Here it is, and it certainly looks promising. Who has one on order? Is this the socket 939 answer?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...128-254&depa=0
John
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Here it is, and it certainly looks promising. Who has one on order? Is this the socket 939 answer?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...128-254&depa=0
John
228, jeezus. I thought 939 only required 4 layer PCB mobos that are cheaper to make than 940 mobos?
Pffft, $100 cheaper I might consider :) This is getting ridiculous, cheapest 939 CPU is what $500 ? Ouch.
They aren't making it easy for us cheap folks :(
Looks like a solid board though :D Does anyone know if they will release a Pro version thats cheaper ? GA-K8NS Pro-939 ?
heheh u can just overclock a 3400+ 2 the same or even more;) but there are people who dont overclock and will spend there money on it.
Hopefully the price reflects Newegg premium price for early arrival policy, and once availability gets better, the price will follow...
I agree its certainly not cheap, but another way to look at it is that its only $50.00 more than the A8V and that board has issues, the lock dosent work.
John
The clocks work perfectly on A8V, you just have to have a OJ series mobo with 1005.020-.021 BIOS....Quote:
Originally posted by JohnClark
I agree its certainly not cheap, but another way to look at it is that its only $50.00 more than the A8V and that board has issues, the lock dosent work.
John
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At $228, it is still cheaper than monarch computer which is selling it at $255 but it is out of stock now.
Really tempted to get one. What is the quality of Gigabyte nowadays? Anyone has bad experiences with this brand?
I ordered from Monarch when it was still $229. Dont order from them. I had to :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: at them all day to get them to send it. I think they were going to back order me so they could sell what they had at the higher price. I'm sure the price will drop $20 at least in the next few weeks.
Got it yesterday. Its a beautiful board. There does seem to be some type of bios issue as using whole number multis and bh-5. With the whole numbers I can't do spi at much over 200 fsb. With the .5 multi's I have run it at 228 with some hyperX pc3500(bh-5).
The vcore only goes up to 1.7v and mine it undervolts to 1.66v. Vdimm only has option for .2v over stock. I used a divider on the memory and played a little. Ran spi at 290 fsb. Above that it locked, but it could be a memory issue.
I'll mod it in a few days and see how things go.
pkrew>
bios F3 and CH-5 ddr is your friend ;)
I tried the F3 bios, no change with the bh-5. Don't have any ch-5 atm. I'll try the bh-5 after vdimm mod. If its flaky I'll order some ch-5 or some eb. Thanks for the heads up.
ordered. how will it work with 3700EB?
I need a board that will clock nicely with 1-2GB of ram ie 2x512mb or 4x512mb
anyone have any opinions about that or could they test with this board. The whole BH-5 not agreeing with this board and the abit 939 is making me mad.
Charlie your Asus runs fine with your BH-5 right?
could you try 2x512mb for me in the Asus, I might just go for that board despite wanting the NF3 250 :O
Update. I just noticed that for some reason I was booting of the backup bios. Now with bios f3 running at 231 x 12.5 and finishing spi. That's a gain of 90mhz from just the bios change. Before would only run at 2.8G now at 2.88
DAMMM
what cooling??????
and do you have 2x512mb you could test with PLEASE :)
I'm running a LS modified with 150 cfm fans. I don't have any 512 sticks. I wish I could test them for you.
Ok, last update for now. Turn up the fans on the LS and used a higher multi to see if it was memory that limited me. Was able to run spi at 215 x 13.5 or 2.9G. The vcore is more stable and seems to center around 1.68v
I forgot about that dam dual bios thing. I remember it switches back and forth willy nilly. I hated that. any way to disable the dual bios feature? I guess the only way is to load the new bios on both.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Update. I just noticed that for some reason I was booting of the backup bios. Now with bios f3 running at 231 x 12.5 and finishing spi. That's a gain of 90mhz from just the bios change. Before would only run at 2.8G now at 2.88
so 1.7 tops vcore? :(
what's the tops vdim?
any easy vmods?
vcore is the same controller as the K8n-pro and vdimm is the winbond chip also off the k8n pro :)
and for 3.2v+ vdimm oyu can cap mod the gigabyte easy :)
but the gigbayte has that dual power thing and has 2 controller chips Im not 100% sure if they are run in series so one helps comansate from the other..
wow 2.9 at only 1.68v
would be easy 3.0-3.2 with enough volts into it
vmods should be easy as should be nearly identical to K8Npro mods I would imagine. Only problem is limited to about 3.1-3.2 usable volts on memory though and about 1.9-1.95 on the vcore if I remember right.
