Just a few min ago i heard that nVENTIV has fired the workers in there factory :(
Really bad news for us overclockers
check the website nventiv is also blanc
Don't know any details yeat
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Just a few min ago i heard that nVENTIV has fired the workers in there factory :(
Really bad news for us overclockers
check the website nventiv is also blanc
Don't know any details yeat
It is right nVentiv is no more :(
We was a Reseller from NV.
I just got an email from our nVentiv Contact...
Sad day indeed :(Quote:
Dear resellers
It is with a great deal of sadness I have to report that I have been let go
from nVENTIV today. Also it has come to knowledge that the company today has
filed for bankrupcy.
On the personal side I would like to thank you all for the time we have been
doing business together.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Klavs Steenhof
International Sales Manager
nVENTIV A/S
E-mail: ks@nventiv.com
Phone: +45 72 40 15 29
Æv :(
knew it from the beginning of the week ( = reseller) truely sad...
WTF??!!
They went bankerupt?? Thought that it was goin really well for them...
Darn... That means that ASETEK is the only ones left??? They only make Vapo's...
Its probably because of the HIGH taxes here in Denmark :D
I was not going well at all. :( But they´are not the only ones doing bad ;) :(
:mad: :mad:
time for someone from these forums to start up their own company :toast:
Nooooooooooooooo, this is really really sad :(
Ouch that sucks hard. I think Im going to go buy an A64 kit ASAP. :(
I remember when Asetek a long time ago made some comment about the competitors being "short lived" and at the time I thought, yeah right... Nventiv is doing GREAT! Yeah, right.
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Well at least nVentiv never complained and whined about their competitiors using other aliases while pretending to be end users. asetek need competition to stop them having the monopoly on this market...or it could be bad for us..the consumer
what the ****??? how? how?
must have been incredible mismanagement
or maybe the need for these $700-1000 units is not as high as they thought?Quote:
Originally posted by saaya
must have been incredible mismanagement
Not a bad idea, maybe if the units were assembled in the Far East they would be cheaper, I'm not sure where they were manufactured tho...........Quote:
time for someone from these forums to start up their own company
God!!, I have just been notified...
Well my Mach II GT will never arrive.
:(
Very bad news :(
Sad news :( Mach II GT was a great phase change system...
It seemed like everything was going so well too... :(
Wow thats crazy, I wonder if JCViggen still has a job?
holy crap........
It really is a shame... the battle for the Phase Change crown was getting good... Phase Change was getting more and more popular all the time!
I was waiting for the next generation of Phase Change after the Vapo LS and the Prommie GT... I bet that would have been something really special!!
nVentiv seemed to be the peoples champion of Phase Change too :( Lets hope Microsoft buy nVentiv and bang the Mach II's out for nothing.. giving back to the people :)
Probably not. I bet he has no problem finding another one though, as he seems like a pretty talented person.Quote:
Originally posted by WesM63
Wow thats crazy, I wonder if JCViggen still has a job?
This is a sad day for overclockers around the world.
RIP nventiv.
You're exactly right. I've got nothing against Asetek, but it was nice to have another good option. I doubt Asetek would have come out with the LS if it hadn't been for nVentiv's competition.Quote:
Originally posted by CCW
Well at least nVentiv never complained and whined about their competitiors using other aliases while pretending to be end users. asetek need competition to stop them having the monopoly on this market...or it could be bad for us..the consumer
I think they would...
But the prices would be much higher...
But hey... You could always order 1 of Tom Holcks Cascades... Best in the world... Made by Asetek Nventiv and Danfos... Only 8000$...
I heard some of you gus say is: "It was going so wel" "Phase-change was getting more and more populair"
That maight be true but maybe 2% of al computer enhousiasts is pracising overclocking and from that 2% maybe another 2% buys A Prommie/ MachII/lightspeed, ect.. So the matket for phase-changes is really really limited.
But as many times said above, why ? why ??:slobber:
yeah this is sad but also sad for the people who bought a prom (like me)
no nventiv = no cpu kits in future = sux very hard :/
maybe now is the time to buy a cpu kit ?
to bad, it was a good shop.
Kit-Tronics.com has already raised the price of their remaining Mach1's by $200!!! And kits have also gone up by $50!!!
