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Guess what? Got Epox Ep 9nda3+
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that boards got one of the best layouts I ever seen.
tons of room if you wanna watercool the southbridge too, thats a definate plus. theres tons of room around just about everything, which is great for modding :)
so get some results already.
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was just about to order one, got the msi here(still gotta try), same with abit, used the gigabyte and asus. Nf3 board from a decent manu sounds good to me. I agree that its good for chipset position, how hard was it to realise right under the freaking agp slot(gigabyte) ain't a good place, also, great contant on the chipset for nvidia as per usual :p
Hmm, which chip to try first to play with this MSi board, 3200+ 0.09? or 3600+ , ;)
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what is so good about this mobo ?
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its new? therefore it might be better than all the other :banana::banana::banana::banana: boards, to be fair most are ok, but for me, gigabyte is unstable with ocz booster in, and fairly cack with 1gig mem in, asus is good but 3v ovp on mem, abit(still to test) msi i got as a swap as a favour for friend, they are ok but basically suck at overclocking, yes people love them, cos 99% of people are happy witha smallish overclock, from many boards msi are always worse, and most unstable and most deaths occur with them.
i meant to ask, what stock voltages does teh epox have?
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Originally Posted by TEDY
what is so good about this mobo ?
no one knows yet.
it's new.
everything new is kinda exciting cause it has potential.
at the moment, theres no definate "good" 939 board yet.
theres alot of ok ones but for each one thats ok, theres just as much buggy stuff you gotta deal with.
people seem to watch the 939 boards alot, just waiting for one definate good one to show up.
epox tends to make good solid boards.
atleast, better then MSI and alot cheaper then gigabyte :D
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Will someone please post the all important vcore and vdim max in bios and if the board shows working agp/pci locks??
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will post some simple test few hours later:)
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The board doesnt like 1t according to other users can you test if it runs ok at 1t even if you dont like me can you do this for the other xtreme members ;-)
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Damn how did ya get one so fast! hehe. I ordered one earlier from the egg.. Let me know how she fairs!
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Can you let me know bios options for vcore and vdimm :)
thanks
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Originally Posted by JNav89GT
Can you let me know bios options for vcore and vdimm :)
thanks
Please. Same.
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from what i heard, this board is just down flat sux... and i ain't kidding ya....
some one will tell ya about it.... soon...
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if it's like the last few Epox boards it should be...
1.7 Vcore.
2.9 Vdimm.
1.85 Vapg.
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FSB to 400.
AGP to 99.
multipliers available-yes.
Vcore 1.7.
Vdimm to 2.8
Vagpe to 1.8
chipset to 1.75.
just a hair faster at 2001se then the A8V and AV8.
middle of the line by just a hair at 2003.
fastest at quake 3 and sisoft.
fastest for aquamark3.
with the FX53 it allowed to do 8x285.
results from OCWorkbench.
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/epox/9nda3+/g1.htm
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wtf is with all these :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: companies and there crap vdimm/vcore options. They build boards primarily for us lot most of these companies. The nf7-s, the epox's, they don't (afaik/can see) get sold in huge quantities to OEM's in the same way asus, msi, gigabyte do. A majority of the small companies must sell a decent amount of boards to enthusiasts, so why aren't they providing for the enthusiast? on ANY enthusiast board you should without even a question, without hesitation, without needing to check before you buy, expect 3.2vdimm(2.4/5 seems about right for ddr2 boards). ath xp, 2.2v working stable, ath 64, 1.9 min, 2.2 really, 478 p4, 1.8/9v , 775 prescott/not sure tbh, 1.7? To me i'm just angry when a board doesn't have those options. Especially when its Epox/Abit/Dfi who claim to be such enthusiast-overclocking board makers.
Msi are just crap, 2.3vcore on their canterwood gave me 1.85v, 3.4vdimm was hitting around 3.05. Corecell-crap, uguru-crap, anything but clockgen is just a waste of money to us and waste of money to the company making these programs, especially as they work so badly in most of the boards they supposedly work on.
AS i said in another thread, none of my local mates are into computers, i can't solder for my life(shakey as heck hands), so 1.7v vcore just ruled me out of this board completely.
