I figured I start this thread.
Congrads to LardArse:toast:
Looks like a fast card but FM isn't approving any drivers.
http://www.vrforums.com/showthread.p...threadid=14562
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I figured I start this thread.
Congrads to LardArse:toast:
Looks like a fast card but FM isn't approving any drivers.
http://www.vrforums.com/showthread.p...threadid=14562
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congratulations to LardArse. Seems like the people that always said that the 6800ulta has no chance against the x800xt are now proven wrong
Thx Opp. They say the 60.72 is approved I'll try that in a bit. I know Macci and you are gonna lay your hands on one very soon :)
congratulations mate, 1 monstrosity of a rig :slobber: im glad to see nvidia back in the game, nothing beats good competition.
woah the clocks are rather screwy keep it up dude
Yea, see what you did:DQuote:
Originally posted by LardArse
Thx Opp. They say the 60.72 is approved I'll try that in a bit. I know Macci and you are gonna lay your hands on one very soon :)
Now I have to get both a 800XT and a 6800:D
I'm gunna have to get a job soon to support all this:D
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congrats m8... :toast;
anymore in it..?
Good job dude....new WR!
so what does this mean? the 6800 is better than x800xt?
well only macci, and the people with successful pro to XT mods, had x800xt's, we dunno yetQuote:
Originally posted by SuperDude
so what does this mean? the 6800 is better than x800xt?
BUT
geforce 6 looks like its brought nvidia back to the elite of vid cards
I just wasted my time running the dual cascades with 599/1250 and 60.72s. It is downloaded from Guru3D. Why is it that its non WHQLed???
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/16954.JPG
Card seems to bench best at -90C or so....
fm doesnt like to update their stuff?
I'd love to say "I told you so" So i say; I :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ing told you so! :D To everyone who had a shade of doubt. Lardarse is my personal hero.
Great stuff!!
Try Direct X 9.0C perhaps...wonder if that'll make a difference with the 6800
Heh...with these scores one would think these people were running 3dmark 2k1 !
Whoa, nice job. :toast:
gj
Whow! Nicest on this month i've seen! Congrats!
I don't think this is a suprise at all. From the reviews I've seen it was pretty obvious that the 6800 Ultra is faster than the XT in lower resolutions. In 1280x1024 and above with all the bells and whistles turned on the ATi cards (even the Pro) smoke the nVidias.Quote:
Originally posted by EmineM
congratulations to LardArse. Seems like the people that always said that the 6800ulta has no chance against the x800xt are now proven wrong
Moral of the story? If you use a 15" monitor and only run 3DMark then go nVidia. If not, ATi is your best bet.;)
Congratulations Lardarse, awesome job man. i want to see 17k with 60.72! break the futuremark record. Hopefully someone will send this to Nvidia.com and get this on the front page. Hopefully it goes in front of Futuremark announcements too.
Nice score, I'm a bit surprised to see this, but I kind of had a feeling that the 6800 ultra would pop up :D
Is this using any LOD bias changes? if so what number. I'm just curious, because the ati cards don't support it, so I'm wondering if that helped tip the scales (not that your acheivement would be any less great)
thats sweet and I agree with the lodbias thing, it helps nvidia cards alot, but 17k is still amazing and you were first at it
1k closer to 20k, very nice work lardarse :)
it's always been pretty clear around here that the 6800 would do better at 3dmark2003... why are people trying to say "told you so" about it now ;)
on topic though, shamino, how about some aquamark3 action?
I am sure with that PC you'll get top spot in 2 minutes.
intel and Nvidia on AM3 are the fastest stuff you can use for it.
Well it seems FM isn't approving the 60.72 either :D
No LOD tweaks yet. Has Coolaler upped his score yet? I've compared all 3 Nature runs on 60.72, 60.85, 61.11 and none went over 100 fps. He got 110 fps in that screenie.Quote:
The 60.72 drivers are not WHQL, and therefore they will not be listed in any official lists. The ORB default search will only search for WHQL Approved drivers. As soon as there will be WHQL drivers which are approved, the results can appear in the Hall of Fame.
Very nice.... hell of a good job...
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so what drivers are approved for Nvidia NV40 officially for Futuremark 3dmark03 ORB? none as of yet? Maybe they'll find a slower driver and approve that one.
Yep, like they did with ATi X800!:mad: :DQuote:
Originally posted by Kanavit
so what drivers are approved for Nvidia NV40 officially for Futuremark 3dmark03 ORB? none as of yet? Maybe they'll find a slower driver and approve that one.
