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K8n Neo2 Chip: 0438A2 Made in Taiwan:
Date:NOV 2004 released, nothing new
Bios: 1.37 Moded
http://www.e04hardware.com/coolalerbb/neo2nb.jpg
What kind of improvement?
well, as usual, I need to set vddr as 2.65 to run DDR570 2.5-3-3-7 to pass memtest std test
now, use only 2.5v
http://www.devilsword.com/neo2/neo2nov1.jpg
(HTT=3x)
http://www.devilsword.com/neo2/neo2nov2.jpg
any indicator as to date of release seen on the box's label ???
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Originally Posted by eva2000
With S/N:K0411xxxxxx :toast:
Please do me a favour and see if that board runs well with 4 sticks of RAM in it.
The sticker on the board says made in china.... But you said it was made in taiwan.. Im confused.. Or are you just refering to the nf3 chip itself...
Onepagebook, what PSU are you using ???
OCZ 520w powerstream:D
update:
How about DDR584 2.6v..( This pair of RAM is what I received from agenda2005, he could npt even got 275, 3-4-4-8@ abit av8 1.1 :D )
http://www.devilsword.com/neo2/neo2nov3.jpg
http://www.devilsword.com/neo2/neo2nov4.jpg
Thats weird mine is a 0439A2 Korea and the serial num is a 0410XXXXX
Some user reported better BH-x performance with the new version can you confirm that?
Do you have your winchester to check if the subzero bug is still there?
Basically, I would say October and November boards are all good. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by esdee
I did tried the 3500+ 0.09micron, nothing wrong though. :)
Damn OPB :toast: :toast:
you mean no no-reboot when the winch is COLD?
Please if you have the time check that bh-x performance
Thanks
/EDIT I have the impression that the Chipset is printed upside down :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by esdee
Did that long time ago since I used 1.3b6 at that moment: :toast:
mobo: MSI k8n neo2 1.3b6 beta bios
CPU : 3500+ 90nm s939
Cooling : vapo LS
OCZ DDR booster 3.7v
http://www.e04hardware.com/coolalerbb/ddr560bh5.jpg
Thanks!!!:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
You really push those Mushkin HARD!!!
WOW... just wow. I cant beleive my eyes! My Abit Av8 sucks and dissapointing. Do you know any store where I can order for those new MSI board and get the new release? I check newegg yesterday and all their MSI NF3 Neo2 board are sold out. I guess they should be getting the new revision soon. Does anyone know how I can work around the MSI NF3 Neo2 board to get Thermalright XP-120 heatsink to fit on it. I can't do away with my XP-120 bcos of it's cool and quite operation but I also need this MSI badly. Thermalright mentioned that the backplate obstruct the XP-120 mounting. Unfortuntly I have already lapped the XP-120 and cannot return it for exchange for XP-90. Any help will be appreciated at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Onepagebook,Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
What type of cooling are you using? Vapo LS or what. That CPU temp (41C) is a bit high for Vapo LS, so I'm wondering what type of cooling you were using.
The problem I thought with the XP-120 is the cap.Quote:
Thermalright mentioned that the backplate obstruct the XP-120 mounting. Unfortuntly I have already lapped the XP-120 and cannot return it for exchange for XP-90.
http://img2.exs.cx/img2/3968/bent.jpg
I reckon you have 2 choices.
Either bend the cap, or squash the offending pipe (or cut a bit out of it)
It's not a good idea to start cutting heatpipes :)
Bending or replacing the cap (with another one or at different orientation) might be a good idea.
Thanks for that nice pic. I don't want to squash the pipe, as i may want to sell it on ebay anytime later. Which cap are you talking about. Do you mean the MB backplate or some capacitors on it. Did you actually fit XP-120 on your MSI board or what? Please give me more details on the work around if so. Does XP-120 block any of your memory DIMMs?Quote:
Originally Posted by split
thanks onepage :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=241143Quote:
Originally Posted by agenda2005
the reading temp from MSI is ALWAYS wrong.:D
Thanks, the temperature reading is a big problem on all S939 MB. ASUS seems to do a better job on this area though. I'm using an AXP-2500+ and the PC probe seems to work pretty good on the ASUS Nforce2 A7N8X-E Deluxe MB.
