MSI K8N NEO Plat Vdimm & Vdd Mods

A thread about the Vdimm mod for this board is already underway, but I thought posting both mods on a new thread would make things easier for members to get the info they needed without having to read the entire thread.

The original thread can be found here.

Now, the Vdimm mod can be done 1 of 2 ways. You can do the Vdimm = 3.3v Rail Mod, or you can do the method that allows adjustment via a VR.

One odd note to make is that with the VR, the highest I could achieve was 2.936v. Keep in mind that I worked on this board without a cpu to test with. The stock Vdimm was 2.5v, so we are almost a solid 0.5v above stock without the ability to check other settings to see how the Vdimm responds. Once someone does this mod that has the ability to change the bios settings, we will know more. I dont know what the max Vdimm setting is in the bios, but I am wagering that this mod allows well over 3v once the cpu and ram are in the loop and bios settings are available.

On to the pics:

Vdimm = 3.3v Rail Mod

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods..._3.3=Vdimm.jpg


The preferred method, IMHO, allows the user to adjust the Vdimm to their preferrence. This involves cutting a trace on the back of the board and adding a resistance in this location to force the W83304D to supply more juice to our dimms.

The following pic provides an overview of whats going on on the back of the board. The "may" be a way to do this on the front of the board, but I have to move onto other things, and pretty sure there is not a place on front to do this mod.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods...mm_Trace_2.jpg


Here are my wires quickly soldered in place for this pic:


http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods...mMod_Wires.jpg


This next pic simply shows where I mounted the VR and the voltage reading points for Vdimm and Vtt. Note that Vtt track properly well past 3v as I tested it with the Vdimm = 3.3v Rail Mod and at a Vdimm of 3.35v, the Vtt was perfectly 1/2 of Vdimm.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods...O_VdimmMod.jpg


Now, here is the Vdd Mod as well:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods/K8N_NEO_VddMod.jpg

Cheers :toast:

Another important note is that the Vdd FET will have increased voltage on both of its legs running into the pcb. I would recommend adding a sink to it just to be safe.

Basically, the actual leg reading Vdd is 1/2 of the voltage of the top leg in the above pic. So, when approaching a Vdd over 1.8v or more, the top leg is reaching almost 4v.

I also recommend adding active cooling the NB if you plan on more than 1.85v Vdd. Or atleast securing the sink with thermal epoxy so better contact is made.

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(If anyone has 2-Pin or 3-Pin fans that they can do without? I am in need. The fan doesnt have to work or even be useful at all. Basically I want the plugs.)

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I have plenty of these 2pin 3pin I will be sending. I also have a friend that is suppost to be able to get any fan cheap(works in apliance repair) he say he will get me 3 or 4 dozen of asorted fans for tuning his car, shouldnt be no prob to thro some your way if you need some fans to. I see your need in the connectors I also have a few dead power supplies you can salvage.

Keep you some good pics of the board & when I get a CPU in it I will try to figure the LDT voltage mod(with your advice of course.

I figured it was eating a lot of time & you need to get on with things.

I finally got some bills payed today which will let me order some boards, if this one want do its thing now will just give MSI the boot.

The board in your AV is it a Infinity, do you run the DFIs.

Hey man.

Naw, thats the trusty ole NF7 doing 245 fsb.

I would apprec any connectors you can send my way.

I am almost positive that the Vdimm mod is correct, and the Vdd is certainly working properly. ;)

hm what are those blue connector thingys u used


also, if anyone has those 3 pin plugs with wires already stuck in em ill pay shipping for you to ship em to me, pleeeeease

The blue connectors are what I stick my multimeter plug into to check the voltages. Keeps me from causing a short circuit.

Hum , no stability. I figured we would here from you after the testing yesterday

Cutting a trace for vdimm? That mod is entirely too hard.

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Originally posted by bh2k
Cutting a trace for vdimm? That mod is entirely too hard.

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If you have a better mod for it tell us.:stick:

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Originally posted by bh2k
Cutting a trace for vdimm? That mod is entirely too hard.

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There is a resistor in the Vdimm loop, but I couldnt register a change in Vdimm when working with it.

I am going to take another quick look at it before shipping back to the owner.