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thx kevin! :toast:
the box looks beautifull! :D epox has the best box designs from all manufacturers!!!! :D
im kinda disapointed of epox though :( i would have expected a 4phase power design from them :/ is there a board with a 4 phase power design btw?
the stock chipset heatsink looks horrable though! looks like they had some spare heatsinks from low end videocards they are selling now :lol:
but yeah, a lot of room for cooling the chipset without touching the other parts of the board and the videocard :up:
i hope they have some nice voltages :D hoping for at least 3v vdimm :hehe:
EDIT: :doh: only 2.8v vdimm? :( whats up with that? why are all the manufacturers so timid when it comes to vdimm?
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Anyone wana verify that the VDIMM is the same as the 8KDA3+? If thats the same how about the vcore mod?
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Originally Posted by Kunaak
FSB to 400.
AGP to 99.
multipliers available-yes.
Vcore 1.7.
Vdimm to 2.8
Vagpe to 1.8
chipset to 1.75.
just a hair faster at 2001se then the A8V and AV8.
middle of the line by just a hair at 2003.
fastest at quake 3 and sisoft.
fastest for aquamark3.
with the FX53 it allowed to do 8x285.
results from OCWorkbench.
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/epox/9nda3+/g1.htm
Why oh why can't anyone make a 939 board with reasonable volatge choices. :mad: Seriously, I am really getting pretty disgusted about this state of affairs as I see others are as well. Come on DFI, hurry it up!!!
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Vdimm isn't impressive at all. Vcore isn't really, either. Does the OCZ Booster work with this board?
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epox wins again on box design. 8rda+ was like WHOA.
epox has always had good voltages, so this (3phase, right?) shouldnt be too bad.
how many phases was the old 8rda+? wasnt it 6 phase?!
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well at least they've stopped using those crappy green caps. :)
now maybe a good bios and all will be well.
dig the wat the cpu is so close to the dimms - might be why it is a hair faster some of the time. also the nf3 heatsink looks like it does the job better than most other mobo's.
good luck with it and please give it hell for us :D
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Welp crap.. i need to know if the DIMM/Vcore mod is doable on this thing before tomorrow(Thurday). As of right now, its lookin like i may just do a return to sender on this since newegg wont allow for returns on this board.
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knowing epox it might need trace cuts... at least the vdimm mod...
what voltages will the dfi have?
3v vdimm 1.95v vcore?
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hopefully this will be a good nf3 alternative to the giga
waiting for results 1pgbook
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Eclypse, I'm pretty sure ordering something then refusing it without reason is considered mail fraud.
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Originally Posted by Lithan
Eclypse, I'm pretty sure ordering something then refusing it without reason is considered mail fraud.
Thats not true :rolleyes:
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still no benchmark? the board giving you trouble?
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I will suggest NOT to buy this board..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I will suggest NOT to buy this board..
oh noes
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I will suggest NOT to buy this board..
Share with us.
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Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I will suggest NOT to buy this board..
LOL nice onepagebook
:bsod:
Well the chipset Heatsink looked good, Except for the no contact on the chip.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Spork
how many phases was the old 8rda+? wasnt it 6 phase?!
No the 8RDA+ was 3-phase, but with six large mosfets. There were no 4-phase AMD boards.
I just picked up a used NF7-S, Rev. 2.0 here in Japan. Lucked out as it is one of the early Cr18D chipset boards, all black IDE/floppy ports. These boards overvolt big time: 2.8 BIOS is 2.96 VDIMM; 2.9 is 3.07! VCORE goes to 2.2 I believe, and overvolts by 0.03.
Ah, those were the good ole days.
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Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I will suggest NOT to buy this board..
you're making everyone curious as to why we shouldn't buy it
;)
how much does it cost btw?
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Originally Posted by Clevor
No the 8RDA+ was 3-phase, but with six large mosfets. There were no 4-phase AMD boards.
I just picked up a used NF7-S, Rev. 2.0 here in Japan. Lucked out as it is one of the early Cr18D chipset boards, all black IDE/floppy ports. These boards overvolt big time: 2.8 BIOS is 2.96 VDIMM; 2.9 is 3.07! VCORE goes to 2.2 I believe, and overvolts by 0.03.
