Some 6800U benches are starting to come out of Asia.
http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/153
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Some 6800U benches are starting to come out of Asia.
http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/153
http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/6800up/15377_2.gif
http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/6800up/aqua.gif
Thanks link Sierra
AM3 82K overclocked....
almost 16K in 3DM03....
don't think we'll get to
20K anytime soon...
but hey prove me wrong!
those on stock cooling? or something else?
I think it´s stock cooling since they´re only 40mhz above stock settings.
I doubt it is stock cooling. But the web page does not say. This is what the folks at VR-Zone got with air cooling. 465/1180. I believe Shamino now has this card. :)
http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Inno3...3-465-1180.PNG
Oh you are right. I thought it was 500@ stock but it´s 400@ stock. :o
Whats with the 3DMark03 window...it has 2 different scores?
Lousy ram....
Very nice Card!!!
But whats with the 03 score?
a fake?
I think he ran benches back-to-back and forgot to remove one of the windows when he posted his higher score. If you click on the link above, you'll see he also had a lower score of 14,850. Unfortunately, I can't access the scores at the moment because the site's bandwidth limit has been exceeded. But I think this is a legitimate site and I believe the scores are also legit.Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Whats with the 3DMark03 window...it has 2 different scores?
Which is better then? A 6800 U or X800 XT?
Look at the score and the clocks...I don't think an X800XT at 540/625 would match that...Quote:
Originally posted by Bennah
Which is better then? A 6800 U or X800 XT?
omg , those are some amazing scores man. especially at only 540mhz core clock!!
What are the stock speeds of the X800 XT?Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Look at the score and the clocks...I don't think an X800XT at 540/625 would match that...
Something around 475/550?
I believe the stock speeds for the X800XT are 520/560
Yes, sierra is correct ... this 6800 is a 35% overclock ...
a X800XT = 520 stock, 35% overclock = 702MHz
And yes, a X800XT @ 702MHz can and will produce that score, probably a lot higher...
the x800xt is gonna be better for the casual user and the xtreme overclocker. The 6800u cannot be run on stock cooling at 450mhz w/o it overheating. This means your gonna need aftermarket cooling, which means by by warrenty. The x800xt will outsell the 6800
You'll need this to hit 700+ however on an X800XT :)
http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/...0,49565,00.jpg
Yea, they seem pretty good. Im stuck between the X800 XT and 6800 U, ive seen various results that favour each card :(
Don't worry, you have plenty of time to decide :D
Neither are available...
They are to me :D Can get hold of a X800 XT and 6800 U next week, so I need to know which one to buy ;)
that looks sexyQuote:
Originally posted by LilGator
You'll need this to hit 700+ however on an X800XT :)
http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/...0,49565,00.jpg
blinky
Good point. But you might get sexier scores with a NV40. We have to wait just a while for Shamino to crank up his card and cascade it..
Theres a fellow on ocforums.com who has his paws on a 6800GT. I think its stock cooling, and hes scoring in the 13000 range.
BTW...kickass forums :D
AC
heres the thread:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=298357
i don't agree, i don't think the x800 can match the NV40 clock for clock. Just take a look at the scores with NV40 @ only 540. if NV40 goes to 600mhz, i think it can take down the R420 quite easily.Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
Yes, sierra is correct ... this 6800 is a 35% overclock ...
a X800XT = 520 stock, 35% overclock = 702MHz
And yes, a X800XT @ 702MHz can and will produce that score, probably a lot higher...
from 400 stock, the NV40 gets 140mhz increase to (540) on japanese o/cer, the x800xt gets 260mhz increase from 520 stock(780) on Macci's rig. how did u get the 35% figure? i see that the x800 needed 50% overclock to match the NV40. well at least on Macci's rig.
Look at what I said:
NV40 Stock = 400MHz
Overclocked = 540Mhz
Difference = 35%
R420 Stock = 520MHz
Overclocked = 702MHz
Difference = 35%
I'm saying a X800XT @ 702MHz, vs a 6800U @ 540MHz is an equal (35%) overclock. And at 702MHz the Radeon is faster.
Macci's overclock was a 50% overclock ... and a 6800U at 600MHz may or may not pull 16.7K but we haven't see one that high yet have we :) Actually I think the 6800U in Macci's hands might pull 16-17K, but who knows...
Now quit eggin this on, i'm startin to sound like GeForceTi4200... :p:
No one ever said that an X800XT at 700mhz couldn't produce that score...the moral of the story here is that the 6800U can do it at MUCH lower clocks.Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
Yes, sierra is correct ... this 6800 is a 35% overclock ...
a X800XT = 520 stock, 35% overclock = 702MHz
And yes, a X800XT @ 702MHz can and will produce that score, probably a lot higher...
