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Epox 9nda3+ Test(ddr670 Pass!!!)
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What ram are u using? The bandwidth seems a bit low
Edit i just saw gskill
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@ georgesod its Gskill PC4800, yeah the screenshot is a lil tricky to read...I guess the latency does hurt performance even at these high speeds :rolleyes:
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Yeah, this board can definetely hit high HTTs...
It does need the new BIOS (10 Nov) though, to properly support some double banked dimms...
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Originally Posted by jlccarv
Yeah, this board can definetely hit high HTTs...
It does need the new BIOS (10 Nov) though, to properly support some double banked dimms...
do you guys have any trouble running ldt at x3?? if i set it in the bios i can't get it to post.
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I have run 325fsb dual channel DDR650 on this same Epox with 2x512dimms which up's the memory controller load much more than 2x256...but it needs 2T just like we are probably seeing here.
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Yeah this is definitely 2T cmd. That should be way over 8k in sandra even with the crap timings.
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windwithme can you try 1T for us?
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so that board doesnt suck as bad as i have bin hearing
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Guys with a vdimm mod the boards pretty sweet, I have mailed Epox suggesting they add a few extra tweaking options to the ram setup and then it would be a lot better.
Just for jollies I decided to run 2t with some 3200rev2 2x512. Its pretty stable here although i have a driver issue with sandra crashing out but super pi and everest are totally fine.
See what you think. CPU is a 3800+ running 320fsbx8 2T
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
Guys with a vdimm mod the boards pretty sweet, I have mailed Epox suggesting they add a few extra tweaking options to the ram setup and then it would be a lot better.
Just for jollies I decided to run 2t with some 3200rev2 2x512. Its pretty stable here although i have a driver issue with sandra crashing out but super pi and everest are totally fine.
See what you think. CPU is a 3800+ running 320fsbx8 2T
cant you just use a DDR booster other thin hard modding it?
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Originally Posted by confuzzedintel
cant you just use a DDR booster other thin hard modding it?
the booster kills the board here...so don't try it ;)
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one last usless post can you post a pick of the vdim mod ?
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All Test Use 1t
Neo 2.85v Run Ddr670
9nda3+ 2.8v Run Ddr670
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Originally Posted by confuzzedintel
one last usless post can you post a pick of the vdim mod ?
Ok just for you ;) Pot is 50K linear set to max resistance to start. Pin6 to ground (in this case a fan header so i can unplug it)
Contrast is a little high but its nice an clear for you.
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that mod dont look as hard as i thought what if other thin soldering the black wire on i just make sure it has contact and hot glue it that way if the board dies i can still RMA it?
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Originally Posted by confuzzedintel
that mod dont look as hard as i thought what if other thin soldering the black wire on i just make sure it has contact and hot glue it that way if the board dies i can still RMA it?
I would solder it m8
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so found the absolute max...seems you need to match the ram to the board well and it really does need the vdimm mod.
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bummer i suck at soldering owell thanks for the info and i will now quit spaming/hijacking someone els thread :)
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So where does the Epox fall into it all? Better than the MSI or about the same?
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I think its better although it needs an update to the bios for all the alpha tweaks and the vdimm mod.
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i have always known epox for there extreme voltages its sad to see they didnt bring it along with this board
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i have to agree this board is better than the neo2. a better bios would make this board shine even more. cant wait till i get my fx-55 under the LS. hurry up mr fedex man :p:
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what are the prices like?
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Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
Ok just for you ;) Pot is 50K linear set to max resistance to start. Pin6 to ground (in this case a fan header so i can unplug it)
Contrast is a little high but its nice an clear for you.
Can u post a pic of the Vcoremod ;)
Do it need a 50k or 100 k ?
Thx
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what's the max vcore and vdimm without a vmod?
Between this one and the MSI neo2, or the future DFI lanparty (nf3 one), who's the better for oc and performance? Because DDR670 sounds sweeeeeeeeet :banana:
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Can u post a pic of the Vcoremod ;)
Do it need a 50k or 100 k ?
Thx
maybe this 'll help ;)
don't mind the red and yellow circles and crosses, the people that were working on the mod originally encircled all the voltage related chips and then crossed out the ones that weren't the ones they were looking for. the only ones that matter carry the explanation in red text in the white backgrounds.