Ah, those were the good ole days.
gigabyte has a 6 power phase design nforce2 board ;)
but your right, there is no 4 phase amd board. its possible to add a 4th phase to the abit nf7-s though, ive seen a guy who built a 4th phase himself :D
but then again, do you realy need a 4phase design? a good 2 phase design can be just as good as a 4phase design... best proof is the a7n8x. i could get 2.2v vcore totally stable on that board and it only has a 2 phase power design...
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Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I will suggest NOT to buy this board..
Was the last thing he said suggestive?.... :p:
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Thank god newegg is cool and allowed me to return the board so i can accept the package today.. I also ordered a mouse..
It helps havin your wife call and act stupid on the phone.. usually works hehe.
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I'm pretty sure the vreg sux, and makes clocking cpu not good.
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wonder which board he used with the 90nm 3500+ at 3gig and 1.488vcore
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Originally Posted by ArcTan
wonder which board he used with the 90nm 3500+ at 3gig and 1.488vcore
Bios looks like the MSI
Errrr....so what's going on with the epox?
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Second page and still nothing along the lines of results or anything of the sort! :confused: I want my 5 minutes back.
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Originally Posted by texuspete2k2
Second page and still nothing along the lines of results or anything of the sort! :confused: I want my 5 minutes back.
~D:
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It probably commited suicide so he couldn't give any results and recommended other people dont buy the kamikaze board heh
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well peeps, still waiting for story! :D :D
Onepagebook, come on dude, i'm prety sure that you had some worse moments than this! :D can you give us a clue or something?! ;)
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come on Onepagebook, i can't believe that it's too hard to tell us why not to get this MoBo?! :(
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Nah...Since someone call me stupid, so I 'd better just shutup not to cause any trouble here.;)
I do my best, you guys do your best to figure it out:D
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so the board sucks or what?
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I think what it is, is that he couldnt get his cooling on the board cause of the way the socket is placed different then the socket of the MSI board..
I really would love to know if this board is good or not cause i have to return it on Tuesday.. I have no 939 cpu at the moment to test it out.
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Originally Posted by saaya
thx kevin! :toast:
the box looks beautifull! :D epox has the best box designs from all manufacturers!!!! :D
im kinda disapointed of epox though :( i would have expected a 4phase power design from them :/ is there a board with a 4 phase power design btw?
the stock chipset heatsink looks horrable though! looks like they had some spare heatsinks from low end videocards they are selling now :lol:
but yeah, a lot of room for cooling the chipset without touching the other parts of the board and the videocard :up:
i hope they have some nice voltages :D hoping for at least 3v vdimm :hehe:
EDIT: :doh: only 2.8v vdimm? :( whats up with that? why are all the manufacturers so timid when it comes to vdimm?
What does 4 phase do exactly?
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Originally Posted by Zebo
What does 4 phase do exactly?
more stable power consumption from psu -> motherboard, meaning better overclock potential and less voltage fluctuation (in theory).
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Well this is my first 64bit so I am a newbie.With that being said I have a 3200+ , 2 sticks of bh5 512 watercooled chipset also{sata 1 blocked by DD chipset block custom ground itto clear sata, and cap on opp side :D }.I have the fsb at 240x10 . Tried 250 wouldn't go into windows stock volts on cpu.The ram is at 2.8v 2-5-2-2 .hypertransport at 5 . I just really don't know where to tweak from here besides juice :stick: .The mem settings suck ass as far as I can tell. :rolleyes:
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Your HTT x5 is way too high!
Try it at 4 then 3.. 3 is for 270-300+ FSB.
The hyper Transport is only 1000Mhz max.. so try staying under that when overclocking. 250x5=1250... heh i wonder why its sucking.
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well it's coming up SLOW But thanks to Eclypse I am getting somewhere up to 250 x10 . Cas down to 2.5 ht at 4 1.55v on cpu .I wish I had more time for this one box but it's my anniversary and the wife wants her DK8N { Don't ask} :stick: F-ing board is MASSIVE won't fit antec soho server . So I need to find a good case for it today. Will try for more this afternoon. Thanks :toast:
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One other thing. I try to load windows 64 and get a stop error blue screen midway through the load. cannot get past any ideas?