I'm sure this has been said before. Its totally irrelivant to compare these two cards on a clock for clock basis. It would be like trying to compare Intel vs Amd that way. The only thing that matters is what oc you can expect with different cooling +- mods and what they score at those settings.
Wow graphic cards these days crazy. lol nice:)
And an A64 can do it at much lower clocks too ....Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
No one ever said that an X800XT at 700mhz couldn't produce that score...the moral of the story here is that the 6800U can do it at MUCH lower clocks.
.... yeah, so ?
What's the story here ? You reading a different book than I am ? I'm completely lost now... :confused:
This is getting no where. Its really hard talking to fanboys.Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
And an A64 can do it at much lower clocks too ....
.... yeah, so ?
What's the story here ? You reading a different book than I am ? I'm completely lost now... :confused:
I am not trying to downplay ATI, or make Nvidia sound like the king of all that is graphically holy, I was simply replying to the discussion about the clocks.
We need to see how high they will go. If there is more headroom we could be seeing some really nice scores. If not, then ATI keeps the lead...
if we live in a perfect world , i would agree. but since , so many people always raise the AMD higher IPC issue whenever comparing with Intel. I thought i might as well do the same here. NV40 is faster clock for clock.Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
I'm sure this has been said before. Its totally irrelivant to compare these two cards on a clock for clock basis. It would be like trying to compare Intel vs Amd that way. The only thing that matters is what oc you can expect with different cooling +- mods and what they score at those settings.
Also it seemed like the 6800 won out in 3DMark benchies but in most/all games the X800XT won out...
Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ? You think nVidia wanted to have 400MHz stock clocks when they knew ATi was rolling out 520MHz ? They are completely different cores, just like an A64 FX and P4EE are different cores ... percentage wise they both have the same headroom ... just because the AMD has lower stock clocks doesn't mean it has headroom to scale up to 4GHz with Intel.Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
This is getting no where. Its really hard talking to fanboys.
I am not trying to downplay ATI, or make Nvidia sound like the king of all that is graphically holy, I was simply replying to the discussion about the clocks.
We need to see how high they will go. If there is more headroom we could be seeing some really nice scores. If not, then ATI keeps the lead...
That being said, we have seen very few actual products ... who knows the card Macci has might be a magic lucky core, and the 6800U might have been the dirtiest clocker of the whole batch. We have to wait to find out :)
Truce ?
Because our 3DMark benches aren't run with maxed out AF...Quote:
Originally posted by Arkangyl
Also it seemed like the 6800 won out in 3DMark benchies but in most/all games the X800XT won out...
Where did I assume they had more headroom? Maybe you mis-read my post...Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ?
i dont want to go in this argue just wanted to say which gives more performance at stock speeds is the winner most of the world dont oc or say only %5 oc
That was nearly good enough for 800mhz, actually.Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
You'll need this to hit 700+ however on an X800XT :)
http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/...0,49565,00.jpg
Oppainter is over 700 with phasechange.
Hmm... Yes...Thats the whole point... I think that tests should be run in 1600x1200 w max AF and AA.... Otherwise you arent really testing the GPU limits... 1024x768... Thats GF4 style... I wouldnt ever play in that resolution again... Its freakin ugly... Hehe... So people should run at least 1280x1024...Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Because our 3DMark benches aren't run with maxed out AF...
But the 6800U got more in 3dmark03 than X800XT... Both on beta drivers... That doesnt even count... And as it was said before you cant compare clock to clock... Thats just lame... Mega noobie...
Then AMD would have no market period... Anyways X800XT has a better IQ ;o)
pwn.Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ? You think nVidia wanted to have 400MHz stock clocks when they knew ATi was rolling out 520MHz ? They are completely different cores, just like an A64 FX and P4EE are different cores ... percentage wise they both have the same headroom ... just because the AMD has lower stock clocks doesn't mean it has headroom to scale up to 4GHz with Intel.
That being said, we have seen very few actual products ... who knows the card Macci has might be a magic lucky core, and the 6800U might have been the dirtiest clocker of the whole batch. We have to wait to find out :)
Truce ?
I will also add--If Nvidia could have released a card that trounced ATI from the get-go they would have.
Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
I'm sure this has been said before. Its totally irrelivant to compare these two cards on a clock for clock basis. It would be like trying to compare Intel vs Amd that way. The only thing that matters is what oc you can expect with different cooling +- mods and what they score at those settings.
