my 9800 score :D
Some bench with this motherboard
3DMARK 2001SE : http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8335109
3DMARK 2003 : http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3523689
http://www.geocities.com/benny_nejkt/3dm01.txt
out of the box
hrm, maybe I should throw my X700 in here and try to takeout #1 there :)
cept my x700 doesn't oc well at all :(
:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
Nice work.
How come your nature was stuck at about 100-110 for a while, LOD setting ?
Regards
Andy
Sorry, ignore me
Has anyone done vdimm mod on this board, I have some BH5 and 2.8v is not enough.
not yet afaik, but has tended to be pretty easy with most gigabytes for a while now, think someone said the booster works fine , or that mighta been the msi. The ultra versions apparently has up to 3.1v in bios, hopefully a future release of bios might have higher voltage.
Here is the 3.3v to cap mod. :)Quote:
Has anyone done vdimm mod on this board, I have some BH5 and 2.8v is not enough.
BH-5 loves this mod.
http://img66.exs.cx/img66/3183/33mod6xu.jpg
such a pain in the ass, from what i can tell, from trying lots of diff booting fsb's and diff methods of increasing fsb in clockgen, i can't boot at so many diff fsb's, for instance 230 doesn't work, nor did 267, 273 doesn't work, but loads inbetween don't work.
Is it possible the clockgenerator used just misses out lots of fsb and setting them causes freezing? cos theres no reason for 230 to not work but 272 works perfectly. Likewise from any bootable fsb from 200-272 if i increase fsb in clock gen 3 bits at a time which is just over 1.5Mhz(takes ages) it works, any more and it crashes, though if i do 6 bits at a time it works fine again. saying that maybe the usable fsb changes above 280mhz, as some fsb's seem to work and some don't, too random, i can run 282Mhz stable at 2.5,3,3,7 but can't seem to get higher with any other mem settings.
Also the new bios seemed to give me 10Mhz more, also adds a pre-optimised for certain mem types, kingston/winbond bh-5, twinmos with bh-5, tccc, infineon mem and one other i think. can't actually tell what it does though :p
Thanks guys, I did try the booster but the board would not boot although I will try another power supply first.
choseone214, with that mod is it possible to make any adjustment to v dimm or does it just remain constant?
It will be constant to what your 3.3v rail is set at. On the bright side the ram will only get better as It burns in and you will not get any voltage fluctuations at all unless your PSU is crappy.
The booster should work becasue it does just what the 3.3v to Cap mod does supplys voltage to pin 7.
As for gigabyte nf3-nf4 and cold booting or booting high fsb from bios I never had luck there. I always used clockgen and set it to overclock on startup. Some say you need to boot at 220mhz first in bios go to windows reboot and then go 240mzh then you can go higher. Not sure about this board though Opp seemed to have no issues on the MSI with bios high HTT posting, but all boards are different.
Changed to an Enermax power supply and it boots with the booster ok, trouble is the voltage goes from 2.5 up to 3.8 and back down again continuosly, I turned it off to investigate wtf going on there, I measured it at the mosfet aswell and that voltage was getin through to the ram :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
Silly me, I had to mod the booster to get it to fit and made a mistake :am:
Its seems to be ok now so off to try the ram at more volts :D
lol, GL :)
Just received new BIOS F3a from Gigabyte Taiwan, you can download it here
Just got this board n the week 49 3200+
unable to oc yet because my new PDP patriot seems to be faulty because it fails memtest even w slack timing on 230Mhz so now running @stock 200 2-2-2-5
would test the memory elsewhere to confirm faulty b4 rma it
so had to test out next wk to c how this new baby rocks
Hello, new here, been following this thread.
Decided to go with this over the Chaintech (I have both). Got it installed last night and everything went well, except the damn keyboard (PS2) doesn't work I've read that a USB one does. Anyone know if the new bios fixes this? Really annoying can't complete my install.
thanks..now trying ...but had to notch up the vcore abit as stock is hovering around 1.39 only...fail even 1M super pi but ok after a 0.025up.....still trying. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
well ps/2 keyboard works fine for me on the shipping f1 and f2 bios.
gigabyte easytune finally works with f2 bios, and it seems when chosing any fsb it clocks it to one fairly close to it and never seems to fail even with fairly large jumps, much better than clockgen on this, but i think it must be that lots of weird fsb's just don't work on this board. cheapass clockgen, weird bios's, who knows. just switched system to a 7700 zalman which is freaking huge, and fits great with mem in any slots and gfx is so far down i can fit the artic cooling sink i got for it fine. Also x800xt in there and so much faster for same price, nice. Will see what it can do now, ramping up with new week 46 3200+ aswell.
replace w a pair of corsair xms but still same. can only run w multiplier for 2.4Ghz. it seems the board don like to go higher htt ?
hit wall at 220 Mhz on 2225 and relax timing but can't get through this barrier. will the new bios help ?
thanks
First take chipset cooling off remove that awfal pad and set HTT in bios to 3x. The board will do 270-280mhz at the "LEAST" so your missing something. Try a 166mhz ddr ratio next if you haven't already. If that ram is BH-5 your wall could be that IMO as BH-5 seems to need voltage on these boards and the chipsets that run BH-5 and or the CPU's ddr controller need VDD to match the rams low latency and the 2.8v that alot of boards give won't get you very far.Quote:
replace w a pair of corsair xms but still same. can only run w multiplier for 2.4Ghz. it seems the board don like to go higher htt ?
hit wall at 220 Mhz on 2225 and relax timing but can't get through this barrier. will the new bios help ?
thanks