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havnt tried win64, but if your have'n issues.
1.) dont use dimm 1&2, use 3&4. 1t does NOT work in 1&2 even at ddr400 for me.
2.) dont leave memory settings on auto, set them specificly even if your setting spd.
3.) if you need lower than 1.6vcore(if your board overvolts like mine) for a 90nm chip get clockgen(it works fine)
4.) if you need a multi lower than 8x, see 3 and get clockgen.
5.) i wouldnt trust the temp readings LOL, cpu temp reads a full 5c lower than my asus reads and i figure it was about right(at least close enough to look at). system readings i dunno about, seem high at 28c compared to my asus at 20c.
Ive run 257HTT at x5 ldt and passed 3dmark01se.
Boards been rock stable for me, passed superpi4mill at 300HTT and superpi 1mill at 325(didnt try 4million). For some reason when i get above 2.6ghz it will crash in 3dmark, where it was at least bench stable at 2.7 in my asus. I did notice once when set to 1.65 vcore(reads .05 overvolted in bios to 1.72) that i was only gett'n 2.7vdimm when at 2.8v. Ive so far been unable to reproduce that in bios but it could be whats cause'n me to crash above 2.6ghz under load(PS rails are well overvolted).
You can see everything ive done to date here.
If there's anything someone wants me to try, lemme know and i'll try to get to it.
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Originally Posted by saaya
gigabyte has a 6 power phase design nforce2 board ;)
but your right, there is no 4 phase amd board. its possible to add a 4th phase to the abit nf7-s though, ive seen a guy who built a 4th phase himself :D
but then again, do you realy need a 4phase design? a good 2 phase design can be just as good as a 4phase design... best proof is the a7n8x. i could get 2.2v vcore totally stable on that board and it only has a 2 phase power design...
Saw a Chaintech NF3 board over the weekend here in Japan. It's 4-phase. They even advertise it on the box. Pretty expensive though: around $200 U.S.
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I don't recall anyone in this topic calling you stupid.
You started this topic and said you would post results.
Until now, nobody has seen any results.
One of your very few replies was that you'd recommend people not to buy this board.
Mind to share us the reason why?
You've left lots of questions unanswered. Hope you'll find the time to answer them anyway.
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Jupiler--> I called him stupid for something I dont want to bring up again and I have apologies him for that.
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OK.
Thanks for your honesty regarding this. :up:
Must have been in another topic or so. But nevermind, no need to bring it up again.
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why would someone calling him stupid prevent him from telling us about the board
doesnt make sense one bit
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Enough bla bla, let's see some more results/opinions...
I have the S754 board, which is a good one...
It doens't go high on the Vdimm, but I haven't got the memory for that anyways, so 5:6 for me :)
Hoping for this board to be a trustworthy S939 alternative...
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a buddie of mine who also got this board confirmed the vmods.
vcore is Pin 10 on the ISL65569CB to ground
vdimm is Pin 6 on the RT9202 to ground
he's sitting pretty with a 3200 winch. at 265x10 1:1 3-2-2-8@3.0vdimm and 1.72vcore with 3700EB 2x512.
I'll get him to mark up a pic ive got for people and get the vcore trimmer value he used ect for some visual aid. He used a 25k VR for the vdimm mod, actualy just took his mod off his 8kda3j and i believe a 100k VR for the vcore but i'll need to confirm that. my grabbers and trimmers will be here wed. woot gonna be fun!
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Originally Posted by Mongoose420
a buddie of mine who also got this board confirmed the vmods.
vcore is Pin 10 on the ISL65569CB to ground
vdimm is Pin 6 on the RT9202 to ground
he's sitting pretty with a 3200 winch. at 265x10 1:1 3-2-2-8@3.0vdimm and 1.72vcore with 3700EB 2x512.