No, you can vdimm mod straight to the 3.3v rail and get exactly what your 3.3v rail is set at. The K8Npro had voltage protection at 2.1v. I'm sure this one will be the same
hehe this guy has been running 3.4v+ on his 939 gigbayte with 3.3v from PSU to cap mod for weeks onwQuote:
No, you can vdimm mod straight to the 3.3v rail and get exactly what your 3.3v rail is set at. The K8Npro had voltage protection at 2.1v. I'm sure this one will be the same
not vdimm mod "CAP to 3.3v line mod" ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=37417
Hey, thanks for the heads up on the bios. I probably wouldn't have noticed that for a day or two if you wouldn't have said anything. This is one sweet board
pkrew,
so what's your A8V vs. GB opinion??????????
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I like them both charlie. Both are well made and overclock well. I'll have to play with some of the memory settings, but the Asus seems a little faster in spi. I'm pretty sure I got 29s at 2.9G on the Asus. The Gigabyte got 30s, but is probably not a full second behind. My guess is that the Asus will be quicker in 2001se as well, but I'll have to check that out. The main advantage of the gigabyte is the ease of the mods and the higher vdimm that can be reached. The vcore mod on the Asus is also abit risky. It would seem to me that if you got a bad connection or pulled a wire loose your vcore could go very high and fry the cpu. Let me get the mods done of the gigabyte and I'll run some 3d tests this weekend.
:thumbsup:
I would hope that there's some sort of protection circuit for the Vcore......... I was real careful with mine, using a 100 ohm VR set at 20 ohm initially and working my way UP...
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It's nice to see more boards coming our for 939!!
Now cmon....lets see some Xtreme 3d benching for crying out loud :) I'm so anxious to see what they can do with a high clocked pro or XT.
nice finds guys
in s754 the via chipsets were always a bit faster, but they couldnt quite clock as high as nf3, maybe this will be true for s939, altho on s940 the sk8v was king, so i dunno
via was faster becasue of the HT bus speed 800mhz vs. 600mhz ;)
now we have 1ghz vs. 1ghz.
but yeah sk8v+fx53 was/still is deadly
im starting to get excited.....
Just to give an update on this board. I did both the vdimm and vcore mod. I'm not too impressed atm. Took vcore to 2v and best I could get was spi at 2.934. Also the memory seems to clock worse with the vdimm mod. The results could be that the bh-5 having trouble with the higher volts or that you have to mod both vcore chips because of the dps. I'm going to try first removing the vdimm mod and see if that gives me a better oc. If not then later maybe trying to mod both vcore chips. The Asus overvolting to 1.82 gave me spi at 2.95. Charlie, next time you run your board could you run the voltage up a little and see if there's overvoltage protection at 2.1v?
Are you talking about the gigabyte pkrew?[Quote:
Just to give an update on this board. I did both the vdimm and vcore mod. I'm not too impressed atm.
P> did you do the "CAP" ddr mod?
3.3v direct to cap or the vdimm/vdimm mod as in the winbond chip??
that other guy that did the vcore also he gained almost nothing so there must be something thats not going right dual chips maybe like you said
Yes, I'm talking about the gigabyte and yes I did the cap mod. I have my 3.3v rail set at 3.3v. Wish I had some ch-5 atm. Unfortunately the only place to get them here would be Compusa, Best Buy or Circuit City. Anyone know what kingston value ram has ch-5 chips. I've never looked for that chip.
Also I don't have another 50k vr atm. would have to wait until monday. I'll measure the resitance of what I have right now and see if I have anything that'll match it for the other chip
any kingston value ram with winbond chips is ch5, some are remarked as kingston chips, but the two dots make it easy to spot chips.
the kingston part name doesnt say anything about the chips they used. the best would be to go to a hardwarestore and check the memory yourself.