@ Onepagebook: so, you just want to say, that all "newer" boards are good/better? :)
OMG... u just addresed my main worries... so there's still hope for my stock of BH-5 to fly on Neo2/Winnie.... i guess i'll be ordering that combo very very soon, then....Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
excellent work on those mushkins... :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
No problem, but please note..be aware of that I was using OCZ DDR booster to reach that bench! but you will need kinda hight volt to get that stable like I was running 3d as following shot: :toast:
http://www.e04hardware.com/fx55/39534.jpg
excellent 3d bench !!! volts is not a problem... on my NF2 Infinity i was showing my BH-5 up to 3.9v with 120mm fan blowing on mems... but that was vdimm taken from 5v rail... Neo2 takes it from 3.3v so having 4v rail is no joke.... maybe i should get a booster to play with as soon as i get Neo2/Winnie...
thanx for screenies....
damn those are some high clocks on the vid card there on page... What voltages in memory and core on the vid card?
It's the bent black one that's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by agenda2005
I see someone over at the MSI forums fit one, and he had awfull temps. (seen the same on amdmb.com forums as well)
It was only when someone posted some pics here (scroll down for the smaller ones as those are huge) that the problem became obvious.
thermalright say..
K8N Neo2 Platinum Not Compatible (caps mechanically obstruct pipe.)
I haven't fitted one myself, but a few have and by bending that cap they get good results.
It just depends on how you feel about bending that cap I suppose.
As this cooler has like a clip fit, you don't need anything leaning it to one side (like a cap) else it won't do the job well at all.
If it leans or is obstructed, it performs worse than a stock cooler according to those the didn't see offending cap.
When asked about the space for the ram, this is the reply from one of the guys who fitted one (damn forums that don't allow links to posts)
Well with my Corsair 3200XLPT theres between 1cm and 2cm of space between the ram and heatsink. It would be hard for me to take the ram out that are in slots 1 and 2 but once in there theres no problem.
Just got my Neo2 from zipzoomfly yesterday. If i remember correctly, after removing HSF for AS5,... the chip rev was 0440A2.
So far, this board is rocking compared to my last :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty Neo2 that I gave up for an even :banana::banana::banana::banana:tier A8V.
Havn''t had too much play time, but currently running 3500+ NC @ 2805(11x267, 2.5-3-3-7-1t) prime stable with vapoLS, OCZ 3200 Plat REV2 @ 267Mhz. Can go up to 10.5x280 but won't prime.
Threw in my bh6 and DDR booster and got a nice 250Mhz 2-2-2-5-1t @ 3.5v 1:1, could run a couple benchies, but only primed @ 240, which is similar to other boards I've had it on. The OCZ TCCD(with "new" style heatspreaders, thinkin the new TCCD rev?), will do 240 2-2-2-5-1t w/ 3.4v from the booster, but only benchable. Booster was working GREAT up to 3.7v, which was the highest I tried
Kinda likin this board so far. Traded a 3500+ winny to a friend for a NC, not able to get it to work right with vapo on A8V. Now want the winny back! :( :( hearing these boards might work with them.
weird this OCZ platRev2 shows diff SPD's in CPUz. One is correct - OCZ PC3200PLATREV2. other is AMD PC4000?? :confused: :confused: . Could it be the board, or this RAM?? It is a Dual Channel kit??
Also, couldn't seem to OC my 6800Ultra as high with this board at first. Was getting "PAUSING" in 3d, for up to 10 sec, then "unpause". disabled fast writes(which lowers 3dmarks for me) and tweaked with AGP aperture seems to have fixed this. still a few mhz under my previous stable high(497/1323) with every other board the cards been in. hmmm, any suggestions??