*edit* for those that already have the board, any comments on this? it's from a thread here but I couldn't find it anymore, luckily someone also posted it on madshrimps ;)
pros
runs great with ocz eb
runs great with bh5
runs great with ballistix
runs great with tccd
uses the 5v rail to derive vdimm
port80 diagnostic display
cons
problems with 512mb sticks latest bios seems to fix this
WARNING! do NOT use the ocz DDR booster on this board! vdimm above 2.8v will fry a mosfet and kill the board!
coldboot issues, random crashes and freezes from usb hardware (mouse keyboard printer etc)
cant run command rate 1t in slots 1&2 latest bios seems to fix this
vdimm is stuck at 2.7v and wont rise seems to work fine for some people
cpu temperature not reading correctly seems to work fine for some people
vcore ovp at 1.9v
only memory without a heatspreader will fit in slot1 with an xp120
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Originally Posted by trans am
Yeah this is definitely 2T cmd. That should be way over 8k in sandra even with the crap timings.
If you can follow my setting, and using the 2T set running the 8k speed. You win
If you can't follow and you lose
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So right now the USB's are not functional?
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I also own this board and realy like it :)
This is the max i got this out of it :D
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/pjm..._2.5_4_3_7.JPG
It has got some probs. with the memory and bios.
Like bigtoe says it needs a bios to fix this.
I also think its mucht better than the msi seems much faster working with apps somehow.
I can only run this high in slot 3+4 ... when i put the ram in 1+2 the system is very unstable ... cannot even get 10x 250 stable ... timings doesnt matter ... :mad:
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBandit
I also own this board and realy like it :)
This is the max i got this out of it :D
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/pjm..._2.5_4_3_7.JPG
It has got some probs. with the memory and bios.
Like bigtoe says it needs a bios to fix this.
I also think its mucht better than the msi seems much faster working with apps somehow.
I can only run this high in slot 3+4 ... when i put the ram in 1+2 the system is very unstable ... cannot even get 10x 250 stable ... timings doesnt matter ... :mad:
my insert dimm1&dimm2 :)
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so ur meaning is EPOX as good as MSI ?
last summer I thought " ... will choose EPOX"... but... now think that MSI sound better..
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here is a new unofficial beta bios md34b25 :)
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Originally Posted by Zanr Zij
so ur meaning is EPOX as good as MSI ?
last summer I thought " ... will choose EPOX"... but... now think that MSI sound better..
9NDA3+ IS BETTER THAN NEO2
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Originally Posted by jlccarv
Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...
iam also browsing a bit for a possible amd64 purchase..
and the epox is "here in germany" in the same price level as the msi
to be exactly it € 5,- more expensive
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Originally Posted by jlccarv
Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...
and better ?
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Originally Posted by trans am
Yeah this is definitely 2T cmd. That should be way over 8k in sandra even with the crap timings.
wrong answer, it's definitely 1t CMD ;)
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Originally Posted by Jeager
and better ?
This has been said a number of times already :stick:
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Originally Posted by windwithme
9NDA3+ IS BETTER THAN NEO2
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On my 9NDA3+, dimm slots 1 and 2 are stuffed when using 2x512MB modules, in dual channel (of course). Test 6 in memtest reports 1000's of errors at stock. In dimm slots 3 and 4 they run perfectly.
Whats more wierd is that, 2x256MB modules work a charm in dimm slots 1 and 2....
Im using the 10 Nov 34b10. I tried to flash the beta 34b25 (ALT+F2 method), but it stalled before it flashed, I'll try again soon...
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Originally Posted by Jeager
and better ?
I've never used the Neo2 Plat, so I cant compare the two...
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Originally Posted by Jeager
and better ?
yes
I Use over 15 slices of MSI K8n neo2
9nda3 is + better than neo2 in exceeding frequently
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Originally Posted by windwithme
yes
I Use over 15 slices of MSI K8n neo2
9nda3 is + better than neo2 in exceeding frequently
Can u show me BIOS setting best 4 9nda3+ with Winchester ?
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Originally Posted by Zanr Zij
Can u show me BIOS setting best 4 9nda3+ with Winchester ?
And then after a while. Have I by BIOS it last test of respect not other , then can no photo that you need will be offered:)
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Originally Posted by jlccarv
On my 9NDA3+, dimm slots 1 and 2 are stuffed when using 2x512MB modules, in dual channel (of course). Test 6 in memtest reports 1000's of errors at stock. In dimm slots 3 and 4 they run perfectly.
Whats more wierd is that, 2x256MB modules work a charm in dimm slots 1 and 2....
Im using the 10 Nov 34b10. I tried to flash the beta 34b25 (ALT+F2 method), but it stalled before it flashed, I'll try again soon...
I got the exact same thing with my 9nda3+ 2x 512 mb dimms run terrible in 1 and 2 :mad:
I flashed to the beta using winflash windows utility works like a charm !