I don't think the Newcastle 939's will ever break 35k on 2k1. The FX-939 will. I know it's early, but I have to say I'm surprised that the best S939 showing so far is this FX-53 939, which is currently #11 (see below).Quote:
Originally posted by k|ngp|n
It's nice to see more boards coming our for 939!!
Now cmon....lets see some Xtreme 3d benching for crying out loud :) I'm so anxious to see what they can do with a high clocked pro or XT.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7915393
The 3800+ and 3500+ have not made the first page and probably won't. Dual channel looks cool in Sandra but it doesn't make up for the cache difference between the ClawHammer S754 and the Newcastle S939 in 2k1 and most apps.
Compare the above FX-53 with my stock 3700+ non-vmod air with much less MHz on the CPU.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7911005
Yes, I have an XT, but my entire system is unmodded and 100% aircooled. These new cards are very limited by CPUs, so his FX-53 much higher clocks, along with his Mach II Prommie should do better I think. The XT doesn't make that big a difference in 2k1. Case in point:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7935263
This is a stock X800 Pro with ghetto clocks on a very fast stock aircooled 3700+.
If you want the best bang for the buck it's S754 Clawhammer, not S939. If you need to have the fastest setup on earth, S939 is it, but ONLY if you pair it up with an FX-53 and some very nice RAM and VC. And if you are not vmodding even the FX-53 is a waste, as the 3700+ performs very close to the FX-53 in most applications stock.:D
Thanks Saaya, I'll look for some tomorrow.
As far as the FX-53 score. Hard to say for sure but looking at the individual scores I'd say that that's an air oc on the card. He's on winXP and dx9. With win2k and dx8 the best I got on air at 2.87 on a 3400+ with an unmodded x800pro on air was 31400. He's also using cats 4.6 which are slower. When I put the card on a moded mach I and ran it at 690/636 I gained 2300 points. That would put him at 34.6k. Not to shabby
But still nothing that couldn't be done on a 3700+ in all probability. You're not using the fastest ClawHammer available, but he is. It is pretty obvious to me that a 130nm ClawHammer is a 130nm ClawHammer regardless of pin count or memory bandwidth. 90nm should bring new wonderfulness, but S939 is not it. To me it's mostly AMD marketing. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that AMD is finally getting the hang of the marketing game. Maybe they'll be around for a long time, which is good for all of us. I'd hate to see the crap Intel would force feed us if they had no competition.:toast:
I thought it was start at 100 and work down for safety. no?Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
:thumbsup:
I would hope that there's some sort of protection circuit for the Vcore......... I was real careful with mine, using a 100 ohm VR set at 20 ohm initially and working my way UP...
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Well it doesn't seem like there is going to be that "939 superboard" waiting in the wings. So more or less the same performance as say a 940/FX53 give or take. Via pro and NF3-250-939 seems very close but I guess it's still a little early.
Pkrew, does everything (locks, multis, etc) at least work right in the latest bios for the gigabyte (F3?)?
All the locks and multi's work fine. I also think that the vcore mod for the board isn't working right, but only time will tell.
I think I'll try the vdim using the 1K VR method to the chip leg.
Well when all is said and done, you gonna pick which board you like better, via or NF3 nased 939?
Just picked up some value ram that appears to be ch-5. Wouldn't boot at 2.5-2-2-8 and 3.34v. Tried it at 2.5-3-2-8 and any oc on the fsb resulted in error. at 3-3-3-8 I couldn't get past 208 fsb. Probably just crappy ram.
ouch. I'm going to be using 3700EB, so I hope this board is better than the Abit AV8. At least I will have mutipliers. Do the locks appear to be working though?
Ok, now we're cooking with gas. Got frustrated and threw in my lvl2 and decided to try the second set of vdimm slots. Got into windows and it errored in spi at 208fsb. I said to hell with it and set it at 230. It ran fine. Here's what I ended up with at 3.34v at 2225. In case you can't read it its 256 x 10.5. Time to get the vcore mod figured out.:D
what does the stock vcore 1.7? actually produce when monitored?