The question is how did it do when you tested it at the local shop.

yep good question ;)

Kind of a newbie on this. Would this mod work on a K8N Neo2 Platinum?

The mod is not for sure yet, wait till it gets tested or if you wish test it your self.

Bump

Hell whats the word.

Guys, I have been pretty sick the last few days. I wont get into specifics, but it wasnt pretty.

Doc was confused as to what it may have been, but after telling him that I spent a ton of time soldering, he sid it was most likely solder and flux fumes.

I didnt have time, nor did I feel like, testing as I would have had to gone to a computer shop to do so since I dont have the cpu needed for this.

I am shipping out tomorrow back to Jess and he will post his findings I am sure. ;)

Those fumes are bad for ya.. I have a small fan I use to create a negative air pressure opposite my head which pulls the air in that direction enough to keep it out of my face and not cool my iron or bug me...

12v fan, 120v fan.. whatever you can find that will work is a good idea!

Take care Dud,

I have more & more of the 3 pin connectors gathering here,still digin. I will cut the harnesses off the died PSU(there older ones).
When it gwts here I will throw them in the box you shiped me & send it back with all the connectors. Dont forget the return address or PM it back to me. I clear my mail out regulor so probably dont have the address still.

I will post results back for everybody as soon as I get it back.

hell fire i cant understand the 3.3rail mod....

Should i simply connect those 2 points on the pic with a piece of wire???

If i do what voltages will i get max???

thanx

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Originally posted by JAMES
hell fire i cant understand the 3.3rail mod....

Should i simply connect those 2 points on the pic with a piece of wire???

If i do what voltages will i get max???

thanx

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Yes, connecting a wire between those 2 spots will make the Vdimm equal to whatever the 3.3v power rail is running. I would keep the wire as short as possible.

The max voltage will depend on your power supplies 3.3v rail.

have you had a chance to verify that the 3.3 vdimm mod dont kill the mem controller yet as i seen that to be a similar factor in most of the deaths.

I have beeen running 3.45 for a long time, I have seen others run more with no probs.

Ok thanx for the reply....

So what i can understand is just get any wire.... will the wire from the IDE cables do??? and connect the 2 spots and wola! the mod is done....

Now dont u think 3.3 for a start is toomuch for the ram???

I have had my corsair pc3500 BH-5 running @ 3.28v 24/7 but more i am a bit hastly.....

So what if i want the ram only to run @ say 3.28v? will i have to lower my 3.3vrail to 3.28v???

No, a wire from an IDE cable is not nearly thick enough...

Yes, you will have to lower your +3.3 rail to lower your ram voltage. Your ram voltage will be equal to whatever your +3.3 rail is set to.

Always use a DMM to measure!!

Thx for the help STE.

I agree. A wire from an IDE cable will not be able to handle the amount of current thrown by the the 3.3v power rail.

I would use atleast a 20 gauge wire for this mod.

Will using more then 20gauge matter???

I would use something around the same thickness as the actual wires running down the ATX Connector bundle bud.

You can add a VR to that wire to lower the voltage if you so desire to do so.

So using the a wire from the psu will do???

Ok if i had to use a VR between them what VR should i use???

thanx soo much

A very small ohm VR.. and at least 3 - 5watts.. You don't need much ohm, somewhere around .5ohms....

It is kind of hard to find a small vr like this.... You are best to just either use 3.3v or 2.85v... If you are using bh5 memory it will handle this no problem... I have been using 3.35v with no problems with A64 mem controller... I think that most all A64 were killed by the Shuttle AN50R:D

Dont bother with a VR unless you can get one in the 25w range..

Ok thanx for the help guys.... i will do as u say... i will not use a VR as u say the bh-5 can handle more then 3.3v....

Btw should i remove the HS off the ram and place a fan on it or just the fan with the HS will do???

Ok so here i ask finally before doing the mod...can i use any of the PSU wire???{I got a no working psu from which i can take some}

I also got 40gauge wire.... can i use that instead.....

pls let me know... thanx ... cant wait... i have already broken 25k on a 6800GT with ony 2300mhz with 230fsb 2.5-4-10-4.... so i can a lot more when i am finished with the mods.....

Thanx

The RAM temps whould vary much.