You think ps 3 is slowing down nature for you?Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
Well it seems FM isn't approving the 60.72 either :D
No LOD tweaks yet. Has Coolaler upped his score yet? I've compared all 3 Nature runs on 60.72, 60.85, 61.11 and none went over 100 fps. He got 110 fps in that screenie.
so stupid regulating which driver you can submit. i say any driver offically released by ati or nvidia should be fm approved. thats just horse puckey.
Awesome scoreage Lard:toast: Brutal stencil shadow power of 6800 helps a bit:)
It usually is... eventually.Quote:
Originally posted by megahurtz-oc
so stupid regulating which driver you can submit. i say any driver offically released by ati or nvidia should be fm approved. thats just horse puckey.
I can think of a couple of drivers that I'm glad FM didn't approve. This benchmark is not just there for us to see how big of number we can put up. Its used by average users to decide which card to buy. If the benchmark is to have any validity it has to be rendered correctly.Quote:
Originally posted by megahurtz-oc
so stupid regulating which driver you can submit. i say any driver offically released by ati or nvidia should be fm approved. thats just horse puckey.
yea but ultimately Nvidia should decide how the graphic drivers should work on their video card, not futuremark. it's not their place, they didn't design the freakin video card. Nvidia create drivers to work specifically for NV40. ATI can't do it for them. i believe these approved drivers is BS personally.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
I can think of a couple of drivers that I'm glad FM didn't approve. This benchmark is not just there for us to see how big of number we can put up. Its used by average users to decide which card to buy. If the benchmark is to have any validity it has to be rendered correctly.
only 52.16 forceware are approved officially at FM now. 60.72 is approved for 6800 ultra only, but the WHQL ones, which isn't even out yet. lol 61.11 is out already. so what the hell , what gives? seriously , this is shameful. No wonder so many review sites are dropping 3dmark03 from the benchmark suites.
I bet if Lardarse score 17k with 52.16 and submit it, it would not be approved because 52.16 was not approved for the 6800 series.
FM doesn't decide drivers for Nvidia or Ati. They just decide whether the driver runs their test properly and they are well within their rights to do so. Allowing drivers that fail to render the benchmark properly so that one company can sell more cards doesn't benifit anyone except for that company. It also would make 3do3 a sham.
You can still run your card with any driver you choose. FM does nothing to stop you from doing this. There just telling us that a particualr driver may have taken shortcuts to get a better score. I'm all for that.
Think about it this way. If FM didn't regualate their benchmark we'd all be running crappy drivers as each company would continue to skimp just to stay ahead. Granted sometimes its frustrating and you have to wait for their approval, but in the end its good for the consumer. Too bad AM3 doesn't do the same thing.
I dunno about letting the sales staff run free with the reigns on drivers.... Imagine wireframe mode kicking in when 3dmark03.exe runs. IMO there needs to be guidance on what is "acceptable".
true, but asking Nvidia to script a driver for FM is unethical. FM is the only site that regulates drivers , NO ONE ELSE does it. sorry for me being skeptical folks. All drivers are approved in all gaming benchmarks except 3dmark03. btw, im sure 60.72 are not showing wireframed graphics either lol.
Play by the rules or go home, thats all i've got to say.
Lardarse - Can we get a 1600x1200 run? Or Default with 2x FSAA?
Just a screenshot of the results to compare against an X800/XT at same settings would be good :D
nice work lardarse et all. like STEvil said i'd like to see some results at 1600x1200, i think this is the area where 3dmark01 is becoming the most outdated, nobody plays their games at 1024x768 with no FSAA. they should make a new build that runs games at higher res and better IQ
u can do runs at 1600x1200 if u want to... making iq better wouldnt do squat to the nvidia cards cuz of lodbias... not every1 runs games better than 1024 no aa, just people with decent video cards.
yeah hey for nvidia and super congrats lordarse!
Heh I will leave that to the indepth review articles/peeps, Visionary did a nice 6800 review hereQuote:
Originally posted by STEvil
Play by the rules or go home, thats all i've got to say.
Lardarse - Can we get a 1600x1200 run? Or Default with 2x FSAA?
Just a screenshot of the results to compare against an X800/XT at same settings would be good :D
http://www.vr-zone.com/index.cgi?i=812&s=1
, but we have not laid hands on any x800 XTs yet to compare it to. My rig is not exactly a reviewer's rig ATM. Kunaak, AQM in a bit, I'm switching back to 61.11 since no drivers are approved. And I'm still waiting to see Coolaler's score up, comparing some results from the aircooled GPUs and plotting it upwards, my nature seems fine.