Yep soulburner has harped on the clocks in many a Radeon vrs. GF thread. I went on and on explaining how silly it was last time but might as well do one of these instead. :brick:Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ? You think nVidia wanted to have 400MHz stock clocks when they knew ATi was rolling out 520MHz ?
So have we got anywhere, lol?
I see that the 6800U may win in 3d mark 03 but the X800XT seems to do better in some games. This is a damn hard choice which one should I go for, I am all confussed, lol!
I'd go for the gaming card.
That would be a X800XT me thinks :D
What "harping" have I done? I really think you guys have a vendetta against me or something, this is really rediculous.Quote:
Originally posted by texuspete2k2
Yep soulburner has harped on the clocks in many a Radeon vrs. GF thread. I went on and on explaining how silly it was last time but might as well do one of these instead. :brick:
There was nothing wrong with any of posts in this "discussion".
Nothing wrong--you're entitled to your own opinion. we are just disagreeing with you.Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
What "harping" have I done? I really think you guys have a vendetta against me or something, this is really rediculous.
There was nothing wrong with any of posts in this "discussion".
And how does that make a difference lol ?Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
No one ever said that an X800XT at 700mhz couldn't produce that score...the moral of the story here is that the 6800U can do it at MUCH lower clocks.
imo the 6800u / intel will top the 03 bench
and the x800xt / amd will top the 01 bench
time will tell but the 2 cards are completely different and the clock speed difference between the 2 doesn't matter. now if they scale the same then useing a overclock % to performance % increase can be used.
Yea time will tell! I think im going for a X800 XT, might not be the best card but it should be above average :D
Nothing against you Soul. Its just this one thing we've disagreed on a few times. I agree with you that Nvidia's card looks stronger clock for clock. Just too much empahsis on it like in this Q&A.....
Quote:
Originally posted by Bennah
Which is better then? A 6800 U or X800 XT?
Hmm... the core, where most marks come from, is hardly even overclocked when talking of the XT in this scenario. Seems to me this was listed as a reason for it being better, not a statment of a more efficient core. I think others read it this way too. I dont believe the poster with the % OC was using GeForces patented ratio and multiply system but instead trying to be more fair to the Radeon card.Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Look at the score and the clocks...I don't think an X800XT at 540/625 would match that...
I do wonder how everyone has seemed to peg all .13 GPU's at max 600MHz on conventional cooling. That would seem to lend more headroom to NV but there are many other influences. I dont want to embarass myself playing armchair engineer. But the flipside is Ati has got there low-k and lower power consumption which would make one think Ati could scale MHz better. Since we're not engineers I just look at it like once again the higher IPC chips just dont scale on the MHz as much, which luckily they dont have too. Amd v/ Intel... end of the day fps is king.
If we weren't passionate about this stuff, we'd still be using our stock HSF's.
:toast:
Well like I stated its all going to depend on how high they will go. 222m transistors must create some heat so i'm not surprised their clocks are limited. The question is, how high will it go for the people here at Xtreme...
If they just don't clock well they X800XT may well keep its position.
IMO, that will make all the difference between these cards. the 6800u i believe will scale better than the x800xt. but will it overclock % wise like the x800xt :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Well like I stated its all going to depend on how high they will go. 222m transistors must create some heat so i'm not surprised their clocks are limited. The question is, how high will it go for the people here at Xtreme...
If they just don't clock well they X800XT may well keep its position.
I dont believe in benching outside of a case, so im really instrested in which card performs better on pelts and water. and one thing right off that makes me lean to the x800xt is my water block will work on these new ati cards. i can buy it and have a bench in under 10 mins :D
Another bonus is that the X800 XT isnt as hungry for volts as the 6800 Ultra but that might be a good thing ;)
How about the 6800 GT, how does that compare to the others?
like some said before i would like to see some 1600x1200 af and aa on. at stock speeds and some overclocks speeds. for both cards.
Actually HardOcp out of all the places did a wicked review 6800 vs x800. They Threw out 3dmurk out the window and used Games only. Gave a good impression of what we should expect. Yes X800xt totally spanked the 6800 ultra heck x800 pro spanked 6800 ultra in many games.
For games I definetly would choose X800XT.
For Benchies and wenis envy I would choose 6800 Ultra.
I play games not benchmarks so the answer is simple for me..
As for the counting of transistors thats complete bull Nvidia counts the transistors ATI just counts the Logic gates and estimates how many Transistors it could have, therefore they maybe completly wrong about the 160 Million x800 transistors.