Talk about a crock of shyte... they are basically price-gouging within hours of this news... which is very, very poor in my mind. :(
Now... after saying that... I just bought an A64/FX kit from them for... <drum roll>... $130!!! I didn't want to do it but I want to make sure I get a kit for my Mach1 before EVERYONE is sold out of them and eBay is bringing $200 for used kits. :( :( :(
Sad, sad day indeed. :( :( :(
sad newz indeed :(
that's just dirty, trying to cashing in like that..
oh well, guess S754/S939/S940 will last a while, so no need to worry about CPU kits in the immediate future..
now's the perfect time to void ur warranties and regas with R404A :D
Glad I was never dumb enough to buy a 1000 dollar thing I could make for 200.
Time to get more serious about selling my mach II.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff
Kit-Tronics.com has already raised the price of their remaining Mach1's by $200!!! And kits have also gone up by $50!!!
Talk about a crock of shyte... they are basically price-gouging within hours of this news... which is very, very poor in my mind. :(
Now... after saying that... I just bought an A64/FX kit from them for... <drum roll>... $130!!! I didn't want to do it but I want to make sure I get a kit for my Mach1 before EVERYONE is sold out of them and eBay is bringing $200 for used kits. :( :( :(
Sad, sad day indeed. :( :( :(
so there a lot of 1000$ gt machines out there without any warranty or further cpu kits.
i wonder if they knew they wouldn't have to care about the lifetime of the R404 filled danfoss R134 compressor when they solt it.
There is still a chance left some company bought nventiv's knowhow and will maintain the prommy product series
They do their watercooling kits as well and they seem to be very popular so they must be gaining extra income from them.Quote:
Originally posted by Mini
Darn... That means that ASETEK is the only ones left??? They only make Vapo's...
Just goes to show how tight the phase change market is.
RIP Nventiv, a sad day for competition, but thats economics for you.
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i bet asetek is having one hell of party right now
wow that sucks
asetek is gonna abuse their monopoly
maybe chilly or cc should go into business
anyone seen the asetek forum?? lol
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Yikes thats a lot. I bought the A64 kit from crazy PC fearing a price hike. It's $60 + $7 for S&H but its the mach II kit. I dont think they are different though. After all, the kit you gave me for my socket A even said Mach II on the box. :/Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff
Now... after saying that... I just bought an A64/FX kit from them for... <drum roll>... $130!!! I didn't want to do it but I want to make sure I get a kit for my Mach1 before EVERYONE is sold out of them and eBay is bringing $200 for used kits. :( :( :(
If I'm not off the mark... cancel that order!
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In the phase change section there is another thread explaining a business partner pulled out. Check it out for more. I guess there saying all is done for but I would have thought maybe they would get "picked up" so to speak by another cooling company.
whats going to happen to those nventive supporters with logos in their sigs.
will they move on, and buy a vapo :p:
nope, time for DIY single stage and then cascade..
to be honest I was never gonna buy another commercial unit anyway
OH :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:! their goes my plans on buying a mach II at the end of my summer holidays :( :shakes:
its gonna be "BH5 Madness" all over again.
Soon Mach I's will be going for $1000 on ebay:p:
what does that mean? It is a support forum, not XS. I don't understand what you mean?Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
anyone seen the asetek forum?? lol
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I feel very sorry for all the users who have brought a Prommie and will not get support :(
Cheers
Man I am so glad I was impulsive and bought the Athlon64 CPU kit yesterday when it was still cheap (relatively) at Kit-Tronics!
I don't think current owners need to make a fuss, these coolers should last quite a long time and building your own mounting brackets shouldn't be too hard.
The thing is, us resellers have no one to RMA to when you RMA to us. These price rises will offset the risk of faulty ones being sent back.....Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff
Kit-Tronics.com has already raised the price of their remaining Mach1's by $200!!! And kits have also gone up by $50!!!
Talk about a crock of shyte... they are basically price-gouging within hours of this news... which is very, very poor in my mind. :(
Now... after saying that... I just bought an A64/FX kit from them for... <drum roll>... $130!!! I didn't want to do it but I want to make sure I get a kit for my Mach1 before EVERYONE is sold out of them and eBay is bringing $200 for used kits. :( :( :(
Sad, sad day indeed. :( :( :(
I know we here at Tekheads still offer a 1 year warranty, but if we get any back now, we're in a mess quite frankly, and stand to lose a lot.