Hey LardArse, hows the condensation on the 6800u. Any better than the X800pro?
After the x800 phobia, I decided to be mad on the seal string treatment. You can say seal string galore. One side gets pretty cold but the PWM and heatsink area to the right gets slightly warm after benching so I put a fan there to blow.
From the temp monitor, GPU temp is about 20C higher than evap temp. It will only show to 0C. So -98C evap means -78C GPU I guess?
I know what you mean about X800 phobia. I nearly get panic attacks everytime I run it. Kinda takes the fun out of benching
Aquamark, P4EE 14 x 321 -> 4.5Ghz 6800U 599/1240:
96930
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_sea...nID=1084418132
Awesome score, LA. :toast:
Ditto...
Aquamark loves that rig for sure. Any chance of breaking 100k or do you think that's about it?
Very good job indeed!
100K should be quite possible and quite soon.
By the way, when I was looking through the teampuss gallery I really liked your Cascade rig when I first saw it. It looks like a badarse:D
I don't like the idea of haveing a dual evap cpu/gpu rig only, like how Captaincascade makes them. I like to have seperate cooling rigs like yours.
Very nice!
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Heh thx Opp, its big and loud! I think you'll find a seperate CPU/ GPU evap very useful when you clock the 6800U ;)
another nice wank by Lardarse :P
Wank? Heh. I guess benchmarking is a form of self-gratification. lol.
Actually I wanted the 1600x1200 numbers to see which card as more "staying" power ;)
If you game (especially in 1280x1024 or higher with everything up full) the ATi X800XT has been shown to be superior. If a high 3DMark is your thing then nVidia 6800U is what you want. The 6800 has been shown to take a big hit in hires with AA and AF, etc...
erm guys, you're speaking in XS's 3dmark forums, where scores rules over everything. :)
I'd like to see which card performs best at 1600x1400 with everything on, thats the card ill get :D
Simply Awesome :toast:
That Aquamark3 result totally kills the competition :D
:eek: Nice results :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
100K should be quite possible and quite soon.
If the test is done with no AA or AF (which is default) the 6800U is still likely to win no matter the resolution...Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
Actually I wanted the 1600x1200 numbers to see which card as more "staying" power ;)
Heh macci, I've registered at this forum to ask if Coolaler would submit his 2003 score in chinese :D
http://bbs.gzeasy.com/index.php?showtopic=168603
I'm still kinda skeptical that my Nature is throttling on all 3 runs :p:
LArdy, why dont you ask it from him in his own forum? :)
LINK
btw, there are wierd things that can lower the nature score...2^32 is one of them..;)
Then how did you get around it? You were running a very similar CPU speed.Quote:
Originally posted by macci
btw, there are wierd things that can lower the nature score...2^32 is one of them..;)
Ok i think it will be interesting to see some benchies at high resolutions with both x800 and 6800U at 1600x1200 res and post it here . Is anyone willing to do this test to see which card is more powerfull ??? Thank you....
I wonder why coolaler has not published his score ?
Something fishy ? :confused: Hard to judge as don;t know his background.
Excellent AM score .. almost 100k, well that is fantastic.
Regards
Andy
more a form of self-abuse.Quote:
Originally posted by sierra_bound
Wank? Heh. I guess benchmarking is a form of self-gratification. lol.
lol
http://www.akiba-pc.com/e107_images/...t_vs_6800u.gif
Must get one of those NV40 Beasts :D
more like someone's posting in the wrong site.Quote:
Originally posted by boshi
more a form of self-abuse.
Anymore in it my man?? :)Quote:
Originally posted by macci
http://www.akiba-pc.com/e107_images/...t_vs_6800u.gif
Must get one of those NV40 Beasts :D
Lardarse, i made a new sig for u...
http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/...tc/shamino.JPG
cant get into internet for 4 days and look what happened lol
:toast: nice job
Lardy,
We'll have to wait and see :D
I guess I can get 17k but not much more at this point. That 16.858 was a 'backup' I left unpublished from my previous bench session a week or two ago. 777GPU ran halfway thru Nature back then but locked up eventually. Evap was already at -75C at that point. With better temps and volts it should reach 780 with cascade and then Maybe 800 with LN2 :)
For my side I need to get a bios flash to disable the throttling, its killing my o/cs :)
Kanavit, thx, nice sig :D
Couldn't have said it better myself. If i buy a $400+ card, i damn well better be playing with everything maxed out. Sure, we all like 3dmark, but i love eye candy more. That is why i am going to buy ATI.Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
I don't think this is a suprise at all. From the reviews I've seen it was pretty obvious that the 6800 Ultra is faster than the XT in lower resolutions. In 1280x1024 and above with all the bells and whistles turned on the ATi cards (even the Pro) smoke the nVidias.