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Originally Posted by esoteradactyl
here is a new unofficial beta bios
md34b25 :)
What has BIOS which Could you tell me this edition improved? 9NDA3 of me use 256MBX2 in unable to start the machine DIMM3&4
Thanks :)
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hey guys, what is maximum vcore w/ a winchester cpu, is it 1.6v via bios ? and if 1.6v is selected, whats the real vcore then about ? is it undervolting very much ? does the latest beta bios maybe raise vcore ? i think a decent board should at least give 1.65v effectively. :)
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Yes she is better than the MSI but why ?
More stable ? better voltage ?
I know epox motherboard but tell me more plz :p:
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If you don't need RAID same board for $92 @mwave.com :toast:
http://www.epox.com/USA/product.asp?id=EP-9NDA3J
Excellent work windwithme :banana4:
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Originally Posted by jlccarv
Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...
It's only $10 cheaper on newegg. $130 shipped was the best deal I could find on this board through pricewatch.
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Originally Posted by JDizzle
It's only $10 cheaper on newegg. $130 shipped was the best deal I could find on this board through pricewatch.
Hmm, i figured the price difference was similar to what it is in Australia. Here the 9NDA3+ is ~AUD$240 and the Neo2 Plat is ~AUD$290...
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBandit
I got the exact same thing with my 9nda3+ 2x 512 mb dimms run terrible in 1 and 2 :mad:
I flashed to the beta using winflash windows utility works like a charm !
Ah, super! will flash tonight :up:
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Originally Posted by Jeager
Yes she is better than the MSI but why ?
More stable ? better voltage ?
I know epox motherboard but tell me more plz :p:
Frequently easier to reach than neo2 to have + 300 outsides of 9nda3
Just operated the computer and ran 1.6V run 2.7G while being steady while being about Use the same CPU with RAM before this Is it get 1.7V is unable to let P95 run two PASSs to add at NEO2
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware...9NDA3/2700.jpg
But the network is really unstable, but the little younger brother has already touched too much unstable problems of NV board network from NF2 to now So I have already prepared 3COM, the network card is very cheap
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Max Vddr is 2.8 :confused:
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBandit
I got the exact same thing with my 9nda3+ 2x 512 mb dimms run terrible in 1 and 2 :mad:
I flashed to the beta using winflash windows utility works like a charm !
Just so Im sure on this; was the problem with dimm slots 1 and 2 fixed after you flashed the BETA BIOS?
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what new with the beta bios need some infor
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Originally Posted by jlccarv
Just so Im sure on this; was the problem with dimm slots 1 and 2 fixed after you flashed the BETA BIOS?
Nope problem is still there .... :mad:
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ok have anyone try it with 4x256 memory. like me. right now i have it a 9x260 and the memory is at FSB 216(166) i know i can get more out of it but do not know what is hold me back can any one help
also can anyone tell me do i have to set agp 67 or can i set it at 66
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Originally Posted by Jeager
Max Vddr is 2.8 :confused:
It seems so...:S
If they don't fix this it will be a major negative point against this motherboard and the MSI will continue to be best socket 939 board.
Btw, the problem with the OCZ Booster it's only because of the voltage increase or the booster is incompatible at all for other reasons?
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Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
It seems so...:S
If they don't fix this it will be a major negative point against this motherboard and the MSI will continue to be best socket 939 board.
Btw, the problem with the OCZ Booster it's only because of the voltage increase or the booster is incompatible at all for other reasons?
im wondering the same thing altho the vmod dosnt seem that hard to do but i would like to find a way of doing it with out pernatly vmodding the board
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to esoteradactyl:
thanks :)
Want BIOS diagram CPU voltage, preserves and adds 0.5V, it is that 1.45V take-offs to be basic http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B1.JPG
Time have frequently, have 8 lower frequently most, 3000+ is 200X9, so there is 8& 9 but choices The same, 3200+ is 80 but the choice, the elasticity is not great enough http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B2.JPG
RAM voltage, 2.5~2.8V, TCCD is set as 2.7V in advance with AUTO, it will be better that there is above 2.8V
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B3.JPG
NF3 chip's group's voltage, 1.6V is preserved, can pressurize , this is a advantage
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B4.JPG
Parameter of RAM
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B5.JPG
It is here to establish CPU adds 0.2V RAM 2.8V Chip 1.65V Voltage that the host computer board examines out actually
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B6.JPG
11/25 BETA BIOS behavior that esoteradactyl offers is still good Original part that DIMM3&4 can't start the machine (whether have meet by net friend can run 4 3&, 2 1& not all right) Can go to DDR600 about one pair of passways now, it is still a bit weaker than 1& 2 on my board Basically test this host computer board unless it get here of, can come report more for new discovery:)
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so a vcore of approximately 1.6v is max. available ? ;(
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The bios is quite cool for ocer , unlike the Neo2 does :(
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Originally Posted by confuzzedintel
im wondering the same thing altho the vmod dosnt seem that hard to do but i would like to find a way of doing it with out pernatly vmodding the board
What i understood of the problem is that if you raise the vdimm above 2.8v it will fry a mosfet and kill the board.