BTW
3500+ NC
K8N Neo2 Plat
2x512MB OCZ Plat Rev2
PNY 6800Ultra
OCZ PowerStream 520w
Can you post some pics of the MB and some result of your overclock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Str!P
Thanks alot. The "cap" here means the capacitor? Right? No problem, I can work around that. It's not a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by split
Quote:
Originally Posted by agenda2005
Yep :)
11x267 = 2937mhz, not 2805mhz. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Str!P
2805 / 267 = 10.5, so im guessing your running at 10.5 x 267? your ram would be running at 255mhz, even though it says 267mhz. im guessing you havnt heard of the .5 multi bug?
simple explanation:
with every half multi, 8.5, 9.5, etc... the memory actually runs at a speed lesser then the HTT. you round your multi up, and divide the cpu speed, by that rounded number.
example:
cpu is at 10.5 x 267htt = 2805mhz.
10.5 rounded up is 11. er... i guess that wasnt really necessary. ;)
2805 / 11 = 255.
so your memory would be running at 255mhz, NOT 267mhz.
can you give us a screenshot of the SPD timings in cpu-z? i'd like to see what your talking about.
for the 6800u, thats already an amaizingly high clock... while you say the fastwrite decreases your 3dmark score, i've seen it suggested that you disable it(on many motherboards), i suppose just for stabibility? i really dont know...
Oops, yeah, that's what I meant. 10.5..Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
hmmm, i'll try runnin some benchies at 10x
the last two paragraphs of that reply are on different parts of your posts, could you please read, and reply to them? ;) well, atleast just the screenshot of the SPD timings.
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Originally Posted by phourstar
I ordered one of these last monday, and it is only a SN:K0408xxxxxx
Onepage, do you think these are good too? Or should I pry the NB fan off and have a look-see.
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Originally Posted by Str!P
Hey hey, what's the first 5 digits of your SN, I'm trying to figure something out :D
just take it off, not that hard, well if its not setup that is
one page, i just ordered my neo2. Do you think it will be this updated version. I got it over at monarch if it makes a diff.
@ onepage, how did you get the FX-55 to run at 3.2Gig at Vcore of 1.5V.....?
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Originally Posted by RebelsHaven
don't know..it's 0438 TPMW, and I am using VapoChill LS.. :)
Hmmmm...... I have a 0439UPMW and 2.95Gig is the max SuperPI will run at with TCCD memory 6/3/3/2.5, Vdimm 2.85V, Vcore 1.7V.......
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Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
ordered mine from monarch too on saturday, will be out today, will find out on wednesday probably :)
Don't forgot that if the shop have a lot of stock you will receave an old motherboard!
I have a MSI of september who work great with bh5 but not with my ocz pc3200 EL rev 2, i can do 285 2.5 3 3 5 @ 2.7v but only with 2T, with 1T my max is 250
There was a recent thread where someomne hand picked through some 0440 taiwans and there was one 0442 korea and the Korea one still clocked higher than the 0440 taiwan, but that was only one sample. I also got a 0440 taiwan.
the gigabyte has lots of settings, but not worth anything if they all reset from 239->240 FSB :mad: :brick: :down: :cussing: :bsod: :upset:
Better MSI + 3500 Winnie = mine: :D
'Okay' one + 3200 " = My beloved's :D :D
Is there any hope for a K0409xxxxxx-one? :( So far the best I got out of it with a 3500+ NC is 280x9 (HTT multi = 3x). It has a pair of G.Skill mem plugged in, so I don't think that my memory is the bottleneck...
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Originally Posted by Goofy666
Can't say 100% all of 0409xxx are bad...but some of them are really good! :)
Onepagebook, which BIOS did you use for your best 3DMark score?
Thanks
Ok, thx for the reply! :) I guess I'll have to buy me a Winchester then if I want to clock any further...Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
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Originally Posted by ojdr2001
If I am right, it should be 1.3b6, but now I feel 1.37moded is the best
1.41 is the fix of those who have hard time to get the higher fsb.