And any of the wires on the PSU ATX connector unless its a sense wire(smaller then other...)...

Yay!Did the vdimm mod yesterday along with the x800 pro Vgpu mod, both my first ever vmods.:toast:
Now not having much space to power the mobo up outside of the case I put it back in and my case has watercooling tubing all over the place so its hard to probe with a multimeter at the Vdimm testing point.

So my question is how can I find out the actual vdimm Ive got now using hardware monitoring software?

Using Aida32 Vbat battery is reading 2.74V regardless of the BIOS setting. Is this my Vdimm?
There is also a CPU Aux Voltage of 3.14V. Could that be the vdimm?


Sorry for the n00bish questions.:confused:

bah come one some1!!!!:confused:

Okay to the right of your dimm slots there is a blank cap space there, you can measure the vdimm on the (+) side.....Just put your neg probe in an empty P.S. connectory.... As far as software reading vdimm, it won't read the correct vdimm if modded...

James, I would only use the big wires on the powersupply...:D

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Originally posted by Jasonxxx
Okay to the right of your dimm slots there is a blank cap space there, you can measure the vdimm on the (+) side.....Just put your neg probe in an empty P.S. connectory.... As far as software reading vdimm, it won't read the correct vdimm if modded...

James, I would only use the big wires on the powersupply...:D

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Cheers. 3.39V is what Im getting. The RAM is very hot to touch, do you guys reckon a fan blowing on them is required?
They are BH-5 with heatspreaders.

I would put a fan blowing on them just for safety.

Also, solder a wire to the Vdimm red point of the "+" side of that empty cap solder pad Jason is referring to so you can easily check the Vdimm.

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Originally posted by Hell-Fire
I would put a fan blowing on them just for safety.

Also, solder a wire to the Vdimm red point of the "+" side of that empty cap solder pad Jason is referring to so you can easily check the Vdimm.

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cheers, got a zalman bracket on its way.:)

can you tell me of any advantages of vmodding the Vdd?
I mean it doesnt allow more stable higher HTTs with 2 DIMMS does it?

thats the problem with this mobo.put one DIMM in and you can set the HTT as high as the mem will go or even higher with 5:6 etc but as soon as you put 2 DIMMS in it wont boot above 236ish HTT.

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Originally posted by pumbertot
can you tell me of any advantages of vmodding the Vdd?
I mean it doesnt allow more stable higher HTTs with 2 DIMMS does it?

thats the problem with this mobo.put one DIMM in and you can set the HTT as high as the mem will go or even higher with 5:6 etc but as soon as you put 2 DIMMS in it wont boot above 236ish HTT.

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Try setting your LDT multiplier to 3X, And then put your two sticks of mem in slot 1 & 3 or 2 & 3.

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Originally posted by jess1313
Try setting your LDT multiplier to 3X, And then put your two sticks of mem in slot 1 & 3 or 2 & 3.

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cheers, I will try it.does lowering the LDT to 3x not decrease the performance though?

Not that much, get stability first.

This board for some reason likes 3x. I coulnt get it to run higher when I had it.

jess1313,

how did your neo plat pan out?

The vdd mod didnt' help me any... I maxed out at 250ish range for 24/7 stability... I was hoping for more, but w/ 2 X 512mb it's pretty much up to the A64's memory controller....w/ 2 X 256mb I could run the memory faster..


RIP two times?

I have no idea, I never got my board back.

It was posted that it was going to be shipped out over a week ago but its not here nor have I got any word about it.

Yes it will take LDT & chipset mods to get it to go. If you can get 250 stable then you should hit it with some BH5/6. If the board want perform on that then its a waste off time anyway.

Anyone know where the LDT voltage is located?

Ah I just walked in the door, the board had arrived today. Give me about a hours hear I will tell you where the LDT voltage is & get some results going & see if we can get this board working the way it should.

Well I really dont know what to say. The board want even come close to posting.

I have tried about all, I am doing a hotflash right now but it looks like a last shot.

Well I guess I dont know about the mods, if they work or not.

It was a new board.

I got the board back DOA ,

so maybe the mods work, maybe they dont.

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Originally posted by jess1313
Well I guess I dont know about the mods, if they work or not.

