What do I use to check the # of pipes being used.
I did the mod and need to see if it's working:D
OPP
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What do I use to check the # of pipes being used.
I did the mod and need to see if it's working:D
OPP
Cool. :D How do you do that mod?
You can use RivaTuner or ATiTool.
i think ati tool for overclock and you need to flash the card...
:banana: i wish i get 400$ :D
You could just run the 3DMark2001 Fillrate tests before/after as well. You will know if its working :D
There has to be somthing that shows it.
Other then the fonominal scores I'll be getting:D
OPP
and you can check if where are 16pip or still 12pip with aida32...
ATI tool should definetely show it... at least those screens prove it...
Please give me a link to ati tool...Quote:
Originally posted by bachus_anonym
ATI tool should definetely show it... at least those screens prove it...
thanks ;)
You'll find it here. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by TommyW
Please give me a link to ati tool...
thanks ;)
Damn, It didn't work:D
I guess I'll try close the bridge again.
OPP
Isn't there 2 bridges. If so, I wonder if it makes a difference which one or if you have to close both.
Bummer..... I figured you'd get it :P
double check the connection, OPP.... make it work, damn it :D
There are 2 bridges, only one is cut. I tryed closeing the one, maybe I didn't get contact.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Isn't there 2 bridges. If so, I wonder if it makes a difference which one or if you have to close both.
OPP
Its either that or the guy was jerking our chain. Could also be that it depends on who makes the card. I'm not sure why that would make a difference though.
come on opp, give us something to dream of!
itd be soooo sweet if you could get that to work
Give us non-ub3r rich folk some hope that the X800 Pro will kick (more) arse!!
Any news on the 6800 GT's BTW???
The new gt version is faster then the uktra? or its in the between 6800 and the ultra?
Its in between 6800 and Ultra
Ultra 400 Core 550 (1100) Mem
GT 350 Core 500 (1000) Mem
both have 16 pipes and gddr3
Two successes:
Phemo - http://www.phemo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/xt3.jpg
3DMark2001SE Before - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7844376
3DMark2001SE After - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7864146
3DM03 Before = 10934
3DM03 After = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2577914 12075
Chris_UK - http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/working.JPG
3DM03 Before = 11800
3DM03 After = http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/working1.JPG 13487 ( 630/585 )
:toast:
bad luck opp, try again
Here is what Phemo tried:
" know the first thing you'll ask is how I did it. Well, I got a very sharp knife and scraped off my previous conductive paintwork, then I used the knife to scrape away at the two points - we are using the right points after all. I scraped them away until there was some bare copper exposed, bright copper instead of the usual dull, then re-did the paint job, booted Windows up and ran ATITool, she now apparently has 16 pipes"
yeah it works, let the fun begin
IT WORKS?????!!!!!!!
Praise the lord!! :)
YESQuote:
Praise the lord!! :)
I'll feel better when OPP post back here. He's redoing it right now. I'm starting the mod myself as I type this. If it works.....woooooohoooooooooo!!!
Knowing OPP, he's probably benching it as an XT at the moment.
Nice!!
i wait and buy x800se... mybe i get x800pro (almost) ... x800se use gddr and not gddr3 :( or mybe i get gf 6800nu
holy $hit it works!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am getting one!!!!!
sweeeeeet..
scribble, pm being sent ;)
Sorry, not the case unfortunately. I spoke to him on the phone 20 minutes ago. He said he'll post a screenie if he gets it to work.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Knowing OPP, he's probably benching it as an XT at the moment.
He's using conductive ink. The pads were probably not clean enough to make a good connection. The pads are DAMN small!
Well, here goes nothing.;)
Is he trying a knife, scratching it down to the copper traces ?
could there be copper at the bottom of the pit between the connections that may be grounding out the mod, like on amd xp chips?
this is awsome, time to sell my 9800 and save up. i just read the whole oc_uk thread.. this kicks ass =]
Done :D
OPP
Great job OPP, can hardly wait to try it when I get one:toast:
Yes!Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Done :D
OPP
Was it fairly easy? What EXACTLY did you have to do to the bridges?
:banana: :banana: :banana:
Did these guys come up with it?
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...0&pagenumber=5
OPPAINTER good job. Can't wait to see your 3DMark scores.
Opp, so what exactly do you do and use??
cut into the core, till you see alittle copper and connect it with conductive ink, then flash to the X800 XT Bios?
Yes, please tell:) :) :)
As soon as i know exactly how its done im gonna do it. Been waiting almost 2 weeks for this:toast:
This link from iceman2g tells you how to do it.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...0&pagenumber=5
EDIT: Seems like Chris_UK, Phemo and some random Korean guy did it successfully first.
damn great work thre...
well, so far it looks like all x800 series have 16 fully functional pipelines. so no "broken" cores. that's good news for us and bad news for ATI.
as i recall they said somewhere they "were aware of pipes-unlocking and this time took certain steps to avoid what happened in past"... i guess it didn't work :-)
congrats...
I lost it for some reason. I'm back to 12:D
OPP
You "lost" it OPP?? Did you scrape off the pins so they were shiny copper before you closed them?