Now if it is OCZ DDR Booster + Epox fault or it's only fault of one of them i don't know.
If someone could clarify us that...
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Originally Posted by confuzzedintel
im wondering the same thing altho the vmod dosnt seem that hard to do but i would like to find a way of doing it with out pernatly vmodding the board
i dont think the booster works on any board that draws the vdimm from the 5v rail.
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Originally Posted by esoteradactyl
i dont think the booster works on any board that draws the vdimm from the 5v rail.
In that case if you raise the 5v rail you raise the Vdimm, right ?
With the OCZ powestream that would be very easy but we don't know if the mosfet also melts in that case.
Btw, can someone give me a link to see or tell the usage of the PSU rails for the different hardware ?
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Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
What i understood of the problem is that if you raise the vdimm above 2.8v it will fry a mosfet and kill the board.
Now if it is OCZ DDR Booster + Epox fault or it's only fault of one of them i don't know.
If someone could clarify us that...
The Question is, if this only can happen with the DDR Booster, or also with the vdimm mod.
Bigtoe, how much Volts can you give with your mod? I have also read, that vdimm above 1,7V can be unstable on this board. Have you realized any Problems?
Still not sure which Board to buy... :confused:
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Originally Posted by Riemen
The Question is, if this only can happen with the DDR Booster, or also with the vdimm mod.
That's exactly what i said. :)
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Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
In that case if you raise the 5v rail you raise the Vdimm, right ?
With the OCZ powestream that would be very easy but we don't know if the mosfet also melts in that case.
Btw, can someone give me a link to see or tell the usage of the PSU rails for the different hardware ?
no that is not how it works. there is a voltage regulator limiting the amount of voltage allowed through it. by moding it, you will be lowering the resistance thus allowing for more voltage. so raising the 5v line will do nothing unless you mode the voltage regulator. if you were to mode the regulator there would be no reason to raise your 5v line since you would already have 5v available.
however if you were modding the 3.3v then you would increase the rail in order to raise the voltage above 3.3v. obviously that isnt an option on this board, but it is on alot of others.
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Originally Posted by esoteradactyl
no that is not how it works. there is a voltage regulator limiting the amount of voltage allowed through it. by moding it, you will be lowering the resistance thus allowing for more voltage. so raising the 5v line will do nothing unless you mode the voltage regulator. if you were to mode the regulator there would be no reason to raise your 5v line since you would already have 5v available.
however if you were modding the 3.3v then you would increase the rail in order to raise the voltage above 3.3v. obviously that isnt an option on this board, but it is on alot of others.
Thanks for the explanation.
I was applying the same logical method that you explained for the 3.3v. :)
But the board can reach higher vdimms (with mod) without the mosfet melting or not?
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Is the chip capable of setting higher voltages 2.8v+ with a modded BIOS? Is the BIOS mod-able in regard to vdimm, for that matter?
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Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
Thanks for the explanation.
I was applying the same logical method that you explained for the 3.3v. :)
But the board can reach higher vdimms (with mod) without the mosfet melting or not?
in order to use the 3.3v method you would still need to mod the board the same way i explained how the 5v method works. the dfi 250gb is the only board ive ever seen that would allow you to just raise the 3.3v without physically modding the board, but this was used with a special bios.
you dont need to be worry about frying anything as long as you have good airflow surrounding the board.
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Is the chip capable of setting higher voltages 2.8v+ with a modded BIOS? Is the BIOS mod-able in regard to vdimm, for that matter?
i checked the bios with modbin to see if any additional voltage options were available and didnt find anything :( a modded bios might work but it all depends on the type of volt regs they used on the board.
it was interesting though because there were two different listings for the vcore. one had vcore at +0.20v and the other had +0.35v. i have no clue if those options can be used or not. the option to make them selectable in the bios is not there. here are some pics that show my findings. i know bigtoe is good with bioses so maybe he can lend us some of his knowledge :)
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That first list is great... vcore selectable from +0.025v to +0.35v in 0.025 increments!!! That is exactly what I have been hoping for vcore wise... nice one esoteradactyl.