You still on the same vdim mod or did you switch?
yes , i had the same problem , only the purples dimms works fine.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Ok, now we're cooking with gas. Got frustrated and threw in my lvl2 and decided to try the second set of vdimm slots. Got into windows and it errored in spi at 208fsb. I said to hell with it and set it at 230. It ran fine. Here's what I ended up with at 3.34v at 2225. In case you can't read it its 256 x 10.5. Time to get the vcore mod figured out.:D
but you had to know that your ram are not at 256 mhz but 256X10,5/11=244,3 mhz ;) , it's very good , the best i could have with LL 1.2 was 240 @ 5/2/2/2 .
Any question : LVL2 are bh-5 sticks ?
? I thought he was running sync ddr400? Not sure what you are saying. Why are you dividing by 11?Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
but you had to know that your ram are not at 256 mhz but 256X10,5/11=244,3 mhz ;)
my english is too bad to explain you correctly that , but the mem controller set multiplier to the superior value , because it must be synchronized with HTT , and coef X,5 should be too complex , that explain you can go higher at coeff x.5 ;)Quote:
Originally posted by xgman
? I thought he was running sync ddr400? Not sure what you are saying. Why are you dividing by 11?
Because the A64 Mem Controller can only use integer mem dividers - so at 10.5 it'll have to use the next higher integer value: 11 ... ;)
fx53 same?
Guess so ... though I'm not exactly able to afford one and thus can't tell you with complete certainty, I wouldn't think that they've used another memory controller (apart from the Dual Channel support) on the Sledgehammer.
I suspected as much, but wasn't sure on the 939 chips. The lvl2 is bh-5 chips all of the Mushkin lvl2 are. Strange though that I maxed at 11.5 x 256, but when I ran 11 multi I maxed at 247. I would have thought I would have maxed at 244.Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
yes , i had the same problem , only the purples dimms works fine.
but you had to know that your ram are not at 256 mhz but 256X10,5/11=244,3 mhz ;) , it's very good , the best i could have with LL 1.2 was 240 @ 5/2/2/2 .
Any question : LVL2 are bh-5 sticks ?
Xgman, yes this is the same vdimm mod. Still cant get over 2.93 with the vcore mod. Misteroadster, did you try and mod both vcore chips?
no i don't try to mod both chips because when i d modded the nearest from socket , i have a small gain : 60mhz stable if i remember and 120 unstable.
And my FX 53 940 did the same , that chips don't love vcore i think.
I'm astonished you could be stable with BH5 , i ve tried a lot of them and none were stable after 210 mhz :
Kingston KHX 3200 single sided 256
KHX 3200 dble sided 256
TRANSCEND 512
that may be true, I may just have a poor overclocking chip. I thought that it may have something to do with the dsp.Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
no i don't try to mod both chips because when i d modded the nearest from socket , i have a small gain : 60mhz stable if i remember and 120 unstable.
And my FX 53 940 did the same , that chips don't love vcore i think.
I'm astonished you could be stable with BH5 , i ve tried a lot of them and none were stable after 210 mhz :
Kingston KHX 3200 single sided 256
KHX 3200 dble sided 256
TRANSCEND 512
Anyway, I put in my hyperX pc3500 (bh-5), which was always my best overclocker. I was very supprised at the results. 263.5 x 11 spi run. Now if I could only get my cpu to take off.
pkrew,
OUTSTANDING! 263, 1:1... sPi stable....
:toast:
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is your cpu an FX53 ?
because i d did better at 239 2/2/2/511/16 with 3800+
http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/29s2875.JPG
Thanks you sir. That was at 3.57 vdimm. I need to figure out this cpu oc though. I think it may be the board or the mod. I could have taken a screen shot on the Asus at 3G at 1.82. Anyway, I only have a 9800np, but I'll try to get my best 3d run in.
very good , i don't understand why my KHX3200 don't work good :(
are you 2T disabled ?
KHX 3500 single or double sided ?
motherboard serial number ?
Yeah P> that 1m looks high should be in the 28s range at 260x11.. I think your running 2t or are you using 2x256 and dropping bank interveaving??
Could PKrew or one of you guys post a pic of the area on the top of the board showing the exact location of the "top side" 1K vdim mod? I want to be able to take it off from the top and that one seems easier, but I am not sure of how it looks based on the older model mods I have seen. Here is a pic if you could circle the area and also point out the read point. Thanks. I don't want to screw it up.