The reviews I put the most faith in are from Anandtech (there are a few others but thats my main one). They really know what they are talking about and some of the stuff they get into while talking about video card technology is just amazing. Their benchmarks are very fair...now I never saw this "spanking" of the 6800...both cards in most reviews are pretty close to one another which is how it should be, with the Nvidia winning some and the ATI winning some.
As far as the transistors go - I don't think ATI is going to be too far off on knowing the transistor count of their own products. Also since the die of the NV40 is physically bigger its obvious which one has more transistors.
whoa...the 6800 has some really awsome results
The 6800 ultra has 33% larger die than a Gallatin P4 EE. It may run hotter, but it will definitely have the surface area advantage over the x800. Meaning better heat dissapation. I would throw out Unreal tournament 2004, i don't really see this as a modern real world DX 9 benchmark. Far Cry is the best game determining video card performance right now. currently all the review sites shows the x800 to be faster than 6800 ultra in Far Cry, but thats because the 6800 ultra is running Far Cry in NV3X mode and Not NV40 SM 3.0 mode. when new drivers released are optimized for NV40 architecture it will run much faster.
As nobody as yet put extreme cooling on a 6800U and volt modded it I think talk of a 600Mhz limit is premature.
Regards
Andy
Unreal is still hella fun though and is a decently new game. No reason to remove that. I have strong faith in nvidia this time.
kickass score there, but will still get the X800XT over this coz for gaming wise...
The beta drivers(61.XX) do run it in NV40 dont they?? Besides SM 3.0 shouldnt do much...Quote:
Originally posted by Kanavit
The 6800 ultra has 33% larger die than a Gallatin P4 EE. It may run hotter, but it will definitely have the surface area advantage over the x800. Meaning better heat dissapation. I would throw out Unreal tournament 2004, i don't really see this as a modern real world DX 9 benchmark. Far Cry is the best game determining video card performance right now. currently all the review sites shows the x800 to be faster than 6800 ultra in Far Cry, but thats because the 6800 ultra is running Far Cry in NV3X mode and Not NV40 SM 3.0 mode. when new drivers released are optimized for NV40 architecture it will run much faster.
But X800XT is faster in all the games xept openGL where both cards run with over 100 FPS:rolleyes:
And x800XT still gives a much better picture in far cry;o)
And Valve say that HL2 is now playable on 6800U but still it is FAR behind X800XT...
And the Unreal3 video from NV40 release... People say that it ran MUCH faster on X800XT at E3 ;o)
I get the feeling you are still sitting on the fence ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Mini
The beta drivers(61.XX) do run it in NV40 dont they?? Besides SM 3.0 shouldnt do much...
But X800XT is faster in all the games xept openGL where both cards run with over 100 FPS:rolleyes:
And x800XT still gives a much better picture in far cry;o)
And Valve say that HL2 is now playable on 6800U but still it is FAR behind X800XT...
And the Unreal3 video from NV40 release... People say that it ran MUCH faster on X800XT at E3 ;o)
Saying the X800XT is faster in all games except OpenGL is a bit of an incorrect generalisation, especially as no retail cards with retail drivers are out yet on the nvidia side.
Regards
Andy
Valve says HL2 will be "playable" on a 6800U..... thats funny. Valve wishes the game will have as much technical wow factor that it would have had if it actually game out soon or last year. There beta benches on a 9800XT were handily 'playable." Took forever for games to catch up to the 9700 I don't think we need to worry about playable for a bit ;)
Why do people even post that pic? They enabled Nvidias crappy 8x AA mode which cripples the card. The ATI is only running at 6x :rolleyes:.
NO ONE is going to be using 8x.
The ATI minimum FPS was 14. I hardly deem that playable either.
I don't know why Nvidia even bothered with the 8x feature if you can't even use it. If you ask me they should just remove it from the driver unless they can find another technique that yields better results. Its only making them look bad by not having a 6x mode.
also, not to mention ATI's optimization rumors when x800 running 8x AF , the x800 uses bilinear filtering , not like NV40 running Trilinear filtering with 8x af enabled, giving performance to ATI. bilinear offers considerably less image quality than trilinear filtering, but no one fails to meantion that.
no one fail to mention it becoz no one could tell the difference...
yea, well .. at least we know why now x800 is faster with AF.Quote:
Originally posted by Djuice
no one fail to mention it becoz no one could tell the difference...
I'm sure you can use it with older games just fine..Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
I don't know why Nvidia even bothered with the 8x feature if you can't even use it.
Yeah possibly, those games that run at 300+fps may run at around 50 or so.....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by DeathMonk
I'm sure you can use it with older games just fine..
Now that Nvidia is using the same method as ATI, why don't they have a good 6x mode out?