Just to confirm what you said earlier; that the 9NDA dimm slots are fed by the 5.0v rail? Now, if to find a way of getting vdimm selectable up to ~4.0v.
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Originally Posted by Zebo
Are you sure it has the same bios options and everything just not raid? i dont need onboard raid i will get a controller card later on down the road.
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Originally Posted by confuzzedintel
Are you sure it has the same bios options and everything just not raid? i dont need onboard raid i will get a controller card later on down the road.
I'll let you know.
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Originally Posted by Zebo
I'll let you know.
i apreciate it because if it is the same it is worth saving the extra 30 bucks.
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looks like a good board for 90......everything else is the same, right?
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Originally Posted by buff
looks like a good board for 90......everything else is the same, right?
thats what we are trying to figure out is if it is the same or not, i think it is except for the RAID
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Anyone else concerned they may be of lesser quality silicon ? Or does that not matter as much with the on die mem controllers ?
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uhm....somebody buy it and tell us please :D
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I did buy it, saturday. But I'm cheap and went with 3-5 day ground. "it's in the mail" I let you know ASAP.
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i was poking arround in the bios for the Epox 9nda3+ and i must say i like alot of the options it offers
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oooooooo
cant wait to find out......
I think this is the board I am going to get.......
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whats about the subzero bug?
somebody tested?
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Looks like the board can run high HTT at high FSB... look what I've done: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=20940
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Originally Posted by kristos
vdimm is stuck at 2.7v and wont rise seems to work fine for some people[/i]
on 8KDA3+ I had this was caused by setting system performance to "fastest" eg use dimm mfr default settings. if you use "normal" vdimm selection acts normally (was only 2.76v though at 2.8v setting).
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Hey buff and guys re $90 EPOX 9NDA3J rev 2 I got the board in today installing OS right now.
As far as I can tell There is little difference between it and it's $130 brother.
Missing FW
Missing rounded cables.
Missing Firewire headers
Missing Screwdriver
Only 2 sata RAID vs. 4
Other than that it's exactly the same board. Same box, Same bios options, same layout.
I'm pretty stoked after having the Gigabyte which would'nt even boot@240.
This board boots @ 315
Another thing i really like about EPOX is it's the best manual I've ever read. All bios options are clear explained and using good english.
I'll update once everything's up. Wish me luck
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That board is doing really well, look foward to some results.
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Originally Posted by Zebo
All bios options are clear explained and using good english.
You mean, proper english. Seeing as though we are taking stabs at the way some speak/write english.
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Originally Posted by Zebo
WINDWITHME
HUH?
WINDWITHME is obviously using an english to his native language dictionary, of some sort. So, a little tact would be appreciated. On to what he means; the chipset voltage is at 1.60v by default, it can be changed and is therefore an advantage (over the Neo2, I presume).
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Originally Posted by Zebo
I'll update once everything's up. Wish me luck
Good luck... :up:
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on 8KDA3+ I had this was caused by setting system performance to "fastest" eg use dimm mfr default settings. if you use "normal" vdimm selection acts normally (was only 2.76v though at 2.8v setting).
This issue is/was present with the shipping BIOS of the 9NDA3+, but consequent BIOS revisions have provided a fix...
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Zebo, thanks for the info!
Saw that board and started salivating.
what cpu are you using?
The 3000+ for $160 at monarchcomputer.com looks pretty good.
looking forward to your results!
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Epox $90 board kickass...
315 Bus easy @1.60 v chipset on stock bios, all the bios option of big brother.testing mem now...I'm no expert so bear with me time wise..
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so you ARE using a 3000+ on that board?
looks good so far! mind if I ask what ram, etc?
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Originally Posted by okra
so you ARE using a 3000+ on that board?
looks good so far! mind if I ask what ram, etc?
Yes on my gigabyte I could not post past 240 for some reason so it *really* limited the 3000's OC because only max 9 multiplier .:( I was running at only 2100 Mhz because of this board limitation. Needless to say, I'm just happy to get high FSB now.:)
RAM samsung TCCD (pqi) 2 x 512 in slots 3 and 4
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sweet!
I'm currently using a gig of some old Samsung TCCC, probably going to get the 3200+ for the 10x multi, and see what I can do without having to buy new ram.
won't do anything past 210 on my nf7, so it should be interesting.
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Heres best I can do with mem it's only 2t though
I can do 282 at 1t with same timmings.