It was a new board.

I got the board back DOA ,

so maybe the mods work, maybe they dont.

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the vdimm mod certainly works, got an extra 8MHz outa my BH-5 on tightest timings. but its the HTT letting me down, cant get stable with anything over 235-238ish no matter what the mem ratio or LDT are set to. Maybe the Vdd mod will help but im thinking probably not!:(

think its time to change mobos for me, I want to overclock!

I cant say for shure if the VDD mod works or not. After hell modded the board it dont work no more. While it has power to it when it is trying to post I tried to test the voltages & see if the mods where even working. The VDD dont ajust at all( if this is the VDD that was modded) The Vdimm goes up to 2.9. It might go higher if it would post and I set the Vdimm higher in bios, but it does ajust anyway.

But it dont matter to much if the mobo want even post, with it this way I cant tell you if the vdd mod works or not.

Sorry, hope you can figure it out. It cost me a new mobo to try to help get it figured for all.

Thats why I dont like working on boards that I dont have cpus for guys.

I can tell from Jess's posts and attitude that he is a straight up guy, atleast I think so, but I had no way of even posting this board when I first go it.

Generally when I get components the first thing I do is post them to make sure I was not sent a dead component. Without a cpu, thats impossible to do.

One off thing I noted Jess is that when I plugged my psu into the slot and flipped the psu's power switch, the board fires right up without having to bridge the jumper on the board...?? :confused: That has never happened to me with other boards.

It did this right out of the box and obviously also after the mods.

These were simple mods, so not likely the mods killed the board. Maybe ESD or something on the board causing a short?? Take a very close look at it to see if there is foreign material on it.

Well good news bad news, My flipin CPU is toast. Its a brand new CPU & was tested burted in & clocked to find results & then put back in the box.

I would have never believed that this one had died, it was one of the best I had & I was saving it. The only other one I have is a big pain to get out of the rig its in but I finily come down to it being to only posability, i had to try. So I took the rig apart and got the CPU & bingo the board fired up.

Not so good for my CPU tho it wouldnt work in my other rig either.

Well I can get a RMA on it so I'm good there.


Anyway, to the MSI. Shew I just new it was over but its what I am typing on right now. I got it fired up about 4:00 this morning.

If this all sounds crazy I am tring to hold my eyes open from this all night work & just woak up setting here with the keyboard in my lap.

Its doing good, I cant get anything out of the mods but with it running I should be able to get something going.

Vdimm only goes to 2.91v no matter what I set bios to.


Vdd doesnt do anything no matter which way I turn it. I unplug the connector & nothing changes.
I checked the VR & it seems to be open, all wires are connected but no OMS. I will try a new VR Tonight.

I got the same results as before as far as HTT/FSB.

I can do the 3.3v line to my ram, but kinda wanted to go higher, maybe we can figure it from here, seeings its working.

VDD is at 1.62v & no changing, I believe the VR is just open.

Anyway I cant stand anymore right now, I have got to go to bed.

I will dig into it tonight & try to get the VDD working & see if it helps the OC, I know 1.62 is not enough for these thing to go good bus. It takes 1.8/1.9 on all the other boards I have built.

There is all kinza stuff laying around my chair here, it will still be there when I get back up to.:toast: I will get back tonight.

P.S Hell I dont know why all these new boards do that, fire up when you plug the PSU in. But I have seen many of these a64 boards act like that. Anyway the board lives.

EDIT: replaced the VR for Vdd, and still get nothing on vdd, am soon to do 3.3v to vdimm mod....

After doinf the 3.3V to VDIMM line my Vdimm(reading from the empty cap) is steady at 3.39V regardless of BIOS. I get 8-9MHz more outa my mushkin level2 on 2-2-2-5 timings so in my eyes that is a successful mod.

OK, I am back up. The VR on the VDD mod is not open it is good.
But it dont do anything for ajusting the voltage.

The mod is soldiered to pin #6, the lanparty boards use this same IC and with there mod they use pin #2. I will test and come back & edit.


OK the VDD mod is correct, I have up to 2.2v & it will probably go higher.