I think there is a possible direct clip on pin a winbond chip, but which pin?
Its almost 28s. Probably another 10mhz or so, but I'll look at the settings.
Other possibilities, too.... pkrew is using WinXP with all the "cheez" turned on ;) I say streamline your o/s and there's YOUR 28s
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This is the K8N vdim leg point mod. Is there a place on the gig-939 that looks like this with a similar read point?
Yep, winxp with all the cheese charlie. 2t is disabled in the bios. I did make a 2001se run at same settings 2.9G. 25155 on a 9800np at 459/319. Just about the same as 227 x 13, 2.95G on the Asus, 25166.Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
Other possibilities, too.... pkrew is using WinXP with all the "cheez" turned on ;) I say streamline your o/s and there's YOUR 28s
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Here's some bandwidth at 267
That's more like it. :)
Nice. :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Here's some bandwidth at 267
Thanks xgman and sierra_bound!!. I managed to run 2001se at 265 x 11. I'll try to squeeze my ram sinks back on tomorrow. Hopefully, that will give me a couple more fsb.
:toast:
i'm second now :slobber:
Thanks my friend :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
very good , i don't understand why my KHX3200 don't work good :(
are you 2T disabled ?
KHX 3500 single or double sided ?
motherboard serial number ?
I didn't see all of your questions. The KHX is technically single sided, but has chips on both sides. 2t is disabled in the bios. SN=0424030022
This is what it took for me to get 28s spi
I'll be joining you guys on this escapade. I just returned my Asus P5AD2 Intel 925X board because of all the recalls, I've had it with intel...
I just bought this board at Newegg.com. Pretty pricey, but at least it's better then 299.99. I was wondering, I currently have 2 sticks of Mushkin level 2 3500 (2x512mb), should I keep them or sell them off? Help me pkrew, thanks bro.
If I sell off my Mushkins, I'm thinking about getting the OCZ 3700EBs. Any thoughts on that ram?
I'm going to be using the 3700EB's on this board. I don't see whay this would not be a good choice for high htt.
Did you get rid of your AV8? and how does the Corsair XL's do on this board? I like the lights...
No I stil have the AV8, but tomorrow my Gig-939 comes and since I see no bios yet with multi's the av8 is "out of there" at least for now. I moved my XL's to my 2nd box where I run lower fsb at tighter timings. I think the EB's will scale better with the Gigabyte and proper working locks/multis even though at lower fsb the XL's will do tighter timings, I think the EB's probably have more headroom..
I don't know what to tell you about the lvl2 you have. I don't have any 512 sticks. In an Intel system the lvl2 and the hyperX performed very much the same, but on both giga A64 boards the hyperX far out performs the lvl2. For me anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by WeaponX
I'll be joining you guys on this escapade. I just returned my Asus P5AD2 Intel 925X board because of all the recalls, I've had it with intel...
I just bought this board at Newegg.com. Pretty pricey, but at least it's better then 299.99. I was wondering, I currently have 2 sticks of Mushkin level 2 3500 (2x512mb), should I keep them or sell them off? Help me pkrew, thanks bro.
I have only a brief report of eb and this board. It was 2 x 256 pc3700 and that was it ran well. I'll try to find out more
thanks ;) mine is : SN0423000005 loll , i think they do some improvement on your's because i can't agree the fact they had made 1 million MB between your's and mineQuote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Thanks my friend :toast:
I didn't see all of your questions. The KHX is technically single sided, but has chips on both sides. 2t is disabled in the bios. SN=0424030022
I would agree. I don't see how they could sell a million boards. I thought you said in another thread that yours was an engineering sampleQuote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
thanks ;) mine is : SN0423000005 loll , i think they do some improvement on your's because i can't agree the fact they had made 1 million MB between your's and mine
I've read reviews (Anandtech.com) stating that the XL's can scale up to 250mhz FSB and keep the 2-2-2-5 latencies (Of course with voltage increases which we might not be able to do with the Gigabyte). Is this true? Either or, I do not plan to do any mods to the board because I have this uneasy feeling of the CPU dieing or something going terribly wrong with the board itself.