I'll get him to mark up a pic ive got for people and get the vcore trimmer value he used ect for some visual aid. He used a 25k VR for the vdimm mod, actualy just took his mod off his 8kda3j and i believe a 100k VR for the vcore but i'll need to confirm that. my grabbers and trimmers will be here wed. woot gonna be fun!
have fun :toast:
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Ah figures since i've already sent my untouched board back cause onepagebook said "I would'nt advise anyone to buy this board".. Guess i should of never take anyones advise if there not going to give any details as to why.
Thats my board! Gota buy that again.
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http://img97.exs.cx/img97/6264/Epox.th.jpg
there's the pic but PLEASE wait till i confirm the VR values.
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Hi, guys, I do apologize for the delay about this matter.
I have been very busy and working really hard with Epox RD
regarding all this matter.(I will have newest BIOS post later)
(If some of you guys read Chinese, I can post all the emails and link
between I and Epox rd supervisor)
ok, the problems about the board I got initially were as followed:
1.The Vcore options are started from 1.55v without any "CPU default " option.
So can someone please tell me which k8 cpu got default voltage as 1.55v?lol
Also, I even check with voltage monitor under BIOS, when I set 1.55v, actually it's
almost 1.6v.
**problem still there no matter I got newest beta bios(10/7), they change the way it was to like +0.05v~0.2v
Still no cpu default Volt.
2. Raid 0 problem with WD740GD, no matter I plug them into Sata 1,2 or 3,4
(Please note: Sata 1,2 are from NF3, 3,4 are from Marvell.)
the raid 0 always can't work properly even end up with HD automatically shut down.
3.my FX53 is rock solid 2.9g under MSI k8n neo2 for only 1.53v~1.55v
but you know what? I can 't even reach 2.6g with 1.65v under Epox 9nda3+
4. When I burn DVD, no matter which bruning prog I use, always fail..
So...that 's why I feel so depressed about this.
Again, I am really sorry about that!
here is the Epox 9nda3+ lastest bios I upload to my personal space. if you guys want to try,
you can grab it here:I believe no one has that yet.
http://www.e04hardware.com/md34a07.bin
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Wow thanks for that OPB.. Finally get some answers on that board. Sounds wierd man. Almost like its just a bum board.. maybe just a mem conflict.
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odd, but i havnt tried to burn a CD or run sata drives. it is silly that vcore starts at 1.55 and mine overvolts also to 1.6 according to bios, but reads spot on if you go by USDM. hopefully i'll have some respectfull numbers after the vdimm/vcore mod. at current im stuck at 240x11 1:1 3-2-2-10 or 257x10 3-3-2-10, i think this board has a big vreg bug maby. and i know why they changed the bios to +.05~+.2 is because thats how it works aparently lmao, my buddie with the winchester didnt have more than 1.61 with his board with a 1.4v chip but he's got it working i think and it should get faster in a couple a days.
I'll give that bios a shot, see what it does if anything.
OPB, your not that far from me relativly speaking. About a 4 hour drive as im just on the other side of the Pa/ohio border. if i get some time off working these psycotic hours in the next couple a weeks might be able to take a drive out there with the vmodded epos.
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Thank you Mongoose! I appreciate that!:D
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np, we'll see how the work schedule goes and if i get a break i'll shoot ya a pm see if we can get something worked out. I want to try some of that ddr320 memory anyway :stick: :D since this board will run that htt at the very least stable enough for 3dmark/superpi ect. its virtualy 100% at 300htt.
I honestly dont think they changed anything of any importance with that beta bios. still stuck at 240x11 1:1. i still get the .05vcore jump under load and still get the .1vdimm undervolt with fastest set in bios. Anyone that wants to try it tho forget the magic bios POS, just go into the epox/magicbios folder and run winflash after you download the bios.
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Mongoose THX Got 64 to load :-) Cannot get sound to work though :( Anyone know of a driver for the Realtek 850 that will work with 64? At least 64 does not have that Damn Teletubbie Background to start Otherwise same plain Jane xp. :stick:
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check out http://www.planetamd64.com/
i took a quick look for ya but didnt see them, i know there in there somewhere as its the same sound as on my a8v and i was running amd64 for a few days so they do exist for the alc850
Also dont try the ddr booster with this board.