Moral of the story? If you use a 15" monitor and only run 3DMark then go nVidia. If not, ATi is your best bet.;)
why its not first on the orb??
the first is x800xt!! :eek: :eek:
Hi guys, Its 99% confirmed its a fake. In his website here,
http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/158
Coolaler has shown a CPUID pic of his prescott at 4.7G while submitting the score. (3rd pic from bottom) The ID number is 3454630296 and Franck of CPUID has verified that its a 3.6G P4. The rest of the screenies, he cleverly used the menus to hide the ID numbers, but I guess he left that one out.
As seen in his pics, he has his container sitting on his video card without a hold down and to use LN2 on both his GPU and CPU, his CPU container would have to be a big elbow wouldn't it?
That would explain his Nature, and also that he makes no mention of throttling at these temps when I'm facing GPU throttling back even at default speeds at very cold GPU temp.
Good detective work, LA. That would be very bad if he faked everything. I take it he hasn't responded to any of this.
He probably did try to use DI on his GPU though, at low temps like 0C displayed on the nvidia monitor, the "bar" does reach "red-hot" levels as shown in his pic.
Doesn't seem like a fake thou.
GT1-3 is pretty much what it should be at those clocks. Its only the Nature thats clearly higher than on your score OR on his previous score of 15.377 (it was only 89.2FPS on that one..).
Maybe a LOD tweak?
Hmm.. actually the CPU speed thingy is a bit wierd! Notice how ORB is reading it as 4700MHz? ORB has a bug once the CPU speed reached over 4.1GHz. After that speed the CPU speed reported by ORB is 200MHz lower than it actually is (4.5G = 4.3GHz etc).
So if his CPU-Z says 4.7G the ORB should say 4.5GHz - not 4.7 like on his pic...
Hard to tell if its real or not. Lets see if he can publish it - I posted to his forum yesterday and let him know the ORB allows users to publish the 6800 results.
A couple things...
Anyone who benches DI KNOWS that you can't stick like 1 or 2 giant chunks of DI in there... you need small pieces, and that's almost NO frost too...
AND! And where's the fluid? If he tipped the card on it's side like in the pic, fluid would run out, UNLESS it was just a couple chunks of DI jammed in there, which doesn't cool worth a sh*t.
I'm curious.
Lack of a hold down means nothing, though...it could have small screws tapped through the back :D
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also, why does he have no insulation on the back of the GPU:???
why does he run his ram 3-4-4-5, those are odd timings
very nice:)
I'd say that CPUID number of a 3.6 P4 on his "4.7g" Prescot is enough of a giveaway. So far I haven't come across a case where the ID number lied.
You'd think that the guy who had time to take a pic of his monitor after the bench would have time to take a pic of the dual LN2 setup.
yah why all the digicam pics and not screenies?
LardArse is closing in on 100K
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/98945.JPG
this is getting fun.
With a score that totally destroyed the competition by over 10k+ points...:eek:
Would be nice if it showed his CPU/GFX score and his specs though.
N1 LardArse...
Throtling sounds like a :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:... No way to turn it off??? What do Nvidia say??? They makin a driver where its possible??? And whats the point of turning speed down when it gets too cold???
Hehe... Should they put the speed up to regain heat :D
Above 4.3ghz will always show 0/0. He destroyed everybody... :up: to shamino. He could have taken number one with his pro a week ago.Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
With a score that totally destroyed the competition by over 10k+ points...:eek:
Would be nice if it showed his CPU/GFX score and his specs though.
I'm with Macci, it seems the guy gets a score of 15377 with his cpu at 4009Mhz (19th pic down) and then turn it up to around 45**mhz and card clocks up and got the 16838 score. The other shots of 47**mhz could be showinf his max clocks of his cpu and not his max benchable score.Quote:
Originally posted by macci
Doesn't seem like a fake thou.
GT1-3 is pretty much what it should be at those clocks. Its only the Nature thats clearly higher than on your score OR on his previous score of 15.377 (it was only 89.2FPS on that one..).
Maybe a LOD tweak?
Hmm.. actually the CPU speed thingy is a bit wierd! Notice how ORB is reading it as 4700MHz? ORB has a bug once the CPU speed reached over 4.1GHz. After that speed the CPU speed reported by ORB is 200MHz lower than it actually is (4.5G = 4.3GHz etc).