I was really waiting for you to confirm this before I tried it.... :) :) :)
:confused: :mad: come on OPP, u don't just loose 4 pipes :DQuote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I lost it for some reason. I'm back to 12:D
OPP
I did the mod. I still show 12 pipes. Do I need the XT BIOS in order to get 16 pipes?
You shouldn't ned the flash... I have seen screenshots where the card was still recognized as a pro but had 16 pipes.Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
I did the mod. I still show 12 pipes. Do I need the XT BIOS in order to get 16 pipes?
Lol this is amazing. Great job you xtreme SOBs. Im just going to get the X800XT and save the trouble ;)
NOOOO!!! How can you just lose 4 pipes... there are like huge long circular thingies!!!! Did someone come over your place with spanners and bolt removal tools???
You guys are something special. Oppainter, Hope you can find those 4 parallel pipelines back! LOL
conductive material probably never had time to dry ;)
storm - did you scrape the top of the contact points first to make sure you had a good contact?
good job my man
Obviously not good enough. Will try again in the morning. I'm pretty sure this is going to work. It's just very difficult because the whole thing is so damn small.:mad:Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
conductive material probably never had time to dry ;)
storm - did you scrape the top of the contact points first to make sure you had a good contact?
what can you use as a conductive material??
OPP and I use this conductive ink that comes in a pen type of dispenser. It works well most of the time but it's kinda thick and dries very fast. We'll get it though I think. We just have to clean the pads really well and after the inking we need to allow sufficient dry times.Quote:
Originally posted by Kunaak
what can you use as a conductive material??
Cheers!:toast:
Darn... Now im thinkin about gettin a pro :D Hehe...
Im gonna follow this thread very closely :D
Why dont u just smolder a copper wire so that there is 200% contact...
But... Where is it exactly??? Its just righ of the vore isnt it???
Man from the looks of it I would think it would next to impossbile to line up a really small wire on those tiny contact points. I am sure some one with uber 1337 skillz will do it soon though?
whats that red line between the 2 dots???
I think i could smolder a copper wire in there... Thin handy fingers are always great :P
Offtopic: Metallica are you gonna se Metallica on their europe tour?? I saw them 2 days ago in denmark(Home of Lars Ulrik the drummer) Darn that was great!!!
Edit: Any1 know for sure if X800pro/xt cores are under or over the shim??? I hate removing that thing... Cut my last card with the hobby knife...
Is it true you can use dental flos???
I think you have to use the conductive ink to connect those two dots???sp?
that red line connecting the 2 dots is where you are supposed to connect...Quote:
Originally posted by Mini
whats that red line between the 2 dots???
I think i could smolder a copper wire in there... Thin handy fingers are always great :P
Offtopic: Metallica are you gonna se Metallica on their europe tour?? I saw them 2 days ago in denmark(Home of Lars Ulrik the drummer) Darn that was great!!!
Edit: Any1 know for sure if X800pro/xt cores are under or over the shim??? I hate removing that thing... Cut my last card with the hobby knife...
Is it true you can use dental flos???
as for metallica.... i saw them back in march when they were in Los Angeles!
So the red light is something they drew up in paint or whatever??? Hehe... Was just thinkin that must look wierd if its actually onthe card... :o
back to the XP unlocking days...it was so easy to unlock these cpu them days...did quite a few with success with the first try....
still got some conductive paint...i am going for the XT though....
does the Xt have a faster memory than the PRO or are they the same?
Dafault XT should have 550Mhz for the ram while the PRO only has 450Mhz
2 NS on the pro, 1.6 NS on the XT
kunaak u get urs all painted up yet?
I tried twice.
it didn't work for me.
I need to get some real conductive ink pens or something.
all I have is a old kit I bought for Xps and its been sitting in a box for about a year now unused.
I guess its no good anymore.
you first have to go to real dos and flash it to the xt bios, THEN do the connecting
I know.
"I went over and over it until the middle where the tiny dip is you could actually see the copper there as well so it was like 3 dots all in the line, a new one in the middle...." - Chis_UK
Kunaak have you tried a pencil?
I just use rear window defogger kit for everything. Its like a paint and while it would be hard to get real fine... you dont need to. You do the best you can and scrape the rest away. I've gotten 4 or 5 uses so far for my little $7 jar... always handy. My ol' palomino is still unlocked and remember this is five bridges so buried under a heatsink (or other ;) ) you needn't worry of it coming off.
Well the fact that I tried twice with no success and OPP has yet to post back saying that the 4 pipes came back leads me to believe that somebody is keeping secrets, or this whole thing is BS.
Guess I'll just keep digging until the truth is found!
I am dying to try this but i cannot find a conductive pen or a rear window defogging kit anywhere locally. Is there any other method that might work? say possible a small drop of solder???
Would they sell a conductive pen at Autozone? I'm most definitly sure they will sell the rear window defogging kit there.
There are conductive paints, but the ink is faster drying. The paint may be better if it is thinner because we are working in a very small area here.
OPP,
Did you see the quote from lilgator of Chris_Uk (another guy who claims success) that said you need to scrape the copper in the middle and connect all three pads. This is inconsistant with what I have read from him directly and the other guys who have supposedly been successful performing this mod.