Having said all that, we have not increased our prices.
looks like my prommy just tripled in value:)
Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
anyone seen the asetek forum?? lol
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I have a feeling it`s going to get alot busier now. :toast:
SOB I am so glad I got my a64 kit from Crazy PC
Time to get a Vapo LS.... damn no more prommies... Wanted to get one..
great my mach II GT lcd doesnt work, has boot problems and doesnt deliver the promised temps. What will i do now.
very bad for a phase change consumer. there is no longer as much (any) corporate competition. means sole market share can/will skyrocket price becuase they can. also wonder how many people had thiers on RMA. wonder if they just get thier broke unit back or if they just say sorry u get nothing... in which case u are screwed. good luck suing a bankrupt company. depends if they are just closing shop or filling chapter 'leven. in any case anyone who has bought one within the last 30 days should send it back to the reseller for repair. that way they wont be able to and will be forced to send u a money refund. sucks for the reseller but it is all about the consumer anyways... consumer controlls the market, not the seller / reseller to some degree...
how about when the new btx and new sockets for the next gen of processors.
basically mach2 users are limited in upgrade options,
mach2 will become obsolete fast!
.. the prices for vapo shouldnt sky rock.. asetek / Danfoss are very smart smart and gotta lot of money to roll with... the increase (if any) shouldnt be noticeable.. :)
Blah, My prommy will never becpome obsolete. I can use my own DIY solutions for when the next sockets come out :)
RIP nVentive
BTW, is chip-con and nventive the same company?
I thought it was OBVIOUS what I meant.... the asetek forum (your home) is quite a bit busier and has quite a bit of discussion about this matter....Quote:
Originally posted by Bulldog20
what does that mean? It is a support forum, not XS. I don't understand what you mean?
I feel very sorry for all the users who have brought a Prommie and will not get support :(
Cheers
Capiche?
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No way....Quote:
Originally posted by bias_hjorth
.. the prices for vapo shouldnt sky rock.. asetek / Danfoss are very smart smart and gotta lot of money to roll with... the increase (if any) shouldnt be noticeable.. :)
Mark these words, 6/3/04 avg price for Vapo LS is $830
Come back to this post in 2 months :D
It WILL be $1000
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I thought when Asetek said it had a "campaign price" for the LS it meant it was going to go up some time in the summer, so unless they knew about they WAY before everyone else then the price rise will not be (or at least not all of it, they may increase the rise) down to Nventiv's demise.
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I knew about this a loooong time ago..but was under NDA.
Asetek also knew about Nventive's problems before I did.
Afaik, there will be no major price rises from Asetek.
You are welcome to come onto the Asetek support forum, as long as you abide by the rules..
In any case, the compressors that they were using would not have lasted long.
Sorry for all the current owners, but there is always the LS. It is a great deal right now...and works very well.
FT.
lol, looks like Asetek is a vulcher.
Quote:
Originally posted by EmineM
great my mach II GT lcd doesnt work, has boot problems and doesnt deliver the promised temps. What will i do now.
lol should have gotten an ls....................
Well if anyone needs a phase change unit, talk to Pc Ice.
I dont know if you guys seen my Lanparty Tool box, phasechange unit. It was awsome. Ice came over one day and stole it from me. Came back with it the next day, now its a -100c cascade unit. Freekin awsome. You guy really need to hit up Ice if you want one. I know he is willing to build and sell. Luckily mine didnt cost me too much ( FREE ):D
:( WTF my dream is gone... bye dear nventiv
This is sad for me, seeing a company who's product I'm very pleased with go down :(
Well another day in the life of a 3DFX fan :(
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They renamed chip-con a few years ago into nVentive ;)Quote:
Originally posted by masterofpuppets
Blah, My prommy will never becpome obsolete. I can use my own DIY solutions for when the next sockets come out :)
RIP nVentive
BTW, is chip-con and nventive the same company?
Can't stop the bashing even when the competition goes under. That's a good way to get people to come over to the Asetek camp. Swell people you all seem to be. :up: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Friar Tuck
In any case, the compressors that they were using would not have lasted long.
Personally... I think nVENTIV going under will just stir up the custom market to the point of creating another competitor for Asstek. Can't wait to see who from XS or XR is involved 'cause you know someone will be. :)
Isn't it fun being a paid shill for some company?
Some people...
I wouldn't touch an Asetek unit.