I just ordered from monarch computers which i think was a big mistake.
I ordered due to no one else having the mobo in stock.
SHould i RMA the mobo if i do not get a nov release.
What is the difference?? I hardly believe that this will do much in terms of overclocking
just got my msi neo2 part deux and it is 0440A2 - Taiwan - hope that is good !!
where did you order it!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by arctic-k20
i called monarchcomputer yesterday to ask the if they can give me S/N range with they latest delivery... they guy couldn't find that info but he said that boards that they're selling were delivered last week... so there's a hope that they're November release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
i just called monarch computers also.
the guy told me they delievered them nov 8th.
i ordered mine and i hope i get the newer version
their customer service sucks!
can anyone verify that they got the newer version from monarch?
bump
actually it doesn't have to be the Nov, Oct is also excellent
problem is make sure the chip production period is after 0430a2
this is what I tried from a other NOV version.
512mb 2 sticks, 1T 2.5-3-3-6-7-16
http://www.e04hardware.com/record/ddr596.jpg
[QUOTE=Onepagebook]actually it doesn't have to be the Nov, Oct is also excellent
problem is make sure the chip production period is after 0430a2
What does this mean 0430a2
and where do i find this number? On the brdge? or my athlon fx
[QUOTE=Unrealcpu]Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
NF3 chipset!;)
ok so i am good no matter what neo 2 plat i buy??Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
A few minutes ago i recived my MSI K8N Neo2
It is a 0442A2 :toast:
I will hope the xp3500 winnie will run with Vapochill LS
where in germany did u get that from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by babylon
Where are you getting these mobos??Quote:
Originally Posted by babylon
both of mine have been from excaliberpc.com
I got it from Mindfactory.
I ordert it on monday at 6pm ---- :D
Msi don't put much grease on it :eek:
http://www.straach.net/msi2.jpg
:toast:
http://www.straach.net/msi1.jpg
Let us see how this new Rev. of the NB clocks! Cmon! :D
So what is the exact problem with the chips prior to 0430A2? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I currently have 0420A2 Korea and i dont see any problems at the moment. The problem i found is choosing the right ram with the board.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [ r2 ]
NO!
0430a2 doesn't have any problem though,
they just ask what week made is that "nov. newer version"
so I said probably after 0430a2 :)
babylon, you can try the vapo, but dont hold your breath. I dont know of anyone who got the winnie to boot with the vapo on.
i *should* get my msi today from monarch, will take off heatsink when i take it out of box and post here saying what it was. it was sent out from monarch on monday.
It is not working :cussing:Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
So what can we do :confused:
Also with the 1.41b bios.
Now i'm thinking about to bye a xp3800/4000 or a FX
Winchester :bsod:
Do you know something about S/N: K0408xxxxxxx Onepagebook?
well...if you got k0408xxxx..that's up to your luck.;)
That's all i can say
that would be awesome... looking forward to it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pimp!
got to my house about an hour ago, fedex guy left it on door step, at work though, had to get neighbor to get it for me. get off at 7EST
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
Well i do ... onepagebook
I have a K0409xxxxxx, my 3500+ NC will run at 280x9 (though not Prime stable I think, still have to check it) so it's not too extreme. I think the newer boards can go further than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fragsta
It seems that us Belgians don't have much luck eh ;).
maybe your right Goofy666 :D
I still need to push this beauty to her max
I just got mine from Monarch today. It is a week 44 from taiwan. Looks like I got an even later one than you did one page. Luckily it is the taiwan version. Hopefully I get the performance that you have been able to get out of yours. Here are the pics.
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/nforcechipset.jpg
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/chipset_paste.jpg
http://www.nascar.eclipse.co.uk/chipset.jpg
same one as MaxxxRacer :)
edit: misspelled chipset :)
yeah bit low on that paste on the chipset, can see how much i had by the outline of whiteness on it
OK, just got k8ns ultra DOA!! no post no beeps. rma'd....... Just check newegg,com for neo2. it's out of stock, but says back in stock this friday after thanksgiving. I think this is a safe bet for latest chipset. I can't wait. As much as I swore I would never own msi again, I am going to give it another try. Thanks for all the help onepagebook.