Any possibility that this is what caused the mod to not work for us or did you only connect the two pads when you had your card at 16 pipes temporarily?
I went to autozone and advanced auto.... neither had the kit. and radioshack doesnt have the pen. Im thinking maybe a small drop of solder.....If i cant find something this weekend i will try it. Unless someone tells me its a bad idea.Quote:
Originally posted by NeGe0
Would they sell a conductive pen at Autozone? I'm most definitly sure they will sell the rear window defogging kit there.
You obviously have not seen your GPU without the HSF on it except in these blown up photos. Soldering is out of the question! Ink or paint is the only way.Quote:
Originally posted by piercedandtatto
I went to autozone and advanced auto.... neither had the kit. and radioshack doesnt have the pen. Im thinking maybe a small drop of solder.....If i cant find something this weekend i will try it. Unless someone tells me its a bad idea.
It's probably like the 9500/9800SE where some have all pipes A OK and can be modded and some have defects that cannot be overcome.
I wonder what the percentage pass/fail is ?
Regards
Andy
You might be right. One interesting thing to note is the fact that 1 guy from Korea and 2 guys from UK are the only successes so far. I know of 11 people who have attempted the mod in the US and all have failed. Perhaps they sent us the duds!:(Quote:
Originally posted by zakelwe
It's probably like the 9500/9800SE where some have all pipes A OK and can be modded and some have defects that cannot be overcome.
I wonder what the percentage pass/fail is ?
Regards
Andy
wow, that would suck
Interesting, all the successes were Sapphire, and all the failures I know about are ATI retail box. You don't suppose????
Any Yanks out there with a Sapphire?
Hmm.... You know he is on to some thing here. I wouldnt doubt that Saphire is "allowing their card to be moddable"
Or, just that ATI is being more stringent about the cores. Saving the good ones for the XT release. The other vendors may have been using good cores just to get the pro version to market, which is why I asked about card maker and date bought. Some of the early ATI's may also mod.
it has nothing to do with the cores, it has to do with wether the pipes are there on the PCB, its possible the ATi cards only have 12 pipes, or have 4 physically disabled (as in cut)Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
Or, just that ATI is being more stringent about the cores. Saving the good ones for the XT release. The other vendors may have been using good cores just to get the pro version to market, which is why I asked about card maker and date bought. Some of the early ATI's may also mod.
They are on the chip, this doesnt have anything to do with the PCB.
Either this works for all cards or this is BS.
Since Opp had them working at one point, I am inclined to believe this is not BS, just extremely hard to do.
As to soldering.. I soldered a duron 800 for fun ;)
a pencil to do the 16 pipeline mod??Quote:
Originally posted by andyddr
Kunaak have you tried a pencil?
no never thought of that.
I will try it later tonight.
on a side note, anyone wanting a conductive ink pen, www.aquastealth.com has them for $17, not cheap, but they have them.
These things are not exactly Durons.Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
They are on the chip, this doesnt have anything to do with the PCB.
Either this works for all cards or this is BS.
Since Opp had them working at one point, I am inclined to believe this is not BS, just extremely hard to do.
As to soldering.. I soldered a duron 800 for fun ;)
OPP never had it working. A couple of times when he booted with no driver loaded ATI tool recognized 16 pipes. Both times upon loading the drivers it went back to 12. Not quite working.
You are correct that it is very difficult, but I believe Fugger and ATi when they say not all of the cores will be able to be modded. Also, do you know what the chances are of having 11 out of 11 faliures of the same make card and 3 out of 3 successes of another at random? Astronomical.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but this just isn't happening. Is it worth losing your warranty (100% certainty there) for the minute possibility of being able to save 100 bucks? I say not.:)
Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Is it worth losing your warranty (100% certainty there) for the minute possibility of being able to save 100 bucks? I say not.:)
amen...........
if that is the case,it is certainly a very smart marketing strategy....Quote:
Originally posted by morbidj
Hmm.... You know he is on to some thing here. I wouldnt doubt that Saphire is "allowing their card to be moddable"
I don't think many people here at XS care about warranties :D It's not about saving $100 either. For me, it's just the excitement and fun of doing such a "mod" and being able to get my hardware to perform beyod the manufacturers specifications......Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Is it worth losing your warranty (100% certainty there) for the minute possibility of being able to save 100 bucks? I say not.:) [/B]
I have an ATI x800Pro and will be trying this mod myself early next week. I have gotten my core and memory to 564/594 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2570986)so I don't think frequencies will be an issue. This was on stock cooling too with no vmods. I'll just have to see if I can get the card to act like an XT now.... :D :D :D
You know, I don't think I've ever used a warranty. Ever. :rolleyes: LOL
I give up on this mod, no luck:D
I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.
OPP
Warranty? What is that?
Damn OPP, oh well. Seems like everyone with a BBA card is SOL on this 1. Maybe someone will figure out why the BBA are being stubborn, after all, aren't the BBA cards made on the same assembly line as the Sapphire's???Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I give up on this mod, no luck:D
I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.
OPP