Hell the little black wire that went into the 3pin connector is what was open. It appears that right where it went in to the connector at the pin itself was separtated. After check OMS & it was still open with new VR I pull on the wire alittle and it pulled loose. I replaced this wire & it took off. (probably because of backprobing)

VDD MOD IS GOOD TO USE. just set VR to 10k & come up slowly.

Although it has not yeilded much better HTT/FSB, I think LDT is needed. I am 250 HTT stable though.

I am going to go to the strait 3.3v in and see what it gets & then start looking for LDT Voltage.

Atleast from there one could run BH5/6 at 250, I am totally stable at 250 HTT with 3x LDT.

Be back after more.

Let us know on the LDT voltage?

I'm didnt' get anything more out of the vdd mod.... so I don't know.... I believe more voltage on the ldt will help some...:D

I am
working on it Jasonxxx, The same IC that the VDD mod is done on (LM358) is a two side regulator if I understand right. The other side may controll LDT. there is also another LM358 near the left side of the AGP slot, i feel this could also be it.....


LDT Voltage 1.2 - 1.3 - 1.4 - 1.5 is normally the ajustments in bios.

I havent fould this kinda voltage anywhere yet.

Does anyone know of a LDT mod on any other board. I am just fine doing mods that are allready figured but have never tried to figure them. If I seen how one was on a nother board it whould help.

The VDD did help me get stability, I am running 2.0v right now.

If I want to do the 3.3v=vdimm do I have to undo the adjustable mod that hell has already done on the board?

I would as you won't need it and it might cause a problem....

Keep us posted....:D

I hope Hell-Fires time(thank You Hell) and this board has helped some that have it.

I never could get the LDTv worked out but the other mods work good.

The ajustable Vdimm mod is not worth doing, it would only yield 2.9v & bios offers 2.85vdimm.


The strait in 3.3v will work & get you BH series ram going & the chipset mod works perfectly.


I will not be putting anymore time in the board, frankly it just doesnt perform that good.

Good Luck Jess1313

Man....what a pain in the arse this turned out to be huh.

Atleast the board is not DOA..that had me worried.

Odd about the Vdimm. As irritating as this will sound, will you consider removing the ddr and the cpu, then fire it up and try adjusting the Vdimm. I got above 3v easily when working with the VR here.

On the Vldt mod idea....do me a favor, see if you get a voltage reading off of pin #25 on that chip that I removed the CoreCell sink from....or did I cover that with a sink??

Pin #25 is the Vldt Sense Pin.

Tell the truth I wish the board had been what was dead. I found out I dont have warranty on the chip, I didnt even get to use it much. I guess I will buy BOX CPU from now on.

I will check Vdimm with no hardware to see if it comes up.

Pin#25 LDT sense I will check. I I will just have to wait a night or so I have racked my brain on this thing till I got aggitated, need a brake.

If we could get the LDT v going I believe its the key, I have to run it at max on all boards that have ajustment to get stable.

Its like the bus between the CPU & Chipset.

I thought the other side of the IC that ajusted the VDD was going to be LDTv but I never could for shure find a read piont to know if it was ajusting.

I need a cheap a64 like a 2700 N/C, its hard to try with a $300.00
CPU when you done lost two.

I will never understand my DTR, it was a sweat one & was dead when I pulled it back out.

It goes like this sometimes, if the board dont perform with the rest of the mods I will use it for a tester.

Anyway thanks Hell, tuesday night I will fire it back up and test these things. If the board had been dead it wouldnt of mattered,you only had so much to work with. I would have hated to go threw this blind like you did.

I dont own an A64 rig, so can Vldt be read without a cpu mounted??

If so we can atleast avoid killing another cpu during testing.

The other side of the Vdd IC could certainly be for Vldt, but I would expect a connection between it and the other control chip as the W83304D IC has built in regulation for Vldt. This is sometimes the case...some boards have an IC that has built in Vtt regulation, but the same board will also have a seperate IC responsible for Vtt as well.

Hey dudes, what else uses the 3.3V instead of Ram? Is there any problem running the 3.3 rail at just 3.2V?

just a quick question

Should i set Vdimm to 2.85V or auto or whatever after i modded the Vdimm with 3.3V directly??

I mean i want to get a real 3.3V Vdimm and what should i set in Bios setup??