Guys, when do you think Futuremark will "approve" of the drivers for the 6800 U so that scores can be published??
Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
Guys, when do you think Futuremark will "approve" of the drivers for the 6800 U so that scores can be published??
Good point, they must be stacking up, maybe worm just needs a dig.
Let me give him a dig.
Regards
Andy
The last time i checked, 60.72 are approved drivers for 6800 series only at Futuremark approved drivers list.
CompUSA now has the 6800U (PNY version) on its website. In-store pick-up only. Link
Dryice cooled 6800U doing a bit over 15k in 3dmark03:
LINK
(by coolaler)
Score: 15377
card: 540/1250
CPU: 4GHz Prescott
Well he is 50fps down on GT1 using the Prescott .. what's the score per fps in Gt1 ?Quote:
Originally posted by macci
Dryice cooled 6800U doing a bit over 15k in 3dmark03:
LINK
(by coolaler)
Score: 15377
card: 540/1250
CPU: 4GHz Prescott
Does this look promising macci when using dual cascade rather than dry ice ?
I'd like to know what psu he was using with that card. Nvidia say a good 12v rail is needed so I am interested in how the cards overclock with say 11.8v and average amp v 12.2-12.5v with good amps.
Regards
Andy
Another one from the same guy :)
590/1250
CPU: 4700MHz
LN2 cooled
16383
another screenshot
Getting a little close. wow, look at the cpu clocks. why is people using prescott , when the P4 EE is faster? as i expected , 600mhz on NV40 should do the trick. nice find.Quote:
Originally posted by macci
Another one from the same guy :)
590/1250
CPU: 4700MHz
LN2 cooled
16383
another screenshot
Also its running at default GPU voltage :D
P4EE instead of that Prescott would boost GT1 above 400 for sure and give a nice 250-350 marks boost..
hehe, I am looking foward to see NV40 perform under your guidance, Macci. but in secret, don't want to piss ati off.Quote:
Originally posted by macci
Also its running at default GPU voltage :D
P4EE instead of that Prescott would boost GT1 above 400 for sure and give a nice 250-350 marks boost..
The 6800 U is a real troublesome card to bench with, first the mounting holes are different from the FXes so I had to rip out the insulation on the evap to switch a holddown, and now after insulation, I found the damn holes too damn small for my screws!! :mad:
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800.JPG
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/68002.JPG
Maybe I'll use zip ties for the time being....
Ouch!! :D
I smell 17k++ coming =)
looks like you vmodded it too. Have you done any test runs yet? Aircooled etc?
Lardarse, very nice setup there! when did you get the 6800 ultra? Can't wait to see some benchies!
Only tested out the vmod on air cool, Volterra wouldn't let me in on the datasheets so I had to play sherlock for a bit. Default is ~ 1.43v in windows/3D, first run will be on 1.69v, if I can find a way to hold down soon enough....
Sweet, the fight is on, why cant you publish the scores
they didnt add the 6800 series yet :(
that was a week back. i smell a nice fight coming up between macci, lard and opp. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Kanavit
Lardarse, very nice setup there! when did you get the 6800 ultra? Can't wait to see some benchies!
I think it's because futuremark said that they won't allow any score to be published until the card is officially in retail. I don't see anywhere in america where you can get that card.Quote:
Originally posted by althes
Sweet, the fight is on, why cant you publish the scores
I looked on the compusa site but you can't find any stores that have it in stock. So even if they say it's available for store pick-up...you can't find a store to pick it up in.
Well that sux, great going la
Man that's nice!
X800XT modded, LN2 gives 16.7K
6800U stock voltage, DI gives 16.3K
What about another Team Finland party? :D
mathias - 16.3 was LN2.
On the CPU and the GPU both?Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
mathias - 16.3 was LN2.
well not quiteQuote:
X800XT modded, LN2 gives 16.7K
6800U stock voltage, DI gives 16.3K
X800XT (717/636) + prescott@4.1g + Dryice + gpumod = 15738
6800u (540/625) + prescott @4g + dryice = 15377
x800xt (760/651) + p4ee 4.4g + ln2 + gpu mod (no current limit mod) = 16774
6800u (590/625) + prescott 4.7g + ln2 = 16383
So we would be seeing 17k soon...
too bad the mounting holes were changed from the fx series
I dunno when I can get the screws for the job but heck it, zip ties and F-clamps for now.
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800clampy2.JPG
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800clampy1.JPG
LOL, its a monster :slobber: good luck.
YEa thats one evil looking config! :D
Up and running yet?
that looks absolutely sick! hope it runs better than it looks.