After ZZF marked my order as PACKED (CAN'T CANCEL) when in fact THEY DIDN'T HAVE STOCK IN THE FIRST PLACE (THEY OUTRIGHT LIED! :dammit: :bs: :frag: :cussing: :shakes: :soap: :cord: :slapass: :grr: :upset: ) They cancelled after I called on the phone and they confessed.
Last time I try ZZF.
Called monarch this evening after and they said they had about 200 (-1 for me :D), should be here next week.
mikee u should have just gotten it from monarch in the first place... hehe. they rock. except when the f'ed me on the rma of my cpu when it blew up for no reason.
Trans am, never owning an msi, i vowed to never own one after seeing all those boards go up in flames. But he we all are clamoring for msi boards. its funny stuff. This board better work and better not blow up or im gonna shove it up the butt of the owner of msi!
monarch computers have the worst customer service . If you want quality and satisfaction go Newegg.
Monarch sucks period. I ordered my athlon fx55 from newegg monday night! and it got shipped the same day in california . Im on the east cost too. Anyway i got my chip today! However monarch screwed me with 2 day from atlanta ga to savannah georgia in 2 day air shipping . I will not be recieving my board until friday now. They suck period. I should open up my own computer buisness and note all computer lables i.e steppings and everything and have good customer service lol.
oh i did fedex saver shipping which was free from newegg.
monarch sucks!
monarch is in Ga, so us Californians save $75 from buying "out of state" on an fx55
C
So is the msi all that? is it the "DFI" for 939? Everytime I see an outstanding oc on 939 it's 9 times out of 10 done on the msi neo2. So I figured it's worth checking out. I have all this tccd, ddr booster, (oczvx on the way) and 2 winnies from 41 ready to go but no board to try them on!!!! You can imagine what I am going through. Patience...patience...Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Im with charlie on this one. Newegg is great, but so is monarch. They generally have good customer service. I was serving as techincal help over on their support forums for a while.
And there is no tax. If i spend 900 dollars over at new egg i get raped on the tax. Its the main reason i dont shop at newegg for the most part. The tax just makes it not worth it. I can wait a few days and save myself 50 bucks.
http://images.dr3vil.com/uploads/microcool.JPG Did anybody ever tried to cool their neo2 chipset with aftermarket hsf like the one above and compared with stock msi hsf? What can nvidia do for revision on their nf3 ultra in 2 months window of mass production neo2? Is it a new core design or just over heating problem?
looks like mine lol
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=19860
I really dont think it will help with the oc. From what I have seen the nb doesnt need more voltage to hit the high htt's, and it isnt limited by cooling. This is mainly due to the fact that the htt is in the cpu and not the nb, and the nb is really not doing as much work as the via board, or any other board for that.
Yeah, but it sure looks cool and uses more power. lol not to mention gets in the way of my 6800gt. seriously, I haven't notice a difference in clocks with the extra chipset volts. I think it's totally just for that reassurance than anything else. Just so I can say, well i didn't hit 2.7 because my chipset was too hot lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
I got this 0420 korea neo2, wonder how it will perform with 55 and tccd? Any idea?
it's going to crap out at 2.3ghz on phase. seriously, you'll never know till you try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
You mean 3.2? :confused: Yup, hopefully it will be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
@Maxxxracer i think your MSI is more like a 40 week... not 44. 0440 is year 2004 (04) week 40
/EDIT heh ...corrected
"0440 is year 2004 (04) week 44" hmmmm ;-)
no thats from april 40th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stinger
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
methinks someones either snapped, and gone insane, or has been drunk for the past 12 hours. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
i second that pikard.
Well from what one page said, its a week 44.
but i suppose it coudl be a week 04 year and 40 week. Not sure. either way its withing a month of eachother and its taiwan. so im good.