Thx

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just a quick question

Should i set Vdimm to 2.85V or auto or whatever after i modded the Vdimm with 3.3V directly??

I mean i want to get a real 3.3V Vdimm and what should i set in Bios setup??

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you get 3.3V regardless of BIOS as its connected directly to the rail.
i had a strong rail so got 3.39V great for bh-5.

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Originally Posted by pumbertot

you get 3.3V regardless of BIOS as its connected directly to the rail.
i had a strong rail so got 3.39V great for bh-5.

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Thanks so much :toast:

whoa ,looks like u are the go to man for guys who want to contract out their mods...ill bet youve got these mods down so that they go real fast..i like doing my own mods, but boy they take a long time for me..

Hey guys I've got 2 questions before starting mod my board. VDD Mod, you should lower resistance to increse voltage right?

Is it possible to made the 3.3V direct mod and use a 100ohms pot 1/2W between the connection to ajust voltage?

or eighther wattage and resistence is wrong?

What amperage yo've got into the 3.3V point, so I can calculate a fixed resistor to add, in case of 1/2W not beeing enough.

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Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r

What amperage yo've got into the 3.3V point, so I can calculate a fixed resistor to add, in case of 1/2W not beeing enough.

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check the ampage on the 3.3V rail of the PSU, you will know the max current.
it will be written on the actual PSU.

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Originally Posted by pumbertot

check the ampage on the 3.3V rail of the PSU, you will know the max current.
it will be written on the actual PSU.

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My PSU has 35A P=V*I so then I got 115.5W!? For 3.1V I got 108W

and a resistace about less then 0,1ohm, shi* what's wrong?

Probably if I read current in that point it would be much lower than 35A, cause it has been properly distributed already by the circuit.

Anyway, even if I got 5A there I would need a 16.5W Trimpot, so a 1/2W wont work? Pretty confused...

Any of you guys know where a test point is that I can check AGP voltage with a multimeter????????I think my mobo is undervolting the AGP but want to confirm its value before raising the VAGP.

Hellfire, did you use a glue gun to attach those voltage reading spot?

Looks like it but then again it doesn't heh. I'm going to do this mod tomorrow i think after i get my board from fry's.

Nice and easy mod and great clear pics! Thanks :toast:

Hi

Is the "Vdimm = 3.3v Rail Mod" working on the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, too?
(Socket 939) I hope so, bcs my BH5 want some Voltage! :D

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Originally Posted by PnoT

Hellfire, did you use a glue gun to attach those voltage reading spot?

Looks like it but then again it doesn't heh. I'm going to do this mod tomorrow i think after i get my board from fry's.

Nice and easy mod and great clear pics! Thanks :toast:

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Yes sir. hot glue gun. The connections are soldered down of course.

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Originally Posted by GravdiggA

Hi

Is the "Vdimm = 3.3v Rail Mod" working on the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, too?
(Socket 939) I hope so, bcs my BH5 want some Voltage! :D

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Yes, it is possible. I posted a reply in the other thread about this question.


Jason, I am thinking the the VLdt is controlled via the Winbond chip.

Any Idea on Vcore mod anyone?

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Thanks GravdiggA for the thread link that's exactly what i needed :toast:

Hmm, u have the Neo2 S939 Board, wrong Thread here ;)

Look here : http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41350

Aparently nobody has a Vcore mod for this board:( I did the straight wire Vmemm mod yesterday but still not very good results. Maximum I got out of my BH-5 sticks was 227MHz@3.4v and that was the best Frequency that super pi 1M would run without errors!

Something realy fishy is happening here... here...

With just one stick the maximum it would pass superpi 1M was 214MHz! I took the mod of the board and I'm propably gona sell this POS and get back to Intel Platforms! Life would be much easier that way...

Hi! I`m new here so please try to be nice ;D i would like to make a rail mod on my msi k8n neo fsr but the pics on the first page are missing :/ Could someone post them once more or send me via mail (suicid3@wp.pl) ? Please help ! :) cya guys

Where are the pictures of the Vdimm mod? can someone please post them agan?

Guys where are the pics. If anyone has them somewhere can you please post them?Thanks in advance

Would love to be able to see the pics guys!3.3 vdimm is what i'm searching for