I wrote Greer after I sent my order in and told him I was very unhappy about the raise in price. He's replied back about trying to cover RMA costs that they can no longer RMA to nVENTIV. He's holding my order 'til he hears back from a few people on the matter.Quote:
Originally posted by Colin
Man I am so glad I was impulsive and bought the Athlon64 CPU kit yesterday when it was still cheap (relatively) at Kit-Tronics!
My reply was to basically cancel my order and I've already place an order with CrazyPC.com. I can almost understand where he is coming from but I'm still not happy about it(since I very much have liked Kit-Tronics.com in the past and would not have guessed they would stoop to this level).
At any rate... hopefully my order is cancelled with them and hopefully CrazyPC.com actually has enough of these kits to go around. :(
It is a shame when any business goes to the wall...
Im sure there are plenty of nventiv users on this forum who could provide quality support for users of this unit for some time.
RIP Nventiv..:(
As one door closes another one opens....
maybe asetek will buy out nventiv and make prommies, vapo ls will be for those with some budget, and prommies will be for those who asetek will rip off
Maybe...
Lets not turn this thread into a Astek bashing thread...they are friends of this site..
It is not there fault nventiv went bust...
Be thank full that at least one company is still around to mass produce these type of units..
People must remember, the A64 kits will mean that a Prometeia is still good for the lifespan of the A64, which is what, 5 years??
as for intel support, I assume thats gonna end officially with LGA775 soon, cause I doubt the old P4 kit will work on them.
motherboard makers always change things around for some reason.
as for Asetek...
I owned a Vapochill about a year ago.
it was a fine unit, not much compared to my prometeia, but it's certainly a fine choice, especially the LS.
thats if they don't start jacking up the price, cause $850 is still too much for something that basically is no more powerful then a $500 prometeia.
on a side note, atleast we can now know were gonna have the same vapochill LS for about the next 14 years since they probably won't change the design or anything until they absolutly have too, haha....
I know you're from Belgium, but that's V-U-L-T-U-R-EQuote:
Originally posted by Gamer
lol, looks like Asetek is a vulcher.
:D
who said they wont get support? maybe they will.Quote:
Originally posted by Bulldog20
what does that mean? It is a support forum, not XS. I don't understand what you mean?
I feel very sorry for all the users who have brought a Prommie and will not get support :(
Cheers
:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by Assasin-uk
Maybe...
Lets not turn this thread into a Astek bashing thread...they are friends of this site..
It is not there fault nventiv went bust...
Be thank full that at least one company is still around to mass produce these type of units..
Got some numbers to back that up?Quote:
Originally posted by Kunaak
thats if they don't start jacking up the price, cause $850 is still too much for something that basically is no more powerful then a $500 prometeia.
r507 Mach1 vs. LSQuote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Got some numbers to back that up?
looks like similar numbers to me....except the Mach1 may be a bit quieter...
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I really like my R507'd Mach1. I only wish my NF7 would allow more FSB and a little higher overall clock. The board is just freakin' out at 3030MHz. ;)
Well the r507 isn't a $500 dollar mach I. The mods would probably put it pretty close in price. Second the noise of the LS is qreatly overplayed. Just ask bowman. I have a modeed mach I for my graphics card. Both units are about the same noise level
$650 total for the R507'd Mach1 I have.
you bought that new and had it modded.
Better buy what you can now as the price for these systems is going to sky rocket.
it's not the R507 prometeia I am talking about, it's the opinion of a very prominent member here who has owned both of these.
if he feels like telling his opinion about them he will, but it's not from a unknowledgable person that I learned this from.
I asked him cause I keep getting a friend of mine asking me what ones better, and I couldn't really guess.
so I asked the only person I knew that has owned just about every piece of hardware there is...
Is nventiv out of bussiness or went for Bankruptcy, because if they are out of bussiness they wont come back, and if the bakrupt they might comeback under same or different name, example would the Kmart which went for bankruptcy two years ago and still is around
Yep, I took the plunge when Kit-Tronics was selling them for $450 delivered. :up: And then I had someone else do the upgrade for $200. It's funny because I bought two Mach1s a couple weeks apart... the R507 one I still own was NEVER run stock. ;) As soon as I received it, off it went for upgrading. :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
you bought that new and had it modded.
Well, I looked at OPP's review of the PE and its comparison to the mach I and also looked at his review of the XE. The mach I looks to compare better with the XE then the LS.