You could only get around 2.8v vdimm stock from the gigabyte. The rest of the board are probably going to be the same. I do know that my Asus gives 2.86v at the 2.8 setting
That is simply not true. after about 220 or so they need 2.5 or maybe 2-3-2-5 for a whiule and then 2-3-3-6 or 2.5-3-3- whatever. Voltage does NOT help after about 2.9v.Quote:
Originally posted by WeaponX
I've read reviews (Anandtech.com) stating that the XL's can scale up to 250mhz FSB and keep the 2-2-2-5 latencies (Of course with voltage increases which we might not be able to do with the Gigabyte). Is this true? Either or, I do not plan to do any mods to the board because I have this uneasy feeling of the CPU dieing or something going terribly wrong with the board itself.
Well, I've narrowed it down to either the XL's or the EBs. I just love the "cool" factor in the lights. This one's gonna come down to a coin toss.
Mine's 30015, so we are practically twins. lol :DQuote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Thanks my friend :toast:
I didn't see all of your questions. The KHX is technically single sided, but has chips on both sides. 2t is disabled in the bios. SN=0424030022
Congrats on your new board. Yep, born 7 digits apart :D. Good luck, let us know how it goesQuote:
Originally posted by xgman
Mine's 30015, so we are practically twins. lol :D
Should I keep the Mushkin level 2 PC3500 (2X512mb) that I have or go for the 3700 EBs from OCZ?
pkrew, any luck with the VCore mod?
Still waiting for Hell-Fire to confirm my plan.
go with the EB you wont be disappointed. I sold my 2x512 Lvl2 for $350 and 2x256 of Mushkin BH5 on green PCB's
made out like a bandit
Are they better than the Asus A8V? I can't wait to see some reviews
Quote:
Originally posted by longshot
made out like a bandit
ROFL!!!!!!!
Well it may be just my board (I doubt it though), but the Giagbyte 939 is simply unusable even with vmods. It has the most rediculous bios I have ever seen, and it keeps resetting back to default valuses willy nilly. The abit bios has about 10 billion times more straight forward options than the giagbyte even when you hit ctrl-F1. I just find it iplain stupid. As many problems as the asus and abit may have, this is the worst. It can't go back fast enough. I'm wishing I had kept my 940 setup just about now. These 939 setups just plain suck! IMHO. :mad:
I told you guys S939 stuff was going to have problems. Look how long it's taken us to get decent S754 boards, and there still isn't that many really solid full feature boards available.
I sell computers, and while I will build S939 systems for those who absolutely insist (I use the A8V because ASUS has a good history with A64s) I advise my customers against it.
I don't understand why it's taking so long to see the hardcore overclockers running S939 systems up to the top of the ORB. Can it be that the S939 just isn't any better than the S940 or S754?
Come on guys! Whip out that credit card and put these S939 systems on the map!:toast:
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried the newer bios. Mine will reset the bios, but only when turn it off and on a few times. It did take a while to get use to the bios with my first gig board
Well this will be my first venture into everything, watercooling, AMD64, first Gigabyte board. Hopefully I don't walk away too pissed off at it.
Trust me, I've tried everything. I have always hated this dual bios thing. It turns out to be the overclockers worst nightmare. It keeps insisting on resetting to safe harbor. You never know which bios is booting. The board I have with or without mods has zero stability at any settings.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried the newer bios. Mine will reset the bios, but only when turn it off and on a few times. It did take a while to get use to the bios with my first gig board
I really think that we are in an era that the manufacturers are getting ahead of themselves pushing the envelope in an effort to churn out new product and justify new sales, and it just isn't that easy, so we see half baked products and drivers rushed out only to dissapoint, and I only see this trend getting worse. We have gotten used to one technology update after the other for a few years and I think there are some things that are just hitting the wall, maybe for financial reasons more than tech, or maybe not.
I just got my board today, good thing my favorite color is blue...
To any degree, I hope my experiences turn out good. Stability is still good at stock settings correct?
The dual BIOS can be more of a pain than it's worth but it does come in handy sometimes. It is really important to flash both main and backup BIOS with the same version though if you want to avoid having a corrupt BIOS replaced by a BIOS you don't want to use.