So if his CPU-Z says 4.7G the ORB should say 4.5GHz - not 4.7 like on his pic...
Hard to tell if its real or not. Lets see if he can publish it - I posted to his forum yesterday and let him know the ORB allows users to publish the 6800 results.
The are things that need to be found out though. Such as the large chunks of DI used, the cpu code thingy (Not sure aboput this though as alot of cpu programs do some weird things for me once overclocked e.g. saying I have a different cpu to the one which I do, like a higher speed rating for example, 2800 for a 3000 at 2.4Ghz) also how did he get 3d mark to show 14850 but show 15377 also (pic 19)?
EDIT: I also think the DI container is in an upright position and the pics have been taken from weird angles. In the 14th pic he has taken a picture where it is upright, therefore not needing the kink in the container.
Thx guys.
Anyone has had a performance boost with a flash to the latest bios for the IC7? I'm still on the stock bios that came with the board but it works great for me so I don't wanna spoil a good thing. Thats 1 way of narrowing that 1K gap.
And I dunno if disabling USB would raise scores a lil? Right now I have to enable it for my modem cos AQM can't save the score to be submitted later. Or can it?
As for pushing the CPU, it is already at 14 x 331 -> 4.63 Ghz. With Hyper threading on this is about the max I can pass Aquamark.
Tried the blurriest LOD doesn't seem to help score or O/C. Gotta try a few others. And I dunno if its the random throttling that is killing my memory O/C, wished I had tried a Vmem mod before seal stringing up the bugger. Its using 2ns I think so wouldn't get much more now.
I guess 100k might not be so possible without a driver update. I just might be able to borrow some AData rams for 1:1 action.
JWB, his score submission shows 4.7G in the CPU speed tab and and his title of 6800U + 4.7 prescott. See his fervent submission of Aquamark scores with 4G P4 on the ARC but not one that was ran on LN2?
Anyways it could be that my runs all had weird Nature or the irritating nvidia clock pulling antics, guess we'll have to wait till macci Opp and the rest get their 68s. Still waiting to see if he submits the score... Wouldn't that be better though?? Much closer to 18k if Nature does 11+?
You tweaked windows 100%??? Disabling all the stuff etc etc... Ask Nvidia to tell you how to disable throtling cause you want to commercialise that Nvidia is the fastest card on the ORB:smileysex :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
Thx guys.
Anyone has had a performance boost with a flash to the latest bios for the IC7? I'm still on the stock bios that came with the board but it works great for me so I don't wanna spoil a good thing. Thats 1 way of narrowing that 1K gap.
And I dunno if disabling USB would raise scores a lil? Right now I have to enable it for my modem cos AQM can't save the score to be submitted later. Or can it?
As for pushing the CPU, it is already at 14 x 331 -> 4.63 Ghz. With Hyper threading on this is about the max I can pass Aquamark.
Tried the blurriest LOD doesn't seem to help score or O/C. Gotta try a few others. And I dunno if its the random throttling that is killing my memory O/C, wished I had tried a Vmem mod before seal stringing up the bugger. Its using 2ns I think so wouldn't get much more now.
I guess 100k might not be so possible without a driver update. I just might be able to borrow some AData rams for 1:1 action.
JWB, his score submission shows 4.7G in the CPU speed tab and and his title of 6800U + 4.7 prescott. See his fervent submission of Aquamark scores with 4G P4 on the ARC but not one that was ran on LN2?
Anyways it could be that my runs all had weird Nature or the irritating nvidia clock pulling antics, guess we'll have to wait till macci Opp and the rest get their 68s. Still waiting to see if he submits the score... Wouldn't that be better though?? Much closer to 18k if Nature does 11+?
Do the Vmodd...
Try running it again and again??? In 3dmark01 my score swings with 200 points...:eek:
I've just broke 100K :D but it seems their site broke down now??
great work LardArse, you really are putting the rest of the oc comunity to shame in AM3 right now.Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
I've just broke 100K :D but it seems their site broke down now??
Congrats again, LA. :toast: Can't wait to see the screenshots. The AM3 site does appear to be down atm.
awesome, 100k just like that. Shamino breaking milestones easily. what are the clocks? and what drivers? Aquamark3.com is down atm.Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
I've just broke 100K :D but it seems their site broke down now??
Actually it does, you may have found out by now but in D:\Documents and Settings\Username\My Documents\AquaMark3 it saves all the runs to be submitted later, a nice feature.
LardArse, I think the AM3 site is back up if you want to submit your score.