Everything else I've seen seems to indicate the LS is more on par with the mach II. Petervandammeds comparison and one that was using a A64 showed slightly better temps for the LS. There's also a German review of the LS which concluded it to be the best stock unit availalbe. Of couse the GT hadn't shipped yet.
Wow, great deal. I would have to ship one and it would cost another $100-$150 for the mod.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff
Yep, I took the plunge when Kit-Tronics was selling them for $450 delivered. :up: And then I had someone else do the upgrade for $200. It's funny because I bought two Mach1s a couple weeks apart... the R507 one I still own was NEVER run stock. ;) As soon as I received it, off it went for upgrading. :lol:
beers on me if it does! But it wont ;) :DQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
No way....
Mark these words, 6/3/04 avg price for Vapo LS is $830
Come back to this post in 2 months :D
It WILL be $1000
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I'm doing a review right now on Vapo LS. I also put it up against the MachII. The CPU temps under load are almost exact. The MachII does do cooler Idle temps. They both Overclock the same.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Well, I looked at OPP's review of the PE and its comparison to the mach I and also looked at his review of the XE. The mach I looks to compare better with the XE then the LS.
Everything else I've seen seems to indicate the LS is more on par with the mach II. Petervandammeds comparison and one that was using a A64 showed slightly better temps for the LS. There's also a German review of the LS which concluded it to be the best stock unit availalbe. Of couse the GT hadn't shipped yet.
OPP
Thanks OPP, that sounds about right from what I've seenQuote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I'm doing a review right now on Vapo LS. I also put it up against the MachII. The CPU temps under load are almost exact. The MachII does do cooler Idle temps. They both Overclock the same.
OPP
i wonder what will happen with 275w of heat in the original mach2. :p:
I think Ill buy a LS soon before Asetek raises prices...
One of the reasons the prices on the Asetek units will rise, is because ppl will run for it now, being afraid the prices will go up in the near future.
Supply x Demand law. ;)
This is a shame with Nventiv. :( I was hoping to get a MkII this summer.
Competition is good for the consumer and for manufacturers. However as before Chip-Con/nVentiv our development and R&D will continue, and we have no plans for an increase in price.
something to point out, a mach 1 with r507 might only be $650, and the mach 1 alone might only be $500, but then they went bankrupt as that price couldn't keep profits high enough. So woohoo, lets complain bout asetek prices, so they drop them then go bankrupt too, an almost ingenius plan.
Thread is nventiv went kablewy, that= sad(to a point, for the people, but its never the end, people invovlved will work in similar jobs for a diff company).
thread= end
Gross. This is NOT good news. However we won't be 100% screwed. A 3rd party company could easily machine and mass produce new mounting kits. Hopefully astek will use their BUSINESS sense and offer a warrenty service for Nventiv units for a relativly small fee. Then people will experience astek's 'excellent' support and feel less aperhensive about purchasing their products in future. That was everyone wins, or at least comes closer to it.
Still sucks about Nventiv. Hopefully the previous employees will import themselves into north america and start a new business here.
if a PC60 costs $99 new at compusa, then why does a PC60 with a hole in the bottom cost 199 from Nventiv...
thats why they went bankrupt.
the prices on some of thier things was just too insane.
if people on these forums can make a cooler of some sort for about $300 and have a better one, for alot less, then theres no real reason to have prices like the $1900 dollars expected for a Mach GT with the PC 60 case.
for $1900 you could get a cascade almost...
thats true... building a comercial product with warranty (make sure it lasts long) costs a little more than building a ps unit yourself, but i think they had too many employees and thats what killed them. workforce is extremely expensive and can kill your business if you only supply a relatively small market...
Toms cascades :slobber:
The case doesn't cost that much, it depends where you look some of the hardware sellers charge as much as 199 for this case without window and any wholeQuote:
Originally posted by Kunaak
if a PC60 costs $99 new at compusa, then why does a PC60 with a hole in the bottom cost 199 from Nventiv...
I never said Asetek will jack up prices....although they may. The independent dealers will JACK UP the price....Quote:
Originally posted by asetek Inc.
Competition is good for the consumer and for manufacturers. However as before Chip-Con/nVentiv our development and R&D will continue, and we have no plans for an increase in price.
Like I said, prepare for $1000 LS units...
Now more than ever Asetek can put a sticker on an LS and put a better "air drier" on it or something and call it an LS-XS for like $1200, now that GT i no more... it's simple Business 101, supply and demand.
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